Dawgs v Cyclones MBK game thread

[EdwardDrayton]

Iowa State favored by 5.5 on a neutral court. Let's show 'em what we got.

How in the heck did this game get booked in South Dakota??!!??

[EdwardDrayton]

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[msstate7]

Epps out? Why?

[EdwardDrayton]

Epps out? Why?

Yeah. Was just trying to figure that out too.

[msstate7]

Shooting foul?

[msstate7]

Ref wasn't even looking. Let ISU coach make the call

[EdwardDrayton]

Interesting matchup. ISU with F/F/F/G/G lineup versus us with C/F/G/G/G.

[msstate7]

#11 is absolutely horrid on offense. He can rebound, but he's terrible at everything else. Don't pass to him

[EdwardDrayton]

Jans has used nine players already in the first eight minutes and we have the lead. This team has good size all around.

[msstate7]

#11 is absolutely horrid on offense. He can rebound, but he's terrible at everything else. Don't pass to him

^^^

[EdwardDrayton]

Coach all up in Macura's a$$ for some reason. I missed whatever it was.

[DawgFromOxford]

#11 is absolutely horrid on offense. He can rebound, but he's terrible at everything else. Don't pass to him

He has brick hands. Athletic but can?t control the ball

[msstate7]

Coach all up in Macura's a$$ for some reason. I missed whatever it was.

Let's see... 2 TOs and blowing a lay up/dunk

[msstate7]

We gonna leave 11 out there till it's over. Dude sucks

[EdwardDrayton]

ISU ten points off our nine turnovers.

[BigDawg81]

Macura is not good

[DawgFromOxford]

Let's see... 2 TOs and blowing a lay up/dunk

And then a travel

[EdwardDrayton]

Let's see... 2 TOs and blowing a lay up/dunk

Thanks 7. Had to step out and tend to my dinner cooking.

[msstate7]

Macura is not good

Certainly not yet. I think he can be, but damn, he's a disaster on offense

[BigDawg81]

Is Epps this years Clary?

[DawgFromOxford]

ISU with 6 fouls with 7:50 to go. Bets on how long it takes to get to the bonus?

[DawgFromOxford]

ISU with 6 fouls with 7:50 to go. Bets on how long it takes to get to the bonus?

Surprisingly 7th foul at 6:14. Hubbard to the line

[msstate7]

Hubbard got the driving gear drop and hasn't drove again. Just settling for deeper than nba 3s. Damn

[msstate7]

We might get run out the building tonight

[EdwardDrayton]

Thirteen points off our thirteen turnovers. They make you pay.

[msstate7]

#11 gets drove right by for the kick out to open 3

[msstate7]

ISU 86
State 61

This will be the final or close to it

[Thick]

About to get run out of the gym. Defense has been crap, and offense is terrible as usual

[msstate7]

Good kick out, grace

[Thick]

26 points in the paint for ISU!

[DawgFromOxford]

Surprisingly 7th foul at 6:14. Hubbard to the line

And then don?t draw foul 8 until 5 minutes tick off. Make it make sense

[msstate7]

#11 has no business on this court. He's the weakest link by far

[EdwardDrayton]

Holy 17. We got prison bitched in that half.

[msstate7]

Jans, start scouting for next season. You put together an absolute abomination led by #11, who you apparently are willing to let piss away any chance we have

[DawgFromOxford]

17 this

[BeardoMSU]

Grand opening, grand closin'

[HoopsDawg]

We might be horrible

[DawgFromOxford]

No focus on offense. Lazy passes and plays. Won?t box out on defense. Letting players run into the paint freely.

Would hate to be in that locker room right now

[msstate7]

They have another tune up game before Kansas st. I wanna see that game before I give up on em, but this is terrible when coupled with how we played Wednesday night

[Thick]

Horse shit basketball! Lazy passes, no rebounding, no offense, and getting blown out by an ok team. Nothing special about IS, we?re giving them easy baskets, bc tonight we are softer then granny?s titts! Still terrible half court offense under Jans.

[DawgFromOxford]

Grand opening, grand closin'

At least the season expectations are already set for the season in game 2. It?s going to be last year all over again

[msstate7]

Horse shit basketball! Lazy passes, no rebounding, no offense, and getting blown out by an ok team. Nothing special about IS, we?re giving them easy baskets, bc tonight we are softer then granny?s titts! Still terrible half court offense under Jans.

I'm more worried about the defense. They're blitzing our D

[msstate7]

At least the season expectations are already set for the season in game 2. It?s going to be last year all over again

After watching that half, I would take a tattoo of your choice for the same results. This looks like missing the NIT level ball

[EdwardDrayton]

Just to compare/contrast, Bama had 54 points with their three guard lineup against #5 St Johns Saturday. Our three guards produced 19 points in the first half.

[tcdog70]

Where is Walker and Epps?

[BigDawg81]

Did Jans miss some evaluations? I hope this is just a bad game

[NCMSTFAN]

Did Jans miss some evaluations? I hope this is just a bad game
We didnt look great against N. Alabama the other night either, I dont think its just a bad game

[msstate7]

Did Jans miss some evaluations? I hope this is just a bad game

Too early to tell, but I'm not confident we'll be ok

[msstate7]

-18 at half. Let's just win this second half

[HoopsDawg]

Too early to tell, but I'm not confident we'll be ok

I don?t think it?s too early to tell

[EdwardDrayton]

Sixteen turnovers. Sheesh.

[msstate7]

I don?t think it?s too early to tell

Yeah, it is. He's playing 11 a ton so Jans obviously thinks he has some potential. Lots of new faces still coming together. Epps is out tonight. And last of all, this IsU team looks pretty good

[Thick]

Over half of IS points are in the paint. This team is going to take a lot of ass whippings this year. Baseball cannot get here fast enough!!!

[JimBobDawg]

At least the season expectations are already set for the season in game 2. It?s going to be last year all over again
It looks much worse than last year.

[msstate7]

They hit us with a moving screen like 3/5 possessions

[DawgFromOxford]

After watching that half, I would take a tattoo of your choice for the same results. This looks like missing the NIT level ball

I?m not willing to throw in the towel on the season in game 2 against #16. But seems to be a pretty consistent theme with Jans teams of playing from behind in the 2nd half and being on the bubble of making the tournament.

[msstate7]

Pretty athletic play there, achor

[Thick]

Yeah, it is. He's playing 11 a ton so Jans obviously thinks he has some potential. Lots of new faces still coming together. Epps is out tonight. And last of all, this IsU team looks pretty good

They look good because we have not blocked out, we throw it right to them and they have over 30 plus pints in the paint bc our defense sucks!!

[msstate7]

They look good because we have not blocked out, we throw it right to them and they have over 30 plus pints in the paint bc our defense sucks!!

And they're long as hell, shoot well, drive well. They're #16 for a reason. We're unranked with good reason, too

[EdwardDrayton]

No doubt this is concerning. We have upperclassmen, against a top 20 team and we're not even competitive thus far.

[EdwardDrayton]

And they're long as hell, shoot well, drive well. They're #16 for a reason. We're unranked with good reason, too

We're not small though.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah, it is. He's playing 11 a ton so Jans obviously thinks he has some potential. Lots of new faces still coming together. Epps is out tonight. And last of all, this IsU team looks pretty good

Im able to evaluate the players beyond just looking at the results. But if Epps comes back that?s a degree of hope.

[BeardoMSU]

Hot take...I obviously like 12, but our offense the way its constructed isn't very good unless he's dropping 40 every night. I kinda hoped he moved on after last season so we could get more balanced and force Jans to develop some semblance of something else...

[msstate7]

No doubt this is concerning. We have upperclassmen, against a top 20 team and we're not even competitive thus far.

While true, they returned 3/5 starters and a starter from Virginia.

[msstate7]

Im able to evaluate the players beyond just looking at the results. But if Epps comes back that?s a degree of hope.

You said 11 was good/great the other night, and he was absolutely horrible tonight. The sample is too small

[EdwardDrayton]

While true, they returned 3/5 starters and a starter from Virginia.

Understand, but eighteen turnovers as a team and 29 points out of a three guard lineup.

[HoopsDawg]

Hot take...I obviously like 12, but our offense the way its constructed isn't very good unless he's dropping 40 every night. I kinda hoped he moved on after last season so we could get more balanced and force Jans to develop some semblance of something else...

Thats not a hot take, just a horrible take.

[msstate7]

Understand, but eighteen turnovers as a team and 29 points out of a three guard lineup.

No one is saying we're good. I'm worried. All I'm saying is it's way too early to say what we have 1 way or the other

[BeardoMSU]

Thats not a hot take, just a horrible take.

Ok, guru...

[HoopsDawg]

You said 11 was good/great the other night, and he was absolutely horrible tonight. The sample is too small

I said 11 had potential. I never said he was great.

[chef dixon]

The bottom line is we haven't had enough guard play with Jans. Ball handling, ball movement and shooting are the problems consistently with his teams

[HoopsDawg]

Ok, guru...

You just said you wished Hubbard had moved on. You dont have to be a guru to know that?s a stupid statement.

[BeardoMSU]

You just said you wished Hubbard had moved on. You dont have to be a guru to know that?s a stupid statement.

I said hes our only scoring option...and if hes not lights out we lose. And him being undersized and poor defensively compounds the issue. Obviously.

[msstate7]

The smu game at home is when I think we will know whether this team has a shot this season. That gives them 2 cupcakes and a decent team to gel against

[Thick]

It is early, BUT defense is all about getting after it, hustle, energy, staying in position defensively, and the desire to force your will on the opponent. Jans and staff has a lot a work to do on both ends of the court!

[EdwardDrayton]

No one is saying we're good. I'm worried. All I'm saying is it's way too early to say what we have 1 way or the other

Definitely too early to say what we have but obviously we didn't come to show what we have.

[msstate7]

Jones 5 TO
Hubbard 7 TO
Warren 4 TO

3 of our few returning players are killing us

[tcdog70]

15 is pretty disappointing.

[HoopsDawg]

The smu game at home is when I think we will know whether this team has a shot this season. That gives them 2 cupcakes and a decent team to gel against

I love the optimism. We are not good.

[msstate7]

Ali in the game

[EdwardDrayton]

I said hes our only scoring option...and if hes not lights out we lose. And him being undersized and poor defensively compounds the issue. Obviously.

Even if he's at 40 we're behind. Not even considering the defensive liability.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Unfortunately my concerns going into this season came true. I was not impressed with any of these portal players and we lost almost our entire team to the portal. Add to that Bartlett apparently not being in shape just really limits our options from a freshman level. Achor was a locker room problem at KSU. I think alot of people saw Hubbard back and assumed we would be a tourney team again, but this team seems like Hubbard, young freshman and players from mid major conferences not ready for power 5 play

[HoopsDawg]

Ali in the game

You?re not watching are you?

[msstate7]

They finally call the moving screen. I swear they've set a moving screen 20 times tonight

[msstate7]

You?re not watching are you?

Yes, why

[EdwardDrayton]

26 points off 24 turnovers. Game and match.

[HoopsDawg]

Jans somehow made us worse offensively AND defensively.

[msstate7]

You?re not watching are you?

The guru missed Ali, didn't he (you)?

[HoopsDawg]

I will say that Iowa State is really good.

[HoopsDawg]

The guru missed Ali, didn't he (you)?

No, I saw him. It just dawned on me that you usually listen on the radio but post like you are watching.

[msstate7]

No, I saw him. It just dawned on me that you usually listen on the radio but post like you are watching.

No, I'm watching. If I'm listening, I say radio said "this or that"

[EdwardDrayton]

I will say that Iowa State is really good.

They surely are a top 20 team. Us? We took a shank to the buttocks that is somewhat concerning.

[HoopsDawg]

They surely are a top 20 team. Us? We took a shank to the buttocks that is somewhat concerning.

Jans said he focused on defense in the portal and here we are giving up 93+

And these guys are making millions from rev share and nil

[EdwardDrayton]

Jans said he focused on defense in the portal and here we are giving up 93+

And these guys are making millions from rev share and nil

I'm definitely having a hard time finding the positives.

[msstate7]

Jans said he focused on defense in the portal and here we are giving up 93+

And these guys are making millions from rev share and nil

Hard to defend transition after TOs. Now they struggled in half court too, but the TOs are the story tonight. Let's see if they can clean that up by Kansas st

[HoopsDawg]

Hard to defend transition after TOs. Now they struggled in half court too, but the TOs are the story tonight. Let's see if they can clean that up by Kansas st

Talents not there buddy. We will win some games at home but we aren?t making the tournament.

[msstate7]

I'm definitely having a hard time finding the positives.

Liked achor tonight...
9 pts 8 reb

Don't feel like Hubbard will turn it over 7 times many games this season.

[DawgFromOxford]

Going to be a long season if this is the best we have

[msstate7]

Talents not there buddy. We will win some games at home but we aren?t making the tournament.

Maybe.

[msugolf]

We dont have a pg, dont have athletic wings that can shoot or create and dont have any quality bigs. Hubbard is not a pg or long enough to be a 2. Great talent but you have to surround him with good pieces. And Jans did not

[msstate7]

Going to be a long season if this is the best we have

Just like we weren't the team that beat Memphis by like 40 at memphis last year early, we aren't this bad either. I think we will be a bubble team by the end of the season. I have confidence in Jans

[msstate7]

We dont have a pg, dont have athletic wings that can shoot or create and dont have any quality bigs. Hubbard is not a pg or long enough to be a 2. Great talent but you have to surround him with good pieces. And Jans did not

Our pg, who may or may not be good, didn't play tonight.

[msstate7]

I do think the season is largely dependent on Epps.
He avg'd 9.5 at Illinois as a freshman. Put up 18 as a sophomore at Georgetown, but that dropped to 13 last year. We need him around 12 this season

[NCMSTFAN]

Our pg, who may or may not be good, didn't play tonight.

Yea and thats not a good sign, Jans seems to lose a player early every year. Im not saying Epps is gone but its odd that he didn't play

[msugolf]

I do think the season is largely dependent on Epps.
He avg'd 9.5 at Illinois as a freshman. Put up 18 as a sophomore at Georgetown, but that dropped to 13 last year. We need him around 12 this season

I would not put your hopes in Epps. He isnt that good. Have to look past just the stat lines

[NCMSTFAN]

Other than Hubbard we dont have a guy you can put the ball in his hands and tell him to go get a bucket. I was hoping Mcghee could be that for us

[Goldendawg]

My son and I got to go to the UNA game with our friend. I knew when Jones Jr. came out as a starter that this team was in trouble. He is an energy and maybe even a sixth or seventh guy off the bench. He is by no means a SEC starter. We basically have Hubbard who can't help his height and is a liability on defense, and no established players who came back. This is Hubbard and the portal. Maybe Jans can make it work. It's just the second game but 25 or so turnovers is really concerning. Does anyone know why Epps didn't play?

[DawgFromOxford]

Just like we weren't the team that beat Memphis by like 40 at memphis last year early, we aren't this bad either. I think we will be a bubble team by the end of the season. I have confidence in Jans

It?s season 4 for Jans and we?ve been a bubble team basically every year. I get it can be worse (I was a student during the Rick Ray years) but it?s frustrating to be in year 4 and feel like the needle isn?t continue to move forward.

Chris Jans = Dan Mullen. Brought us out of being a SEC bottom dweller but couldn?t move past middle of the pack.

[EdwardDrayton]

I do think the season is largely dependent on Epps.
He avg'd 9.5 at Illinois as a freshman. Put up 18 as a sophomore at Georgetown, but that dropped to 13 last year. We need him around 12 this season

Even if he plays and drops 15, we still lose by a lot. And maybe his point play helps with the turnovers but we still lose. Just have to scrub this one and hope this overall performance is a one off and we have a lot more to show. What's concerning is we saw some of the same issues from the past.

[EdwardDrayton]

Other than Hubbard we dont have a guy you can put the ball in his hands and tell him to go get a bucket. I was hoping Mcghee could be that for us

^^^^^

[msstate7]

Even if he plays and drops 15, we still lose by a lot. And maybe his point play helps with the turnovers but we still lose. Just have to scrub this one and hope this overall performance is a one off and we have a lot more to show. What's concerning is we saw some of the same issues from the past.

We aren't gonna be Iowa st good even if Epps turns out to be good. That's a good team. They'll be a 5-seed or better.

[msstate7]

It?s season 4 for Jans and we?ve been a bubble team basically every year. I get it can be worse (I was a student during the Rick Ray years) but it?s frustrating to be in year 4 and feel like the needle isn?t continue to move forward.

Chris Jans = Dan Mullen. Brought us out of being a SEC bottom dweller but couldn?t move past middle of the pack.

Jans has had us in the tourney every season here. I would absolutely love to be better than that, but it's probably not realistic in our conference.

[EdwardDrayton]

We aren't gonna be Iowa st good even if Epps turns out to be good. That's a good team. They'll be a 5-seed or better.

OK but don't think it's too much to want a five seed from Jans in Year 4 of his tenure.

[msstate7]

Yea and thats not a good sign, Jans seems to lose a player early every year. Im not saying Epps is gone but its odd that he didn't play

He only played 16 mins the other night despite starting. Him starting shows he isn't in the dog house. I think he's just banged up. Hopefully he's back Saturday

[msstate7]

OK but don't think it's too much to want a five seed from Jans in Year 4 of his tenure.

Of course I do. I just don't think we fund our program enough to be upper echelon of the sec.

[HoopsDawg]

He only played 16 mins the other night despite starting. Him starting shows he isn't in the dog house. I think he's just banged up. Hopefully he's back Saturday

Clary started too

[CaptainObvious]

People! People! Baseball starts in February.

If you haven?t figured out by now that is our only hope for a successful program in the SEC, I just don?t know what to tell you.
All you baseball haters need to get on board the train before it leaves the station!

Just to warn you though. Not only does State play in the toughest conference in football and basketball, our teams also play in the toughest conference in Baseball where ?IT JUST MEANS MORE!?

So when we start 2-7 in SEC games, don?t freak out. State will find a way to finish 14-16 and make a Regional!

Hell State!
Go Bulldogs!
Yea!!

[msugolf]

OK but don't think it's too much to want a five seed from Jans in Year 4 of his tenure.

Especially since we made a commitment to Jans in NIL that has put us in the top half of the conference

[msugolf]

Of course I do. I just don't think we fund our program enough to be upper echelon of the sec.

Totally wrong on that one. He has plenty of NIL money available

[msstate7]

My goals for our programs are the following...
Football 6-8 wins
MBK tourney team, but need a win in NCAA soon.
Baseball CWS

We only fund baseball at a level to really compete in the sec

[msstate7]

Clary started too
Fine, he's most likely suspended for the year and we gonna win like 10 games .

[HoopsDawg]

It?s season 4 for Jans and we?ve been a bubble team basically every year. I get it can be worse (I was a student during the Rick Ray years) but it?s frustrating to be in year 4 and feel like the needle isn?t continue to move forward.

Chris Jans = Dan Mullen. Brought us out of being a SEC bottom dweller but couldn?t move past middle of the pack.

We were due for a down year, it looks like we are about to have it. Just bc it?s year 4 doesn?t mean we are supposed to be better than year 3. The graph doesn?t always go up.

What concerns me is our portal evaluations. Jans made a concerted effort to sacrifice offense for defense. That is not the way.

Stop trying to find 10-11 good players and instead go get 6 really good to great players.

[EdwardDrayton]

Of course I do. I just don't think we fund our program enough to be upper echelon of the sec.

Investment is one criterion. Having a top coach is another. Jans is #8 in the SEC in terms of salary at $4.2 million and 18th in the country. That's a top 5 seed.

[msstate7]

Totally wrong on that one. He has plenty of NIL money available

What's the number we have? Florida, aTm, Texas, bama, auburn, Kentucky, ark are 8. You telling me we are top half? Really?

[msugolf]

What's the number we have? Florida, aTm, Texas, bama, auburn, Kentucky, ark are 8. You telling me we are top half? Really?

He was told whatever he needs he has it available if needed. His problem is getting guys interested in playing in his system

[msstate7]

He was told whatever he needs he has it available if needed. His problem is getting guys interested in playing in his system

I find it hard to believe in this environment that he can't get good guys with unlimited funds.

[msstate7]

Tonight was totally unacceptable though, and Jans needs to fix it before Kansas st

[msstate7]

Jans should have to answer for Ballard getting less mins than macura, Davis-Fleming, and grace. Ballard only had 1 foul

[msugolf]

I find it hard to believe in this environment that he can't get good guys with unlimited funds.

Well maybe that?s youre problem then. You create your own truth even when someone else tells you otherwise

Murphy didnt want to play for him anymore despite how much we offered. He told Kugel to look elsewhere but he was tired of getting railed on as well. Players today want to play in offensive system and score. And they want a system that can develop and showcase their ability scoring. They dont want to spend 70 percent of their practices working on defense

Btw kugel has scored 25 and 19 his first 2 games

[EdwardDrayton]

Jans should have to answer for Ballard getting less mins than macura, Davis-Fleming, and grace. Ballard only had 1 foul

That alone doesn't change the outcome but certainly is hard to understand.

[msstate7]

Well maybe that?s youre problem then. You create your own truth even when someone else tells you otherwise

Murphy didnt want to play for him anymore despite how much we offered. He told Kugel to look elsewhere but he was tired of getting railed on as well. Players today want to play in offensive system and score. And they want a system that can develop and showcase their ability scoring. They dont want to spend 70 percent of their practices working on defense

Btw kugel has scored 25 and 19 his first 2 games

You aren't saying anything though. I asked you a number, and you can't give it. You say we're top half, but you don't know our number, so how can you know that?

[msugolf]

You aren't saying anything though. I asked you a number, and you can't give it. You say we're top half, but you don't know our number, so how can you know that?

I dont have to tell you a number. I?m involved with the program. Don?t care about your affirmation

[msstate7]

To be top half, we'd have to at least be at 8 million. Ark, Tenn, Texas, Florida, auburn, Kentucky, and bama are all reported at that number with ark and UK at 10.

[HoopsDawg]

To be top half, we'd have to at least be at 8 million. Ark, Tenn, Texas, Florida, auburn, Kentucky, and bama are all reported at that number with ark and UK at 10.

We certainly have the money to put together a competitive roster.

[msstate7]

Well maybe that?s youre problem then. You create your own truth even when someone else tells you otherwise

Murphy didnt want to play for him anymore despite how much we offered. He told Kugel to look elsewhere but he was tired of getting railed on as well. Players today want to play in offensive system and score. And they want a system that can develop and showcase their ability scoring. They dont want to spend 70 percent of their practices working on defense

Btw kugel has scored 25 and 19 his first 2 games

Btw, state was 6th in the sec in scoring last season at 79.5 PPG.

[msstate7]

We certainly have the money to put together a competitive roster.

I agree with that. I'm not saying we don't have enough to compete. I'm saying we aren't top half of the sec in spending

[HoopsDawg]

Well maybe that?s youre problem then. You create your own truth even when someone else tells you otherwise

Murphy didnt want to play for him anymore despite how much we offered. He told Kugel to look elsewhere but he was tired of getting railed on as well. Players today want to play in offensive system and score. And they want a system that can develop and showcase their ability scoring. They dont want to spend 70 percent of their practices working on defense

Btw kugel has scored 25 and 19 his first 2 games

Hubbard, Murphy and Kugel would have been a fun team to watch.

[HoopsDawg]

Btw, state was 6th in the sec in scoring last season at 79.5 PPG.

And Jans hated it. He lamented that style of play which was and is very disheartening.

[msstate7]

And Jans hated it. He lamented that style of play which was and is very disheartening.

Sucks bc it's more fun. I don't think guys are turning down more money here bc of it though. Tenn doesn't score at all and they load up every season.

[cheewgumm]

I like Jan?s a lot but his way of thinking is off.

The strategy LAST year was the right strategy - get guys who can score
And make them play D.

At the end of the day you need to be able to score about 80 and we may not be capable.

I would play

Warren
Hubbard
McGhee
Walker
The bug guy

[parabrave]

I didn't watch the game but if you look at the % stats you would've thought we won. Then when you see they shot 70 FG and we shot 58 and 25-14 FTs well that about explains it there as well as 26 TOs. Then Hub only shooting 5 FTs is a problem also. He needs to shoot at least 10 in a game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Didn't watch much of the game after I saw that Epps didn't travel with the team, that's concerning moving forward to say the least. Early in the game I looked at the box score and we had, I think 10-11 TOs and it was still the 1st half. I knew then we probably weren't winning. From the play by play it looks like they hit us with multiple 7-0 runs in the last 6 minutes and we were never able to dig out of that hole. Just looking at the box score:

Hubbard was his usual self. I imagine the 7 TOs is partially due to no one else really stepping up and him having to do too much.

We need to get Ballard going. He wasn't good last night.

Delquan Warren probably needs to move down the depth chart. 4 TOs in 16 minutes while only taking 1 shot and having no assists is not what we need out of a backup PG.

SJJ needs to figure it out too. 5 TOs from your senior is not something that needs to be happening.

[99jc]

The problem is and will remain we need another good shooting guard and until that happens the results will be the same!

[Pancho]

Where is Epps?

[StarkVegasSteve]

The problem is and will remain we need another good shooting guard and until that happens the results will be the same!

You're unfortunately correct. We need Epps to get healthy or get over whatever is going on with him. We also need McGhee to show up and really need another player to show up as well.

[Goldendawg]

Didn't watch much of the game after I saw that Epps didn't travel with the team, that's concerning moving forward to say the least. Early in the game I looked at the box score and we had, I think 10-11 TOs and it was still the 1st half. I knew then we probably weren't winning. From the play by play it looks like they hit us with multiple 7-0 runs in the last 6 minutes and we were never able to dig out of that hole. Just looking at the box score:

Hubbard was his usual self. I imagine the 7 TOs is partially due to no one else really stepping up and him having to do too much.

We need to get Ballard going. He wasn't good last night.

Delquan Warren probably needs to move down the depth chart. 4 TOs in 16 minutes while only taking 1 shot and having no assists is not what we need out of a backup PG.

SJJ needs to figure it out too. 5 TOs from your senior is not something that needs to be happening.

If SJJ is among the best we have to start, this team is in real trouble. He is an energy, glue type guy to come off the bench and give the starting five a shot in the arm.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If SJJ is among the best we have to start, this team is in real trouble. He is an energy, glue type guy to come off the bench and give the starting five a shot in the arm.

But who do you put in that spot?

[msstate7]

But who do you put in that spot?

It's obvious that Jans wants it to be macura. Maybe king grace can be a player this season; he's got some early mins.

[Goldendawg]

But who do you put in that spot?

Yeah, good point? We only had Hubbard, SJJ and Warren return. It's hoping the Portal evaluations were correct and Jans can indeed mold a team from this group that can win. I took this total rebuild for granted. It's early but, last night and little "D" with 26 TO's is very concerning. You got anything on Epps not making the trip? Perhaps he is still recovering from the concussion at Houston. I was at the UNA game and he didn't look right as he seemed to be getting his jump shot off slowly and got about four blocked. Hope we don't have Clary 2.0 already. 26 TO's is almost unbelievable. It's early of course, but in this portal world, Jans may have his biggest job in front of him with this roster. Hail State!

[NCMSTFAN]

No disrespect to Shawn Jones because he really does play hard and also does alot of little things that dont show up on the stat sheet, but Ive been saying for years he's not a guy that needs to play a ton of minutes because he just isnt good enough on offense, I even said it this year and got push back.. if our 2nd best player is Shawn Jones its going to be a very long year... he is a good player but definitely not a 2nd option guy.

I also don't have a good feeling about Epps not being available that was very odd and Jans hadnt addressed it yet....Epps just didnt seem real comfortable out there... I hope Im wrong but when Jans was giving him an earful on t.v. the other night I had a bad feeling. I could be completely wrong and hope I am because we need another scoring gaurd. There is no way Hubbard can drag us through the season alone, as we all know you win with gaurd play and from what Ive seen early Hubbard is pretty much a one man show.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/9Mft6hHQ/IMG-0783.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Ff2LSwKM)

It's way too early to put much stock in this, but McGhee has a very impressive +- so far. Jones is a positive also

[NCMSTFAN]

https://i.postimg.cc/9Mft6hHQ/IMG-0783.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Ff2LSwKM)

It's way too early to put much stock in this, but McGhee has a very impressive +- so far. Jones is a positive also

I agree, its way too early to put stock into anything.. but we can only go off what we've seen, despite what analytics say... and right now from what Ive seen, Im concerned about some things.. but again its very early and we may gel as the season goes on

[msugolf]

No disrespect to Shawn Jones because he really does play hard and also does alot of little things that dont show up on the stat sheet, but Ive been saying for years he's not a guy that needs to play a ton of minutes because he just isnt good enough on offense, I even said it this year and got push back.. if our 2nd best player is Shawn Jones its going to be a very long year... he is a good player but definitely not a 2nd option guy.

I also don't have a good feeling about Epps not being available that was very odd and Jans hadnt addressed it yet....Epps just didnt seem real comfortable out there... I hope Im wrong but when Jans was giving him an earful on t.v. the other night I had a bad feeling. I could be completely wrong and hope I am because we need another scoring gaurd. There is no way Hubbard can drag us through the season alone, as we all know you win with gaurd play and from what Ive seen early Hubbard is pretty much a one man show.

Epps is most likely done. And it?s not a health issue

[Rawdawg]

He and Jans got into it bad from what I was told.

[SpaceBully]

Just like we weren't the team that beat Memphis by like 40 at memphis last year early, we aren't this bad either. I think we will be a bubble team by the end of the season. I have confidence in Jans

We beat #21 U. of Memphis by 13 at Memphis last year.

[msstate7]

We beat #21 U. of Memphis by 13 at Memphis last year.

Tell you didn't watch the game without telling me you didn't watch the game. We absolutely dominated that game... they finished on an 11-0 run in the last 2 mins to make it respectable

[Coach34]

We certainly have the money to put together a competitive roster.

Yes- this isnt football. Our bball guys have us in the range of competing year after year. I hear Jan gets 10MM and from there we can add a little if it means getting the right piece

The problem is Kentucky and some others start at 20MM

[NCMSTFAN]

He and Jans got into it bad from what I was told.

If true, I saw it coming... when Jans chewed him out on t.v. against North Alabama you could see him shut down... I had a feeling right then and there something was going on.

Jans is very intense and will get in your face...that can rub guys wrong... he's lost players early in the season every year he's been with us.. Even though Epps didnt have a great game he was supposed to be our #2 perimeter guy, just a couple years ago at Georgetown he averaged 18 ppg and 5 apg. That will be a big loss if true.

[HoopsDawg]

If true, I saw it coming... when Jans chewed him out on t.v. against North Alabama you could see him shut down... I had a feeling right then and there something was going on.

Jans is very intense and will get in your face...that can rub guys wrong... he's lost players early in the season every year he's been with us.. Even though Epps didnt have a great game he was supposed to be our #2 perimeter guy, just a couple years ago at Georgetown he averaged 18 ppg and 5 apg. That will be a big loss if true.

Jans definitely isn't for everyone.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jans definitely isn't for everyone.

But that again falls on Jans and Co. to recruit better out of the portal. We've now had, presumably if this is true, 4 straight years of finding a guy in the portal who's supposed to be a primary scoring option for us and doesn't even make it to conference play.

[NCMSTFAN]

But that again falls on Jans and Co. to recruit better out of the portal. We've now had, presumably if this is true, 4 straight years of finding a guy in the portal who's supposed to be a primary scoring option for us and doesn't even make it to conference play.

I agree 100%.... Jans was just asked about Epps twice in today's press conference and he gave a very vague and brief answer both times and didn't want to talk about, so something is definitely going on. Not sure what but its something.

https://youtu.be/f4RXKc2cehY?si=Zq38zjCduFkJV9AV

[EdwardDrayton]

Jans definitely isn't for everyone.

In any leadership role you cannot apply a 'one size fits all'. You have to adjust your approach as a coach with different player personalities.

[msstate7]

In any leadership role you cannot apply a 'one size fits all'. You have to adjust your approach as a coach with different player personalities.

So Jans should yell at some and coddle others? I would rather him be the same either way to all

[EdwardDrayton]

So Jans should yell at some and coddle others? I would rather him be the same either way to all

Coddling is not an approach. You don't nurse or pamper anybody.

[NCMSTFAN]

So Jans should yell at some and coddle others? I would rather him be the same either way to all

While I understand the point your making I actually disagree. Even while being an NCO in the military I learned I couldn't treat everyone the same.. Yes the standards were the same across the board but everyone doesn't respond the same way to discipline. You dont necessarily treat people differently but your approach can be different depending on personalities and circumstances.

As some have already alluded to, Jans isnt really a personable guy.. I dont mind the hard coaching but he can be a bit overboard on the guys publicly at times.

[msstate7]

Jans ran Taylor off or Taylor left, whatever. Taylor never played for anyone again.

Jans ran clary off or clary left, whatever. Clary is playing 14.5 mins/game at ok st. He's avg 4.5 PPG while shooting 18.2% from the field.

If these are the guys that Jans is catching heat over, it should be for missing on them, not mistreating them.

[NCMSTFAN]

Jans ran Taylor off or Taylor left, whatever. Taylor never played for anyone again.

Jans ran clary off or clary left, whatever. Clary is playing 14.5 mins/game at ok st. He's avg 4.5 PPG while shooting 18.2% from the field.

If these are the guys that Jans is catching heat over, it should be for missing on them, not mistreating them.

Both of those guys were supposed to be good coming into State, they weren't for whatever reason for us but they were sought after in the portal. I dont think stats play a part in losing guys early in the season. James Horton also left early in Jans' 1st season..

Despite all of that it would be a shame to lose Epps this early because we need gaurd depth. Ill tell you a guy we could use right now and thats Martavious Russell, he is averaging about 15 ppg at ULM and looking good doing it, I saw him play the other night and he looks good. Trey Fort is also playing solid for Tom Izzo at Michigan State as well. Playing 17 mpg averaging around 7 ppg 2.5 rebs.. Fort started 1 of 2 games. (Neither of those guys have anything to do with this, just throwing that out)