MSU V GEORGIA

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sorry Ed but I must digress.

I don’t agree or disagree tbh. I don’t know that Shapen gives us a great chance. He holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary sacks. But Taylor is inaccurate. He can make good throws here and there, because he is a QB, but overall his accuracy is not great. HOWEVER, he is mobile. And given our line, that is a plus.

[TopDawg]

Stop it with that narrative. He's now ready. Are you not watching this game?

Seeing is believing, but some people don't see very well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Stop it with that narrative. He's now ready. Are you not watching this game?

I am watching it. He has looked like a Freshman. Some good moments and some bad moments. He is really mobile and really athletic. He struggles with consistent accuracy, LIKE A FRESHMAN

[Bothrops]

I think we have a solid shot at getting #6 next week.

Mizzou is better on the LOS. They're a better team

[EdwardDrayton]

Sorry Ed but I must digress.

No apology needed. As I tell folks, if we agree ALL the time, only one of us is likely doing the thinking.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kamario is going to be a hell of a QB. You can see the progression in just a few games. He is still raw though.

But you cannot mention that to State fans. You cannot mention that he has any flaws. The inaccuracy is someone elses fault. If he is sacked it is the lines fault. If he makes a bad read it is the backs fault.

I like Kamario, heck I like him a lot more than Shapen. But you cannot criticize Shapen for everything and Kamario for nothing.

[TopDawg]

I am watching it. He has looked like a Freshman. Some good moments and some bad moments. He is really mobile and really athletic. He struggles with consistent accuracy, LIKE A FRESHMAN

Like Shapen sometimes struggles with accuracy LIKE A SENIOR.

[EdwardDrayton]

I don’t agree or disagree tbh. I don’t know that Shapen gives us a great chance. He holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary sacks. But Taylor is inaccurate. He can make good throws here and there, because he is a QB, but overall his accuracy is not great. HOWEVER, he is mobile. And given our line, that is a plus.

And to state the obvious, we can continue to use KT situationally successfully.

[Bothrops]

Kamario is going to be a hell of a QB. You can see the progression in just a few games. He is still raw though.

We still are going to have to outspend desperate SEC teams with new coaches to get him decent help though.

[EdwardDrayton]

I don’t agree or disagree tbh. I don’t know that Shapen gives us a great chance. He holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary sacks. But Taylor is inaccurate. He can make good throws here and there, because he is a QB, but overall his accuracy is not great. HOWEVER, he is mobile. And given our line, that is a plus.

^^^^^

[EdwardDrayton]

Like Shapen sometimes struggles with accuracy LIKE A SENIOR.

He is not consistently accurate but is much more so than KT.

[Turfdawg67]

Sorry Ed but I must digress.

Lol... I think you meant disagree

[StarkVegasSteve]

Like Shapen sometimes struggles with accuracy LIKE A SENIOR.

You will not get any disagreement from me. I like Kamario better than Shapen. I just think people have built Kamario into this Cam Newton clone RIGHT NOW. He is extremely athletic and he could get there, but he is nowhere near there right now.

[EdwardDrayton]

Kamario is going to be a hell of a QB. You can see the progression in just a few games. He is still raw though.

I believe he can be the best QB we've ever had.

[EdwardDrayton]

Lol... I think you meant disagree

Yes he did but I knew what he meant.

[bulldawg28]

Stop it with that narrative. He's now ready. Are you not watching this game?


I am watching it. He has looked like a Freshman. Some good moments and some bad moments. He is really mobile and really athletic. He struggles with consistent accuracy, LIKE A FRESHMAN

He's looked better than our 6th year Qb that folds under pressure and gets sacked line a freshman. He's also the only reason we won last week and the reason we scored this week. He ran the entire offense today and scored effectively. I guess you prefer sacks every other series that kill drives huh?

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's looked better than our 6th year Qb that folds under pressure and gets sacked line a freshman. He's also the only reason we won last week and the reason we scored this week. He ran the entire offense today and scored effectively. I guess you prefer sacks every other series that kill drives huh?

He is the only reason we won last week? Come on man. Please stop with this nonsense. If that is the case then he is the only reason we lost today because he tried to throw it to my buddy in the Gridiron Club instead of Anthony Evans on 2nd down when it was 17-7.

He was a reason we won last week. Just like Shapen was, Evans was, BT was, and the D was at the end. Oh and their 18 penalties for 193 yds helped.

[EdwardDrayton]

He's looked better than our 6th year Qb that folds under pressure and gets sacked line a freshman. He's also the only reason we won last week and the reason we scored this week. He ran the entire offense today and scored effectively. I guess you prefer sacks every other series that kill drives huh?

To say KT is the reason we won last week is a little overstated to say the least. The two hundred Arkansas penalty yards comes to mind for one.

[bulldawg28]

He is the only reason we won last week? Come on man. Please stop with this nonsense. If that is the case then he is the only reason we lost today because he tried to throw it to my buddy in the Gridiron Club instead of Anthony Evans on 2nd down when it was 17-7.

He's the only reason we didn't get beat 41-0. Your senior Qb fumbled the ball and the momentum of the game. Shapen plays like a freshman under ANY pressure. He's about as good as Jackson Arnold that you hyped about. He's now benched just like Shapen should now be.

[msstate7]

To say KT is the reason we won last week is a little overstated to say the least. The two hundred Arkansas penalty yards comes to mind for one.

Lest you forget, we were DOA before KT led us on 2 td drives. He wasn't the only reason, but we was very instrumental

[bulldawg28]

To say KT is the reason we won last week is a little overstated to say the least. The two hundred Arkansas penalty yards comes to mind for one.

The two TD drives when you were down and thrown into action kept the game from going off the rails. I exaggerated a little too the sole reason however he was a huge component for victory.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's the only reason we didn't get beat 41-0. Your senior Qb fumbled the ball and the momentum of the game. Shapen plays like a freshman under ANY pressure. He's about as good as Jackson Arnold that you hyped about. He's now benched just like Shapen should now be.

You did not answer the question though. You are hanging your hat on HE WAS THE ONLY REASON WE WON. Because if that is your reasoning then I stand by mine that he is the only reason we lost. Both are stupid statements.

[bulldawg28]

You did not answer the question though. You are hanging your hat on HE WAS THE ONLY REASON WE WON. Because if that is your reasoning then I stand by mine that he is the only reason we lost. Both are stupid statements.


What's stupid is saying he's still not ready when he's proven two weeks he can score and run this offense effectively when he's in the game.

[TrapGame]

What's stupid is saying he's still not ready when he's proven two weeks he can score and run this offense effectively when he's in the game.

Every touchdown was his today. That cannot be ignored. He may not be as ready as we would like but his legs add an extra component most defenses will have trouble with. It also helped our depleted OL.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What's stupid is saying he's still not ready when he's proven two weeks he can score and run this offense effectively when he's in the game.

Effective and ready are two completely different conversations. He can be effective and not be ready, see Austin Simmons last year.

And btw, I would start him. Even if I do not believe he is ready. So what if you lose 41-0 the next two weeks? You are not going to the playoffs. Hell I would have started him after Florida for that reason. There is no downside. He performs well? Great. You have your QB. He sucks? Great. Go get another QB in the portal.

[parabrave]

Kamario is going to be a hell of a QB. You can see the progression in just a few games. He is still raw though.

Right and a coach with half a brain will put in a game plan tailored to his abilities. INO dumb the playbook down to 4-6 plays and ley him run it.

[bulldawg28]

Every touchdown was his today. That cannot be ignored. He may not be as ready as we would like but his legs add an extra component most defenses will have trouble with. It also helped our depleted OL.

That's all I'm saying. We'd score differently than with Shapen but We'd still score a ton of points by pass and the run.

[parabrave]

Lest you forget, we were DOA before KT led us on 2 td drives. He wasn't the only reason, but we was very instrumental

Truth. Even today. The players believe he gives us the best chance to win.

[HoopsDawg]

Truth. Even today. The players believe he gives us the best chance to win.

Right now, Shapen is clearly the better QB. But with our Oline, KT may be the better option.

[msstate7]

Effective and ready are two completely different conversations. He can be effective and not be ready, see Austin Simmons last year.

And btw, I would start him. Even if I do not believe he is ready. So what if you lose 41-0 the next two weeks? You are not going to the playoffs. Hell I would have started him after Florida for that reason. There is no downside. He performs well? Great. You have your QB. He sucks? Great. Go get another QB in the portal.

I would start Shapen with 2-3 series for KT, but I doubt seriously we'd be shut out if we did start KT. Dude is a TD machine

[bulldawg28]

Effective and ready are two completely different conversations. He can be effective and not be ready, see Austin Simmons last year.

And btw, I would start him. Even if I do not believe he is ready. So what if you lose 41-0 the next two weeks? You are not going to the playoffs. Hell I would have started him after Florida for that reason. There is no downside. He performs well? Great. You have your QB. He sucks? Great. Go get another QB in the portal.

Agreed. He's made enough progression to run this offense with tweaks to win football games. He'll keep the offensive line and teams would stop blitzing afraid he'd take off or find the deep ball one on one. The deep pass is his most dangerous.

[parabrave]

Right now, Shapen is clearly the better QB. But with our Oline, KT may be the better option.

And thats all that matters.

[EdwardDrayton]

Lest you forget, we were DOA before KT led us on 2 td drives. He wasn't the only reason, but we was very instrumental

Granted he's progressing; I just don't think he gives us the better chance to win next week.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agreed. He's made enough progression to run this offense with tweaks to win football games. He'll keep the offensive line and teams would stop blitzing afraid he'd take off or find the deep ball one on one. The deep pass is his most dangerous.

Teams are going to stack the box on him. He is inaccurate deep. He is like Joe Milton right now. Could he hit a deep ball? Absolutely. Will he? I would not bet on it happening. Which hey, if he hits one that means you have 6.

[EdwardDrayton]

Effective and ready are two completely different conversations. He can be effective and not be ready, see Austin Simmons last year.

And btw, I would start him. Even if I do not believe he is ready. So what if you lose 41-0 the next two weeks? You are not going to the playoffs. Hell I would have started him after Florida for that reason. There is no downside. He performs well? Great. You have your QB. He sucks? Great. Go get another QB in the portal.

There is upside to getting that sixth win and going to a bowl game.

[Dawgface]

Right now, Shapen is clearly the better QB. But with our Oline, KT may be the better option.

Exactly what I thought during this game. With our OL KT has a better chance to make something out of nothing. Plus this will give him some experience going into next year. Having said that…..I expect Shapen to start if he’s physically ok.

[Todd4State]

KT was 6/10 today. Shapen was 10/15 passing. They both have limits. Shapen is just really streaky and I'm honestly tired of it. KT is hit or miss as well. I can tolerate that more from a freshman. Either way limits the offense somewhat. You're either dealing with a QB with his head up his ass or you're limiting what we can do on offense and defenses will catch on quickly and honestly already have.

I'll say this though- QB play is not why we lost today. We keep doing stupid shit like going for it on fourth down in field goal range down 10 or jumping offsides after Georgia does the same thing twice. Now we wouldn't have won the game had we not done those things but at the same time it would have been a lot more presentable.

[bulldawg28]

Teams are going to stack the box on him. He is inaccurate deep. He is like Joe Milton right now. Could he hit a deep ball? Absolutely. Will he? I would not bet on it happening. Which hey, if he hits one that means you have 6.

He's struggling with the option routes where he and the WR have be on the same page. That's why he's throwing out routes thinking the WR's are breaking off the route and they're still running. It's a adjustment the WR's that are accustomed to running deep for Shapen instead of stopping for Taylor. That's easily corrected with more practice. Let's not act like he's sporadic. I'm willing to bet his accuracy with the few amount of passes thrown are on par or better than Shapen.

[msstate7]

KT was 6/10 today. Shapen was 10/15 passing. They both have limits. Shapen is just really streaky and I'm honestly tired of it. KT is hit or miss as well. I can tolerate that more from a freshman. Either way limits the offense somewhat. You're either dealing with a QB with his head up his ass or you're limiting what we can do on offense and defenses will catch on quickly and honestly already have.

I'll say this though- QB play is not why we lost today. We keep doing stupid shit like going for it on fourth down in field goal range down 10 or jumping offsides after Georgia does the same thing twice. Now we wouldn't have won the game had we not done those things but at the same time it would have been a lot more presentable.

KT 87 yards passing
Shapen 86 yards passing

[Todd4State]

Right and a coach with half a brain will put in a game plan tailored to his abilities. INO dumb the playbook down to 4-6 plays and ley him run it.

He's running more than that now. And I don't think it knowing/not knowing the playbook as much as it is reading defenses and making the best choices. And yeah- he's a freshman that's normal. The problem is when he makes the wrong read that stalls the drive too.

So all of this discussion I have a feeling we're basically looking zero sum gain here.

[parabrave]

He's struggling with the option routes where he and the WR have be on the same page. That's why he's throwing out routes thinking the WR's are breaking off the route and they're still running. It's a adjustment the WR's that are accustomed to running deep for Shapen instead of stopping for Taylor. That's easily corrected with more practice. Let's not act like he's sporadic. I'm willing to bet his accuracy with the few amount of passes thrown are on par or better than Shapen.

It takes time esp in PRACTICE for QBs to get insync with QBs. Plus Leb needs to see what his current strengths are and target that.

[Todd4State]

KT 87 yards passing
Shapen 86 yards passing

Yeah. So zero sum gain basically.

[msstate7]

Yeah. So zero sum game basically.

I think Shapen faced a more engaged defense; so I'm not gonna read much in it, but KT's passes were more effective

[EdwardDrayton]

On an unrelated note, Pissy scores 35 in the first half against Citadel. But Lamo takes his foot off the gas in the second half with only two TDs. Never thought I'd EVER see him go soft, especially with a playoff spot on the line.

[bulldawg28]

I think Shapen faced a more engaged defense; so I'm not gonna read much in it, but KT's passes were more effective

Nah, Kirby doesn't play let your foot off the gas. They blitzed and he took off. They also blitzed 4th down and he converted. The long pass was also a blitz where he took a shot and still completed the pass.

[R2Dawg]

KT had a guy in his face on big throw

[R2Dawg]

Yeah. So zero sum gamebasically.

Not really if you watched the game vs box score.
KT way better than Shapen today. KT 21 pts in 1.5 qtrs, Shapen 0 in 2.5

Shapen would have had 4 more sacks if he had played KT snaps

[Turfdawg67]

Play him and let me gain the experience and the first team reps in practice.

Oh, and kick 17'n FG when you are only down 10 to the #5 team in the country. Dumbass

[DEDawg]

What a let down by Lebby. It's hard to take up for him when he keeps making game management mistakes. Take the points. Down by 1 possession at half with one stop.

And jumping in that situation??? Can't happen. You know that's what they're after. Unacceptable.

This should be a 1 score game at half.

Against Missouri sure. We never really stood a chance against Georgia and the tiny sliver we had to win would require 7 not 3. I get the decision

[DEDawg]

Missouri will be sporting a third-string true freshman QB against us.

We will be too lol (ours is better)

[EdwardDrayton]

We will be too lol (ours is better)

It will be interesting to see what Lebby does for that game.

[DEDawg]

It will be interesting to see what Lebby does for that game.
I think Blake is hurt hurt so he may not have a choice.

[EdwardDrayton]

I think Blake is hurt hurt so he may not have a choice.

Remember that guy who got an NIL deal. What was his name. Kromenhoek I think. *****

[AROB44]

Remember that guy who got an NIL deal. What was his name. Kromenhoek I think. *****

Seem to be redshirting him.

[EdwardDrayton]

Seem to be redshirting him.

Not at all sure how that would make sense for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not at all sure how that would make sense for us.

Because he would be a RS Sophomore next year and Kamario would be a true Sophomore. So they would be the same year is the thinking.

[EdwardDrayton]

Because he would be a RS Sophomore next year and Kamario would be a true Sophomore. So they would be the same year is the thinking.

We think he will stay as a backup to KT?

[Dawgface]

Because he would be a RS Sophomore next year and Kamario would be a true Sophomore. So they would be the same year is the thinking.

How many games has he been in? You get 4 right?

[StarkVegasSteve]

We think he will stay as a backup to KT?

I do not. I do not think he is staying regardless. I think we are bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job.

[EdwardDrayton]

How many games has he been in? You get 4 right?

Think he's only been in one game.

[EdwardDrayton]

I do not. I do not think he is staying regardless. I think we are bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job.

So we haven't used him obviously. Was that just a miss on our part?

[Bothrops]

Remember that guy who got an NIL deal. What was his name. Kromenhoek I think. *****

If he wants to play big boy football, he needs to put on about 15 pounds of muscle.

[bulldawg28]

I do not. I do not think he is staying regardless. I think we are bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job.

That would be insane if he did. If he can't develop Qbs he needs to hire an OC.

[EdwardDrayton]

Not sure I'd want to tell KT we're bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job. Can't imagine he'll be enamored with MSU hearing that news.

[Brobi-wan]

Not sure I'd want to tell KT we're bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job. Can't imagine he'll be enamored with MSU hearing that news.

If he doesn’t act like a little b!tch like MVB seemed to, we will be okay. Gotta have a back-up either way

[EdwardDrayton]

If he doesn’t act like a little b!tch like MVB seemed to, we will be okay. Gotta have a back-up either way

MVB knew he was going to be a backup at LSU. I imagine KT doesn't see himself anywhere as a backup next year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not sure I'd want to tell KT we're bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job. Can't imagine he'll be enamored with MSU hearing that news.

Then leave. He is making 6 figures playing spot duty QB. If he wants to be a little b**** about things then have fun somewhere else. Other programs will tell him the same exact damn thing. If he ducks from the competition then he is not someone I want as my QB anyways.

[HoopsDawg]

I do not. I do not think he is staying regardless. I think we are bringing in a veteran QB to compete for the job.

That would be a mistake. We need a 2-3 year plan to build around KT for his junior and senior seasons.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That would be a mistake. We need a 2-3 year plan to build around KT for his junior and senior seasons.

No you go out and make your team better. You build a new team each and every year. Lane Kiffin went and got Chambliss and look what happened. Simmons got slightly injured and Chambliss showed he was the better QB. You go make your team better. If it pisses someone off then so what. They can give that NIL check back. Feelings do not matter anymore.

[EdwardDrayton]

Then leave. He is making 6 figures playing spot duty QB. If he wants to be a little b**** about things then have fun somewhere else. Other programs will tell him the same exact damn thing. If he ducks from the competition then he is not someone I want as my QB anyways.

I would make him QB1 after the season is over and get a backup out of the portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would make him QB1 after the season is over and get a backup out of the portal.

If he shows in the next two games that he can do it, then absolutely. He is about to be on a two game tryout. If he is as good as he, and his father, thinks he is then he should have no problem going 2-0 and leading us to 7 wins.

[EdwardDrayton]

If he shows in the next two games that he can do it, then absolutely. He is about to be on a two game tryout. If he is as good as he, and his father, thinks he is then he should have no problem going 2-0 and leading us to 7 wins.

With all due respect, that is a silly expectation. The QB doesn't win games alone and this is not the best supporting cast yet. Lebby has work to do in the portal.

[msstate7]

If he shows in the next two games that he can do it, then absolutely. He is about to be on a two game tryout. If he is as good as he, and his father, thinks he is then he should have no problem going 2-0 and leading us to 7 wins.

I hope we never sign a qb that isn't confident

[Todd4State]

So we haven't used him obviously. Was that just a miss on our part?

KT is special. He has freak show talent. We needed three QB's regardless so I don't really think it was a miss technically. He's doing what we asked him to do essentially and he got beat out by Superman.

[EdwardDrayton]

I hope we never sign a qb that isn't confident

Seems like Dad may have grated on some folks nerves.

[msstate7]

FWIW, Taylor put up an 85.5 qbr today. That puts his season qbr at 93.4. He doesn't qualify, but that would rank him #1 nationally. He's certainly raw, but the playmaking ability is off the charts. If we don't cater to him some this offseason, someone will

[EdwardDrayton]

KT is special. He has freak show talent. We needed three QB's regardless so I don't really think it was a miss technically. He's doing what we asked him to do essentially and he got beat out by Superman.

Now that makes sense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hope we never sign a qb that isn't confident

I absolutely agree. Now go show it.

[Todd4State]

Not really if you watched the game vs box score.
KT way better than Shapen today. KT 21 pts in 1.5 qtrs, Shapen 0 in 2.5

Shapen would have had 4 more sacks if he had played KT snaps


One of those TD's was a drive led by Shapen.

[EdwardDrayton]

FWIW, Taylor put up an 85.5 qbr today. That puts his season qbr at 93.4. He doesn't qualify, but that would rank him #1 nationally. He's certainly raw, but the playmaking ability is off the charts. If we don't cater to him some this offseason, someone will

As I said above, I would make him QB1 after the season and go get a backup. I believe KT can be the best we've ever had.

[msstate7]

I absolutely agree. Now go show it.
He has. Not sure he can keep it up, but his qbr is off the charts. When given opportunities the last 2 weeks, the offense has responded

[Brobi-wan]

He has. Not sure he can keep it up, but his qbr is off the charts. When given opportunities the last 2 weeks, the offense has responded

He takes some of the load off the other guys. No disrespect to Shapen, the O line is sh!t, but he and that OLine are a bad mix. Is anyone saying we should fire Loadholt or is this not really his fault? I don’t know anything. Legitimate question.

[bulldawg28]

Then leave. He is making 6 figures playing spot duty QB. If he wants to be a little b**** about things then have fun somewhere else. Other programs will tell him the same exact damn thing. If he ducks from the competition then he is not someone I want as my QB anyways.

There's no college in the country that has a sure starter in the wing bringing in competition to compete to take their job.. That's not how the portal works. It's also not a recipe for success. No playoff team has done this. And before you throw out Ole Miss that didn't happen. Chambliss took advantage of an opportunity via injury and hasn't looked back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He takes some of the load off the other guys. No disrespect to Shapen, the O line is sh!t, but he and that OLine are a bad mix. Is anyone saying we should fire Loadholt or is this not really his fault? I don’t know anything. Legitimate question.

This is what people do not want to admit, or they do not understand. Honestly understand is the more likely scenario because we have some LOW IQ fans. Like to the point of where I question whether they played past pee wee. Our O Line and Shapen are just a bad mix. That does not make Shapen a bad QB. Also it is 1000% NOT the fault of Phil Loadholt. He got here in January. Unfortunately it again goes back to Mike Leach. He recruited a different type of OL. When we went away from that, those lineman became useless. Add in to that some god awful evals from that staff and the next and we are in the situation we are in having to depend on JUCO guys, guys that need development, and guys playing out of position.

[bulldawg28]

If he shows in the next two games that he can do it, then absolutely. He is about to be on a two game tryout. If he is as good as he, and his father, thinks he is then he should have no problem going 2-0 and leading us to 7 wins.

What does his father have to do with anything? It's clear you don't like KT but asinine to think we could just go out and find another talent like him. Didn't you say the FSU transfer was the backup? Wrongggggg...KT is the now and the future. I agree with his father who only cares for his son like he's supposed to.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There's no college in the country that has a sure starter in the wing bringing in competition to compete to take their job.. That's not how the portal works. It's also not a recipe for success. No playoff team has done this. And before you throw out Ole Miss that didn't happen. Chambliss took advantage of an opportunity via injury and hasn't looked back.

But had Ole Miss said, “Nah we got Simmons. We are good.” They are AT BEST 6-3 right now. You go make your team better. You do not just stock say Kamario is the answer and move on. Do I think he is? Yes. Do I know it? Not at all. He could be the next Cam Newton or he could be the next Jeremy Johnson. He could be the next Hendon Hooker or he could be the next Joe Milton.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What does his father have to do with anything? It's clear you don't like KT but asinine to think we could just go out and find another talent like him. Didn't you say the FSU transfer was the backup? Wrongggggg...KT is the now and the future. I agree with his father who only cares for his son like he's supposed to.

His dad tweets incessantly that his son is Cam Newton reincarnated and then when people call him out on it he claims he is talking about his other son. He also keeps threatening transfer. Sounds like a couple of other helicopter QB parents.

[bulldawg28]

But had Ole Miss said, “Nah we got Simmons. We are good.” They are AT BEST 6-3 right now. You go make your team better. You do not just stock say Kamario is the answer and move on. Do I think he is? Yes. Do I know it? Not at all. He could be the next Cam Newton or he could be the next Jeremy Johnson. He could be the next Hendon Hooker or he could be the next Joe Milton.

Ole Miss brought him in for straight depth. Kiffin even stated he didn't know he was this good. If we're bringing in depth that's understandable and that's where it ends. There's no legitimate team doing what you're suggesting.

[bulldawg28]

His dad tweets incessantly that his son is Cam Newton reincarnated and then when people call him out on it he claims he is talking about his other son. He also keeps threatening transfer. Sounds like a couple of other helicopter QB parents.

That has NOTHING to do with KT. His dad is a grown man speaking for himself. If KT hasn't said it don't worry about it. I've read his mother's Facebook post stating KT is where he wants to be. So who do you believe? Until the player says he's upset I don't worry about parents opinions.

[HoopsDawg]

But had Ole Miss said, “Nah we got Simmons. We are good.” They are AT BEST 6-3 right now. You go make your team better. You do not just stock say Kamario is the answer and move on. Do I think he is? Yes. Do I know it? Not at all. He could be the next Cam Newton or he could be the next Jeremy Johnson. He could be the next Hendon Hooker or he could be the next Joe Milton.

Why do you keep bringing up Ole Miss? They brought in a low cost transfer for depth. He wasn?t brought in with expectations to beat out Simmons. Thats the opposite of what you are suggesting we do. Maybe you are one of the low iq fans.

[EdwardDrayton]

His dad tweets incessantly that his son is Cam Newton reincarnated and then when people call him out on it he claims he is talking about his other son. He also keeps threatening transfer. Sounds like a couple of other helicopter QB parents.

His Dad is playing agent. Unfortunately that's the state of college sports now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His Dad is playing agent. Unfortunately that's the state of college sports now.

Absolutely. Which is why I honestly pay no attention to what he says. Heck if it was my son I would probably do the same stupid ish. I just hate how he tries to hide from it when people call him out on it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why do you keep bringing up Ole Miss? They brought in a low cost transfer for depth. He wasn?t brought in with expectations to beat out Simmons. Thats the opposite of what you are suggesting we do. Maybe you are one of the low iq fans.

They paid him 500K. That is not low cost transfer. He was brought in because they did have questions about Simmons. Anyone around that program will tell you that. They saw something with Chambliss. They knew that best case they had a great backup and nuclear option they had someone who could effectively run their offense if Simmons was not what they needed him to be.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It really does not matter what any of us think. I think we all want Mississippi State to win, at least on this board. Do I hope Kamario is incredible? Absolutely. Do I have questions? Absolutely. His accuracy is iffy and he makes some bad reads. But do I think he can work past that? Of course. He is a damn freshman. He was in the Mississippi 3A playoffs at this time last year. Lebby is a good enough coach to mask some of those concerns, and he did at times today. He gave him a lot of one read stuff.

I think he starts next weekend and I hope he does well and we win. Do I think it will happen? No. I think he will have moments that make us say he is incredible and moments that make us say WTF are you doing. And that is ok. He is a Freshman.

[Coursesuper]

His Dad is playing agent. Unfortunately that's the state of college sports now.

His dad has no impact on anything that happens with the kid. Mama is in charge.

[EdwardDrayton]

His dad has no impact on anything that happens with the kid. Mama is in charge.

Maybe so. But don't think I'd push all my chips to the center on that notion just in case.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His dad has no impact on anything that happens with the kid. Mama is in charge.

His dad is just annoying more than anything. He knows Kamario will be just another player at some other school. He will be a hero here. Hell people still talk about his uncle, Omar, and he never even had a winning season at State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe so. But don't think I'd push all my chips to the center on that notion just in case.

I would. His dad is annoying but that is all it really is. Noise. He is not actually going to do anything.

[tcdog70]

His dad has no impact on anything that happens with the kid. Mama is in charge.

Omarr has more influence

[StarkVegasSteve]

Omarr has more influence

Yep. If his dad had his way, he would have just gone to the highest bidder out of HS.

[tcdog70]

His dad is just annoying more than anything. He knows Kamario will be just another player at some other school. He will be a hero here. Hell people still talk about his uncle, Omar, and he never even had a winning season at State.

You do realize that many players at State can say they didn’t have a winning season. If you think Omarr or KT would not be a big deal at other schools then you don’t know much about talent or football. It’s not Omarrs fault he had Croom for a Coach.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You do realize that many players at State can say they didn’t have a winning season. If you think Omarr or KT would not be a big deal at other schools then you don’t know much about talent or football. It’s not Omarrs fault he had Croom for a Coach.

I think you misunderstood my point. My point was that although his record was not good Omar is still revered at State because he was a great athlete. DJ Shockley was a great athlete at UGA but no one really reveres him.

[1eyedog]

Omar was GREAT.....

[StarkVegasSteve]

Omar was GREAT.....

Just in the wrong offense for his skill set. Croom wanted him to be a WR

[tcdog70]

It really does not matter what any of us think. I think we all want Mississippi State to win, at least on this board. Do I hope Kamario is incredible? Absolutely. Do I have questions? Absolutely. His accuracy is iffy and he makes some bad reads. But do I think he can work past that? Of course. He is a damn freshman. He was in the Mississippi 3A playoffs at this time last year. Lebby is a good enough coach to mask some of those concerns, and he did at times today. He gave him a lot of one read stuff.

I think he starts next weekend and I hope he does well and we win. Do I think it will happen? No. I think he will have moments that make us say he is incredible and moments that make us say WTF are you doing. And that is ok. He is a Freshman.

Yep He is Freshman. But our 5th year Sr makes lots of stupid plays and decisions.but you never mention that. KT had 4 series and scored on two of them. Blake can’t run, he holds the ball too long, numerous times he has overthrown wide open WRs . The worst pass of the season wasn’t KT it was Shapen in the Fla game. That one play should have benched him for the season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep He is Freshman. But our 5th year Sr makes lots of stupid plays and decisions.but you never mention that. KT had 4 series and scored on two of them. Blake can’t run, he holds the ball too long, numerous times he has overthrown wide open WRs . The worst pass of the season wasn’t KT it was Shapen in the Fla game. That one play should have benched him for the season.

So what about his throw to Thompson against Arizona State? Or his throw to Evans against Arkansas? QBs make mistakes. It happens. Kamario about knocked someone’s drink out of their hand in the Gridiron Club trying to throw to Evans yesterday. It does not mean I want to bench him and put in Kromenhoek. Does it suck that Shapen makes bad decisions as a 5th year senior? You bet your ass it does. But he has also made GW throws for us. You have to take the good with the bad. Kamario will have his time. It may be Saturday and it may be next year. It will come if he continues to progress.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yep He is Freshman. But our 5th year Sr makes lots of stupid plays and decisions.but you never mention that. KT had 4 series and scored on two of them. Blake can’t run, he holds the ball too long, numerous times he has overthrown wide open WRs . The worst pass of the season wasn’t KT it was Shapen in the Fla game. That one play should have benched him for the season.

I understand what you're saying. However I do believe because of the matchup characteristics with Missouri, Blake gives us the best shot to win THAT game. If he is healthy and can throw effectively. We need the passing game against Missouri and don't see a high probability KT is going to make that kind of step change with his accuracy that quickly. And even if that is the play, can the OL give either one of them enough time. And then possibly more injuries on top of that. We are not in a very enviable position all around.

[EdwardDrayton]

So what about his throw to Thompson against Arizona State? Or his throw to Evans against Arkansas? QBs make mistakes. It happens. Kamario about knocked someone’s drink out of their hand in the Gridiron Club trying to throw to Evans yesterday. It does not mean I want to bench him and put in Kromenhoek. Does it suck that Shapen makes bad decisions as a 5th year senior? You bet your ass it does. But he has also made GW throws for us. You have to take the good with the bad. Kamario will have his time. It may be Saturday and it may be next year. It will come if he continues to progress.

Yep. LOL!

[tcdog70]

Just in the wrong offense for his skill set. Croom wanted him to be a WR

That is because Croom had no WRs. Omarr had to switch to receiver because he was the only one that could run a route.

[tcdog70]

So what about his throw to Thompson against Arizona State? Or his throw to Evans against Arkansas? QBs make mistakes. It happens. Kamario about knocked someone’s drink out of their hand in the Gridiron Club trying to throw to Evans yesterday. It does not mean I want to bench him and put in Kromenhoek. Does it suck that Shapen makes bad decisions as a 5th year senior? You bet your ass it does. But he has also made GW throws for us. You have to take the good with the bad. Kamario will have his time. It may be Saturday and it may be next year. It will come if he continues to progress.

Shapen has overthrown several wide ass open players for TDs. When he threw that stupid interception in The Fla game 0 was running wide open down the sideline . Shapen holds the ball takes uncalled for sacks all the time. There is absolutely nothing Shapen does that Kamario can’t do better.

[basedog]

I read where Lebby said Shapen was in pretty much pain with a shoulder injury (left). I doubt he start against Missouri.
I’m hoping we can slow Missouri run game and we can get some yardage running the ball. I think this game will be in the 20’s with both teams.

[Pancho]

their guy may can throw on us if we are all on the IR and manning is out too. we won't hurry the guy