Let Lebby build

[Maroon Glasses]

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

[gtowndawg]

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

Wins are what matters and he has another golden opportunity tomorrow. He's blown 3 of them already, will he blow 4? I hope not but all we can do it watch and see at this point.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I agree with OP. Lebby needs time. Wins are all that matter in this business, but you have to have the opportunity to get in and recruit and build. We have had a rocky time of it since the moment Mullen left for Florida and we incorrectly hired an OC whose only accomplishment is he coached Saquon Barkley for a season or two. We have switched head coaches too much since then.
Morehead - 2 years
Leach died after 3 years, one being Covid.
Arnette, 1 year.
Lebby year 0 and year 1.

This guy has us on the edge of being 7-1 right now against a difficult schedule. I understand our schedule is always going to be difficult. We are literally 3-5 plays away from 7-1 right now.

Lebby shouldn't even be considered for firing until after 2027 at the earliest, and it needs to be strategically done.

[TrapGame]

Another thing people need to realize is a lot of experienced coaches did not want to walk into the shit show we had going in 2024. It was a total train wreck. They wanted a program with more stability.

If we part ways with Lebby next year he will leave the next coach in a much better position than he had starting out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another thing people need to realize is a lot of experienced coaches did not want to walk into the shit show we had going in 2024. It was a total train wreck. They wanted a program with more stability.

If we part ways with Lebby next year he will leave the next coach in a much better position than he had starting out.

And if we fire Lebby no experienced coach will take it this time either. That would be 4 HCs in 5 years. That's not stability.

Lebby is getting Year 3 unless he's fired because of an off the field issue or takes another job. We can't just keep firing coaches every year or two and thinking we are going to get a better coach every time. Now, with Arnett, it was obvious. We could've pulled a fan out of the stands and gotten similar results. We had to make that move because it was a mistake to panic hire him in the first place.

[msugolf]

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

[TrapGame]

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

Yeah, it was that offense in the fourth quarter missing field goals, not tackling punt returners and getting roughing the passer penalties.

The offense is not the problem.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

His offense works fine. We're scoring at a great clip. Last week was a learning experience. Our D has to learn to not make stupid penalties and our ST has to learn not to punt the ball to the best punt returner in the conference.

Offensively we played well enough to win. You have to learn how to win. We're learning tough lessons right now. But you can't be pissed at the losses and not also acknowledge how improved we are. We weren't in games in the 4th quarter last year. We've been in every game this year, even A&M. The wins are coming and after the first one happens, we're going to get a lot really quickly

[Dawgface]

The problem with the building thesis is every year is a building year after losing some to graduation and many hitting the portal. We will always be bringing in a few high schoolers and lots of portal players. Perhaps next year’s portal professional athletes will be better and we in turn win a couple of SEC games. But it’s going to always be a struggle.

[Cowbeller]

Lebby came here in a time of need and showed faith in the program. We ought to show him some back even if times get frustrating. Good post Glasses

[msugolf]

Yeah, it was that offense in the fourth quarter missing field goals, not tackling punt returners and getting roughing the passer penalties.

The offense is not the problem.

It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

[TrapGame]

It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

That lack of depth shows the shit show he walked into.

[Maroon Glasses]

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

If the offense works in quarters 1,2, and 3 then it will work on the 4th. Show me a team that doesnt have 3 and outs and I will show you the best team to ever play. I agree his offense works fast and is explosive but Lebby can't execute the plays for them. It comes down to the in-game pressure which is 100% real. And the 4th quarter exaggerates that pressure especially when you're in the verge of beating top ranked teams in the country. And the only way to overcome that is to learn how to win. The more you lose, the more that pressure builds and every 4th quarter gets harder to win. It's not Lebby's offense.. it's this team not knowing how to win. But when we get that win, hopefully it's "watch out" from there!

[Maroon Glasses]

The problem with the building thesis is every year is a building year after losing some to graduation and many hitting the portal. We will always be bringing in a few high schoolers and lots of portal players. Perhaps next year’s portal professional athletes will be better and we in turn win a couple of SEC games. But it’s going to always be a struggle.

I agree it's always going to be a struggle. But every team goes through that. Hopefully with all the coaching turnover we can really build a strong portal class this off season.

[Todd4State]

His offense will never work, especially in 4th quarters, without a dynamic qb who is already developed. He is not going to develop one (Kamario or Krom) and the chances of him getting one in the portal are slim

Our offense isn't an issue.

[Todd4State]

It was definitely our offenses fault and their inability to pick up first downs and chew up clock that wore down the defense. His offense wants to move fast and hit explosive plays. That is a recipe for disaster in this league for close games in the 4th quarter. This simple draw running scheme will keep yielding the same results at the end of the close games

You know what else will help the defense stay off the field? Not roughing the passer on fourth down.

[R2Dawg]

If the offense works in quarters 1,2, and 3 then it will work on the 4th. Show me a team that doesnt have 3 and outs and I will show you the best team to ever play. I agree his offense works fast and is explosive but Lebby can't execute the plays for them. It comes down to the in-game pressure which is 100% real. And the 4th quarter exaggerates that pressure especially when you're in the verge of beating top ranked teams in the country. And the only way to overcome that is to learn how to win. The more you lose, the more that pressure builds and every 4th quarter gets harder to win. It's not Lebby's offense.. it's this team not knowing how to win. But when we get that win, hopefully it's "watch out" from there!

We were outscored 24-0. The offense was a problem in 4th quarter. You have to manage the game. Get a first down on 4-1 on our side of the field mind you and game over. D didn't execute late either but coaching lost that game pure and simple.

But Lebby is doing some good things. Now he has to learn situational coaching and fast.

[R2Dawg]

Our offense isn't an issue.

It was in the 4th just like the D. Both sucked 24-0 that is fact.

[Goldendawg]

The term "Learning to Win" has always bothered me. Especially in this day of NIL and the portal. Now, it's the coaches' roster as the roster at the majority of schools is turned over often by 40 or so new players every year. You don't think the majority of the players were on winning programs in high school, junior college, or even the college program they left after a year or so to get more playing time or escape being on the bench buried on a depth chart? Learning to win also applies to younger college head coaches when it comes to game management, play calling, clock management, etc. Show improvement by winning tomorrow. If we win tomorrow, Missouri could be number 6 as their first-string quarterback is out for the year.

I agree with another poster, Lebby's offense can score quickly, but when only a few points are scored in the 4th quarter or too many 3 and outs, the defense gets worn out in the fourth quarter. He had this same issue when he was OC at OM. I expect growth for him as a head coach, but 0-8 and 0-16 will not be satisfactory (but we were close won't get it in present or future conversations.) He will get year 3, but winning says it all. BTW, we have been outscored 65-37 combined in the 4th quarter of our 4 SEC losses to date.

[Coach34]

Lebby's only mistake against Texas was continuing to go fast and not burning clock in the 4th. Snapping the ball with 25 seconds when you have a 17 point lead in the 4th Q is stupid. You drain that clock and limit possessions.

Our lack of depth and stupidity caused the bad penalty, long plays, and ST TD

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby's only mistake against Texas was continuing to go fast and not burning clock in the 4th. Snapping the ball with 25 seconds when you have a 17 point lead in the 4th Q is stupid. You drain that clock and limit possessions.

If we have a 4th quarter lead tomorrow and we're still doing that, it would be a damning sign for Lebby's long term future here.

[Tbonewannabe]

Lebby's only mistake against Texas was continuing to go fast and not burning clock in the 4th. Snapping the ball with 25 seconds when you have a 17 point lead in the 4th Q is stupid. You drain that clock and limit possessions.

Our lack of depth and stupidity caused the bad penalty, long plays, and ST TD

And hopefully the young head coach learns from that. My biggest complaint is that he either needs someone he will listen to when those decisions need to be made or an OC that can take things off his plate.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we have a 4th quarter lead tomorrow and we're still doing that, it would be a damning sign for Lebby's long term future here.

You're not wrong. I think we see Lebby chew the clock a little better tomorrow.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And hopefully the young head coach learns from that. My biggest complaint is that he either needs someone he will listen to when those decisions need to be made or an OC that can take things off his plate.

He's probably not going to give up playcalling unless it's for Kendall to come do it. He just needs an offensive analyst to tell him what to do in certain situations. It'd be incredible if we could get someone like Billy Napier to come be an analyst for a year.

[MBDawg601]

Re-watched the Texas game. we manhandled them for 3.5 quarters.I honestly had given up last Saturday, but after re watching the game we are SO close I can fkn taste it.

I?m all in on Lebby. 98% of the teams cannot say they?re 3-4 plays away from being in the playoff race, we can though and are doing it with 1/4 of the talent. To be honest, every game (other than A&M) I?ve had a blast watching and feel like at any given moment we can score. I have not had this much fun and heartbreak in football in quite some time. It?s a bitter sweet thing, but to have something to feel passionate about again, says something.

[Maroon Glasses]

Personally I want Lebby to keep calling plays. As much heart break this season has caused so far, it has been a long time since I have loved watching us on offense. Yeah we have some questionable play calling and wtf drives, but overall our offense is fun to watch. Defense is a bend but dont break style and has 360? from last year. I do agree with some posters that as fast as our offense moves it can really hurt you at times, especially in the 4th when our D is worn down from lack of depth. Thats where Lebby has to learn to use clock. Maybe revert to more of a Leach style offense with the short dink and dunk passes mixed in with running the ball. But if we can establish some depth of defense in the off season, then Lebby style of quick play shouldn't hurt us as bad imo. I just think our defense is so worn down by the 4th quarter. But damn I am proud of how much they have turned it around and the intensity they play with. Besides the dumb, inexcusable penalties that have lost us games.

[Coach34]

And hopefully the young head coach learns from that. My biggest complaint is that he either needs someone he will listen to when those decisions need to be made or an OC that can take things off his plate.

Thats not really necessary. Lebby was thinking they were tired and he was going to keep going fast to keep his foot on their throat. He has to change that mindset to win games.

[Maroon Glasses]

Thats not really necessary. Lebby was thinking they were tired and he was going to keep going fast to keep his foot on their throat. He has to change that mindset to win games.

Correct. You're the first person I've seen say this. His mindset wasnt to become conservative. It was to continue to score and not let up. It just back fired on him. But the mindset was definitely to keep his foot on their throat. The execution just wasn't there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Correct. You're the first person I've seen say this. His mindset wasnt to become conservative. It was to continue to score and not let up. It just back fired on him. But the mindset was definitely to keep his foot on their throat. The execution just wasn't there.

He thought like an OC. He has to continue adapting to think like a HC.

[HoopsDawg]

He thought like an OC. He has to continue adapting to think like a HC.

Really sucks that Reese it out tomorrow.

[Medic601]

Im a no body and my opinion doesn?t matter but i am beyond happy with Lebby. I feel our program has made GREAT strides over the past 2 years.

Sure, he has made some mistakes but he is a young first time head coach in the big leagues, cut him some slack.

I support him fully and think by next year, we will be a WHOLE new program.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Really sucks that Reese it out tomorrow.

It does and against a defense with a pulse I'd be worried. But these are the last 3 weeks, since they fired the DC, what they have given up on the ground:

Tennessee: 264
A&M: 217
Auburn: 230

Now Auburn can't throw a forward pass and Tennessee really didn't want to that night. A&M, however, did and had good success. Reed was 23/32 for 280. Almost 9 yds a completion. Shapen has been at 9 and 9.1 the last two weeks. I suspect our run game opens up the deep ball and Shapen is a lot more accurate than Reed on the deep ball, and that's saying something.

I predicted 48-24 earlier in the week and I'm sticking by it.

[Maroon Glasses]

Anyone else think this could be a good opportunity to let KT get some opportunities to run the offense? Especially as bad as Arky run defense is. Might could be a good game plan to utilize.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone else think this could be a good opportunity to let KT get some opportunities to run the offense? Especially as bad as Arky run defense is. Might could be a good game plan to utilize.

No. Stick to the gameplan. If it calls for him to go in, then let him go in. You don't change things up Week 10. Kamario also has not really shown the ability to be able to run even a zone read, much less an RPO. You stick to the 5-10 plays he knows how to run.

[Maroon Glasses]

I'm really hoping he can pick up the offense this off season. It's a huge difference thats hard to comprehend for most to go from being the best high school athlete on the field to playing QB in the SEC. Especially in an RPO offense and trying to read defensive schemes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm really hoping he can pick up the offense this off season. It's a huge difference thats hard to comprehend for most to go from being the best high school athlete on the field to playing QB in the SEC. Especially in an RPO offense and trying to read defensive schemes.

Yea. And a few tried to tell the masses that and they didn't, and still don't, understand.

He went from running an extremely simplistic offense at Noxubee Co to an SEC offense. Which, no matter what offensive system you are in, is going to be 100000x more complicated than a HS offense. Especially a MS HS offense.

He has all the physical abilities to be Cam Newton, but he has to learn and master the offense.

[Todd4State]

You're not wrong. I think we see Lebby chew the clock a little better tomorrow.

Having Fluff will help with that.

[TrapGame]

Having Fluff will help with that.

Fluff might have a huge day tomorrow.

[Todd4State]

He thought like an OC. He has to continue adapting to think like a HC.

This kind of reminds me of when Cohen was our baseball coach in year two. He was trying to do things that I knew were good but we just didn't have the talent to pull it off. We got talent in 2011 and those decisions somehow started to work a lot better.

[Todd4State]

Fluff might have a huge day tomorrow.

He's not 100% I wouldn't think so if he cracks 75 yards I'll be happy.
We need to rotate Booth in and split carries and take it slow with Fluff.

[Todd4State]

Yea. And a few tried to tell the masses that and they didn't, and still don't, understand.

He went from running an extremely simplistic offense at Noxubee Co to an SEC offense. Which, no matter what offensive system you are in, is going to be 100000x more complicated than a HS offense. Especially a MS HS offense.

He has all the physical abilities to be Cam Newton, but he has to learn and master the offense.

That TD pass on that flat route last game hopefully will help some with his confidence. It's a process for sure. I'm Ok with where he's at now. He's more comfortable when we roll him out which makes sense.

[Todd4State]

I'm really hoping he can pick up the offense this off season. It's a huge difference thats hard to comprehend for most to go from being the best high school athlete on the field to playing QB in the SEC. Especially in an RPO offense and trying to read defensive schemes.

He needs to spend the offseason with a QB guru and work on progressions. Really just needs reps more than anything in practice.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yea. And a few tried to tell the masses that and they didn't, and still don't, understand.

He went from running an extremely simplistic offense at Noxubee Co to an SEC offense. Which, no matter what offensive system you are in, is going to be 100000x more complicated than a HS offense. Especially a MS HS offense.

He has all the physical abilities to be Cam Newton, but he has to learn and master the offense.

The physical tools are off the chart from the little bit I got to watch him play in high school. I've had the privilege (along with others on this board I'm sure) to play with and watch some high rated quarterbacks. And most of them get to college and do not pan out. I'll use Ty Keyes as an example. I didn't play with him but watched him 4 years at Taylorsville. He was a legit HS QB. Cannon for an arm and could run. Long story short, he gets to college and doesn't really do much. He had all the tools but imo Mississippi schools are way behind modern offenses and it really hurts these kids when they get to college trying to learn to read defenses and schemes. The tools can be there but they are useless if you can't read whats glhapoening on the other side of the line if scrimmage.

[Maroon Glasses]

He needs to spend the offseason with a QB guru and work on progressions. Really just needs reps more than anything in practice.

We need to spend whatever it takes to make sure he progresses this off season. Hire whoever and whatever we need

[PGHBulldogBG]

Lebby has proven that he can take a disaster and get some better players in year 2 and make us competitive with a chance to win in close games. Now the question becomes can he get over the hump? Or is he our football version of Ben Howland. I say this because Howland took over a horrible situation with Rick Ray and made us competitive again in basketball but couldn?t get us over the hump to be a consistent tournament team. He lost so many close games at the very end for several years just like Lebby is doing this year. Next year is really going to be the determining factor for what Lebby can do. Lebby is the first Miss State coach that is 2 years into his tenure and I haven?t made a decision. I?ve been a State fan since the early 2000s. Croom I knew at this point wasn?t the answer, Mullen I knew right away would be good, Moorhead I knew the second he was announced would be a disaster, Leach I wasn?t sure about but by this time year 2 I was bought in. Arnett I was willing to try it until about 5 games in. Lebby is still a question mark

[Maroon Glasses]

Lebby has proven that he can take a disaster and get some better players in year 2 and make us competitive with a chance to win in close games. Now the question becomes can he get over the hump? Or is he our football version of Ben Howland. I say this because Howland took over a horrible situation with Rick Ray and made us competitive again in basketball but couldn?t get us over the hump to be a consistent tournament team. He lost so many close games at the very end for several years just like Lebby is doing this year. Next year is really going to be the determining factor for what Lebby can do. Lebby is the first Miss State coach that is 2 years into his tenure and I haven?t made a decision. I?ve been a State fan since the early 2000s. Croom I knew at this point wasn?t the answer, Mullen I knew right away would be good, Moorhead I knew the second he was announced would be a disaster, Leach I wasn?t sure about but by this time year 2 I was bought in. Arnett I was willing to try it until about 5 games in. Lebby is still a question mark

Yeah I agree. Same thoughts here except I thought when we hired Moorehead that it was a good hire. Boy was I wrong. I gotta say that Lebby has me really excited and worried at the same time. I dont know how I have this feeling but I do. Extreme highs and extreme lows lol. Atleast he does it right when he does it, no lukewarm stuff. It's either estatic or heartbreak so far in his tenure.

[Todd4State]

We need to spend whatever it takes to make sure he progresses this off season. Hire whoever and whatever we need

It's more about getting him in touch with the right QB trainer in the offseason than hiring someone on staff.

https://www.train3dqb.com/about-3dqb-elite-qb-training

[Todd4State]

Yeah I agree. Same thoughts here except I thought when we hired Moorehead that it was a good hire. Boy was I wrong. I gotta say that Lebby has me really excited and worried at the same time. I dont know how I have this feeling but I do. Extreme highs and extreme lows lol. Atleast he does it right when he does it, no lukewarm stuff. It's either estatic or heartbreak so far in his tenure.

Big difference between Moorhead and Lebby is at least we are on an upward trajectory with Lebby whereas with Moorhead we seemed to get more and more sloppy and everything seemed chaotic. We looked completely unprepared in year two under Moorhead. And that's probably only because our defense in 2018 was simply too good to fail.

To me, we don't look unprepared. I would say we were more prepared than Texas among others in fact. It looks to me like we lack depth. It seems like every injury is a major issue for us and every mistake gets magnified.

[Maroon Glasses]

Big difference between Moorhead and Lebby is at least we are on an upward trajectory with Lebby whereas with Moorhead we seemed to get more and more sloppy and everything seemed chaotic. We looked completely unprepared in year two under Moorhead. And that's probably only because our defense in 2018 was simply too good to fail.

To me, we don't look unprepared. I would say we were more prepared than Texas among others in fact. It looks to me like we lack depth. It seems like every injury is a major issue for us and every mistake gets magnified.

Agreed man. We have looked prepared every game. Now like every team, we have had our sloppy moments. It's crazy to think how good our defense was in 2018. Our offense wasn't bad as far as talent. And we had Fitz. And Moorhead couldn't win.

[tcdog70]

Special teams lost the Texas game.

[Tbonewannabe]

He thought like an OC. He has to continue adapting to think like a HC.

Exactly, I understand the mindset and everyone knows we have been bit in the ass taking our foot of the gas. There comes a time that someone should have done the math and let him know that we could almost burn the entire clock if we let up.

[Wink&aPrayer]

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

This is not really up to the fans. The product on the field is killing fan morale

[msugolf]

Our offense isn't an issue.

Like I said the offensive philosophy will not work and is a major problem. But we will have a new coach in 2027 so time to take a break from MState football until then. Hopefully we go with someone that runs the power spread like Dan

[Bothrops]

It looks like whatever he's building is being converted to doo doo as soon as it arrives.

[War Machine Dawg]

Yeah, great suggestion. Let a loser keep losing. He'll eventually figure it out in year 12, we just have to be patient. Sick of this garbage. Winners win, losers lose.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah, great suggestion. Let a loser keep losing. He'll eventually figure it out in year 12, we just have to be patient. Sick of this garbage. Winners win, losers lose.

Well... he won.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I agree with OP. Lebby needs time. Wins are all that matter in this business, but you have to have the opportunity to get in and recruit and build. We have had a rocky time of it since the moment Mullen left for Florida and we incorrectly hired an OC whose only accomplishment is he coached Saquon Barkley for a season or two. We have switched head coaches too much since then.
Morehead - 2 years
Leach died after 3 years, one being Covid.
Arnette, 1 year.
Lebby year 0 and year 1.

This guy has us on the edge of being 7-1 right now against a difficult schedule. I understand our schedule is always going to be difficult. We are literally 3-5 plays away from 7-1 right now.

Lebby shouldn't even be considered for firing until after 2027 at the earliest, and it needs to be strategically done.

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

[Mjoelner34]

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

THIS is the correct answer. But, it is also on his shoulders to correct those problems through recruiting, the portal and coaching hires and so far year 2 isn't much better, if any, than year 1. I think there has to be significant improvement in year 3 to get a year 4.

[Maverick91]

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

I don't disagree. But for Lebby to become aware of these issues and obviously not scheme around them. That is the point that is breaking a lot of backs. And draws into questions his ability to coach.

[Cowbeller]

I don't disagree. But for Lebby to become aware of these issues and obviously not scheme around them. That is the point that is breaking a lot of backs. And draws into questions his ability to coach.

You see him scheming differently each week. Beginning of the year the complaints are he checks down too much then it’s too many HR balls. With a bad line on either side of the ball it’s very limited what you can do and the fact weve hung the amount of points we have is impressive in itself. D gets worn out eventually but impressed by them as well.

[CaptainObvious]

No.

[Quaoarsking]

It's the same thing every week: Lebby coaches a terrible game on Saturday. On Sunday there is near unanimous agreement that he's still a bad coach who will eventually be fired.

Then by midweek, people delude themselves back into "well maybe all of his red flags are good things and actually no other coach would even get us close enough to have his coaching cost us the games, so actually it's not really his fault at all!"

Lather, rinse, repeat. Believe me, I'm as desperate to root for a good football program as much as anyone else, but being in denial about our terrible coach who could have 7, 8, or 9 wins but instead just has 5 does no favors to anyone.

Arnett or Moorhead could have coached this team to 5-7. We need someone who can outperform them.

[gtowndawg]

It's the same thing every week: Lebby coaches a terrible game on Saturday. On Sunday there is near unanimous agreement that he's still a bad coach who will eventually be fired.

Then by midweek, people delude themselves back into "well maybe all of his red flags are good things and actually no other coach would even get us close enough to have his coaching cost us the games, so actually it's not really his fault at all!"

Lather, rinse, repeat. Believe me, I'm as desperate to root for a good football program as much as anyone else, but being in denial about our terrible coach who could have 7, 8, or 9 wins but instead just has 5 does no favors to anyone.

Arnett or Moorhead could have coached this team to 5-7. We need someone who can outperform them.

Yeah, this board is almost Genespage at this point. I feel like SixPack reflects the fanbase's feelings better. Lebby is awful, everyone knows it whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.

[Brobi-wan]

Lebby is not a good coach yet. You guys are on meth if you think Arnett or Moorhead would have the same record as Lebby this year though. Moorehead might have beaten Arkansas. Arnett would have lost to ASU and Arkansas.

[Doggie_Style]

Yeah, this board is almost Genespage at this point. I feel like SixPack reflects the fanbase's feelings better. Lebby is awful, everyone knows it whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.

I think most of the fanbase has just capitulated at this point. Yes Lebby ain't it but what are our chances of bringing in anyone better given the current Administration / leadership situation? This admin has made so many bad decisions in both athletics and academics that any sense of confidence is long gone.

[BB30]

Lebbys offenses have averaged more ppg in his first two years than all but three years Mullen was here and some of them were later on in ******* tenure with a much more talented roster...

Offense isn't the problem, defense isn't the problem, coaching decisions aren't the problem. Money is the problem. We don't have the talent to bail us out of poor coaching decisions like others in our conference do. We have to play and coach perfect. Lane can have a c+ coaching game and get bailed out by the talent on the roster now. Same with the other playoff contenders. Coaches are going to make bone headed decisions some every game, goes back to jimmys and joes beat x's and o's.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby is not a good coach yet. You guys are on meth if you think Arnett or Moorhead would have the same record as Lebby this year though. Moorehead might have beaten Arkansas. Arnett would have lost to ASU and Arkansas.

Arnett beat a similar quality Arkansas on the road as HC, and also won a home close game with Arizona, who was similar or a little better than this year's Arizona.

Moorhead also beat Arkansas in the year ye got fired (so did Croom, incidentally) as well as 2 other P5 home games.

[Doggie_Style]

Arnett beat a similar quality Arkansas on the road as HC, and also won a home close game with Arizona, who was similar or a little better than this year's Arizona.

Moorhead also beat Arkansas in the year ye got fired (so did Croom, incidentally) as well as 2 other P5 home games.

Yup.....Croom, Moorhead, Arnett and Lebby ..... all block-heads and all bad hires

[Brobi-wan]

Arnett beat a similar quality Arkansas on the road as HC, and also won a home close game with Arizona, who was similar or a little better than this year's Arizona.

Moorhead also beat Arkansas in the year ye got fired (so did Croom, incidentally) as well as 2 other P5 home games.

Nobody on Lebby’s team is giving the starting QB skull fractures.

[Quaoarsking]

Nobody on Lebby?s team is giving the starting QB skull fractures.

Sure, but we were discussing on the field results, and so far Lebby hasn't done anything that Arnett and Moorhead couldn't do.

Speaking of, is it weird to anyone else how much we as a university praise Willie Gay after that incident? The official accounts post things about him, and we even honored him on the field earlier this season.

[Brobi-wan]

Sure, but we were discussing on the field results, and so far Lebby hasn't done anything that Arnett and Moorhead couldn't do.

Speaking of, is it weird to anyone else how much we as a university praise Willie Gay after that incident? The official accounts post things about him, and we even honored him on the field earlier this season.

I understand your line of thought. I just don’t agree with the point. Moorehead and Arnett did that standing on the shoulders of Mullen and Leach.

Fitz was a top 5 All time QB for us and Will was Will. Honestly a lot like Blake. Lebby is taking over the mess created by Arnett and playing catch up on NIL within our base. I’m not saying Lebby is a good coach. I think he will be. He may never be a good coach here though. Your statement is a bit like when your sibling breaks yours mom’s lamp and hands you the bat he did it with. It’s not really what happened or fair.

That being said, I’m not satisfied with this year. But to each their own. I also think Willie Gay is not someone we should promote, but from what I heard of the incident and the climate in which it happened, pretty sure we wouldn’t demonize him. We probably should just not acknowledge him at all tbh

[AROB44]

I understand your line of thought. I just don?t agree with the point. Moorehead and Arnett did that standing on the shoulders of Mullen and Leach.

Fitz was a top 5 All time QB for us and Will was Will. Honestly a lot like Blake. Lebby is taking over the mess created by Arnett and playing catch up on NIL within our base. I?m not saying Lebby is a good coach. I think he will be. He may never be a good coach here though. Your statement is a bit like when your sibling breaks yours mom?s lamp and hands you the bat he did it with. It?s not really what happened or fair.

That being said, I?m not satisfied with this year. But to each their own. I also think Willie Gay is not someone we should promote, but from what I heard of the incident and the climate in which it happened, pretty sure we wouldn?t demonize him. We probably should just not acknowledge him at all tbh

Agree totally!

[Maverick91]

Lebbys offenses have averaged more ppg in his first two years than all but three years Mullen was here and some of them were later on in ******* tenure with a much more talented roster...

Offense isn't the problem, defense isn't the problem, coaching decisions aren't the problem. Money is the problem. We don't have the talent to bail us out of poor coaching decisions like others in our conference do. We have to play and coach perfect. Lane can have a c+ coaching game and get bailed out by the talent on the roster now. Same with the other playoff contenders. Coaches are going to make bone headed decisions some every game, goes back to jimmys and joes beat x's and o's.

I disagree. Coaching errors alone lost us the Texas and Florida games. You can't kick argue coaching errors at least made Mizzu look a lot worse than it was if not lost us that game.

[dawgman15]

Lebby is not a good coach yet. You guys are on meth if you think Arnett or Moorhead would have the same record as Lebby this year though. Moorehead might have beaten Arkansas. Arnett would have lost to ASU and Arkansas.

Arnett beat an Arkansas team on the road that didn?t have an interim head coach. We?re fine with firing a first time HC previous coordinator midway through a season but God forbid we get rid of a coach who went 2-10 is first season with a blowout loss at home to Toledo. Arnett was bad so is Lebby they don?t have to be mutually exclusive

[Quaoarsking]

Assuming we end up losing the Egg Bowl, there isn't much difference at all in this season and 2023.

And honestly not a huge difference between 2025 and 2024 either. Biggest change is that 7 of our 9 P5 opponents got worse, some of them significantly worse like Florida and Arkansas, and we failed to capitalize. Well, that and at least Lebby did get absolutely humiliated by a MAC team this time.

[Cowbeller]

Yeah, this board is almost Genespage at this point. I feel like SixPack reflects the fanbase's feelings better. Lebby is awful, everyone knows it whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.

It is a damn good thing the fanbase doesnt make the decisions

[AROB44]

It is a damn good thing the fanbase doesnt make the decisions

Absolutly! We would be firing a coach every year and talking about how we deserve better.

[Brobi-wan]

Absolutly! We would be firing a coach every year and talking about how we deserve better.

Welfare mentality for the welfare program

[tcdog70]

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

I'll agree we need to be better on both lines. the issue is the Coach is a dumb ass--90% of D1 Coaches would not have lost the Texas game-or the Fla Game for sure. When you know you are weak on the lines of scrimmage you have to Coach accordingly. Just run Fluff and kick the FG -and then we going bowling. after That pass Shapen should have been bench bound.

[Brobi-wan]

I'll agree we need to be better on both lines. the issue is the Coach is a dumb ass--90% of D1 Coaches would not have lost the Texas game-or the Fla Game for sure. When you know you are weak on the lines of scrimmage you have to Coach accordingly. Just run Fluff and kick the FG -and then we going bowling. after That pass Shapen should have been bench bound.

Your assumption that 90% of coaches would have been in that same spot isn’t really fair though. The Florida game was unacceptable. The defense collapsed on the Texas game. Lebby should have slowed the offense down in the 4th quarter, but the Texas D is legit and we scored at will on them for 3 quarters.