I just need to know...

[CadaverDawg]

Who found the leftovers of my bottle of crazy pills I lost after I wanted Mullen fired, and why did y'all give them to msstate7 and Quars?

Love you boys, but yall have lost your minds on this Fire Lebby thing.

Take a deep breath and realize a few things....

1. Nobody is "ok" with 4-8/0-8 if it happens. I don't think it will happen, but if it does nobody will be "ok" with it.

2. There is more to evaluating a coach AT MISSISSIPPI STATE than JUST wins and losses. Am I saying "ReCoRd DoNt MaTtEr"? No, so please don't start that crap.
I'm saying use your eyes and see the trajectory. Obviously it has to eventually turn in to wins, but the improvement is as clear as day unless you're looking at our record and not watching the actual games.

3. Nobody is wanting to keep him due to being scared of the carousel. Is that definitely an additional reason not to do something stupid like firing him right now? Absolutely. But it is nowhere near THE reason anybody doesn't want to fire him.

4. This is essentially year 1 for Lebby. And despite the hurt and heartbreak this team is causing, he continues to get their max effort against SUPERIOR TALENT. Yes, far superior talent. That's the one thing you guys gloss over when you say "he had Texas and Florida and Tennessee beat, BUT....." So you're telling us our current coach had 3 teams that are far more talented than us Beat, and now you're going to tell me why we should fire him in your next sentence bc he failed to close it out in his second full year as a head coach in the toughest league in sports? Reread that.

5. The second to last reason you guys should chill is because everyone (including me) will be right there with you if we see similar results and a total lack of growth in decision making and closing out games next year. We have to see continuous growth, and next year that growth will be judged far more on the win column.

6. And the last reason to chill is that unless he totally loses the team down the stretch, it's a waste of time to make polls and try to speak a firing into existence, because it ain't happening. Nor should it.

Lebby closes that Texas game out and he may be in the running for Coach of the year, yet you want him fired bc he didn't? Can't be that big of a swing in a close result against more talented teams by what's basically a first year coach.

Take a deep breath and don't make yourself look like dumb Cadaver did several years ago. I remember wasting my life away on this board trying to persuade a bunch of dudes that weren't going to be persuaded. Much like I'm trying to do you two right now...so maybe I haven't learned as much as I think haha.

Go Dawgs, Beat Hawgs

[Todd4State]

Well said. I think when people take a step back for a minute they'll see things the way you and I do.

[Quaoarsking]

I have said enough on this subject over the last couple weeks, so I'll keep this brief: (Edit - did not really keep it brief)

1. I really, really want Lebby to succeed here. Imagine a world where he beats Arkansas, the game management stuff starts clicking for him, we upset Ole Miss, Kiffin leaves, and then the in-state pendulum swings back to us for the rest of the decade. I think I've been pretty clear that I would only call for Lebby's firing if we finish 0-8 in the SEC, and I would love for the question to become moot on Saturday.

2. I'm just not that impressed that we "kept it close" with Florida and Texas. Of course we did. Every P4 team either team has faced this year has done so too (you could argue on Oklahoma by the end of it), including juggernauts like Kentucky and G5 South Florida. Accumulating talent doesn't always translate to wins, especially in the NIL era, when these thrown-together rosters sometimes just don't gel. On top of that, it was already leaked that Napier was out before we played, so Florida had nothing to play for, and Arch has been struggling all year.

Throw in the fact that Lebby had very questionable coaching in both games - remember the series with KT up the middle 3 times and then Shapen up the middle on 4th, we left a lot of times (probably a couple of minutes) on the play clock in the 4th against Texas just by snapping it needlessly soon. And then failing to even attempt a field goal at the end of the 4th quarter in either game. A lot of Lebby supporters are even acknowledging that he's struggling with in-game management, and I think in the modern era, in-game management is the #1 most important quality a coach can have over recruitment and development. We've got to take every opportunity to win we can, because in the NIL era a lot of games are just going to be out of reach for us no matter what we do. There were already questions about his game management last year, and now he's blowing golden opportunities for signature wins. I really hope he figures it out, but for most people, this skill is just a "you're born with it or you're not" kind of thing.

3. I reject the idea that last year doesn't count. It's become the party line that we were so outrageously untalented that getting blown out by Toledo was unavoidable, and all that does is remind me of what Croom himself and his supporters said about Maine. I know we were bad, but we weren't "get blown out by Toledo" bad. In fact, our FPI rating in 2024 was actually better than every single team in the MAC, so there's just no defending that game.

It's also frustrating that Lebby supporters seem to be trying to have it both ways when it comes to whether 2024 counts. If this is year 1 for Lebby because the roster was so fundamentally talented that any coach would have gone 2-10 and nothing that happened can be held against Lebby, then why does Lebby get all this credit for improving now that NIL has funded more talent for him? If last year was impossible, then how could he have done anything but improve?

4. I'm not sure about #5. I'm been very surprised by how adamant and vitriolic many (not you, and not everyone) of the Lebby supporters here and on other boards are, to the level we didn't see for Mullen, Leach, Moorhead, Lemonis, etc. What is it about Jeff Lebby that makes his supporters this angry and offended, with all the personal insults and name-calling at people who just want to see some wins after 2+ years of losing and counting? You have to wonder if there are reasons outside of football for it for some of our fans.

5. Go Dawgs. Beat Hawgs.

[Bdawg]

Think we all agree with you that Lebby has made some in game screw ups.

I disagree that game management is more important than recruiting because you have to recruit your whole damn team each year plus try to add to it and hope the next team doesn?t come along and out bid you(like Arnold).

If the administration thinks he had a year zero, then he had a year zero. I tend to agree with them because our roster was so bad we couldn?t even practice against each other or even have a half decent scout team.

I agree with you on Toledo. Just like it was inexcusable with Mullen against South Alabama, but it happened.

Lebby gets credit for improving the team because he is the one who identifies the talent, not the donors. The NIL just gives Lebby the necessary funds to get who he wants. I feel we upgraded the talent in a few areas, so he gets credit for it.

Pretty sure I havent been ugly to you in the discussion and would like to keep it that way. We all are still Dawgs. Beat the Hawgs!

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think a lot of times, myself included, try to make stuff too cut and dried. There is a lot of grey in this. You cannot say we are miles better this year and in the same breathe say that we still suck if you are going to be cut and dried and absolute on things. Are we miles better this year? My god yes. Have we sucked in late game situations and seem to invent new ways to lose each and every week? Yes. But in those two wildly different statements there is a lot of minutia. For example, Saturday was the first time we have held a two score lead on a conference opponent since 2022. Let that sink in. That tells you how bad it had gotten. The fact that on Saturday FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THREE YEARS we led by more than 7 points against someone. That is almost an unbelievable stat.

[msstate7]

I think a lot of times, myself included, try to make stuff too cut and dried. There is a lot of grey in this. You cannot say we are miles better this year and in the same breathe say that we still suck if you are going to be cut and dried and absolute on things. Are we miles better this year? My god yes. Have we sucked in late game situations and seem to invent new ways to lose each and every week? Yes. But in those two wildly different statements there is a lot of minutia. For example, Saturday was the first time we have held a two score lead on a conference opponent since 2022. Let that sink in. That tells you how bad it had gotten. The fact that on Saturday FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THREE YEARS we led by more than 7 points against someone. That is almost an unbelievable stat.

Arnett won at Arkansas before being fired. Let's see how Lebby does vs an interim

[msstate7]

And all I'm calling for to keep Lebby is win one game. That's not a hurdle... it's a step.

[TrapGame]

Arnett won at Arkansas before being fired. Let's see how Lebby does vs an interim

But that interim is Bobby Petrino the former head coach of Arkansas and one of the premiere play callers in college football.

He is not coaching against John L. Smith or Chad Morris.

[Coursesuper]

Arnett won at Arkansas before being fired. Let's see how Lebby does vs an interim

Apples and Watermelons analogy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

But that interim is Bobby Petrino the former head coach of Arkansas and one of the premiere play callers in college football.

He is not coaching against John L. Smith or Chad Morris.

He is not but his offense, which has hung some numbers on some people(scored the most anyone has on Texas this year), is facing a defense that may quite possibly be worse than the one we fielded last year.

This is a game we should, and depending on what your line of thinking is, have to win.

[gtowndawg]

If he goes 0-8 (0-16) he will get fired. Let's see if he can win one, ball's in his court.

[Goldendawg]

Davis, Shira, Felker, Croom, Moorhead, Arnett, and Lebby to be determined. See a pattern here? We get what we pay for in my MSU lifetime fandom. Exceptions are Tyler (except for probation and 18 forfeits which should be challenged) and Mullen. Now, all this being said, Beat Arkansas and get to 6-6 and turn this around. We are not "Horseshoes and Hand Grenades University", and that is just not acceptable. Hail State!

[TrapGame]

He is not but his offense, which has hung some numbers on some people(scored the most anyone has on Texas this year), is facing a defense that may quite possibly be worse than the one we fielded last year.

This is a game we should, and depending on what your line of thinking is, have to win.

We have a defense that can contain Green. We have an offense that can score on their defense. With Fluff back I expect to win this game by two touchdowns. If we do not then I may be with Q, 7 and gtown.


If he goes 0-8 (0-16) he will get fired. Let's see if he can win one, ball's in his court.

The problem with that is we are not getting a better coach in this cycle of coaching turnover. Jake went over the list of all the schools looking for coaches right now and it is long. There will be other schools added in the next month. We could seriously wind up with another Arnett situation if we pull the trigger too early.

Hiring a new coach is not going to miraculously make season sells go through the roof and fill Davis Wade next year or even guarantee us a winning season. There is section of fans that checked out years ago and they probably are not coming back no matter who the coach happens to be.

[msstate7]

But that interim is Bobby Petrino the former head coach of Arkansas and one of the premiere play callers in college football.

He is not coaching against John L. Smith or Chad Morris.

Ark is 121 of 136 in scoring D nationally.
Ark is 123 of 136 in total D nationally.

We have an offensive HC that's expected to get one of his best off players back this week. If Lebby is the guy being pumped around here, he should be able to get this one.

Since 2020, Bobby is 18-17 as a HC. This isn't prime Petrino anymore

[msstate7]

Pretty sad that some here are ready to justify a loss Saturday already while at the same time selling we have the right guy.

[TrapGame]

Ark is 121 of 136 in scoring D nationally.
Ark is 123 of 136 in total D nationally.

We have an offensive HC that's expected to get one of his best off players back this week. If Lebby is the guy being pumped around here, he should be able to get this one.

Since 2020, Bobby is 18-17 as a HC. This isn't prime Petrino anymore

I agree. We should win this game. That stadium will be less than half full too.

[Quaoarsking]

The problem with that is we are not getting a better coach in this cycle of coaching turnover. Jake went over the list of all the schools looking for coaches right now and it is long. There will be other schools added in the next month. We could seriously wind up with another Arnett situation if we pull the trigger too early.


There's no guarantee it will be any easier in the coaching carousel next year. There are dozens of successful G5/FCS head coaches we could hire that the elites aren't going to consider.

[Homedawg]

If he goes 0-8 (0-16) he will get fired. Let's see if he can win one, ball's in his court.

No he won't

[gtowndawg]

The problem with that is we are not getting a better coach in this cycle of coaching turnover. Jake went over the list of all the schools looking for coaches right now and it is long. There will be other schools added in the next month.

We need to navigate that very carefully for sure. We would need an Elon esque approach to this one...we can't just go out an hire a work connection from a previous employer. I don't think it's crazy to say it would be the most important hire we've ever made in our sports history considering the stakes. Lebby has yet another good opportunity for a win this Saturday. Will he get the job done? I don't know, we will see. Like many, I've taken my fan hat off now and I'm simply looking as a curious bystander to see if he can figure it out.

[MoreCowbell]

I honestly think people being loud about wanting him fired now are hurting the program. It?s probably why Lebby might want out. It is making the fanbase look dumb and unable to understand the nuances of the situation.

[Quaoarsking]

I honestly think people being loud about wanting him fired now are hurting the program. It?s probably why Lebby might want out. It is making the fanbase look dumb and unable to understand the nuances of the situation.

If Lebby wants to quit because Quaoarsking and msstate7 don't think 0-12 is good enough (not even the majority position on this board), then he just isn't mentally strong enough to be a head coach anywhere.

[msstate7]

If Lebby wants to quit because Quaoarsking and msstate7 don't think 0-12 is good enough (not even the majority position on this board), then he just isn't mentally strong enough to be a head coach anywhere.

lol, nailed it

[Maverick91]

Yeah. So. Um. What you said Cadavy.

No one on this board except for probably me and Tater thought this team could win more than 5 games this year at the start of the season. Here we are with the real idea that we could be 7-1 right now. (and honestly should be) what's crazy is if we weren't losing by nail bitters and just getting our crap beat into us, would that be better? I would think we would be happy to see we are this close. Crazy.

[gtowndawg]

I honestly think people being loud about wanting him fired now are hurting the program. It?s probably why Lebby might want out. It is making the fanbase look dumb and unable to understand the nuances of the situation.

Oh stop it lol. That argument has been brought up everytime we discuss firing someone. Lebby doesn't care what fans think, but he does care what administration and serious donors think. He's a big boy that we've made rich but the only person that can save Lebby at this point is Lebby. Win one game (one game for crying out loud) and save your job.

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah. So. Um. What you said Cadavy.

No one on this board except for probably me and Tater thought this team could win more than 5 games this year at the start of the season. Here we are with the real idea that we could be 7-1 right now. (and honestly should be) what's crazy is if we weren't losing by nail bitters and just getting our crap beat into us, would that be better? I would think we would be happy to see we are this close. Crazy.

I think you have to adjust your preseason expectations when it turns out Florida is a complete dumpster fire and Texas and Arch are way overrated.

[gtowndawg]

Yeah. So. Um. What you said Cadavy.

No one on this board except for probably me and Tater thought this team could win more than 5 games this year at the start of the season. Here we are with the real idea that we could be 7-1 right now. (and honestly should be) what's crazy is if we weren't losing by nail bitters and just getting our crap beat into us, would that be better? I would think we would be happy to see we are this close. Crazy.

It's a fair point and worthy of discussion. I predicted 5 wins before the season as well. But that prediction was made considering we had the second hardest schedule in the country. Turns out the schedule has been average after all. I think that's where the evaluation has turned against Lebby (as it should). I'll say it again, I'm all for the season playing out, if he can win one measly game (in 2 years) he keeps it. But if he goes 0-16 and the cherry on top is a skull dragging by Ole Miss in front of 25,000 rebel fans at Davis Wade...see ya!

[Coach34]

If he goes 0-8 (0-16) he will get fired. Let's see if he can win one, ball's in his court.

Ne he wont. It's not even being considered. Hell, Tebow was on TV Saturday talking about him as a COY candidate. Some of you guys are in LaLa Land

[Coursesuper]

Ne he wont. It's not even being considered. Hell, Tebow was on TV Saturday talking about him as a COY candidate. Some of you guys are in LaLa Land

I just can not understand how people do not comprehend the depth of the mess this staff was left. And just how much of a train wreck the AD administration was to put the program in the place it was.

[Coach34]

It's a fair point and worthy of discussion. I predicted 5 wins before the season as well. But that prediction was made considering we had the second hardest schedule in the country. Turns out the schedule has been average after all!

Yes, its plummeted all the way down to 14th

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/cfb/college-football-strength-of-schedule-2025/

[gtowndawg]

Ne he wont. It's not even being considered. Hell, Tebow was on TV Saturday talking about him as a COY candidate. Some of you guys are in LaLa Land

Yeah, 0-8 will get you coach of the year (eyeroll).

[gtowndawg]

Yes, its plummeted all the way down to 14th

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/cfb/college-football-strength-of-schedule-2025/

#30 https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2025-10-28

[Coach34]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume/sort/resume.avgsosrank/dir/asc


Here's 17

[shoeless joe]

Lebby won't be fired barring some ridiculous unforeseen situation. the team is better. i'm as disappointed as anyone about the last two weeks and throw in the tennessee game as well. one thing that absolutely has to get better, and Lebby can control, is situational football/attention to detail. those things are lacking going all the way back to the arizona state game. i was saying he needed to have a veteran "bench coach" at that time. it is a lot to deal with calling plays, planning the next possession, and also the situational in game stuff that a HC has to deal with.

as long as he doesn't lose the team another win is definitely doable and if it comes this weekend that could snowball into another victory. time will tell.

[NCDawg]

But that interim is Bobby Petrino the former head coach of Arkansas and one of the premiere play callers in college football.

He is not coaching against John L. Smith or Chad Morris.

Plus the fact they have a good QB that can throw and run. I can see him giving our defense a whole lot of problems, especially our DB's.

[gtowndawg]

as long as he doesn't lose the team another win is definitely doable and if it comes this weekend that could snowball into another victory. time will tell.

If he wins, he's in. All he has to do is go 1-15 in the SEC. He has yet another winable game Saturday, can he do it? We shall see, hopefully he can. If he does, then the attention turns to how to improve his staff (bring on an OC?) for next season because clearly he needs help from an overall management perspective.

[TrapGame]

We are going to run Lebby off bc we think we are something special in the college football world. He will go to a G5 school (with better foresight than us) with what he has learned here, make a few adjustments and changes to his coaching and offensive philosophies, win his ass off and wind up at a P4 school in three years working on a legit playoff bid.

And the same fans moaning and bitching about him now will be the same fans moaning and bitching that we got rid of him. You can write that in blood.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If he wins, he's in. All he has to do is go 1-15 in the SEC. He has yet another winable game Saturday, can he do it? We shall see, hopefully he can. If he does, then the attention turns to how to improve his staff (bring on an OC?) for next season because clearly he needs help from an overall management perspective.

He's not giving up playcalling unless it's to Kendall or Art. If he brings on someone it'll be in an analyst role, like MacIntyre and Rhoads. A few names I would look for to have interest:

Billy Napier
Mike Norvell
Sonny Cumbie
Mike Gundy

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are going to run Lebby off bc we think we are something special in the college football world. He will go to a G5 school (with better foresight than us) with what he has learned here, make a few adjustments and changes to his coaching and offensive philosophies, win his ass off and wind up at a P4 school in three years working on a legit playoff bid.

And the same fans moaning and bitching about him now will be the same fans moaning and bitching that we got rid of him. You can write that in blood.

Zac has a ton of patience and belief with Lebby. As long as Zac is here, Lebby is fine. Is it concerning that he isn't winning and closing out teams? Yes. But none of our actual big time boosters, not the ones who claim to be, are remotely concerned and understand we are trending in the right direction.

Also if Zac left, I have been led to believe that Terry Prentice would receive strong consideration for the job and he has equal faith in Jeff.

[TrapGame]

Zac has a ton of patience and belief with Lebby. As long as Zac is here, Lebby is fine. Is it concerning that he isn't winning and closing out teams? Yes. But none of our actual big time boosters, not the ones who claim to be, are remotely concerned and understand we are trending in the right direction.

Also if Zac left, I have been led to believe that Terry Prentice would receive strong consideration for the job and he has equal faith in Jeff.

That sounds great to me but you probably just sent a few on here into the vapors. I hope their fainting couches are close by.

[Santiago]

That sounds great to me but you probably just sent a few on here into the vapors. I hope their fainting couches are close by.

Why would you say something like that??

[TrapGame]

Why would you say something like that??

Like what?

That our administration knows more than the average piss ant fan on this board?

That we have people acting irrational to our current circumstances?

That we have people completely overreacting to the situation?

Again, like what?

[R2Dawg]

I honestly think people being loud about wanting him fired now are hurting the program. It?s probably why Lebby might want out. It is making the fanbase look dumb and unable to understand the nuances of the situation.

I agree with this. We are so much better everywhere and have a HC still learning. I'm as frustrated as anyone about the 3 losses this year that were easy wins just doing one of 20 things in any game but I've seen enough to feel good we are going in the right direction. We need to keep this momentum with recruiting and get a return on our two year investment. Starting over, just feels terrible right now. I don't want to wait 2 more years before we compete again.

Next year must be 6 wins as floor and bowling or go another direction.

[BrunswickDawg]

It's a fair point and worthy of discussion. I predicted 5 wins before the season as well. But that prediction was made considering we had the second hardest schedule in the country. Turns out the schedule has been average after all. I think that's where the evaluation has turned against Lebby (as it should). I'll say it again, I'm all for the season playing out, if he can win one measly game (in 2 years) he keeps it. But if he goes 0-16 and the cherry on top is a skull dragging by Ole Miss in front of 25,000 rebel fans at Davis Wade...see ya!

Ok - so it isn't the 2nd hardest at the moment. ESPN has us as the #14 SOS right now. Our losses are to their FPI #7 Texas, #8 A&M, #13 TN and #27 UF. Our FPI is 44 (right ahead of ASU at 45).
ESPN shows our remaining SOS as #4 - as we still have #6 UGA, #12 Ole Miss, #19 Mizzou, and #37 Arkansas. So, currently every SEC team we play is rated as better than us, and likely that our SOS ends up in the Top 10. IIRC - the only change is that ASU had a higher FPI then us when the season started.

[msstate7]

Ok - so it isn't the 2nd hardest at the moment. ESPN has us as the #14 SOS right now. Our losses are to their FPI #7 Texas, #8 A&M, #13 TN and #27 UF. Our FPI is 44 (right ahead of ASU at 45).
ESPN shows our remaining SOS as #4 - as we still have #6 UGA, #12 Ole Miss, #19 Mizzou, and #37 Arkansas. So, currently every SEC team we play is rated as better than us, and likely that our SOS ends up in the Top 10. IIRC - the only change is that ASU had a higher FPI than us when the season started.

You like FPI now?

[Brobi-wan]

“I’m tired of this, Grandpa”

[MoreCowbell]

If Lebby wants to quit because Quaoarsking and msstate7 don't think 0-12 is good enough (not even the majority position on this board), then he just isn't mentally strong enough to be a head coach anywhere.

It is more than just those two. There?s even a thread on tRant talking about how delirious State fans are wanting him fired. Even if he loses out firing him would be so moronic. Like we are by far the worst job in SEC because of how hard it is to win here especially now with NIL. Yeah let us fire a guy who has us going in the right direction, people will be beating down the door to coach here. Just retarded to want that.

[gtowndawg]

Even if he loses out firing him would be so moronic. Like we are by far the worst job in SEC because of how hard it is to win here especially now with NIL.

"Thanks for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated." - Mississippi State University

edited: I love you guys but my gosh, I just don't understand for the life of me how you go thru life so invested in a school and program that you see in such a negative light. Mississippi State has TONS of potential, the school, the city and yes the football program but man we just accept losing so easily. I honestly don't understand it.

[Wink&aPrayer]

I honestly think people being loud about wanting him fired now are hurting the program. It?s probably why Lebby might want out. It is making the fanbase look dumb and unable to understand the nuances of the situation.

How about pee-wee soccer in Tupelo or Belden?

[BrunswickDawg]

You like FPI now?

You would catch that lol.

So lets go to the current AP Poll - Losses to #2 A&M; #14 Tennessee; #20 Texas and unranked Florida. Still have #5 GA; #7 OM; #19 Mizzou; and unranked Arky on the schedule.
Pre-season this was #1 Texas; #19 A&M; #24 Tennessee; #15 Florida; #5 GA; #21 OM; Unranked Mizzou & Arky and we beat pre-season #11 ASU.

UF and Mizzou flip flop and ASU has been week to week ranked/unranked. That's not a whole lot of actual change, just perception of which team is where in the pecking order.

[Turfdawg67]

"Thanks for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated." - Mississippi State University

edited: I love you guys but my gosh, I just don't understand for the life of me how you go thru life so invested in a school and program that you see in such a negative light. Mississippi State has TONS of potential, the school, the city and yes the football program but man we just accept losing so easily. I honestly don't understand it.

Well, we've been losing my whole life basically, so why would I expect anything different. What's the definition of insanity again...

[CaptainObvious]

I don?t know if these message boards would qualify as a reasonable test sample, but if I had to guess, Right Now, the Fanbase is 60% Keep him another year
40% Cut him and move on even in this crazy coaching environment

IF, he does go 4-8 (0-8 SEC) I suspect that will flip to 60 want him gone.

By the way, since so many of yall say Last Year doesn?t count, did the NCAA erase last years results from our record? Is State the only program that isn?t counting last year?s results in our records?

In 2020, when Leach was forced to play a 10 game SEC schedule and managed to only win 3 of them, did that count against our record? It seems the only fair thing for the SEC to do is not even count those 8 losses for us and the 8 wins for our opponents!

It would have also been fair in 2020 to have all the other 13 teams play a 10 game SEC schedule but allow Po? Ol? MSU to only play 6 SEC games and 4 games against FBS teams. Seems like we are getting ripped off for having to keep playing the schedule they give us!!!😂😂😂😂

[Turfdawg67]

You would catch that lol.

So lets go to the current AP Poll - Losses to #2 A&M; #14 Tennessee; #20 Texas and unranked Florida. Still have #5 GA; #7 OM; #19 Mizzou; and unranked Arky on the schedule.
Pre-season this was #1 Texas; #19 A&M; #24 Tennessee; #15 Florida; #5 GA; #21 OM; Unranked Mizzou & Arky and we beat pre-season #11 ASU.

UF and Mizzou flip flop and ASU has been week to week ranked/unranked. That's not a whole lot of actual change, just perception of which team is where in the pecking order.

Don't throw stats at the stat guy. Lolz. His phone is smoking right now as he scours Google frantically.

[msstate7]

Don't throw stats at the stat guy. Lolz. His phone is smoking right now as he scours Google frantically.

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jtrw6m7s)

[confucius say]

I think you have to adjust your preseason expectations when it turns out Florida is a complete dumpster fire and Texas and Arch are way overrated.

But Mississippi and TN are better than people thought.

[confucius say]

Leach got a pass in year one.
So did lebby.
The upward trajectory is obvious, undeniable. But it has to turn into wins in November or by next year. I think it will if our fans will leave him the hell alone (like not booing our team in the first possession vs Texas).

[BrunswickDawg]

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jtrw6m7s)

Cheers brother - I'm sipping a glass of Jefferson's myself.

[msstate7]

Cheers brother - I'm sipping a glass of Jefferson's myself.

Cheers.

[Homedawg]

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jtrw6m7s)

That explains some. But not all......

[Turfdawg67]

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jtrw6m7s)

Hey, that’s not a Zima…

[msstate7]

Hey, that’s not a Zima…

That's the wife's. My zima was out, so I'm drinking high noons haha

[Todd4State]

I don?t know if these message boards would qualify as a reasonable test sample, but if I had to guess, Right Now, the Fanbase is 60% Keep him another year
40% Cut him and move on even in this crazy coaching environment

IF, he does go 4-8 (0-8 SEC) I suspect that will flip to 60 want him gone.

By the way, since so many of yall say Last Year doesn?t count, did the NCAA erase last years results from our record? Is State the only program that isn?t counting last year?s results in our records?

In 2020, when Leach was forced to play a 10 game SEC schedule and managed to only win 3 of them, did that count against our record? It seems the only fair thing for the SEC to do is not even count those 8 losses for us and the 8 wins for our opponents!

It would have also been fair in 2020 to have all the other 13 teams play a 10 game SEC schedule but allow Po? Ol? MSU to only play 6 SEC games and 4 games against FBS teams. Seems like we are getting ripped off for having to keep playing the schedule they give us!!!��������

I think part of MSU's fans issue is not understanding the environment and landscape of college football now.

For the 40% that are calling for a new coach they need to be donating more money to the NIL fund and encouraging other MSU fans to do the same.

It's crazy for MSU fans to say that they're Ok with a coach learning on the job when we first hire them and then get upset when they make mistakes....learning on the job.

MSU needs to prioritize getting better players and building better depth at this point. That's a big reason why we have lost most of our games- lack of depth. It's not the only reason but it's a big one.

[Quaoarsking]

It's crazy for MSU fans to say that they're Ok with a coach learning on the job when we first hire them and then get upset when they make mistakes....learning on the job.

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

[HoopsDawg]

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jtrw6m7s)

Hope you got a DD for the short bus.

[Todd4State]

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

It probably will be someone with experience whenever that time comes especially since Arnett failed massively before Lebby. Fans aren't going to be happy about three first year coaches in a row. At the same time, he is what he is and I remember a lot of fans saying that they expected there to be growing pains. And despite that, some are still upset about them.

FCS is too low. See Moorhead. Way too much variability in that league to assess. I would prefer someone from the AAC. It's the best G5 conference IMO and they have to play games that have national implications. It's a bit more rare to see that from a Sun Belt or C-USA team.

Also, experienced coaches are expected to bring players that can help right away in this era. Typically, you don't get as much of that with a coordinator hire. That's what Huff did at USM. Either way, it costs money and money must be spent on players.

[Coach34]

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

[Todd4State]

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

We absolutely could hire someone like Ryan Silverfield if we wanted too. Among others. We've had plenty of head coaches at other schools interested in our job before- see Mike Leach. Jeff Monken was very interested in our job. Gene Chizik was literally begging for our job.

With Lebby he was an exception in that I think Selmon really believes in him and also has familiarity with him. And I think he has done an OK job so far. As you have said before, no one was going to win with what we had in 2024.

[Quaoarsking]

We absolutely could hire someone like Ryan Silverfield if we wanted too. Among others. We've had plenty of head coaches at other schools interested in our job before- see Mike Leach. Jeff Monken was very interested in our job. Gene Chizik was literally begging for our job.

With Lebby he was an exception in that I think Selmon really believes in him and also has familiarity with him. And I think he has done an OK job so far. As you have said before, no one was going to win with what we had in 2024.

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

[Todd4State]

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

Alex Golesh and Eric Morris would be my top two. Our personnel fits their schemes and both have explosive offenses. Both took over major rebuilds and are now doing well.

[NCDawg]

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

I think Jon Sumrall, the current Tulane coach, wanted our job when it was open. Of course, Selmon wanted his buddy from Oklahoma and hired Lebby. Sumrall did a good job at Troy when he was Head Coach, and now is doing a good job at Tulane.

[TrapGame]

I think Jon Sumrall, the current Tulane coach, wanted our job when it was open. Of course, Selmon wanted his buddy from Oklahoma and hired Lebby. Sumrall did a good job at Troy when he was Head Coach, and now is doing a good job at Tulane.

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

[HoopsDawg]

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

Horrendous options. Both would be downgrades.

[Coach34]

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

Yeah- too many people never see this side of things or take it into account when making a hire

[msstate7]

Horrendous options. Both would be downgrades.

You have no idea. None of us do. Hard to say anyone is a downgrade from 0-12 in conf. Maybe Lebby gets a win this week, so a downgrade is even possible

[HoopsDawg]

You have no idea. None of us do. Hard to say anyone is a downgrade from 0-12 in conf. Maybe Lebby gets a win this week, so a downgrade is even possible

I know that bringing in a damn option coach would set us back a decade. I know that you and your boyfriend have a combined IQ of 50.

[msstate7]

I know that bringing in a damn option coach would set us back a decade. I know that you and your boyfriend have a combined IQ of 50.

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

[HoopsDawg]

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

No need to get catty.

[Quaoarsking]

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

Personally, I think gay people are pretty cool and didn't see it as an insult.

[NCDawg]

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

I think Selmon would have hired Lebby whether Sumrall would have signed the noncompete clause or not. I note he just signed an extension with Tulane and says he's not interested in the LSU job. Of course this is all speculation

[msstate7]

I think Selmon would have hired Lebby whether Sumrall would have signed the noncompete clause or not. I note he just signed an extension with Tulane and says he's not interested in the LSU job. Of course this is all speculation

Totally unfair to Sumrall, but after our def HC disaster, I sorta understand

[Maroon Glasses]

Lord please don't let us hire a coach that runs the triple option. I can't ever see that working in the SEC.

Personally I want to give Lebby another year. I get he is winless in the SEC. And I wouldn't be surprised if he still after Saturday. But I like the improvement I have seen from last year to this year. The most important thing our program needs is stability and we haven't had that since Mullen left.

[Cowbeller]

Our fanbase, represented perfectly by msstate7 and Quaoarsking, do not understand or refuse to acknowledge the concept of building something. Up and coming coaches have growing pains but it will work itself out in the end.

Expectation of immediate success and intermediate giving is what got us here. Going to have to buy into something eventually and be patient. Not saying not to be pissed off at sh*tty results but turnover isnt fixing that