Poll Question: Should we fire Lebby if we finish 4-8 (0-8)?

[Quaoarsking]

Regardless of the result, take note, Selmon. I know people from the Athletic Department read this board.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

[parabrave]

Nope he gets another year. But unless he starts developing KT then we will be worse next year. He is married to RPO and won't adjust to the players he has. BTW MVB looked dam good in mop up duty last night.

[EdwardDrayton]

If 0-16? Absolutely.

[War Machine Dawg]

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

[Quaoarsking]

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

[War Machine Dawg]

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

[Homedawg]

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

And who is the upgrade. Known upgrade??? Doesn't exist. Yes there might be a coach that is better. But it's going to be another assistant or some low level g6 guy that's a crapshoot. And we will get nobody in the portal this year in a change.

[Homedawg]

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking

[parabrave]

Should we? Yes. 0 for conference play in 2 years is inexcusable. No one starts that poorly and recovers to be successful. Fact is, he probably lost the players after the last two games. Yesterday would've been especially damaging. Blowing a 24 point lead at home to a blue blood will have players asking serious questions about whether or not Lebby knows what the hell he's doing or if he's all talk.

Will we? Probably not. We don't have the stones to make hard decisions when we can kick the can down the road and wait until the decision is obvious. It's the MSU Way.

But he's got one more chance next Saturday. Arkansas is terrible and a game we should win. If he finds a way to lose that, we should just leave him in Fayetteville. Pack up his office and have his stuff waiting outside the Bryan Building when he gets there after walking back.

If he loses to Arkansas, KT should start the last three games. No point in playing the Baylor Fraud when the season is over and he is out of eligibility.

But as I keep saying, the real problem is NIL. If we're not going to spend the money necessary to build a competitive roster with the proper depth, then it doesn't matter who is coaching. They'll be set up for failure. They may lose differently from and/or more competently than Lebby, but lose they will.

We're back to the Bad Old Days, barring one of two things happening: 1) There's real regulation and strict enforcement around NIL, possibly even some type of 'salary cap' for lack of a better term that evens the financial gap between the big boys and the smaller programs or 2) We luck into a couple of billionaire donors who are willing to bankroll football NIL at a competitive level. That's really about all we can hope for right now.

Yes, I'm black pilled on the current state of 'college' football. They've ruined what was the greatest sport in the country and turned it into the NFL Lite with no player contracts or compensation for players leaving in free agency.

One worry from some sports peeps is that Wall street Hedge funds getting involved. Now that will destroy the sport.

[Quaoarsking]

So should Vandy have fired Clark Lea??? Just asking

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

I cannot defend 0-16

[War Machine Dawg]

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

Exactly. No coach you can name that's worth a damn started 0 for conference play in his first two years. Mostly because they get fired for that kind of performance. The few that got more time were all fired shortly thereafter because they never really turned it around.

[Dawgology]

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

[Coach34]

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

And then 0-8 in Y3

[Pancho]

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first

[Todd4State]

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

For the record the people that brought in O'Connor were mostly former baseball players and one MLB agent who made millions in MLB.

It wasn't like some random millionaires in Jackson or something like that.

[Todd4State]

Should we? We should heavily consider if an obvious upgrade is available.

Will we? Absolutely not.

This is my answer.

[Homedawg]

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

Then went 2-10 0-8 his third year. So????

[DownwardDawg]

get KT to grasp what is involved with the P in RPO first

KT will be a stud in a Malzahn/Mullen spread offense. Gonna be fun watching him wherever he is next season.

[Homedawg]

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.
That just not true. Sounds good but not true.

[DownwardDawg]

This is my answer.

Me too.

[Thick]

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

[Catfish]

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

I totally agree with this.

[Quaoarsking]

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

[Homedawg]

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

He didn't mention Toledo. But our talent was trash last year. Trash. You and mstate cans keep kicking the shit out of the dead horse. We get your stances.

[Dawgology]

That just not true. Sounds good but not true.

I’ve got a close friend in fundraising at the University of Alabama. He’s high up in the ranks and well connected. He started at state. You can pretend it’s not true and take the po’ ol’ State route if you want but I’ve got it from the horses mouth. It’s true. We are ill organized when it comes to football fundraising. It’s one of the reasons he left.

[Thick]

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

That?s how bad our talent was!! What?s delusional is thinking you should shit can him! One more thing?..I will scream this at the top of my lungs. You can?t take a freshman QB from this state and expect him to be successful in this league. That?s DELUSIONAL!! Plus our fanbase would roast his ass immediately, and call Lebby an idiot for starting him.

[bulldawg28]

Ole Miss, and especially Vandy, have boosters that are much wealthier than ours. We have the Dollar General version of Cigar Boys. And OM's boosters have always been all-in on football in a way ours haven't. Vandy's boosters have historically not cared, but that appears to have changed with NIL and baseball showing them they can be competitive if they play the same game as everyone else in the conference, even with their academic restrictions.

Our losses have nothing to do with NIL, nada. This year showed us that we have enough NIL to compete and win.

[Coursesuper]

That just not true. Sounds good but not true.

But it makes them feel good to repeat this to each other. If they say it enough it has to be true. Cant let that pesky reality get in the way.

[Coursesuper]

I’ve got a close friend in fundraising at the University of Alabama. He’s high up in the ranks and well connected. He started at state. You can pretend it’s not true and take the po’ ol’ State route if you want but I’ve got it from the horses mouth. It’s true. We are ill organized when it comes to football fundraising. It’s one of the reasons he left.

Were. And thankfully that administration is no more and things are beginning to come together. This is a huge and not 17ing it up is paramount. That said we do not have a bottomless pit of funding. Sadly none of the Drummonds went to school here.

[Maverick91]

We have plenty of very wealthy alumni. We don’t court them. The ones we do are more interested in baseball. It’s sad.

Like is 🍣 getting things together to court them?

[Quaoarsking]

That?s how bad our talent was!! What?s delusional is thinking you should shit can him! One more thing?..I will scream this at the top of my lungs. You can?t take a freshman QB from this state and expect him to be successful in this league. That?s DELUSIONAL!! Plus our fanbase would roast his ass immediately, and call Lebby an idiot for starting him.

I've never called for a freshman QB to play, so I don't know who your comment is directed at.

[Quaoarsking]

Fascinating how it's over 80% "No" here and majority "Yes" on Sixpack.

[Behrdawg]

Without question.

[MoreCowbell]

No. We have had some real let downs but you can?t ignore the progress made. As long as we continue to progress and build you keep him.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm not as pessimistic as you long-term, because our former peers Vanderbilt and Ole Miss are headed to the playoffs, and we would be in the mix too if Lebby was a better coach, even with this exact same roster.

Maybe, just maybe we didn?t get blown out by UT, UF and UT BECAUSE of Lebby? We all know their roster on paper is much better than ours.

[Turfdawg67]

And then 0-8 in Y3

Oh my. Good thing they saw something in him.

[Turfdawg67]

I’m voting no, but it’ll really depend on how those final 4 defeats happen.

[Quaoarsking]

Maybe, just maybe we didn?t get blown out by UT, UF and UT BECAUSE of Lebby? We all know their roster on paper is much better than ours.

You can argue that for Tennessee, but Florida is a bad and terribly coached team that has played everyone close, and Texas has also been underperforming all year. I wasn't surprised we were close with those, but I was surprised that we were lined up to win before Lebby blew it.

Is any Kentucky fan impressed with Stoops for losing to Texas in overtime? Did beating Florida help Brian Kelly keep his job? Nobody else is taking Florida or Texas seriously, so why should we accept self-inflected losses to them?

[Coach34]

Last season doesn’t even count for Lebby. You guys are beating a ghost that isn’t there

[Bdawg]

Clark Lea went from 0-8 in year 1 to 2-6 in year 2. If Lebby does that, nobody will be calling for his firing.

Lea wouldn?t have made it past year 3 around here though.

[Quaoarsking]

Lea wouldn?t have made it past year 3 around here though.

To be fair, Lea wouldn't have made it past year 3 at almost any power 4 school. Congrats to Vanderbilt for having it work out, but that's a really unusual thing to happen.

[Bdawg]

Our losses have nothing to do with NIL, nada. This year showed us that we have enough NIL to compete and win.

We put a solid starting team together. But we cant overcome injuries in key places. OL, our best DLman, and our best RB hurts bad. Depth has hurt in the 4th quarter and that where we fall short on NIL. Plus, great DL, Ts, and QBs cost a crap ton.

[msstate7]

And if Lebby is 0-9 next season, are you guys gonna stump for him then bc of Lea?

[Quaoarsking]

And if Lebby is 0-9 next season, are you guys gonna stump for him then bc of Lea?

It's quasi-religious the level of attachment some posters have for Lebby. I've never seen it in real life, just on message boards.

[msstate7]

We put a solid starting team together. But we cant overcome injuries in key places. OL, our best DLman, and our best RB hurts bad. Depth has hurt in the 4th quarter and that where we fall short on NIL. Plus, great DL, Ts, and QBs cost a crap ton.

Ehhhh.... personal foul, hurry up offense in running clock time, and punting to the best PR guy in the country lost the game, not depth

[Bdawg]

To be fair, Lea wouldn't have made it past year 3 at almost any power 4 school. Congrats to Vanderbilt for having it work out, but that's a really unusual thing to happen.

Guess they were smart enough to either see something in him or know they weren’t hiring a proven sitting HC

[Bdawg]

Ehhhh.... personal foul, hurry up offense in running clock time, and punting to the best PR guy in the country lost the game, not depth

Those played a factor too. We are also getting our asses whipped in the fourth when it matters. Our OL got worse and the defense too. You can’t just have 22 guys. Whitson and Fluff hurt us bad.

[Bdawg]

And if Lebby is 0-9 next season, are you guys gonna stump for him then bc of Lea?

Not my decision but I doubt I would be very happy we kept him. Guess it depends on if our boosters help him build another decent team or give him more money or less money. Less money will only make it harder. Vandy was just smart enough to see something in him or maybe, just maybe, they went out and spent some money to get some better players and a qb.

[msstate7]

Not my decision but I doubt I would be very happy we kept him. Guess it depends on if our boosters help him build another decent team or give him more money or less money. Less money will only make it harder. Vandy was just smart enough to see something in him or maybe, just maybe, they went out and spent some money to get some better players and a qb.

I think he just hit an inside straight on the draw. Their qb wasn't supposed to be this good, but he is, and for that, Lea should be given credit. It isn't like they went out and outbid sec programs for him though

[SPMT]

You can?t hold him accountable for last year! NOW, this is his second year, and we are 10k times better. If you told me at the beginning of the season, that we would be 4-0 after our first 4, and then tell me that we could/should be 7-1 or 6-2 thru 8 I would have told you to 17 off. SO, I think we can win 2 games. If the last 3 games haven?t opened your eyes to what he has done after what he was dealt, well I think you?re nuts. He needs to hire an OC, and he needs to be coached during the game on clock management and short yardage packages. He should take some pointers from Kiffin on short yardage. He deserves 3 years, but Selmon needs to ?urge? him to hire an OC.

This is where I am.

Lebby is abhorrently bad at head coach during a game. It?s crystal clear.

He must improve, he can call and setup explosive plays pretty well. The roster is good or we wouldn?t have had these terrible losses. He needs depth on the roster.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby is abhorrently bad at head coach during a game. It?s crystal clear.

It just baffles me that someone can believe this but also want to keep Lebby around.

[Bdawg]

I think he just hit an inside straight on the draw. Their qb wasn't supposed to be this good, but he is, and for that, Lea should be given credit. It isn't like they went out and outbid sec programs for him though

Yeah he has really panned out for them. But they have spent money elsewhere too. They have a pretty dang good team. Will be interesting to see how things go the next few years.

[SPMT]

It just baffles me that someone can believe this but also want to keep Lebby around.

I think he should go but I also believe the timing has to be right. Sadly, I hear we had more NIL and that has gotten us onky 2 more wins. Getting commitment for even more NIL for next year will be very difficult.

Let?s see if he loses the locker room.if he does it?s over, regardless.

[Todd4State]

KT will be a stud in a Malzahn/Mullen spread offense. Gonna be fun watching him wherever he is next season.

He's going to be a stud in a Veer and Shoot offense too.

[Todd4State]

"You can't blame Lebby for getting humiliated by Toledo because our talent was THAT bad" is a delusional and indefensible position to take.

OK. So apples to apples how did we do against Northern Illinois this year?

[Quaoarsking]

OK. So apples to apples how did we do against Northern Illinois this year?

He beat them, just like Arnett beat Western Michigan in 2023.

[Dawgology]

There’s no way I would fire Lebby this season. Not because he’s a good coach but because the competition will be insane on the coaching carousel. Based on his decision making thus far I would imagine we will have a football coaching search start up in Nov’ of 26.

[Todd4State]

And if Lebby is 0-9 next season, are you guys gonna stump for him then bc of Lea?

Hell no. And that's the difference. The rational people that I have seen on here have acknowledged the issues and have set a boundary for what is acceptable and not acceptable at this point based on the situation. And almost everyone has said that if by next year he still can't win you pull the plug. I think that's very reasonable.

I haven't seen anyone that I would say is blindly loyal to Lebby.

[Quaoarsking]

There’s no way I would fire Lebby this season. Not because he’s a good coach but because the competition will be insane on the coaching carousel. Based on his decision making thus far I would imagine we will have a football coaching search start up in Nov’ of 26.

I think you're probably going to get your way, but I just can't wrap my head around being OK with having yet another bad season in 2026 (4th straight out of a bowl) just for the possibility of maybe the coaching carousel being easier then. Who's to say Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, and Michigan won't be looking for new coaches a year from now?

[Todd4State]

He beat them, just like Arnett beat Western Michigan in 2023.

And we dominated them a lot more than Arnett did. Which shows improvement from last year to this year and from when Arnett was our coach.

[Dawgology]

Hell no. And that's the difference. The rational people that I have seen on here have acknowledged the issues and have set a boundary for what is acceptable and not acceptable at this point based on the situation. And almost everyone has said that if by next year he still can't win you pull the plug. I think that's very reasonable.

I haven't seen anyone that I would say is blindly loyal to Lebby.

So we shooting for 5-7, 1-8 in the SEC next year and we keep him? Lol

[Quaoarsking]

And we dominated them a lot more than Arnett did. Which shows improvement from last year to this year and from when Arnett was our coach.

OK. Lebby beat a non-bowling MAC team 38-10 instead of 41-28. That's ... something?

[Dawgology]

OK. Lebby beat a non-bowling MAC team 38-10 instead of 41-28. That's ... something?

They will continue to move the goal posts.

[Todd4State]

I think you're probably going to get your way, but I just can't wrap my head around being OK with having yet another bad season in 2026 (4th straight out of a bowl) just for the possibility of maybe the coaching carousel being easier then. Who's to say Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, and Michigan won't be looking for new coaches a year from now?

No one is OK with it. I think if the team wasn't clearly improving then more people would be on the fire him wagon. That improvement happened because we added to our NIL and to our team. But we know we're not quite there yet but we're obviously pretty close. So, most of the rational people see that and think "gee, maybe if we add a few more players to what we are doing that should be enough to get us over the hump." This is very different than Moorhead where the team seemed to gradually get worse and we had some embarrassing issues like Tutor Gate and the Gay/Shrader fight.

That's more of than what is potentially on the coaching carousel which is already obviously going to be wild. But who we could potentially get absolutely is a factor. And odds are it won't be as wild next year. I think what we are seeing now is a byproduct of schools waiting to see what would happen with the house settlement otherwise a lot of these changes would have happened already.

I think it's also important to try to establish some stability because we haven't had that since Leach passed away. Because if we can do that then we will be in a much better position to get a better coach. It's not just about making a change. It's about giving MSU the best chance to succeed in the long run. Being knee jerk and replacing the coach because he had a bad game isn't always the answer.

[Todd4State]

So we shooting for 5-7, 1-8 in the SEC next year and we keep him? Lol

No. I think it depends on how next year plays out as well though. If he does go 5-7 and we keep losing games we have a chance to win in then I think we should make a change. I don't think he has to just win one game. Next year will be different because we have an easier schedule and we should have a better team. All of that factors in. It's not that black and white.

[Todd4State]

OK. Lebby beat a non-bowling MAC team 38-10 instead of 41-28. That's ... something?

Considering that we lost to a MAC team the year before and played a lot better in the game- yes, I would say it's something.

We also beat a 6-2 USM team easily this year on the road led by the coach some people want to replace Lebby with for some weird reason.

[CaptainObvious]

Whether y'all like it or not, if Lbby goes 4-8 after starting 4-0 non conference, and is retained, next year could end up being worse. The money support will be a lot less. He will not get an extension making it hard to recruit for a possible lame duck.1/2 the Fanbase will be gone to the house, not buying tickets or buying game day gear. It is going to be ugly in 2026 and he will have to win with less than he has working for him this year, both financially and talent wise!

Like it or not, 6-18(0-16) after 2 years with 2 of those 6 wins being against FCS schools is a bad look and will lose support

[CaptainObvious]

No. I think it depends on how next year plays out as well though. If he does go 5-7 and we keep losing games we have a chance to win in then I think we should make a change. I don't think he has to just win one game. Next year will be different because we have an easier schedule and we should have a better team. All of that factors in. It's not that black and white.

Except.... we don't have an easier schedule next year. 😳😳

[Quaoarsking]

Except.... we don't have an easier schedule next year. ����

There's just no way to say right now. 7 of our 9 SEC opponents next year are currently ranked, but Vanderbilt, Missouri, Ole Miss, etc., might take a step back next year. Or maybe they'll stay good and Auburn will get good too.

[Coach34]

Who's to say Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, and Michigan won't be looking for new coaches a year from now?

Hahahahahahahahaha. The candidates they would be considering and the ones we have to consider aren’t in the same room. We would be fine if that were to be the case

[Quaoarsking]

Hahahahahahahahaha. The candidates they would be considering and the ones we have to consider aren’t in the same room. We would be fine if that were to be the case

I don't know who you're laughing at, because we are on the same side here...

[maroonmania]

Ehhhh.... personal foul, hurry up offense in running clock time, and punting to the best PR guy in the country lost the game, not depth

And that doesn't count the 4 points we gave away by committing a PF on a made FG that then became a TD. Geez, we do stupid stuff.

[Turfdawg67]

Hell no. And that's the difference. The rational people that I have seen on here have acknowledged the issues and have set a boundary for what is acceptable and not acceptable at this point based on the situation. And almost everyone has said that if by next year he still can't win you pull the plug. I think that's very reasonable.

I haven't seen anyone that I would say is blindly loyal to Lebby.

Exactly. No one is in the Cult of Lebby, we just have eyes. Just because the OP "saw the light" Saturday night, he can't understand why we don't all grab our pitchforks and torches like he has.

[1eyedog]

If DOG faithful want to go out and try to find a coach in a year when SEVERAL other BIG SCHOOLS will be looking to hire......then our fans are more ignorant than that school up north accuses us of being......and that’s SCREAMING IGNORANCE....please use your critical thinking abilities.....

[Quaoarsking]

If your answer is, "I think he's done well enough to earn a third year," fair enough.

But "I would normally fire him, but I'm a little too scared of the coaching carousel that I just can't go through with it" is a pathetic position to take. This may be the new normal in college football anyway. You never know if it will be any easier next year or not.