Our NIL donors did their part. Lebby let them down.

[Quaoarsking]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

[DEDawg]

Nobody is saying that you are being dramatic. We should have won the last 2 and both fall on Lebby. We also are not playing with the same resources the rest of the league is and that is a handicap. We cannot fire coaches every 2 years we don’t have the resources to reset whenever.

[Quaoarsking]

Nobody is saying that you are being dramatic. We should have won the last 2 and both fall on Lebby. We also are not playing with the same resources the rest of the league is and that is a handicap. We cannot fire coaches every 2 years we don’t have the resources to reset whenever.

It's bad to change coaches every 2 years, but even worse to not change coaches when we all kinda know that we need to. Why give Lebby another year to miss a bowl again when we have proven that we can put together NIL packages to have a team that can make one?

[BrunswickDawg]

You know so much, I bet your grandpa is one of the ones that insisted we fire Allyn McKeen.

[DownwardDawg]

They won't spend as much this offseason. No return on investment. We'll replace him after next year then the next coach gets a chance when we spend again.

[Coursesuper]

You know so much, I bet your grandpa is one of the ones that insisted we fire Allyn McKeen.

Well done sir, top shelf, have some rep.

[Quaoarsking]

You know so much, I bet your grandpa is one of the ones that insisted we fire Allyn McKeen.

TIL Jeff Lebby's 6-14 (0-12) resume is equivalent to Allyn McKeen's 65-19 (29-16) resume. Like Jesus Christ, this Lebby fandom is turning into a cult with some of you.

[Political Hack]

I think some people, myself included, see such a huge improvement on the field that we're being reasonable about giving it more time to see if the improvement continues. I don't think he's capped what he can accomplish here. In fact, I'd say he's just getting started. This knee jerk "fire the coach" and "bench the QB" fanaticism is expected for sure, but our AD and President can't act like that or we'll never get anywhere.

A&M thumped us. Outside of that, we've matched up and challenged every team we've played. A massive improvement on any season since Leach passed awat.

[Quaoarsking]

I think some people, myself included, see such a huge improvement on the field that we're being reasonable about giving it more time to see if the improvement continues. I don't think he's capped what he can accomplish here. In fact, I'd say he's just getting started. This knee jerk "fire the coach" and "bench the QB" fanaticism is expected for sure, but our AD and President can't act like that or we'll never get anywhere.

A&M thumped us. Outside of that, we've matched up and challenged every team we've played. A massive improvement on any season since Leach passed awat.

If we want to stop playing teams close and start winning these games, we need to replace the people who are causing us to lose. Lately, it's been Jeff Lebby.

[HoopsDawg]

If we want to stop playing teams close and start winning these games, we need to replace the people who are causing us to lose. Lately, it's been Jeff Lebby.

Man, I wish you would stop posting. Or take a little break. You have dumbed down this board to unreadable proportions.

[TrapGame]

I think some people, myself included, see such a huge improvement on the field that we're being reasonable about giving it more time to see if the improvement continues. I don't think he's capped what he can accomplish here. In fact, I'd say he's just getting started. This knee jerk "fire the coach" and "bench the QB" fanaticism is expected for sure, but our AD and President can't act like that or we'll never get anywhere.

A&M thumped us. Outside of that, we've matched up and challenged every team we've played. A massive improvement on any season since Leach passed awat.

Exactly. Well said Hack.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

All I will say is **** you Bob Sanders whoever the hell you were for getting Allyn McKeen fired. Who knows where we would be today without that debacle. We are cursed to misery and disappointment

[Quaoarsking]

Man, I wish you would stop posting. Or take a little break. You have dumbed down this board to unreadable proportions.

Lebby almost shut me up last night but then reverted back to his usual ѕhitty self.

[BrunswickDawg]

TIL Jeff Lebby's 6-14 (0-12) resume is equivalent to Allyn McKeen's 65-19 (29-16) resume. Like Jesus Christ, this Lebby fandom is turning into a cult with some of you.

Ah yes because YOU know so much you've IDd 5736384949 other football coaches just dying to take our job.

I'm a Lebby agnostic. Most people said coming into the season that we could be vastly improved and still go 4-8 and to be prepared. And that's how it looks it may play out. We are that far behind in NIL and resources and leads to lesser players. It's 1 thing I agree with C34 on. We are cheap, our fans are cheap, and we have never invested and gone all in on football. And right now, that's kicking our asses more than our players and coaches mistakes. It's why we had to settle for Lebby to begin with. It's why we have boneheaded cast off players. And it's why so many football diehards are so jealous of baseball - the one segment of our fanbase that ain't cheap.

[Coursesuper]

All I will say is **** you Bob Sanders whoever the hell you were for getting Allyn McKeen fired. Who knows where we would be today without that debacle. We are cursed to misery and disappointment

Delta alumnus at the time. I happen to have had the privilege of knowing a man that was with coach McKeen when that all happened. These fellas were all sitting together and a guy came in and said Coach, Coach Noble wants to see you. McKeen was like what the hell now. So he walks in the office and there sit Noble and a couple of delta alumni, Noble demands that McKeen switch offenses to the T formation right now. McKeen says I don?t have the personnel yet but I will in a year, that gives us time to install and work out the kinks for the following season. Noble said nope now and fired him. This is exactly the kind of behavior that we must avoid. Those that don?t know and study history are doomed to repeat it.

[Quaoarsking]

Most people said coming into the season that we could be vastly improved and still go 4-8 and to be prepared. And that's how it looks it may play out..

The thinking behind this was that Lebby would be a competent coach, but it just wouldn't be enough to overcome the talent gap. That's NOT what is actually playing out at all. The talent is actually good enough, despite the NIL gap, and Lebby is personally costing us wins with his incompetence.

It's OK that we didn't see this coming. We just have to stop being in denial about it and do what we need to do for the program. Lebby is never going to be the guy to make the playoffs here, or even be in the mix for them in November. He just doesn't have it. Rich programs can accumulate enough talent to overcome a mediocre coach, but we can't.

[Political Hack]

If we want to stop playing teams close and start winning these games, we need to replace the people who are causing us to lose. Lately, it's been Jeff Lebby.

I don't disagree that changes should be made in terms of how we're handling clutch time situations, but you have to give the staff a chance to learn and make adjustments. The Florida game should've been managed like a pro game (play for the FG and win on the final play), but he managed it like a high school game (get as close as you can for an easier FG attempt or score the TD). He won't do that again.

[gtowndawg]

The thinking behind this was that Lebby would be a competent coach, but it just wouldn't be enough to overcome the talent gap. That's NOT what is actually playing out at all. The talent is actually good enough, despite the NIL gap, and Lebby is personally costing us wins with his incompetence.

It's OK that we didn't see this coming. We just have to stop being in denial about it and do what we need to do for the program. Lebby is never going to be the guy to make the playoffs here, or even be in the mix for them in November. He just doesn't have it. Rich programs can accumulate enough talent to overcome a mediocre coach, but we can't.

Exactly. And out vaulted schedule that was impossible is currently sitting at #40 in the country and he still can't win. Fire Lebby, he sucks.

[Cowbeller]

All I will say is **** you Bob Sanders whoever the hell you were for getting Allyn McKeen fired. Who knows where we would be today without that debacle. We are cursed to misery and disappointment

Say what you will but at least our fanbases stupidity is consistent.

[Coursesuper]

Say what you will but at least our fanbases stupidity is consistent.

The amount of damage a few can do is astounding. And we seem fit to do it over and again.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

Nope. In the REAL world Tx has what.. 20 5 star players and 40 plus 4 stars? That's reality.

We have the smallest NIL budget in the SEC and you want top 10 results for that. I hate the world of college football due to this crap, but if we are going to have a team, then you have 2 options. Accept the results and always know we are not going to win. OR demand we put more money into recruiting. Coaching is not going to make up for a gassed Defense in the 4th. Coaching isn't going to make up for the lack of talent in part of the DBs. Coaching isn't going to make up for a young OL not picking up blocks.

The only answer is spend it to win it or just accept what we are going to be without it.

[Quaoarsking]

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

[Todd4State]

Delta alumnus at the time. I happen to have had the privilege of knowing a man that was with coach McKeen when that all happened. These fellas were all sitting together and a guy came in and said Coach, Coach Noble wants to see you. McKeen was like what the hell now. So he walks in the office and there sit Noble and a couple of delta alumni, Noble demands that McKeen switch offenses to the T formation right now. McKeen says I don?t have the personnel yet but I will in a year, that gives us time to install and work out the kinks for the following season. Noble said nope now and fired him. This is exactly the kind of behavior that we must avoid. Those that don?t know and study history are doomed to repeat it.

That sounds familiar.

[gtowndawg]

Coaching is not going to make up for a gassed Defense in the 4th.

Yea, it can. Get some first downs.

[gtowndawg]

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

Yep.

[Brobi-wan]

Okay…so we fire Lebby. Who are you hiring to fire year after next?

[Todd4State]

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

[DEDawg]

The thinking behind this was that Lebby would be a competent coach, but it just wouldn't be enough to overcome the talent gap. That's NOT what is actually playing out at all. The talent is actually good enough, despite the NIL gap, and Lebby is personally costing us wins with his incompetence.

It's OK that we didn't see this coming. We just have to stop being in denial about it and do what we need to do for the program. Lebby is never going to be the guy to make the playoffs here, or even be in the mix for them in November. He just doesn't have it. Rich programs can accumulate enough talent to overcome a mediocre coach, but we can't.

How did you determine it's the talent that is so good, and not the coaching of lesser talent? Lebby no doubt screwed us out of the past 2 wins, but he also seems to be Mullen-esque in identifying talent and squeezing a ton out of it.

If we fire Lebby, we start all over again next year. Gutted roster, new coach that was our 4th option, 3 wins. Why do that when he is showing massive improvement YoY? The mistakes he's made we just have to accept as growing pain, and that's what comes with being an MSU fan and we need to hire first time HCs instead of poaching from others. It's gonna take a minute.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I've never said I "want top 10 results." I want a coach who doesn't make stupid coaching mistakes that cause us to lose. 9 days ago, I was fine with Lebby, but now he's burned us twice.

Name the play yesterday that cost us the game. We were up 17. What caused the loss. It can not be 1 play. So list them.

You want Lane Kiffin? He screwed up twice yesterday.... majorly. On the road against a ranked SEC team. Want one like him? Maybe one like Kelly who has a great roster but can't get it done. Maybe you want Lea.... He's done great right. But he didn't his first 4 years. In his first 3 he only won 2 sec games. BUT MONEY... MONEY came in and they purchased players. How much? Well, Nashville media stated he turned down 4 million to leave.

Not to mention, you fire Lebby and we will have fired 2 coaches every 1.5 years. Zero stability in that. We will lose part of the roster, especially the productive WRs and RBs. Then you spend what?? 15 million to buy the staff out? Then you have to find a coach and he has to start all the way bck over with a depleted roster.

There is zero logic to getting rid of a coach that has this roster competing against teams that spent 3 to 5 times as us. Take the 15 million in buy out and buy 4 Million dollar OL and 4 500K OL. Do the same on defense. Bring in 2, ready to play QBs.... Try to be competitive in spending because that's the only way we are going to get results. We are in the SEC. It's crazy in this era to think just a good coach will win with what we have.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yea, it can. Get some first downs.

You don't think the OL gets tired? Have you seen our rotation? They allowed 4 sacks in the 4th and OT. 4. They did a horrible job run blocking in the 4th.

[BlackSailsDawg]

And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

This is the way

[Quaoarsking]

And look- no one is saying we can't. I don't know where you came up with that. Most of us that want to be patient are saying let's invest more money in football and get better players because look at the progress we have made. And many like me have advocated getting an assistant head coach to help Lebby with decision making. None of that is unreasonable or unrealistic.

If we got a new coach it's going to cost MSU buyout money- I don't know what Lebby's is but let's say it's a million. I believe it's probably more but that's besides the point. Then we have to get a new coach and I'm sure whoever we get is going to get paid 3 million +. But let's say it's 3. Then buying out assistants and bringing in new assistants that's probably another 2 million for all of that.

So low ball number were at 6 million dollars. I personally would much rather see us invest that in NIL and an assistant head coach which would be a small part of that and that in and of itself would get us to 20+ million dollars. That 5 million could buy us 2 more offensive linemen and defensive linemen that could have made the difference in the game last night and in the other games.

MSU fans focus way too much on the head coach and scheme and not enough on the players on the team. We give our coach a roster with less talent and then get pissed off when it doesn't work. That's the problem.

And yeah- if we do the above and it's year 3 and Lebby still can't win by all means fire him. But if that happens at least we have a 20 million dollar NIL budget we can sell and have shown reasonable patience.

I'd rather spend extra money on a competent coach. Who is going to give to the NIL fund when we have a coach who is just going to squander it? Every single person who donated this year wasted their money. I can't imagine that our total NIL amount is going to be any higher in 2026 than it was in 2025, but maybe it would be with a new coach we could feel more confident in. Even if not, I'd rather find a guy who can do more with less, than Lebby who does less with less.

[Quaoarsking]

Okay…so we fire Lebby. Who are you hiring to fire year after next?

Jesus Christ, I have a thread on this with 16 names that I believe would be upgrades from Lebby and that we could plausibly get.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Name the play yesterday that cost us the game. We were up 17. What caused the loss. It can not be 1 play. So list them.



It was one of 3 plays take your pick

Dumbass number 6 with his late hit on Arch and I truly believe this is the biggest and the reason for the loss.

Then the other two would be deciding to punt the ball to 21 rather than punt it out of bounds and then the dumbass penalty on the early field goal that led to a touchdown

But number 6 and his dumbass penalty is the biggest to me

[Coursesuper]

I'd rather spend extra money on a competent coach. Who is going to give to the NIL fund when we have a coach who is just going to squander it? Every single person who donated this year wasted their money. I can't imagine that our total NIL amount is going to be any higher in 2026 than it was in 2025, but maybe it would be with a new coach we could feel more confident in. Even if not, I'd rather find a guy who can do more with less, than Lebby who does less with less.

Tell you what, you and Mrsstate7 form yall an LLC, use the baseball model and raise the 30 to 50 million it will take to turn all this over. Then like baseball, use your unique ability and contacts and run a very deep and private search, and put together the next staff and NIL. I?m sure with all the connections you have you can get up with the AD and make it happen. Just in case you need directions, the ADs office is on the top floor south end of the Bryan building. And the Presidents office is on the top floor east end of Lee Hall. You might want to drop Sid an email before you show up for that one. You seem to have this one all figured out. We will all just sit back grab a bourbon and spectate.
I have no doubt that one way or the other it will end spectacularly.

[Coursesuper]

That sounds familiar.

Amazing is it not. Never learn from past mistakes. Hubris and arrogance prevail.

[BlackSailsDawg]

It was one of 3 plays take your pick

Dumbass number 6 with his late hit on Arch and I truly believe this is the biggest and the reason for the loss.

Then the other two would be deciding to punt the ball to 21 rather than punt it out of bounds and then the dumbass penalty on the early field goal that led to a touchdown

But number 6 and his dumbass penalty is the biggest to me

#6 cost his team. That's not on Lebby.

The Punt return is on a lack of depth. We don't put players at risk that are needed elsewhere. That's team management. Stonk has redshirted and he did have coverage duties until then. He had the speed to get down there. But yes, the kick out ran the coverage. We need quality guys on depth to make coverage on returns better.

The chop block. That was a player issue. He cost his team.


No team is ever going to play 100% clean football. We just ain't got the talent and depth to over come those.

[Brobi-wan]

Jesus Christ, I have a thread on this with 16 names that I believe would be upgrades from Lebby and that we could plausibly get.

That’s fine. Maybe another coach will win 1 SEC game. Then when we’re 1-8 for two years in a row we will want to fire them too. I don’t see a path where we can fire the coach AND pay to flip the roster. That doesn’t include what it will cost to hire the rest of the staff. I do not think it’s a smart business decision. Like it or not, this sport is a business now. You’re right that we should not be happy with these results, but you can’t fire CEO when you’re seeing improvement. We’re 100% better than we were last year.

Maybe you know more about what we have on hand than I do.

[1eyedog]

I?ve watched ALOT of fball over my lifetime...Bellard losing two EB?s going conservative late in the game. I saw it with Felker in the mud bowl, I didn?t see it with Croom till the memphis bowl and the worst game i ever witnessed although I really questioned WHY we hired him, I didn’t with DM going for the win over LSU that failed but i thought was a great call. I was concerned when I watched JWS his second year in ox and the year when Tubby and JL Dunn won in Dogtown plus the debacle in Memphis with the academy. I really think Lebby has done incredible things in two short years....Three loses on the last play......Just give him one more year to do smarter things.....what other options do the ‘DOGS have..??

[Turfdawg67]

TIL Jeff Lebby's 6-14 (0-12) resume is equivalent to Allyn McKeen's 65-19 (29-16) resume. Like Jesus Christ, this Lebby fandom is turning into a cult with some of you.

It?s really not. Like someone else said, you are being way too dramatic. The guy?s been here less than two years and if you can?t see massive improvement, you?re blind.

[Quaoarsking]

It?s really not. Like someone else said, you are being way too dramatic. The guy?s been here less than two years and if you can?t see massive improvement, you?re blind.

We are not "massively improved" from 2023, which is the measuring stick. Lebby will never get credit for improving on his own bad year.

[SPMT]

It's bad to change coaches every 2 years, but even worse to not change coaches when we all kinda know that we need to. Why give Lebby another year to miss a bowl again when we have proven that we can put together NIL packages to have a team that can make one?

I wouldn?t worry about him getting canned after this year. If we, did in fact, allocate the resources, like we keep hearing then a coach will come here.

The optics are nonsense largely, considering three P5 coaches have been fired mid season, that?s actually ridiculous.

[HoopsDawg]

I wouldn?t worry about him getting canned after this year. If we, did in fact, allocate the resources, like we keep hearing then a coach will come here.

The optics are nonsense largely, considering three P5 coaches have been fired mid season, that?s actually ridiculous.

Could not be a worse time to hire a coach. UF, LSU, Penn State and others along with all the dominos that will follow.

[Thick]

I think some people, myself included, see such a huge improvement on the field that we're being reasonable about giving it more time to see if the improvement continues. I don't think he's capped what he can accomplish here. In fact, I'd say he's just getting started. This knee jerk "fire the coach" and "bench the QB" fanaticism is expected for sure, but our AD and President can't act like that or we'll never get anywhere.

A&M thumped us. Outside of that, we've matched up and challenged every team we've played. A massive improvement on any season since Leach passed awat.

Thanks Hack, finally someone that recognizes the improvement. Yes game management and situational play calling has hurt us, but that?s a quick fix.

[Thick]

Man, I wish you would stop posting. Or take a little break. You have dumbed down this board to unreadable proportions.

My man!

[Bdawg]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

You are also saying that said coach of your choosing would be playing with the team that Lebby put together and calling the same game that Lebby called except they would make a few decisions differently that would win us the game. I?m not giving Lebby a pass, but I?m also not saying any coach you have listed puts this same team together and puts us in position to win all these games. Too many variables going back to when this years team was put together to say said coach would have us 7-1 or 6-2 right now. No one knows how good any of those coaches would be until they get here and try it themselves with one the weakest NILs in the conference. What you are basically saying is let Lebby be the OC and recruiting coordinator and hire another head coach to be CEO.

[Quaoarsking]

Could not be a worse time to hire a coach. UF, LSU, Penn State and others along with all the dominos that will follow.

I just don't think we're competing for the same coaches that those 3 are.

[msstate7]

I just don't think we're competing for the same coaches that those 3 are.

Yeah, talk about inflated ego lol

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah, talk about inflated ego lol

Does everything have to be spelled out for you two lovers? When Lane takes the LSU job, Ole Miss will have to find a coach. Same for the programs that lose their coaches to UF and Penn State. Plus Arkansas, UCLA and probably Auburn will be looking for coaches.

[Bdawg]

It was one of 3 plays take your pick

Dumbass number 6 with his late hit on Arch and I truly believe this is the biggest and the reason for the loss.

Then the other two would be deciding to punt the ball to 21 rather than punt it out of bounds and then the dumbass penalty on the early field goal that led to a touchdown

But number 6 and his dumbass penalty is the biggest to me

One out of those three would be on Lebby. Lebby should have also punted up 10 and on our side of the field

[Percho]

I think some people, myself included, see such a huge improvement on the field that we're being reasonable about giving it more time to see if the improvement continues. I don't think he's capped what he can accomplish here. In fact, I'd say he's just getting started. This knee jerk "fire the coach" and "bench the QB" fanaticism is expected for sure, but our AD and President can't act like that or we'll never get anywhere.

A&M thumped us. Outside of that, we've matched up and challenged every team we've played. A massive improvement on any season since Leach passed awat.

Amen!

[Quaoarsking]

Does everything have to be spelled out for you two lovers? When Lane takes the LSU job, Ole Miss will have to find a coach. Same for the programs that lose their coaches to UF and Penn State. Plus Arkansas, UCLA and probably Auburn will be looking for coaches.

Yeah, we know the theory. It still doesn't mean that whoever we want will be unavailable. For example:

Florida hires Franklin.
Penn State hires Rhule. Nebraska hires Bengals HC Zac Taylor.
LSU hires Kiffin. Ole Miss hires Pete Golding.

The chains are closed, not a cascade that affects us. Obviously any or all of those may be wrong, but there's just no reason to think that we're screwed without Lebby, especially when we're probably screwed with him anyway.

[DEDawg]

I just don't think we're competing for the same coaches that those 3 are.

No but we would be competing with whoever they hire their coach from. Or even one more level down from that. That is the dominos the poster was referring to

[Quaoarsking]

No but we would be competing with whoever they hire their coach from. Or even one more level down from that. That is the dominos the poster was referring to

Already debunked that theory, 1 post up.

[DEDawg]

Already debunked that theory, 1 post up.

Your guesses at who each school hires? Yeah ok im sure that is how it will play out

[msstate7]

Your guesses at who each school hires? Yeah ok im sure that is how it will play out

Why is your guess better than my "lover's"?

[Quaoarsking]

Your guesses at who each school hires? Yeah ok im sure that is how it will play out

Seems to be the front runners. Obviously any or all could be wrong, but not likely to see the huge cascade because some schools will hire someone who isn't a current college head coach.

[Bdawg]

Already debunked that theory, 1 post up.

You didn’t debunk it. It’s just your opinion. You also said “all those may be wrong.” Jeez you need to take a break for a minute. Once again, I’m sure all of us are pissed at Lebby some kind of way, along with some players. We just all don’t agree with firing him.

[HoopsDawg]

Seems to be the front runners. Obviously any or all could be wrong, but not likely to see the huge cascade because some schools will hire someone who isn't a current college head coach.

There are 12 FBS job openings with many more on the way. And you want to fire a 2nd year coach who has vastly improved the program year over year. You fell on your head as a baby didn?t you.

[Cowbeller]

Seems to be the front runners. Obviously any or all could be wrong, but not likely to see the huge cascade because some schools will hire someone who isn't a current college head coach.

I dont think UF hires Franklin but again these are all guesses and you have proven that youre an idiot so ill take logic over emotion.

Lebby 2026

[Turfdawg67]

You didn’t debunk it. It’s just your opinion. You also said “all those may be wrong.” Jeez you need to take a break for a minute. Once again, I’m sure all of us are pissed at Lebby some kind of way, along with some players. We just all don’t agree with firing him.

His opinions debunk if he says so and he decides what years in which we can compare this year's team. You don't know that??

[Quaoarsking]

I dont think UF hires Franklin but again these are all guesses and you have proven that youre an idiot so ill take logic over emotion.

Lebby 2026

If you really think the pro-Lebby side is logical and the anti-Lebby side is emotional, you really are in a cult.

[SPMT]

I just don't think we're competing for the same coaches that those 3 are.

Me neither. Never have been and most likely never will be.

[msstate7]

If you really think the pro-Lebby side is logical and the anti-Lebby side is emotional, you really are in a cult.

This guy literally just said he was wrong about Lebby last night

[Cowbeller]

If you really think the pro-Lebby side is logical and the anti-Lebby side is emotional, you really are in a cult.

You are more on edge than a teenage girl with your emotions. Reality has probably always been hard for you to grasp.

[msstate7]

You are more on edge than a teenage girl with your emotions. Reality has probably always been hard for you to grasp.

"I retract everything. I was wrong" - unknown philosopher last night

[Quaoarsking]

You are more on edge than a teenage girl with your emotions. Reality has probably always been hard for you to grasp.

In 20 years of being part of the MSU forum community, no one has ever said this about me, almost always the opposite (no fun, too robotic, etc.). You are truly in uncharted territory.

[BrunswickDawg]

There are 12 FBS job openings with many more on the way. And you want to fire a 2nd year coach who has vastly improved the program year over year. You fell on your head as a baby didn?t you.

Remember what happened the last time we were hiring in a year with big name schools open???

Joe F***king Moorhead happened. And our program was in much better shape than it is right now.

And look at the results from all those big name programs - big big pile of turds

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/regrading-the-2017-18-college-football-coaching-carousel-from-jimbo-fisher-and-scott-frost-to-dan-mullen/

[Homedawg]

Me neither. Never have been and most likely never will be.

He's right. We are closer to competing w scooba for a coach than those 3. So credit to him. He's right.

[Quaoarsking]

Remember what happened the last time we were hiring in a year with big name schools open???

Joe F***king Moorhead happened. And our program was in much better shape than it is right now.

And look at the results from all those big name programs - big big pile of turds

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/regrading-the-2017-18-college-football-coaching-carousel-from-jimbo-fisher-and-scott-frost-to-dan-mullen/

When they do a 2023-24 retrospective. Lebby will be a Grade: F | Original grade: D, just like Arnett.

[Homedawg]

Remember what happened the last time we were hiring in a year with big name schools open???

Joe F***king Moorhead happened. And our program was in much better shape than it is right now.

And look at the results from all those big name programs - big big pile of turds

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/regrading-the-2017-18-college-football-coaching-carousel-from-jimbo-fisher-and-scott-frost-to-dan-mullen/

Remember when we hired Lebby?? We didn't have one single guy who was a sitting head coach that was a wow hire and wanted our job. Not one. It is what it is. We will hire an assistant or some I hope so guy. And then do this again in two years. Bc clearly that's what our fans expect from the second hardest job in the sec. I want to win. But damn. And to add the one guy that was a head coach that wanted our job is at an equivalent job. Purdue. And boy he's tearing it up ******

[Quaoarsking]

Just in the 2020s alone, we have made "wow hires" of sitting head coaches in football, basketball, and baseball, and I'm not even saying I need a "wow hire" in football right now, just someone who has been successful as a G5/FCS head coach.

[Homedawg]

When they do a 2023-24 retrospective. Lebby will be a Grade: F | Original grade: D, just like Arnett.

So who did you want then?? And who would you hire now?? Huff?? Cause that's about the best you gonna get.

[Homedawg]

Just in the 2020s alone, we have made "wow hires" of sitting head coaches in football, basketball, and baseball, and I'm not even saying I need a "wow hire" in football right now, just someone who has been successful as a G5/FCS head coach.

And read what I said above. The one realistic candidate that wanted our job that was a sitting head coach was Barry freaking Odom.

[Quaoarsking]

So who did you want then?? And who would you hire now?? Huff?? Cause that's about the best you gonna get.

I made a list of 16 names I think we can get, all of whom are successful head coaches, and yes, Huff was on the list. I'd be totally fine with him.

[Coursesuper]

Just in the 2020s alone, we have made "wow hires" of sitting head coaches in football, basketball, and baseball, and I'm not even saying I need a "wow hire" in football right now, just someone who has been successful as a G5/FCS head coach.

Just damn, you really just have no clue how things are financially done with the athletic department do you?

[Cowbeller]

"I retract everything. I was wrong" - unknown philosopher last night

Making a joke pissed off 10 min after the game vs b*tching on 15 separate threads. We are not the same

[Homedawg]

Just in the 2020s alone, we have made "wow hires" of sitting head coaches in football, basketball, and baseball, and I'm not even saying I need a "wow hire" in football right now, just someone who has been successful as a G5/FCS head coach.

And our best coach ever was an assistant. If you want to say it's Jackie that's fine too, he was a retread that no one else would touch w a ten foot pole, we took him and it clearly worked out.

[msstate7]

Making a joke pissed off 10 min after the game vs b*tching on 15 separate threads. We are not the same

You're right - I have conviction. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks of me here, and I'll call it how I see it.

[Cowbeller]

Just damn, you really just have no clue how things are financially done with the athletic department do you?

This and acting like his magic list are all guaranteed winners at the highest level of the sport lol. If you fire Lebby you have to have a P4 coach lined up already which we obviously dont

[msstate7]

And our best coach ever was an assistant. If you want to say it's Jackie that's fine too, he was a retread that no one else would touch w a ten foot pole, we took him and it clearly worked out.

Mullen absolutely is our best. We've gone 0 for 2.5 on coods since then, so if it does become 0 for 3, I prefer to raid a sunbelt sitting HC

[Cowbeller]

You're right - I have conviction. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks of me here, and I'll call it how I see it.

Man… it’s a fan message board. Everyone calls it how they see it

[msstate7]

Man… it’s a fan message board. Everyone calls it how they see it

Cool, you saw it better last night

[Cowbeller]

Cool, you saw it better last night

My wife never says I do my best thinking 20 millers in. Ill let her know you think different

[Homedawg]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door. And he has 3 more years on his contract. And before you ask why, bc nobody will take the damn job wo 5 years. ESP in the mess he inherited. And no I'm not friends w Lebby.

[msstate7]

My wife never says I do my best thinking 20 millers in. Ill let her know you think different

Of course men know better than women... even more so when they've had a few (or a lot)

[Quaoarsking]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door.

I've heard a bit through the grapevine that other coaches think Lebby is a bit of a simpleton and won't be surprised that he's losing games he should win.

[Coursesuper]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door.
Absolutely Gawd damn right! Amen.

[msstate7]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door.

Dan Mullen ain't on campus either though. Hey, I wanna believe. I've said over and over that I would bring him back with 1 more win. 1-15 in his first 2 sec schedules isn't some crazy hurdle. We've been out coached by a lame duck coach and we face an interim this week. UT was vastly overrated this season, so there have been and are winnable games on the schedule

[Cowbeller]

I've heard a bit through the grapevine that other coaches think Lebby is a bit of a simpleton and won't be surprised that he's losing games he should win.

Now youre just making things up. You dont talk to any coaches

[Homedawg]

This and acting like his magic list are all guaranteed winners at the highest level of the sport lol. If you fire Lebby you have to have a P4 coach lined up already which we obviously dont

Bc no sitting p4 coach will take our job. Not one that's any good.

[Cowbeller]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door.

100 percent agree on this. Stupid decisions back to back weeks but we need to establish our expectations this go around.

Lebby will absolutely get us to an 8 win floor with 9-10 win seasons mixed in. Once the precedent is set we are back

[Homedawg]

Now youre just making things up. You dont talk to any coaches

Correct. Which is typical....

[Homedawg]

Dan Mullen ain't on campus either though. Hey, I wanna believe. I've said over and over that I would bring him back with 1 more win. 1-15 in his first 2 sec schedules isn't some crazy hurdle. We've been out coached by a lame duck coach and we face an interim this week. UT was vastly overrated this season, so there have been and are winnable games on the schedule

I like you. I do. But coming from the guy that wanted to fire Jan's 6 games into the sec season year one I know to take you w a grain of salt.

[Cowbeller]

Bc no sitting p4 coach will take our job. Not one that's any good.

There are a couple Big12 and ACC guys that I think would make the leap if the money was right.

[msstate7]

I like you. I do. But coming from the guy that wanted to fire Jan's 6 games into the sec season year one I know to take you w a grain of salt.

I mean I've said a million times I was wrong on Jans. I hope I get to same the same about Lebby sometime. Now what part of my post did you take exception to?

[Quaoarsking]

Now youre just making things up. You dont talk to any coaches

That's what "through the grapevine" means. I didn't say I heard it from a coach directly.

[Todd4State]

To be honest, I'm not stupid, Lebby did some dumb dumb crap last night. IMO. Worst decision game he's had by a mile. It cost us. But we are 1000 times better. We are in every game. Just shoot ourselves in the foot. The coaches yes. Then the players. Ultimately Lebby is responsible. Yes. But if you think for two seconds that we can fire him after our visible improvement, and hire someone w a pulse you've lost your ever loving mind. Coaches see what's going on. See the improvement. And will say, they fired that guy after taking over that shit show???? Some of yall just don't get it. Lots of yall don't get it. And maybe he continues to suck and we never get over the hump w him. Then we fire him and do this all over again and fire the next one. Dan Mullen and his success ain't walking through that door. And he has 3 more years on his contract. And before you ask why, bc nobody will take the damn job wo 5 years. ESP in the mess he inherited. And no I'm not friends w Lebby.

Well said.

[Homedawg]

I mean I've said a million times I was wrong on Jans. I hope I get to same the same about Lebby sometime. Now what part of my post did you take exception to?

Nothing in particular on that one. But been outcoached?? Shit both Florida and Texas and Tennessee should be embarrassed and say we oufcoached them bc we were even in the game. They all have way more money. Way more in their money kiddy and we should have could have won the games. I mean those three staff have to suck donkey balls if we are in the game w them w all the talent they have right???

[Quaoarsking]

Nothing in particular on that one. But been outcoached?? Shit both Florida and Texas and Tennessee should be embarrassed and say we oufcoached them bc we were even in the game. They all have way more money. Way more in their money kiddy and we should have could have won the games. I mean those three staff have to suck donkey balls if we are in the game w them w all the talent they have right???

Florida - yes, well established
Texas - Arch has been overrated all year
Tennessee - I didn't fault Lebby too hard for this one even though he kinda choked it away

[msstate7]

Nothing in particular on that one. But been outcoached?? Shit both Florida and Texas and Tennessee should be embarrassed and say we oufcoached them bc we were even in the game. They all have way more money. Way more in their money kiddy and we should have could have won the games. I mean those three staff have to suck donkey balls if we are in the game w them w all the talent they have right???

Sometimes the talent ain't as good as advertised... see Dj lagway and arch manning. DJ not taking the next step is why Billy finally crapped out. Arch has sark begging for an nfl job bc you can't replace a guy you talked your boosters into investing in that heavy. Ark is the last of the games I will hold against Lebby. After this weekend, he is just outgunned. He wasn't/isnt outmanned in Florida, Texas, and ark though imo

[Homedawg]

Florida - yes, well established
Texas - Arch has been overrated all year
Tennessee - I didn't fault Lebby too hard for this one even though he kinda choked it away

So they don't or should have more talent than us?? And by a big margin!!! So they all have 3 shitty staffs. That's all I can come up with. Has to be it .... so ..... either we are coached pretty well at least to be in the game or not. Again im not defending some of the none headed crap he did last night. But the staff did put us in position to win all 3 games that, In fact, we are out manned. Or should be. And if we aren't. Then either they did a bad job or we did a great job Aquiring talent and we have our highest paid lineman that hasn't played since the second quarter of the first game. And our best dl who will be drafted next Siri g hasn't played since asu first half. Again just can't have it both ways. That's all.

[Homedawg]

Sometimes the talent ain't as good as advertised... see Dj lagway and arch manning. DJ not taking the next step is why Billy finally crapped out. Arch has sark begging for an nfl job bc you can't replace a guy you talked your boosters into investing in that heavy. Ark is the last of the games I will hold against Lebby. After this weekend, he is just outgunned. He wasn't/isnt outmanned in Florida, Texas, and ark though imo

I can agree sometimes it isn't. But are you saying g we have equal talent to Texas? And if we do, either they suck or we are great at talent eval.and check the draft to see if we were at weren't out manned by all 3. But I'm glad you agree, they suck at talent eval or we are great if we weren't outmanned. Just smmfh

[Homedawg]

And I honestly think we have a decent chance to win the egg bowl. Better than to beat ark.

[msstate7]

I can agree sometimes it isn't. But are you saying g we have equal talent to Texas? And if we do, either they suck or we are great at talent eval.

I think Texas players know they aren't winning anything remotely close to the level they want with arch. And him making so much more than them has to be hard to deal with.

[Homedawg]

I think this- if we had sark and they had Lebby the game would have been over by the fourth quarter. And I don't mean we win.

[msstate7]

And I honestly think we have a decent chance to win the egg bowl. Better than to beat ark.

Eh 'maybe. Better hope the rumors around lane are as distracting as mullen's were to us. I don't see how we stop them

[msstate7]

I think this- if we had sark and they had Lebby the game would have been over by the fourth quarter. And I don't mean we win.

You think Lebby is a better coach than sark?

[Homedawg]

I think Texas players know they aren't winning anything remotely close to the level they want with arch. And him making so much more than them has to be hard to deal with.

Dodge deflect. Dodge deflect. So shapen sucks. You've said it over and over. Arch sucks. ... we should have won the game. How?? We have better players?? Hell you want Taylor starting and he couldn't read the play on the goal line right Took 3 seconds to throw it.

[Homedawg]

His offense is better yes. And the fact we can move it up and down the field against a very talented defense says a ton. They have way more talent than us!! Sark has a top 5 job in the country. Lebby has a bottom 20. You do the math.bottom 20 4 before you go nuts.

[msstate7]

Dodge deflect. Dodge deflect. So shapen sucks. You've said it over and over. Arch sucks. ... we should have won the game. How?? We have better players?? Hell you want Taylor starting and he couldn't read the play on the goal line right Took 3 seconds to throw it.

Shapen was outstanding yesterday. Him playing above his head was why we had what shoulda been an unsurmountable lead.

[msstate7]

His offense is better yes. And the fact we can move it up and down the field against a very talented defense says a ton. They have way more talent than us!! Sark has a top 5 job in the country. Lebby has a bottom 20. You do the math.

Florida and Kentucky moved the ball up and down the field on them too. Their road D has been awful lately for whatever reason

ETA... Florida actually put up more yards than us and just under 2 more yards a play. Kentucky outgained them by 216 yards. Not sure id say Kentucky has better off coaches

[Homedawg]

Florida and Kentucky moved the ball up and down the field on them too. Their road D has been awful lately for whatever reason

Kentucky didn't have 400 yards. But for them I guess so. Either way so should sark be fired?? Two playoff appearances... and he barely beat us. ....

[msstate7]

Kentucky didn't have 400 yards. But for them I guess so. Either way so should sark be fired?? Two playoff appearances... and he barely beat us. ....
I would say no. He's 10-2 in the sec in his 2 seasons, and most schools count real wins over almost ones

[Homedawg]

Are we a better team w massive improvement?? It's not hard to see

[Homedawg]

I would say no. He's 10-2 in the sec in his 2 seasons, and most schools count real wins over almost ones

He's at a top 5 job. Hes not going 10-2 this year. He should never ever ever be in a game w us. If he was any good. This difference between us and Texas is the same as us vs usm. That's how far apart we are from them.

[Quaoarsking]

He's at a top 5 job. Hes not going 10-2 this year. He should never ever ever be in a game w us. If he was any good. This difference between us and Texas is the same as us vs usm. That's how far apart we are from them.

We are similar to Kentucky, which also lost to Texas in overtime. Are Kentucky fans happy with Stoops right now for almost beating Texas?

[msstate7]

He's at a top 5 job. Hes not going 10-2 this year. He should never ever ever be in a game w us. If he was any good. This difference between us and Texas is the same as us vs usm. That's how far apart we are from them.

So you would fire sark, but keep Lebby? Is this what you're saying?

[Homedawg]

So you would fire sark, but keep Lebby? Is this what you're saying?

No I would t fire sark. But if I bet every Texas fan that's like you wants him fired. And with more reason than you have to want Lebby fired.

[Homedawg]

We are similar to Kentucky, which also lost to Texas in overtime. Are Kentucky fans happy with Stoops right now for almost beating Texas?

The two situations aren't even remotely close. But keep trying

[msstate7]

The two situations aren't even remotely close. But keep trying

Kentucky completely dominated them. Held them below 200 total yards snd out-gained them by 216. This board was making fun of stoops for losing than game, and now this board is defending Lebby for losing a game up 17 in the 4th

[HoopsDawg]

So you would fire sark, but keep Lebby? Is this what you're saying?

How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement. Or have any foresight or projection. I was out on Moorehead after 4 games. I could see he couldn?t run a program or coach. I?ve watched Lebby for nearly 2 seasons. We haven?t won many games but I?m impressed with a lot of things he?s doing. Does he need to improve in some areas? Yes! But that?s the price of hiring an assistant. He?s going through the learning curve. But he?s a leader, runs an offense that moves the ball against more talented teams, and he?s managing the staff well and inspires the players to play hard.

Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program. Not just you, but your butt buddy, and all the idiots on social media.

Our own fans were booing Shapen. I?m embarrassed by half of our fanbase and posters like you and your lover.

[Quaoarsking]

The two situations aren't even remotely close. But keep trying

You're right they aren't close. Stoops has won dozens of games for Kentucky over the years and taken them to 8 bowls. Kentucky fans who want to keep him at least have a tangible reason why, instead of what they imagine he might be able to do one day.

[msstate7]

How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement. Or have any foresight or projection. I was out on Moorehead after 4 games. I could see he couldn?t run a program or coach. I?ve watched Lebby for nearly 2 seasons. We haven?t won many games but I?m impressed with a lot of things he?s doing. Does he need to improve in some areas? Yes! But that?s the price of hiring an assistant. He?s going through the learning curve. But he?s a leader, runs an offense that moves the ball against more talented teams, and he?s managing the staff well and inspires the players to play hard.

Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program. Not just you, but your butt buddy, and all the idiots on social media.

Our own fans were booing Shapen. I?m embarrassed by half of our fanbase and posters like you and your lover.

Shapen got booed bc of me? Wow, didn't know I led this revolution from ED

[Quaoarsking]

How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement.

Because for the 100th time, we are only "improved" because Lebby was so bad last year! A world where Lebby beats Toledo and Arkansas last year would make me a whole lot more comfortable with him going forward, not less, even though there wouldn't be any "improvement" anymore.

You can't say that last year doesn't count and was totally meaningless because our roster was so bad that any coach would have gotten humiliated by a mid-level MAC team, but then also say that actually Lebby is doing a great job from improving on that now that NIL and the portal gave him a better roster.

[HoopsDawg]

Shapen got booed bc of me? Wow, didn't know I led this revolution from ED

Yeah, thats what I said moron. Why even bother. You are a troll.

[Quaoarsking]

Shapen deserved to be booed during the Florida game, but really not against Texas at all. Also, I didn't hear any booing of Shapen yesterday anyway.

[msstate7]

Yeah, thats what I said moron. Why even bother. You are a troll.

I think I'm a nobody that doesn't influence our program one way or the other here on ED. Message boards are relics of the past now. If I had a following on X, maybe, but I don't even post crap there

[HoopsDawg]

Because for the 100th time, we are only "improved" because Lebby was so bad last year! A world where Lebby beats Toledo and Arkansas last year would make me a whole lot more comfortable with him going forward, not less, even though there wouldn't be any "improvement" anymore.

You can't say that last year doesn't count and was totally meaningless because our roster was so bad that any coach would have gotten humiliated by a mid-level MAC team, but then also say that actually Lebby is doing a great job from improving on that now that NIL and the portal gave him a better roster.

I guess it?s hard for me to accept that people that bother to post on an MSU message board are this dumb. But alas. Hopefully you only represent 1% of our fans.

Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started. And he?s done this without our 2 best portal players, Whitson and Fluff. Plus our projected starter at OT in steen.

It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.

[Brobi-wan]

Shapen deserved to be booed during the Florida game, but really not against Texas at all. Also, I didn't hear any booing of Shapen yesterday anyway.

I think it’s was on the first two drives. Not really after

[HoopsDawg]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1674004]I think I'm a nobody QUOTE]

We agree on something

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1674004]I think I'm a nobody QUOTE]

We agree on something

Also hoops, "Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program."

[Quaoarsking]

Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started.


We know things now about Texas and Florida that we didn't know about Texas and Florida at the beginning of the season. And the circumstances of the losses matter too. You're greatly oversimplifying what has occurred this season.

[Brobi-wan]

I guess it?s hard for me to accept that people that bother to post on an MSU message board are this dumb. But alas. Hopefully you only represent 1% of our fans.

Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started. And he?s done this without our 2 best portal players, Whitson and Fluff. Plus our projected starter at OT in steen.

It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.


Rational take. I would’ve definitely taken that deal at the beginning of the season. We may still even win 2 more. Hell, maybe by some miracle we win all 4. These last few weeks have sucked. We’re legitimately a couple plays away from a potential playoff berth.

[Quaoarsking]

It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.

Nobody was talking about firing Lebby 2 weeks ago. Maybe you really were in the twilight zone.

[HoopsDawg]

Nobody was talking about firing Lebby 2 weeks ago. Maybe you really were in the twilight zone.

After the UF game is what I meant

[HoopsDawg]

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Also hoops, "Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program."

I asked you several legit questions and you just deflect to that and change the meaning. Typical

[HoopsDawg]

Rational take. I would’ve definitely taken that deal at the beginning of the season. We may still even win 2 more. Hell, maybe by some miracle we win all 4. These last few weeks have sucked. We’re legitimately a couple plays away from a potential playoff berth.

Yep, I really think losing Whitson cost us Tennessee, possibly UF. And not having Fluff and Whitson cost us Texas. Having players can help you overcome bad decisions.

[HoopsDawg]

We know things now about Texas and Florida that we didn't know about Texas and Florida at the beginning of the season. And the circumstances of the losses matter too. You're greatly oversimplifying what has occurred this season.

That is actually you oversimplifying. We lost. Fire coach. Thats the simplest, most typical fan response possible. Requires zero thought or evaluation.

[Todd4State]

Dodge deflect. Dodge deflect. So shapen sucks. You've said it over and over. Arch sucks. ... we should have won the game. How?? We have better players?? Hell you want Taylor starting and he couldn't read the play on the goal line right Took 3 seconds to throw it.

KT's throws go off of the other team better and are more catchable than when Shapen throws them off of people.**

I'm being sarcastic but there's probably some MSU fan out there thinking that for real.

[Todd4State]

I've heard a bit through the grapevine that other coaches think Lebby is a bit of a simpleton and won't be surprised that he's losing games he should win.

And what coach out there thinks we should have beat Tennessee, A&M on the road, Florida on the road, and Texas?

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1674008]

I asked you several legit questions and you just deflect to that and change the meaning. Typical

At some point, improvement has to turn a 0 into a 1. Catching a school like Florida where it was known that it was tbd coach's last game is a win for the taking. Yesterday, up 17 in the 4th. Man, if not then, when? I didn't hold tenn against him. I won't hold any after this week against him. Arkansas under an interim is a must win for Lebby. In the new CFB world getting players to come here after starting 0--16 is gonna cost twice as much as it did this year. Seriously, what players are gonna wanna sign up for that in a season where all other sec programs are brining in new coaches and shiny upsized NIL budgets.

[Quaoarsking]

That is actually you oversimplifying. We lost. Fire coach. Thats the simplest, most typical fan response possible. Requires zero thought or evaluation.

Saying that I haven't thought out my position and explained it thoroughly is really making you look silly, even to other Lebby supporters reading this thread. You can disagree with me if you want, but I'm very obviously not being "simple" or "zero thought" on this.

[Quaoarsking]

And what coach out there thinks we should have beat Tennessee, A&M on the road, Florida on the road, and Texas?

Almost everyone thinks we should have beaten a 2-4 Florida team that was already known to be firing their coach. A lot of people nationally expected us to beat an overrated, underachieving Texas team.

Most competent coaches would have won both games.

[Todd4State]

Almost everyone thinks we should have beaten a 2-4 Florida team that was already known to be firing their coach. A lot of people nationally expected us to beat an overrated, underachieving Texas team.

Most competent coaches would have won both games.

And we weren't favored to win either game.

[Quaoarsking]

And we weren't favored to win either game.

We would have been favored against both if we had a better coach.

Sadly, Leach's death (in addition to being a huge tragedy for his family) killed our football program and tore apart our fanbase in a way that we still haven't recovered from.

[HoopsDawg]

Saying that I haven't thought out my position and explained it thoroughly is really making you look silly, even to other Lebby supporters reading this thread. You can disagree with me if you want, but I'm very obviously not being "simple" or "zero thought" on this.

No I get it, fire Lebby bc Texas is worse than people thought. Makes total sense. You really have no concept of our NIL, budget, or the roster that Lebby inherited. Expecting those wins is laughable. You are mad at the nature of those losses which is fine bc you are just a random, typical fan. But wanting Lebby fired and others wanting Shapen benched is pure insanity at this point.

[Quaoarsking]

No I get it, fire Lebby bc Texas is worse than people thought. Makes total sense. You really have no concept of our NIL, budget, or the roster that Lebby inherited. Expecting those wins is laughable. You are mad at the nature of those losses which is fine bc you are just a random, typical fan. But wanting Lebby fired and others wanting Shapen benched is pure insanity at this point.

It's "laughable" to expect to beat a 2-4 team that's has already been leaked to be firing its coach. Yeah, I sure am an "insane" person for thinking we should win a game that meant everything to us and nothing to our opponent, especially when they had already lost to a team worse than us with a lower NIL budget.

It was totally "insane" that I, like almost everyone on this forum, predicted that we would win a home game over a team that has underachieved all season and is locked into playing an overrated QB that they way overspent on.

[Todd4State]

We would have been favored against both if we had a better coach.

Sadly, Leach's death (in addition to being a huge tragedy for his family) killed our football program and tore apart our fanbase in a way that we still haven't recovered from.

I don't gamble but I'm pretty sure that's not how Las Vegas works.

Leach was a good enough coach he could have kept us afloat while we got our NIL up to speed. But that's not what happened.

Also, part of the reason why we are in the situation we are in is because didn't do a national search right off the bat to replace Leach. Making stupid decisions like that killed our program too. And we had impatient fans wanting Arnett to be promoted while the voices of reason said not to. Some of those same voices of reason are also saying not to fire Lebby yet either.

[Quaoarsking]

I don't gamble but I'm pretty sure that's not how Las Vegas works.

Leach was a good enough coach he could have kept us afloat while we got our NIL up to speed. But that's not what happened.

Also, part of the reason why we are in the situation we are in is because didn't do a national search right off the bat to replace Leach. Making stupid decisions like that killed our program too. And we had impatient fans wanting Arnett to be promoted while the voices of reason said not to. Some of those same voices of reason are also saying not to fire Lebby yet either.

No, I think most of the pro-Lebby people are the same ones who spent 2020 through 2022 wanting to fire Leach. At least there is a strong inverse correlation (not perfect, but strong) on this board and on SPS between poster's feelings on Leach and their feelings on Lebby.

[Todd4State]

No, I think most of the pro-Lebby people are the same ones who spent 2020 through 2022 wanting to fire Leach. At least there is a strong inverse correlation (not perfect, but strong) on this board and on SPS between poster's feelings on Leach and their feelings on Lebby.

Well, that's certainly not me as I have been a Leach fan for a long time and have defended him ad nauseum. I have noticed that correlation at all. But maybe it's there.

To me, Lebby's offense has some similarities to Leach's offense in some ways even though it is also very different.

[mckeen]

And our best coach ever was an assistant. If you want to say it's Jackie that's fine too, he was a retread that no one else would touch w a ten foot pole, we took him and it clearly worked out.

I assume you are talking about Mullinz, correct? The guy who lost at least 3 EB's while texting to AD's trying to find a new job. Not even close to the best. Research my namesake, who won our only national title ( which our athletic dept. should start claiming).

[mckeen]

Mullinz is the wrong answer.

[Homedawg]

I assume you are talking about Mullinz, correct? The guy who lost at least 3 EB's while texting to AD's trying to find a new job. Not even close to the best. Research my namesake, who won our only national title ( which our athletic dept. should start claiming).

Ok fine. My father wasn't even born then. So I don't count back that far.