What did Shappen put out

[parabrave]

on Social Media yesterday. Listening to T&L and the said that he put out something on Social media yesterday which has irked a few. Hadid was quick to point out that he wasn't a reg student but a paid employee making close to 7 figures as well as the 2 bacckups.

[StarkVegasSteve]

on Social Media yesterday. Listening to T&L and the said that he put out something on Social media yesterday which has irked a few. Hadid was quick to point out that he wasn't a reg student but a paid employee making close to 7 figures as well as the 2 bacckups.

Put out a photo that said 17 the haters. Not in great taste since you were the one who lost the game but honestly, people are just finding reasons to get mad at Shapen.

Nick Fitzgerald did the same thing after LSU in 18, and even went after some people on social media, and he was a hero 6 days later. Winning Cures All. If Shapen leads us to a win against Texas everyone will quickly forget.

[DownwardDawg]

Not a good look for him, especially when you make the kind of money he's making.
I hate "fans" going after players on social media, but the player needs to ignore it all. He's an employee now.

[msstate7]

The last thing we need is a guy that clams up under pressure putting extra pressure on himself to show up the "haters"

[Maverick91]

The last thing we need is a guy that clams up under pressure putting extra pressure on himself to show up the "haters"

Or... that would be a good thing. If you know what I mean.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Or... that would be a good thing. If you know what I mean.

We're not going to start Kamario if that is what you're hoping. Even in the event of an injury, the backup would be Luke. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok!! I think some people are thinking that this is NCAA Football and you can just plug anyone in and everything works great. Kamario needs work. He's having trouble picking up the playbook and having trouble making the correct reads. Look no further than Saturday. 3 of his 4 plays in the middle of the field were RPOs. If he hands off on even one of them, Gayten has a first down. He's gotten by on his athleticism for so long that he's still figuring out how to make the correct reads in real time.

And btw, none of that makes him a bad player. It makes him a Freshman. Which he is. The kid is extremely athletic and has all the physical tools to be a great, he just needs coaching and development.

[Maverick91]

We're not going to start Kamario if that is what you're hoping. Even in the event of an injury, the backup would be Luke. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok!! I think some people are thinking that this is NCAA Football and you can just plug anyone in and everything works great. Kamario needs work. He's having trouble picking up the playbook and having trouble making the correct reads. Look no further than Saturday. 3 of his 4 plays in the middle of the field were RPOs. If he hands off on even one of them, Gayten has a first down. He's gotten by on his athleticism for so long that he's still figuring out how to make the correct reads in real time.

And btw, none of that makes him a bad player. It makes him a Freshman. Which he is. The kid is extremely athletic and has all the physical tools to be a great, he just needs coaching and development.

No I know. You and I agree completely on this, I don't want to see him. Give him his snaps for experience. But I kinda want to see Luke, he is experienced and I feel like fits the mold more of Arnold than what Shapen gives us. Just at this point I want to see it.

[msstate7]

No I know. You and I agree completely on this, I don't want to see him. Give him his snaps for experience. But I kinda want to see Luke, he is experienced and I feel like fits the mold more of Arnold than what Shapen gives us. Just at this point I want to see it.

If Shapen loses the next 2, it's a no brainer to use Luke imo. All dreams of a bowl are gone

[bulldawg28]

Shapen is delusional if he's blaming fans for his play. Lebby needs to get his attention before he disrupts the team dynamics.

[Todd4State]

Shapen is delusional if he's blaming fans for his play. Lebby needs to get his attention before he disrupts the team dynamics.

He's not blaming anyone. He's telling them to shut up. Funny thing about openly paying players is while fans can criticize them for paying them then players also get to snap back. Is what it is.

[Todd4State]

And disrupting team dynamics is hilarious. You think Brennan Thompson and Evans want to just run empty routes all game long while Kamario scrambles again?

Reminds me of when Tulu was excited about Barbay's offense and then got suspended for a game because he complained about the play calling when he preferred Will as QB over Wright.

[Santiago]

Not a good look for him, especially when you make the kind of money he's making.
I hate "fans" going after players on social media, but the player needs to ignore it all. He's an employee now.

Great point on the dynamic now with fans paying into NIL, and a player tweeting against fans.
Bad timing. Blake hit those deep throws against TX and you don't have to tweet it out.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

He's not blaming anyone. He's telling them to shut up. Funny thing about openly paying players is while fans can criticize them for paying them then players also get to snap back. Is what it is.

Fair point. Shapen can go screw himself if that's his attitude. Generally, snapping your smart ass back at your boss gets you fired. Screw Shapen if that's his attitude. If Lebby and Selmon won't tell these players to shut the hell up and quit snapping at those that pay for their NIL, then we won't be paying NIL. I like Shapen, but don't run your smart ass mouth to the fans.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Fair point. Shapen can go screw himself if that's his attitude. Generally, snapping your smart ass back at your boss gets you fired. Screw Shapen if that's his attitude. If Lebby and Selmon won't tell these players to shut the hell up and quit snapping at those that pay for their NIL, then we won't be paying NIL. I like Shapen, but don't run your smart ass mouth to the fans.

Kamario reposted it and said, "WFW" meaning word for word and saying he agrees. So does Kamario also need to go screw himself? These are emotional 18-24 year olds that are living and dying with every play. I get the frustration. I don't agree with how he said or the medium he used but it's honestly a nothing burger. If he beats Texas then no one will care.

[confucius say]

Stay off social media. Good life advice.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Stay off social media. Good life advice.

Honestly, not bad advice. I have seen some of the stuff that these college athletes receive after losses, and this was before NIL, and it's BAD. I can imagine it's gotten 5000x worse with NIL and being able to bet on college sports.

[Pancho]

sounds like blake is tuff enuf to take it and dish it out. i just hope we get a portal qb better than him as soon as the year ends because we obviously don't have one on the bench now or they would get a shot to play.

[DownwardDawg]

Honestly, not bad advice. I have seen some of the stuff that these college athletes receive after losses, and this was before NIL, and it's BAD. I can imagine it's gotten 5000x worse with NIL and being able to bet on college sports.

That's just crazy. People are crazy.
I stay off of it. I don't have any of it. This is the extent of my internet. This and watching YouTube videos and researching stuff.

[Coursesuper]

Kamario reposted it and said, "WFW" meaning word for word and saying he agrees. So does Kamario also need to go screw himself? These are emotional 18-24 year olds that are living and dying with every play. I get the frustration. I don't agree with how he said or the medium he used but it's honestly a nothing burger. If he beats Texas then no one will care.

I?d say we have a guy with the proper kind of attitude to stand up and go while not taking anything off those not directly in his world. Good on you kid, stand up and go hard.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I?d say we have a guy with the proper kind of attitude to stand up and go while not taking anything off those not directly in his world. Good on you kid, stand up and go hard.

I think it shows that QB room is tight. And that's good, especially with Kamario getting snaps here and there.

Let's just beat TX, beat Arky, and everything else will be gravy the rest of the way.

[Coursesuper]

I think it shows that QB room is tight. And that's good, especially with Kamario getting snaps here and there.

Let's just beat TX, beat Arky, and everything else will be gravy the rest of the way.

It shows they play for each other for sure.

[parabrave]

We're not going to start Kamario if that is what you're hoping. Even in the event of an injury, the backup would be Luke. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok!! I think some people are thinking that this is NCAA Football and you can just plug anyone in and everything works great. Kamario needs work. He's having trouble picking up the playbook and having trouble making the correct reads. Look no further than Saturday. 3 of his 4 plays in the middle of the field were RPOs. If he hands off on even one of them, Gayten has a first down. He's gotten by on his athleticism for so long that he's still figuring out how to make the correct reads in real time.

And btw, none of that makes him a bad player. It makes him a Freshman. Which he is. The kid is extremely athletic and has all the physical tools to be a great, he just needs coaching and development.

KT will not start or get more playing time. LEB said that When KT was in he had the RPO and was clueless on what to do except rub up the middle when the handoff would've been a big gain/. He isn't ready. Now that could be the fault of the coach also. I hate the RPO it takes all the responsibility off the coach and puts it on a kid who clearly isn't ready. Dam Leb at least you could have a very basic package for him with called plays,

[StarkVegasSteve]

KT will not start or get more playing time. LEB said that When KT was in he had the RPO and was clueless on what to do except rub up the middle when the handoff would've been a big gain/. He isn't ready. Now that could be the fault of the coach also. I hate the RPO it takes all the responsibility off the coach and puts it on a kid who clearly isn't ready. Dam Leb at least you could have a very basic package for him with called plays,

Kamario knows about 10% of the playbook. Some of that is by design because we are giving him what he can handle. That is the package of plays he has been given. He made the wrong read twice. Like I stated in another thread, there is some frustration the he is not picking some of the reads up a little quicker but at the same time we cannot stop practice every 5 minutes for 20 minutes to walk Kamario through the reads.

[Todd4State]

Kamario knows about 10% of the playbook. Some of that is by design because we are giving him what he can handle. That is the package of plays he has been given. He made the wrong read twice. Like I stated in another thread, there is some frustration the he is not picking some of the reads up a little quicker but at the same time we cannot stop practice every 5 minutes for 20 minutes to walk Kamario through the reads.

He needs to spend a ton of time with a QB guru in the offseason.

[Todd4State]

Fair point. Shapen can go screw himself if that's his attitude. Generally, snapping your smart ass back at your boss gets you fired. Screw Shapen if that's his attitude. If Lebby and Selmon won't tell these players to shut the hell up and quit snapping at those that pay for their NIL, then we won't be paying NIL. I like Shapen, but don't run your smart ass mouth to the fans.

Yeah it goes both ways and if Shapen does that to his boss then that's his problem.

My point is he wasn't blaming fans for his play.

[Todd4State]

It shows they play for each other for sure.

A lot of fans don't want to hear but it a lot of athletes in general don't care for the fans very much.

[ScooterDog]

Maybe those negative comments will inspire him to get out there and bust his butt and play his best game. Let's hope so.

[parabrave]

He needs to spend a ton of time with a QB guru in the offseason.

Or hire better QB coach who can teach it to him where it's not going over his head.

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe those negative comments will inspire him to get out there and bust his butt and play his best game. Let's hope so.

What a joke. You are clueless and obviously not an athlete.

Shapen is giving everything he has on the field every Saturday. He took 100% of the blame for the loss even though there was plenty of blame to go around. Only to have a bunch of loser, retards on social media give him a ton of hate.

Easy to say ignore but it?s hard to do when you are being attacked by your own fan base.

[Coursesuper]

What a joke. You are clueless and obviously not an athlete.

Shapen is giving everything he has on the field every Saturday. He took 100% of the blame for the loss even though there was plenty of blame to go around. Only to have a bunch of loser, retards on social media give him a ton of hate.

Easy to say ignore but it?s hard to do when you are being attacked by your own fan base.

Amen.

[msstate7]

I don't call out players... I stick to coaches, who I feel aren't putting players in the best position to win. I do find it rich that some of the same ones that blamed the loss on shapen Saturday here, cheer him on for basically calling them out. The only difference is the platform in which he was called out on.

ETA... BTW, I have no problem calling out players. Well, unless it's a kicker, punter, or LS or someone that doesn't make crap, if you dish it out, you should be able to take it though. No problem with Shapen in this instance

[Todd4State]

Or hire better QB coach who can teach it to him where it's not going over his head.

Or how about do what Ron Polk did in the 80's when high school baseball was dominated by assistant football coaches who coached the team recreationally and actually cultivate coaches that run somewhat modern offenses at the high school level? Sure there are some out there but for the most part it's a joke.

[Todd4State]

I don't call out players... I stick to coaches, who I feel aren't putting players in the best position to win. I do find it rich that some of the same ones that blamed the loss on shapen Saturday here, cheer him on for basically calling them out. The only difference is the platform in which he was called out on.

Shapen did cost us the game and he took responsibility. And we have fans who are calling him out that are saying some things that are unfair to him. Both can be true.

What's rich is you saying that you want to call our coaches for not putting players in a position to succeed while then championing for the coach to play the QB that gives us the least chance to succeed right now.

[Pinto]

Kamario knows about 10% of the playbook. Some of that is by design because we are giving him what he can handle. That is the package of plays he has been given. He made the wrong read twice. Like I stated in another thread, there is some frustration the he is not picking some of the reads up a little quicker but at the same time we cannot stop practice every 5 minutes for 20 minutes to walk Kamario through the reads.

KT has been on campus 11 months now. How can he not be further along? Is he getting any development? More coaching fails?

[msstate7]

Shapen did cost us the game and he took responsibility. And we have fans who are calling him out that are saying some things that are unfair to him. Both can be true.

What's rich is you saying that you want to call our coaches for not putting players in a position to succeed while then championing for the coach to play the QB that gives us the least chance to succeed right now.

Said qb is already playing. I've called for a series or 2 every game, but I want some 1-read passes added to his role. This is hardly a controversial take.

ETA... post 2 of this thread

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?103817-shapen-vs-corral

[msstate7]

Delete.

[Bothrops]

Don't have time to quarterback whisper anymore. These guys need to start practicing in the summertime 11 on 11 in a field somewhere. Five days a week all day

[DownwardDawg]

KT has been on campus 11 months now. How can he not be further along? Is he getting any development? More coaching fails?

Or........maybe it has nothing to do with the coaches or their coaching.

[archdog]

We're not going to start Kamario if that is what you're hoping. Even in the event of an injury, the backup would be Luke. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok!! I think some people are thinking that this is NCAA Football and you can just plug anyone in and everything works great. Kamario needs work. He's having trouble picking up the playbook and having trouble making the correct reads. Look no further than Saturday. 3 of his 4 plays in the middle of the field were RPOs. If he hands off on even one of them, Gayten has a first down. He's gotten by on his athleticism for so long that he's still figuring out how to make the correct reads in real time.

And btw, none of that makes him a bad player. It makes him a Freshman. Which he is. The kid is extremely athletic and has all the physical tools to be a great, he just needs coaching and development.

I am so tired of having players that are not ready. They have had 4 months of practice. WTF is the issue? How do other teams that have freshman OL or freshman QBs get their players ready?

[archdog]

Or........maybe it has nothing to do with the coaches or their coaching.

Or maybe it does.

[Todd4State]

Said qb is already playing. I've called for a series or 2 every game, but I want some 1-read passes added to his role. This is hardly a controversial take.

ETA... post 2 of this thread

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?103817-shapen-vs-corral

So you basically want to waste a drive on a team that is struggling on offense so you can watch a QB that runs? Lebby has given KT some one read plays- and KT usually runs on those too. Happened against Tennessee.

[Todd4State]

I am so tired of having players that are not ready. They have had 4 months of practice. WTF is the issue? How do other teams that have freshman OL or freshman QBs get their players ready?

You only see the unicorns that are ready. What you don't see is the vast majority that aren't ready like KT. It's a huge jump from high school to SEC. You can't just outathlete people in the SEC unless you are someone like Herschel Walker who was basically an Olympic caliber athlete.

[HoopsDawg]

I am so tired of having players that are not ready. They have had 4 months of practice. WTF is the issue? How do other teams that have freshman OL or freshman QBs get their players ready?

Who are all these freshman QBs you mention? Eli Manning? Arch Manning? Dak? Cam Newton? None of these guys played as true freshman. No one should have been more ready than the Manning kids. Yet, you and others want to blame Lebby for not having a true freshman from Noxubee high school ready to play over a 24 year old veteran? The IQ of our fanbase is really disturbing. Very, very few posters on this board have even a basic level of football knowledge.

[msstate7]

So you basically want to waste a drive on a team that is struggling on offense so you can watch a QB that runs? Lebby has given KT some one read plays- and KT usually runs on those too. Happened against Tennessee.

In 3 conference games, Shapen has accounted for 2 tds and 5 TOs, and KT has accounted for 1 td and 0 TOs. I don't think 1 series with Shapen not out there is a killer. Find a couple plays he runs well and get his feet wet. Hell if KT had got his series at 1st and goal vs Tennessee, we might not still be winless in conf. If nothing else, you put out there that KT will throw the ball, his short yardage series will be much more effective. What we got to lose? 16 straight sec games?

[basedog]

As someone who kinda knows how bad "we fans" get after a loss and make brutal comments about certain player on any social media platform. It's sickening, nothing wrong with calling maybe for a change but to attach a player with crazy comments is wrong! ED has gotten pretty negative and is somewhat understanding with football losses, getting on coaches or calling them out is one thing but players, naw man, we need to cool it. Also to be clear, players should turn off the phone when playing, I relize it's the world we live in and as a society in America and the world, it's gotten out of hand and sickening to me. Do it private but stay off social media about players or at least choose words more carefully!

Hey, blast me all you want, I ain't preaching plus I may have choice words but it's more in public.

[StarkVegasSteve]

As someone who kinda knows how bad "we fans" get after a loss and make brutal comments about certain player on any social media platform. It's sickening, nothing wrong with calling maybe for a change but to attach a player with crazy comments is wrong! ED has gotten pretty negative and is somewhat understanding with football losses, getting on coaches or calling them out is one thing but players, naw man, we need to cool it. Also to be clear, players should turn off the phone when playing, I relize it's the world we live in and as a society in America and the world, it's gotten out of hand and sickening to me. Do it private but stay off social media about players or at least choose words more carefully!

Hey, blast me all you want, I ain't preaching plus I may have choice words but it's more in public.

100% agree. It has gotten way out of hand attacking players, especially on social media. I searched Blake Shapen on Twitter after the game and some of the stuff I saw, from people whose bio says they are True Maroon or whatever, was just sickening. Like he lost a game and lost in excruciating fashion but some of the comments went way over the line.

[basedog]

100% agree. It has gotten way out of hand attacking players, especially on social media.

The thing about football, it's a team sport, yes a player can make a mistake and it could cost their team the game, but it's way more to losing than one play. Also it's so easy being an armchair QB, LOL, no doubt players and coaches have to have alligator skin to survive.

Man a few on here are like a broken record and hate to be called out and will argue with the devil about saving their soul!

[Coursesuper]

The thing about football, it's a team sport, yes a player can make a mistake and it could cost their team the game, but it's way more to losing than one play. Also it's so easy being an armchair QB, LOL, no doubt players and coaches have to have alligator skin to survive.

Man a few on here are like a broken record and hate to be called out and will argue with the devil about saving their soul!

No kidding, you nailed that one.

[Saltydog]

Put out a photo that said 17 the haters. Not in great taste since you were the one who lost the game but honestly, people are just finding reasons to get mad at Shapen.

Nick Fitzgerald did the same thing after LSU in 18, and even went after some people on social media, and he was a hero 6 days later. Winning Cures All. If Shapen leads us to a win against Texas everyone will quickly forget.

Then it's only going to get worse because we aren't beating them, even with Bad Arch...........Their DL is destroy our OL...........

[StarkVegasSteve]

Then it's only going to get worse because we aren't beating them, even with Bad Arch...........Their DL is destroy our OL...........

I thought that would happen at Kentucky but Kentucky moved the ball pretty well on them. They had a TO on downs in the red zone early and missed a FG midway through the 3rd or they beat Texas. We are probably going to have to double or chip on Simmons. I think we also may see some screens here and there to keep him guessing a bit.

[msstate7]

I thought that would happen at Kentucky but Kentucky moved the ball pretty well on them. They had a TO on downs in the red zone early and missed a FG midway through the 3rd or they beat Texas. We are probably going to have to double or chip on Simmons. I think we also may see some screens here and there to keep him guessing a bit.

I would feel much better about this game had they rolled Kentucky. They probably come much more prepared this week

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would feel much better about this game had they rolled Kentucky. They probably come much more prepared this week

I keep thinking that. I just don't think they're very explosive offensively and, although good defensively, they give up some yardage.

[EdwardDrayton]

The thing about football, it's a team sport, yes a player can make a mistake and it could cost their team the game, but it's way more to losing than one play. Also it's so easy being an armchair QB, LOL, no doubt players and coaches have to have alligator skin to survive.

Man a few on here are like a broken record and hate to be called out and will argue with the devil about saving their soul!

^^^^^

[MoreCowbell]

KT will not start or get more playing time. LEB said that When KT was in he had the RPO and was clueless on what to do except rub up the middle when the handoff would've been a big gain/. He isn't ready. Now that could be the fault of the coach also. I hate the RPO it takes all the responsibility off the coach and puts it on a kid who clearly isn't ready. Dam Leb at least you could have a very basic package for him with called plays,

I will be honest, I am pretty worried that a heralded QB recruit who has been on campus for a good while and who we are expecting to do big things cannot even properly read a designed RPO especially for him, that he has been practicing. That is very worrisome.

[DownwardDawg]

I will be honest, I am pretty worried that a heralded QB recruit who has been on campus for a good while and who we are expecting to do big things cannot even properly read a designed RPO especially for him, that he has been practicing. That is very worrisome.

I'm right there with you. I fully expect he will not be the starter next year. Then, who know what will happen with him....
I sure hope I'm wrong. I hope the light switches on and he is an absolute beast next season. I've been excited about him for a while.

[Coach34]

In 3 conference games, Shapen has accounted for 2 tds and 5 TOs, and KT has accounted for 1 td and 0 TOs.

KT cost us a TD vs A&M with the motion penalty

We went 73 yards in 7 plays with Shapen then KT took the snap for a 2 yard TD. Let's not act like he led some dynamic drive. He took the snap and ran forward

[Coach34]

I'm right there with you. I fully expect he will not be the starter next year. Then, who know what will happen with him....
I sure hope I'm wrong. I hope the light switches on and he is an absolute beast next season. I've been excited about him for a while.

Once the offseason gets here- he will begin film study sessions and such to help him continue to get better and learn whats going on. He will have time to throw routes on certain days and all that. Then Spring practice begins where he will be 6 months older and more used to the speed at which he has to play at. Again- Eli Manning RS'ed. Dak did too. Cam Newton didnt do anything his 1st 2 years of college and then showed at in juco in his 3rd year. This year's Heisman frontrunner at the moment- Ty Simpson- RS'ed his Freshman year. Sayin at Ohio State RS'ed also.

Acting like he is a failure because he isnt ready is ridiculous.

[msstate7]

KT cost us a TD vs A&M with the motion penalty

We went 73 yards in 7 plays with Shapen then KT took the snap for a 2 yard TD. Let's not act like he led some dynamic drive. He took the snap and ran forward

One lineman jumped. Hard to pin that on KT. If it were 2-3 guys that moved, probably so