Grounded perspective

[Maverick91]

Look I am not happy. We should be 6-1 right now and in the thick of SEC championship conversation. But we are not, and it sucks. We are 4-3 and it sucks. It sucks losing in a manner than you know you should have won. It sucks knowing what we had potential to do and seeing what we will probably become reality.

Those of you calling for Lebby to be fired seem to forget all the just stupid and ridiculous boneheaded things Mullen did. LSU in 2015 ring a bell, we just couldn't call a timeout. That's one ridiculous example that you guys would be railing Lebby for and Dan was 7 years into his head coaching career.

Yeah. I'm irritated and disappointed and frustrated.

But, what I see is a team that doesn't know how to put their foot on someone's throat and kick it in, what I see is a team that is tremendously hampered by a QB that for reason I don't know cannot hit his target like he should 7 games into the seasons. We should have gone into halftime 21/28-10. If not more, I think they would have quit.

What you guys aren't seeing is coaches putting the players in position to win and then just not winning. That's talent, focus whatever you want to put it on.

What you are seeing is the drudge of a roster still being turned over.

Did you guys forget that Mullen wouldn't play a younger player to save his life. And you guys are mad at a second year coach playing a guy that has won a lot of money to play, and you are mad at him for that.

What you are mad at is seeing a 2-10 team a season ago that is a few terrible plays away from being 6-1 and it sucks.

Sometimes it just sucks. We have to be better at QB moving forward. I hope and pray Shapen can land that long ball soon we can win some freaking games if he does.

Also, don't forget what Lebby and co have done on the defensive side of the ball. That's crazy.

Give it time.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

[Todd4State]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

Dan also didn't take over for Arnett. Croom left our program in decent shape.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan also didn't take over for Arnett. Croom left our program in decent shape.

Sure, but it was pretty obvious by end of Dan Mullen's first season that he was going to be a good coach for us. Not a perfect one, but a good one, and he proved even more by the midpoint of year 2.

Lebby hasn't done anything like that, not even close. I still have hope that he figures it out, but he just hasn't given us any reason for optimism like Mullen did.

[Coursesuper]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

Dan came into some talent, this staff came into none. It is an apples and watermelon difference.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan came into some talent, this staff came into none. It is an apples and watermelon difference.

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

[DawgFromOxford]

Coming into the season I thought we would finish 5-7 most likely. 4-8 at worst, 7-5 at best. So we are right about where I thought we would be with games against Texas, Arkansas, and OM still to go. 3 games that I think we have a chance at winning.

I get being mad that we lost 2 games we had the potential to win but I don?t remember anybody predicting us to start the season 6-1. Lebby had some questionable play calls at times but every coach does, and they get magnified in a loss. He also had game winning play calls dialed up and Shapen didn?t execute.

The offense reminds me of our basketball team a couple of years ago where we lived and died on the Josh Hubbard 3. Currently we live and die on Shapen?s deep ball to score or get us in scoring range.

[Maverick91]

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

I disagree with your first paragraph. Lebby has called the right plays to be 6-1 Shapen has missed the balls that shouldn't have been missed, hand off instead of scoop and score against Tennessee, and the three terrible TD throws last night. The plays were dialed up correctly. Shapen didn't execute.

[msstate7]

I disagree with your first paragraph. Lebby has called the right plays to be 6-1 Shapen has missed the balls that shouldn't have been missed, hand off instead of scoop and score against Tennessee, and the three terrible TD throws last night. The plays were dialed up correctly. Shapen didn't execute.

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

[Coursesuper]

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

No, we do not have the players yet. If we did we would be 6-1. We are still missing players in order to win right now, mainly at QB and on the DL. But we are vastly improved and the players are in position to make plays but it?s not happening yet. I feel like it?s going to happen just not on many folks around here?s timeline.

[Quaoarsking]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Lebby tried pretty hard to get a big name QB transfer and failed. In hindsight, it should have been a huge red flag.

Edit - To be fair, that failure is probably a function of our NIL not being good enough than on Lebby personally though.

[msstate7]

Lebby tried pretty hard to get a big name QB transfer and failed. In hindsight, it should have been a huge red flag.

Edit - To be fair, that failure is probably a function of our NIL not being good enough than on Lebby personally though.

There's guys out there. OM found one in D2 that can run lane's offense

[msstate7]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

[DEDawg]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Write the check

[Quaoarsking]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

I've heard that MVB primarily left because we were pursuing Jackson Arnold instead of committing to him, but then we ended up with neither. If that's true, that's really frustrating.

[DEDawg]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

1.2M for MVB. Shapen and Luke making 600k. Write the check for the difference.

[DEDawg]

I've heard that MVB primarily left because we were pursuing Jackson Arnold instead of committing to him, but then we ended up with neither. If that's true, that's really frustrating.

MVB left because we would not pay him 1.2. This is the world we live in now.

[msstate7]

1.2M for MVB. Shapen and Luke making 600k. Write the check for the difference.

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

[DEDawg]

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

Not 2M that AU gave him

[msstate7]

Not 2M that AU gave him

It wasn't 600k either

[R2Dawg]

Dan also didn't take over for Arnett. Croom left our program in decent shape.

There was some talent on the team but the program had had one winning season in what 7 years? Croom was a disaster, lost the fan base, etc. Today NIL, transfer just can't compare the two eras.

Mullen proved in year one he made a huge difference. With a more favorable OC games we go bowling in year 1. Just can't compare both eras.

[DEDawg]

It wasn't 600k either

We didnt have the money to buy Arnold. So why didn?t you write a check so we can go get someone better than Shapen? See how dumb this argument is? If we have more money we have a better team. That simple.

[Quaoarsking]

I disagree with the notion that you can't point out deficiencies in our roster if you can't afford to fix them personally.

[msstate7]

We didnt have the money to buy Arnold. So why didn?t you write a check so we can go get someone better than Shapen? See how dumb this argument is? If we have more money we have a better team. That simple.

We thought we had Arnold, so we did have the money till it went up.

While I don't give a ton, I do give. At what money level can I have an opinion?

[Coursesuper]

We thought we had Arnold, so we did have the money till it went up.

While I don't give a ton, I do give. At what money level can I have an opinion?

Without a doubt two of the most tone deaf post ever made on this board. Watch of the fellas the that forest is dense.

[EdwardDrayton]

I disagree with the notion that you can't point out deficiencies in our roster if you can't afford to fix them personally.

^^^^^

[msstate7]

Without a doubt two of the most tone deaf post ever made on this board. Watch of the fellas the that forest is dense.

Can you post anything but insults toward me? You really don't bother me bc I'm fine not getting pats on the back here, but you add literally nothing to a discussion.

[DEDawg]

We thought we had Arnold, so we did have the money till it went up.

While I don't give a ton, I do give. At what money level can I have an opinion?

This is literally my point. You said if only there was a way to get another qb this offseason. I will assume you mean one better than Shapen. Looks like that number is at least $1.2M. We were wiling to go higher than that for JA but not up to 2M. If we wanted a better qb someone has to write the check. Also if we spent 1.5 on a QB you can say goodbye to 2-3 other starters

[msstate7]

This is literally my point. You said if only there was a way to get another qb this offseason. I will assume you mean one better than Shapen. Looks like that number is at least $1.2M. We were wiling to go higher than that for JA but not up to 2M. If we wanted a better qb someone has to write the check. Also if we spent 1.5 on a QB you can say goodbye to 2-3 other starters

So, we indeed did have more than 600k for a qb. Thanks.

BTW, chambliss (#8 nationally in qbr) signed for 500k

[DEDawg]

I disagree with the notion that you can't point out deficiencies in our roster if you can't afford to fix them personally.

Of course. But some people either refuse or can?t be objective and think we have what we have because our coach is stupid and just decided to sit on his hands this offseason cause he loves Shapen so much. That guy cant have a good faith discussion so much easier to argue down, therefore my comment is he can go write the check. Dumb it down for him what needs to be done.

[DEDawg]

So, we indeed did have more than 600k for a qb. Thanks.

BTW, chambliss (#8 nationally in qbr) signed for 500k
Yes I have said that 3 times now. We had more than 600k. We did not have enough to buy JA or the other highly ranked transfers. Write the check so we can.

[msstate7]

Yes I have said that 3 times now. We had more than 600k. We did not have enough to buy JA or the other highly ranked transfers. Write the check so we can.

I just posted one that was cheap. Lane found one.

[Coursesuper]

Can you post anything but insults toward me? You really don't bother me bc I'm fine not getting pats on the back here, but you add literally nothing to a discussion.

That?s just it, your discussion points are mostly inane and do not deserve any valid response. This is endlessly pointed out to you by countless other poster here and you never get the point. You are incapable of understanding anything other than what you have already made up your mind on. Therefore consider this me pointing and laughing at you and your breathtakingly ignorant comments and statements. I have had enough of you now, good evening.

[DEDawg]

I just posted one that was cheap. Lane found one.
Why did every other D1 program who needed a QB not offer him? Why did Ole Miss let us get Kelley Jones? If you are expecting your coach to be omnipotent in the portal you are gonna hate whoever we hire next too.

[msstate7]

That?s just it, your discussion points are mostly inane and do not deserve any valid response. This is endlessly pointed out to you by countless other poster here and you never get the point. You are incapable of understanding anything other than what you have already made up your mind on. Therefore consider this me pointing and laughing at you and your breathtakingly ignorant comments and statements. I have had enough of you now, good evening.

My discussion points...

Shapen is bad, and paying him was a mistake.
Our coach should have a conf winning % above 0.

[msstate7]

Well the season will play out, and either I or you guys will be proven right. Really hope I'm the one that's wrong about 4-8

[TrapGame]

Well the season will play out, and either I or you guys will be proven right. Really hope I'm the one that's wrong about 4-8

Just put some Dale's on your crow if if happens. ***

[msstate7]

Just put some Dale's on your crow if if happens. ***

Man, I will. I've owned my Jans' DA comments for years now. That was a Florida loss that lit my fuse then also, ironically

[EdwardDrayton]

Can you post anything but insults toward me? You really don't bother me bc I'm fine not getting pats on the back here, but you add literally nothing to a discussion.

That's his modus operandi. Always has been.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It wasn't 600k either

Between 1.2-1.5

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just posted one that was cheap. Lane found one.

And if Lebby would have brought in a D2 kid people like you would have mutinied and said he had no clue what he was doing. You have made up your mind on Lebby just like you did on Jans.

[msstate7]

And if Lebby would have brought in a D2 kid people like you would have mutinied and said he had no clue what he was doing. You have made up your mind on Lebby just like you did on Jans.

He has 5 more chances to prove me wrong. Maybe he will. Hopefully he will.

[Coach34]

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

We promised Arnold $1MM. Auburn doubled it

[StarkVegasSteve]

He has 5 more chances to prove me wrong. Maybe he will. Hopefully he will.

I believe he will. I think we find a way to 6. Lebby called a hell of a game yesterday and Shapen has shown the ability to hit the deep ball. Those will not be incompletions every time. I actually think our offense is going to give Texas all sorts of issues.

[msstate7]

I believe he will. I think we find a way to 6. Lebby called a hell of a game yesterday and Shapen has shown the ability to hit the deep ball. Those will not be incompletions every time. I actually think our offense is going to give Texas all sorts of issues.

Now that will be very surprising. This will be the best defense we've saw this season by far

[StarkVegasSteve]

Now that will be very surprising. This will be the best defense we've saw this season by far

We gave them issues last year too and had far worse offensive line. And I think they had a slightly better defense. The deep shots were there last year, our receivers just dropped two of them.

[msstate7]

We gave them issues last year too and had far worse offensive line. And I think they had a slightly better defense. The deep shots were there last year, our receivers just dropped two of them.

Better give him time. Texas gets after the qb

[StarkVegasSteve]

Better give him time. Texas gets after the qb

They do. But I know Lebby will have a great game plan. Hell he had an incredible game plan yesterday, we just missed 3 throws.

[msstate7]

They do. But I know Lebby will have a great game plan. Hell he had an incredible game plan yesterday, we just missed 3 throws.

And he handled tenn's pressure pretty well. aTm completed dominated us with their pressure

[confucius say]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

He also took over a roster in 2009 full of nfl guys.
Lebby took over a dumpster fire.

[bulldawg28]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Lebby let our answer for Qb this year leave for LSU. The true freshman last year played better than our 6th year senior has this year.

[bulldawg28]

We promised Arnold $1MM. Auburn doubled it

Thank God because he's not worth it.

[parabrave]

Lebby let our answer for Qb this year leave for LSU. The true freshman last year played better than our 6th year senior has this year.

And Kelley keeps on trotting out a wounded duck every week who can't throw with any velocity nor run instead of MVB who has starting experience.

[Bothrops]

Look I am not happy. We should be 6-1 right now and in the thick of SEC championship conversation. But we are not, and it sucks. We are 4-3 and it sucks. It sucks losing in a manner than you know you should have won. It sucks knowing what we had potential to do and seeing what we will probably become reality.

Those of you calling for Lebby to be fired seem to forget all the just stupid and ridiculous boneheaded things Mullen did. LSU in 2015 ring a bell, we just couldn't call a timeout. That's one ridiculous example that you guys would be railing Lebby for and Dan was 7 years into his head coaching career.

Yeah. I'm irritated and disappointed and frustrated.

But, what I see is a team that doesn't know how to put their foot on someone's throat and kick it in, what I see is a team that is tremendously hampered by a QB that for reason I don't know cannot hit his target like he should 7 games into the seasons. We should have gone into halftime 21/28-10. If not more, I think they would have quit.

What you guys aren't seeing is coaches putting the players in position to win and then just not winning. That's talent, focus whatever you want to put it on.

What you are seeing is the drudge of a roster still being turned over.

Did you guys forget that Mullen wouldn't play a younger player to save his life. And you guys are mad at a second year coach playing a guy that has won a lot of money to play, and you are mad at him for that.

What you are mad at is seeing a 2-10 team a season ago that is a few terrible plays away from being 6-1 and it sucks.

Sometimes it just sucks. We have to be better at QB moving forward. I hope and pray Shapen can land that long ball soon we can win some freaking games if he does.

Also, don't forget what Lebby and co have done on the defensive side of the ball. That's crazy.

Give it time.

I'm not giving up on Lebby yet, I just don't know if anyone can win here (that we could get) in post BCS college football. I have serious doubts. The money has already gotten retarded and the competition embraces that. We don't, and that's a problem. It's a cultural thing with us. It's reckless, it's flashy, and the whole NIL era is dishonest. We have to spend 25-30 million dollars for a bowl worthy roster every season now. I'm I wrong? Have you seen the high school recruits from Mississippi lately? Like the top 20? Yeah, they lost interest in us awfully fast.

[Maverick91]

I'm not giving up on Lebby yet, I just don't know if anyone can win here (that we could get) in post BCS college football. I have serious doubts. The money has already gotten retarded and the competition embraces that. We don't, and that's a problem. It's a cultural thing with us. It's reckless, it's flashy, and the whole NIL era is dishonest. We have to spend 25-30 million dollars for a bowl worthy roster every season now. I'm I wrong? Have you seen the high school recruits from Mississippi lately? Like the top 20? Yeah, they lost interest in us awfully fast.

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

[msstate7]

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

Only difference, huh? Yeah, free agency every year is nothing new

[StarkVegasSteve]

Only difference, huh? Yeah, free agency every year is nothing new

I mean players have always been able to transfer as well. And some were even paid to transfer. The immediate eligibility thing is where they screwed up. If they would just revert back to one free transfer and then you have to sit out I think things would calm down some.

[msstate7]

I mean players have always been able to transfer as well. And some were even paid to transfer. The immediate eligibility thing is where they screwed up. If they would just revert back to one free transfer and then you have to sit out I think things would calm down some.

They went from the following...

Players have leverage in recruiting and schools have leverage once you sign. Now players have leverage at all times. Unless you have a check on the players, the system will fail at some point

[StarkVegasSteve]

They went from the following...

Players have leverage in recruiting and schools have leverage once you sign. Now players have leverage at all times. Unless you have a check on the players, the system will fail at some point

None of what you've said is wrong. The pendulum swung far too much to the players side and they are not going to let it go back. Why would they? I wouldn't if before I was making a couple grand a month to know making 5-10K a month. We have PLAYERS living in the nicest subdivisions in Starkville.

[msstate7]

None of what you've said is wrong. The pendulum swung far too much to the players side and they are not going to let it go back. Why would they? I wouldn't if before I was making a couple grand a month to know making 5-10K a month. We have PLAYERS living in the nicest subdivisions in Starkville.

You just make signings binding for both sides. Sign a player, keep a player for 2-3 seasons. If you get rid of said player, you lose that scholarship. If you leave before that period is up, well, you sit till it is.

[R2Dawg]

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

Yep you nailed it. It is a catch 22 now too and a bubble that will burst. Fans demand a ROI for investment, coaches and players get paid results or not. So coaches get fired quickly, players leave quickly. It will collapse at some point.

[Maverick91]

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

And I understand that. But it having to be under the table at least gave room for the other aspect that are purposeful for college to have a seat at the table.

[Political Hack]

When people define players, especially QBs, by a handful of mistakes instead of the 98% they make the right read and do the right thing, it makes me question their judgement. Tom Brady threw picks. Peyton Manning threw picks. Lamar Jackson throws picks. They all lost games. We're night and day better than last year. Progress. Moving in the right direction. I think we should keep building and quit trying to destroy progress.

[msstate7]

When people define players, especially QBs, by a handful of mistakes instead of the 98% they make the right read and do the right thing, it makes me question their judgement. Tom Brady threw picks. Peyton Manning threw picks. Lamar Jackson throws picks. They all lost games. We're night and day better than last year. Progress. Moving in the right direction. I think we should keep building and quit trying to destroy progress.

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.

[Political Hack]

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.

QBR places a lot of emphasis on TDs, which is largely up to the skills you're throwing to. He's on pace for 3,000 yards, 250 completions (and 20+ TDs), but he's doing a great job distributing the football. 98% of the time.

[Maverick91]

QBR places a lot of emphasis on TDs, which is largely up to the skills you're throwing to. He's on pace for 3,000 yards, 250 completions (and 20+ TDs), but he's doing a great job distributing the football. 98% of the time.

Yeah well if he was a little more accurate he would have had three other TDs this past weekend at least.

[Coach34]

Shapen is 15/16 in qbr among sec QBs. He's 79th nationally. Sorta weird to mention a senior qb in the company of those guys as if he's on their path. His football career is almost over.

He's also:

5th in completion %
10th in TD's passes
11th in yards passing despite us being very good on the ground
11th in yards per passing

[Cowbeller]

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao

[msstate7]

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao

Just shut up using saban. Saban had a poor year 1, but signed perhaps the greatest class in history that offseason. Go look up his year 2.

[Cowbeller]

Just shut up using saban. Saban had a poor year 1, but signed perhaps the greatest class in history that offseason. Go look up his year 2.

It’s not apples to apples. Are you that dense? Everyone loves patting Selmon on the back for catching up our NIL, you think the head football coach doesn’t play a part in that. We are not Bama, it takes time.

I guarantee you are only an armchair genius once the clock is under 5 min. How do you think we keep staying in games, coaching is there. Be mad all you want but it aint getting better with a new staff, he has until next year minimum.

[msstate7]

It’s not apples to apples. Are you that dense? Everyone loves patting Selmon on the back for catching up our NIL, you think the head football coach doesn’t play a part in that. We are not Bama, it takes time.

I guarantee you are only an armchair genius once the clock is under 5 min. How do you think we keep staying in games, coaching is there. Be mad all you want but it aint getting better with a new staff, he has until next year minimum.

I'm not mad. Comparing Lebby, who has never won a sec game to Saban (already with a ring from lsu) was dumb. Compare him to vandy's guy, and hope he becomes him. Lebby shouldn't be mentioned with Saban imo.

[Cowbeller]

I'm not mad. Comparing Lebby, who has never won a sec game to Saban (already with a ring from lsu) was dumb. Compare him to vandy's guy, and hope he becomes him. Lebby shouldn't be mentioned with Saban imo.

Yes that is exactly what I meant. Lebby equals Saban, cmon man its a hyperbole about our whiny fans

[msstate7]

Yes that is exactly what I meant. Lebby equals Saban, cmon man its a hyperbole about our whiny fans

"I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao".

What did you mean by this then? Saban was 7-6 (4-4) in his first season and was in the sec championship game at 12-0 (8-0) jn year 2

[Bothrops]

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

There is a difference. The difference is the size of the money. It's way up in the hundreds of thousands and even millions now and costs are going up by the week.

[Cowbeller]

"I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao".

What did you mean by this then? Saban was 7-6 (4-4) in his first season and was in the sec championship game at 12-0 (8-0) jn year 2

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.

[msstate7]

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.

The only ones that are saying he should be fired are basing it on IF he goes 0-8 in the sec. 0-16 is pretty hard to defend. If he gets 1 (one) win, no one will have a problem bringing him back. 7-17 (.292) overall and 1-15 (.063) is a pretty low bar.

[Cowbeller]

First off, thats not true. Second the record would be a sore spot admittedly but we need to use the eye test and it has shown nothing but upward trajectory.

Our own DC is a great example of how quickly things can improve.

[msstate7]

Guess I can't speak for everyone; but if he gets another win this season, I want him back.

[Quaoarsking]

It's completely irrelevant if we're better than last year. Compare us to how we were before Lebby got here. Otherwise, Lebby basically gets more credit because he lost a lot of games last year than he would if he hadn't.

Like, if Lebby went 5-7 last year and was generally competitive, and then 2025 so far was the same as in real life, would you feel better or worse? I'd sure feel better, even though the "we're so improved" argument wouldn't be there anymore.

[Quaoarsking]

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

[Cowbeller]

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

Cant help you if you actually believe that to be the case after Cohen/Leach/Arnett.

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someones job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

[Quaoarsking]

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someones job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

[Cowbeller]

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

You say you arent implying that then go on to say he dug himself into that hole. Thats my exact point, he did not cause that last year. He made due with what he could and again has us on an upward trajectory with no ceiling yet.

[TrapGame]

Cant help you if you actually believe that to be the case after Cohen/Leach/Arnett.

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someone?s job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

People refuse to understand how bad it was last year. It?s either ignorance or an agenda. Lebby walked into an absolute mess. He is still cleaning it up. It also did not help that Cohen had no clue how to handle NIL. It took Selmon righting that ship.

[Quaoarsking]

You say you arent implying that then go on to say he dug himself into that hole. Thats my exact point, he did not cause that last year. He made due with what he could and again has us on an upward trajectory with no ceiling yet.

Sorry, but any reasonable SEC head coach beats Toledo. Or at least doesn't get embarrassed by them. That one is on Lebby.

[Quaoarsking]

The best pro-Lebby argument you can make is "sure, he sucked last year and finished 2-10 when a good coach would have won 4 or 5 games and had more competitive losses instead of weekly embarrassments. But this year he has improved to 'ok' so that's a good trajectory. Lots of head coaches improve in the early years of their tenure, and I think Lebby is on that path."

Make that argument, and I can't really refute it. Don't give us some disingenuous "actually your eyes and the data are wrong, just believe me uncritically!" screed that convinces no one.

[Coach34]

People refuse to understand how bad it was last year. It?s either ignorance or an agenda. Lebby walked into an absolute mess. He is still cleaning it up. It also did not help that Cohen had no clue how to handle NIL. It took Selmon righting that ship.

plus he wasnt hardly given any money to spend last season. He was given G5 money to build a roster

[Coach34]

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

[Coursesuper]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

Anyone that can't recognize how tough the gig at state is is definitely not tethered to reality.

[EdwardDrayton]

Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

[Cowbeller]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

Exactly. We have championship expectations, the toughest competition in the country, and like you said a NIL that was behind from the start. I dont think its crazy to have playoff expectations, I have them myself but you cant build Rome overnight and definitely not with a new regime every two years.


Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

Im saying the exact opposite of this. He will win in the SEC, but he needs time and resources and he has already proven that he can make positive change. Football and life are interchangeable. You think any successful company did not have set backs and mistakes from leadership at any point. Of course they did, strong leaders learn and improve which we are seeing.

[Coach34]

Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

Cant move to the AAC. We need that welfare check too much. Plus we are good nationally in basketball and baseball because they dont cost as much to fund.

[Cowbeller]

The best pro-Lebby argument you can make is "sure, he sucked last year and finished 2-10 when a good coach would have won 4 or 5 games and had more competitive losses instead of weekly embarrassments. But this year he has improved to 'ok' so that's a good trajectory. Lots of head coaches improve in the early years of their tenure, and I think Lebby is on that path."

Make that argument, and I can't really refute it. Don't give us some disingenuous "actually your eyes and the data are wrong, just believe me uncritically!" screed that convinces no one.

Marcus Freeman lost to NIU last year. Is he a bad coach? Not that crazy anymore to lose G5 games if you aren’t invested fully with a stable program.

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

[msstate7]

Exactly. We have championship expectations,

Im .

This is insane. Lebby's critics want a conference win, and this somehow equals championship expectations in your mind. You're either trolling or more dense than platinum.

[msstate7]

Marcus Freeman lost to NIU last year. Is he a bad coach? Not that crazy anymore to lose G5 games if you aren?t invested fully with a stable program.

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

Again with the dumb comparisons... freeman then went on a run to get to the championship game. After the Toledo game, we lost all 8 sec games by 2 scores or more. We've lost 11 straight sec games under Lebby. If he pulls one out this Saturday, he will be celebrated by everyone here, which is crazy considering we have "championship expectations"

[Cowbeller]

This is insane. Lebby's critics want a conference win, and this somehow equals championship expectations in your mind. You're either trolling or more dense than platinum.

Stubborn/dense whatever you want to call it but our losses are Tenn, A&M, and UF. All preseason contenders and two still are. It’s not like we have lost three straight to Kentucky at home. We are quite literally less than ten plays away from 6-1 and somehow that equals a bad coach? We have missed some opportunities coaching and player execution wise but lets not panic

[Cowbeller]

Again with the dumb comparisons... freeman then went on a run to get to the championship game. After the Toledo game, we lost all 8 sec games by 2 scores or more. We've lost 11 straight sec games under Lebby. If he pulls one out this Saturday, he will be celebrated by everyone here, which is crazy considering we have "championship expectations"

Going to challenge you to critical thinking here. What is the difference between last years ND and MSUs rosters?

[msstate7]

Going to challenge you to critical thinking here. What is the difference between last years ND and MSUs rosters?

I think you should do the same. The loss for freeman absolutely lit a fire under him and his team. That loss was rocket fuel to them, and he proved it was an absolute fluke. We did no such thing.

[Cowbeller]

I think you should do the same. The loss for freeman absolutely lit a fire under him and his team. That loss was rocket fuel to them, and he proved it was an absolute fluke. We did no such thing.

Lol the loss to Toledo was not a fluke. It was bad luck, poor effort, poor planning, and poor decision making by the former AD office. Then we went into SEC play with the same roster and we expected something different than what we saw.

[Quaoarsking]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

If all you mean is wins and losses, then yes it's easier to have a winning record at USF or Memphis. But if you mean the probability of getting ranked, finishing ranked, making the playoffs, or winning the whole thing, it's definitely easier to do all 4 of those at Mississippi State than it is at any G5 school, or a lot of ACC or Big 12 programs.

[Cowbeller]

If all you mean is wins and losses, then yes it's easier to have a winning record at USF or Memphis. But if you mean the probability of getting ranked, finishing ranked, making the playoffs, or winning the whole thing, it's definitely easier to do all 4 of those at Mississippi State than it is at any G5 school, or a lot of ACC or Big 12 programs.

But you arent getting fired for not making the playoffs at Memphis. Here eventually your time would run out.

[msstate7]

Lol the loss to Toledo was not a fluke. It was bad luck, poor effort, poor planning, and poor decision making by the former AD office. Then we went into SEC play with the same roster and we expected something different than what we saw.

Oh, so Toledo was the better team? If so, your freeman example is even worse.

[RezDog7]

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao

Since we are not as good as others in NIL funds it would be idiotic to fire a coach after two years. I love his offensive scheme. I believe we will continue to get better. Lebby may still have some growing pains but I've seen enough good in just one year to keep believing.

[Maverick91]

Anyone that can't recognize how tough the gig at state is is definitely not tethered to reality.

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

[Quaoarsking]

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.

I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.

That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.

[Quaoarsking]

But you arent getting fired for not making the playoffs at Memphis. Here eventually your time would run out.

No, here you can go 0-11 and fans will defend you no matter what.

[msstate7]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

ED, "winning here is extremely hard"
Also ED, "Thank God, Mullen is gone (who won here)"

[Cowbeller]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

You need to stop looking at it as a negative. Of course winning at an SEC school is tough. The only way to lose the perception is to find a guy not backing down and embracing the challenge year over year until we establish the winning as a norm.

[msstate7]

Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.

I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.

That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.

I match up with on 4/5 coaches. I hated watching us under leach even though the results were acceptable. I wanted Moorhead gone after first sec loss (Kentucky). That was as bad a loss as I can remember considering how talented we were.

[Coach34]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

About $250MM injection into athletics for the Big 3. 150MM for football, 60MM for basketball, and 40MM for beisball

[Coursesuper]

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

How in the world did Lebby dig a hole that a disjointed booster base and an idiotic AD took years to create? I'm truly at a loss to understand that. We our own selves created the shit show that this staff walked into as a matter of fact we are so good at it could be considered professionals because we do it over and over again. We are a for all intents a permanently fractured alumni and booster base that until very recently has been able to chose substantially sub par leadership for the athletic department. Our factions, that were once separated by region now not so much still pull over control, just for the sake of just having control to the detriment of us all. Our Confederate brethren have finally figured this out and it is paying off for them in great fashion. They have a plan and are on the same page from David Nutt to a tick at the Sonic in Batesville. I hope that one day before I am no more that we could do this, but I have zero confidence that this will ever happen, its in our DNA to 17 it up. Just look at this board it proves my thesis everyday.

[Quaoarsking]

How in the world did Lebby dig a hole that a disjointed booster base and an idiotic AD took years to create? I'm truly at a loss to understand that.

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

[TrapGame]

I match up with on 4/5 coaches. I hated watching us under leach even though the results were acceptable. I wanted Moorhead gone after first sec loss (Kentucky). That was as bad a loss as I can remember considering how talented we were.

Kentucky was the canary in the coal mine. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt bc he was new to the SEC. You and I had some really arguments that year. But, year two when Kansas State kicked our dicks in the dirt at home and manhandled us on both sides of the ball, I was 100% done with Joe. I just do not see anything remotely like that with Lebby.

[TrapGame]

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

Brother, we had a bunch of starters last year that probably would have rode the bench at Toledo. I do not think you guys really get how bad our team was last year.

[Quaoarsking]

Brother, we had a bunch of starters last year that probably would have rode the bench at Toledo. I do not think you guys really get how bad our team was last year.

If that's true (it's not), Lebby should have gotten better ones in the portal. Even in 2023 we should have been able to put together a better roster than a MAC also-ran.

[Coursesuper]

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

Just cut off the rest and don?t worry about that. Try and make us believe that all that is currently happening started last year. Don?t worry about the context and of and why we got here, those little details don?t matter. Cherry picking your response, perfectly. Truly the Missippy Tate way. I will never live to see us not bashing our heads against a wall to prove that we are the smallest again and again and again.

[Quaoarsking]

Just cut off the rest and don?t worry about that. Try and make us believe that all that is currently happening started last year. Don?t worry about the context and of and why we got here, those little details don?t matter. Cherry picking your response, perfectly. Truly the Missippy Tate way. I will never live to see us not bashing our heads against a wall to prove that we are the smallest again and again and again.

Actually, I'm the one who says 0-16 shouldn't be acceptable, nor should getting blown out by Toledo, and the small minded poor 'ols are the ones who say that they are.

Disagree with me all you want, but no one would ever confuse me for someone who thinks Mississippi State isn't deserving or capable of elite results.

[TrapGame]

If that's true (it's not), Lebby should have gotten better ones in the portal. Even in 2023 we should have been able to put together a better roster than a MAC also-ran.

I guess you did not hear about the guys we let go last year that could not break the two deep on the teams they went to. So yeah, it?s true.

Lebby did get better guys in the portal, this year. And it shows. And we need more.

We are a year behind not because of Lebby but bc of the circumstances that preceded him. People holding last year over Lebby either have an agenda or are ignorant as hell.

[Coursesuper]

Actually, I'm the one who says 0-16 shouldn't be acceptable, nor should getting blown out by Toledo, and the small minded poor 'ols are the ones who say that they are.

Disagree with me all you want, but no one would ever confuse me for someone who thinks Mississippi State isn't deserving or capable of elite results.

Thinks = believes, believing is easy, knowing is hard. Knowing and knowledge take work, effort and come with experience. Until you can face up to the reality of what our situation actually is and know where our problems live, we will never achieve what you desire. You are reactionary not proactive, that puts you so on point for the way state people are. Don?t get me wrong I do not like where we are right now but I have the ability to understand why we are where we are and can recognize that steps are being taken to address this situation. I realize that most of the time the things that happen fast require little effort are bad and good things take time and require effort and patience to make them happen. But hey, you be you, you gotta live with it not me.

[EdwardDrayton]

Cant move to the AAC. We need that welfare check too much. Plus we are good nationally in basketball and baseball because they dont cost as much to fund.

Isn't that the truth.

[Cowbeller]

Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.

I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.

That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.

Blah blah blah go ahead and call it 5/6 champ

[StarkVegasSteve]

I guess you did not hear about the guys we let go last year that could not break the two deep on the teams they went to. So yeah, it?s true.

Lebby did get better guys in the portal, this year. And it shows. And we need more.

We are a year behind not because of Lebby but bc of the circumstances that preceded him. People holding last year over Lebby either have an agenda or are ignorant as hell.

We are a year behind because a lot in the fanbase, and it's your right btw, refused to embrace NIL and understand you have to spend to compete. Lebby was coming with a spoon to a gun fight. We were getting guys that couldn't get on the field at G5 schools because THAT'S WHAT WE COULD AFFORD. We spent on offense in the 23 offseason because we knew defense would be bad and we were just going to try and outscore everyone. This past offseason, with an infusion of cash, we were actually able to spend effectively on both sides but still lack the depth.

We are miles better than we were when Lebby got here, but some people will never understand how truly bad it was when he got here.

[Maverick91]

You need to stop looking at it as a negative. Of course winning at an SEC school is tough. The only way to lose the perception is to find a guy not backing down and embracing the challenge year over year until we establish the winning as a norm.

I don't see it as a negative. I get frustrated as that is such a loser talking point form fans. Does pissville do this? No! We talk ourselves into thinking we are the scum of the SEC. No wonder coaches see us as a stepping stone.

[Maverick91]

About $250MM injection into athletics for the Big 3. 150MM for football, 60MM for basketball, and 40MM for beisball

Yeah that would help a ton. But perspective and perception are what the mind makes of a situation. And when we sit here and constantly tell ourselves a losers idea. It's just frustrating.

[Cowbeller]

I retract everything. I was wrong