I want Dan back

[Tater]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

[msstate7]

It won't happen, but only a fool would want Lebby over Mullen

[parabrave]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

Hell just bring him back to Coach KT if he is supposed to be the next DAK. Cause right now i don't have much faith in Leb to develop any QB, Lineman or Receiver.

[Tater]

Hell just bring him back to Coach KT if he is supposed to be the next DAK. Cause right now i don't have much faith in Leb to develop any QB, Lineman or Receiver.

I don't have faith in him to develop anything but another chin

[msstate7]

I don't have faith in him to develop anything but another chin
Haha

[Tater]

Haha

I'm glad I got you to laugh tonight. I put in effort to stop your bad night. Unlike our coach's wife's dad when he heard about what his players were doing.

[Todd4State]

Dan will try to leave again like he is already doing at UNLV and that's only after half a season. No thank you.

[msstate7]

Dan will try to leave again like he is already doing at UNLV and that's only after half a season. No thank you.

Having a coach that someone might want sounds amazing

[Todd4State]

Having a coach that someone might want sounds amazing

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

[msstate7]

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

Even a Mullen hater of your level has to admit, we were in much better shape with him than without

[Todd4State]

Even a Mullen hater of your level has to admit, we were in much better shape with him than without

Are we? He peaked with us so we weren't really going anywhere. Bringing him back wouldn't move the program forward which is what we need. We've won with other coaches like Jackie and Leach so it's not like he is the only one who can win here. He had more 6-6 seasons than 2014's and a lot of our fans forget that. And that was with easier schedules than we have now.

[basedog]

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

Exactly

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Was Dan much better than we've had since he left? Mostly yes, but Leach posted basically the same record.

Would hiring Dan allow us to reset back to 10 years go? HELL NO! The game is different now. His offense is stale, his one big advantage vs other coaches (the ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough) is invalidated now that those same players will leave for NIL.

College football is about (in order):

1) NIL, which will be the same for Dan as it is for Lebby

2) Roster construction. Dan was never good at it, often signing very few players at a given position in a class. With the Portal resulting in far faster roster turnover, Dan would be even worse now. By contrast, Lebby did a great job this offseason with the Portal. Lets be brutally honest about the teams Dan built: Would Dak have stated in 2014 if LSU offered $2M in NIL? Would Montez Sweat have stated for his Sr year after leading the SEC in sacks, or would he have left for hundreds of thousands more NIL and a chance to win a natty? Dan won with developing players into stars, but today that doesn't work because they'll leave immediately.

3) scheme, which Lebby beats Dan in. Look at how many open receivers we had last night for example, or how mediocre Dan's offenses at UF were. So many here are obsessed with running every play because they care more about feeling "more physical" than they actually scoring, but good offenses scheme receivers open in a way Dan never could.

4) actual coaching. Lebby lost us the game last night due to this, nobody will deny it. But Dan also choked every big game he had so he's not the answer if we fire Lebby for this reason.

Overall, you Dan lovers are caught up in nostalgia and the safety of consistent 7-5 seasons. That looks great when you're current reality is no SEC wins, but it isn't what we should aspire to have.

[msstate7]

Was Dan much better than we've had since he left? Mostly yes, but Leach posted basically the same record.

Would hiring Dan allow us to reset back to 10 years go? HELL NO! The game is different now. His offense is stale, his one big advantage vs other coaches (the ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough) is invalidated now that those same players will leave for NIL.

College football is about (in order):

1) NIL, which will be the same for Dan as it is for Lebby

2) Roster construction. Dan was never good at it, often signing very few players at a given position in a class. With the Portal resulting in far faster roster turnover, Dan would be even worse now. By contrast, Lebby did a great job this offseason with the Portal. Lets be brutally honest about the teams Dan built: Would Dak have stated in 2014 if LSU offered $2M in NIL? Would Montez Sweat have stated for his Sr year after leading the SEC in sacks, or would he have left for hundreds of thousands more NIL and a chance to win a natty? Dan won with developing players into stars, but today that doesn't work because they'll leave immediately.

3) scheme, which Lebby beats Dan in. Look at how many open receivers we had last night for example, or how mediocre Dan's offenses at UF were. So many here are obsessed with running every play because they care more about feeling "more physical" than they actually scoring, but good offenses scheme receivers open in a way Dan never could.

4) actual coaching. Lebby lost us the game last night due to this, nobody will deny it. But Dan also choked every big game he had so he's not the answer if we fire Lebby for this reason.

Overall, you Dan lovers are caught up in nostalgia and the safety of consistent 7-5 seasons. That looks great when your current reality is no SEC wins, but it isn't what we should aspire to have.

Wake me up when Lebby wins a sec game. Dan was 33-39 in sec play here. In order for Lebby to get to that winning % (.458), he'd have to win 11 sec games by the end of next season. BTW, Dan has never gone winless in conference in his 3 stops.

[Turfdawg67]

For a little nostalgia, click on page 1748 in this forum. It’s right after a shitty AU team beat us by 24 pts. Go look at how many ppl wanted Dan gone. Dan was quoted “Well, we won the 2nd half.”

[CaptainObvious]

Are we? He peaked with us so we weren't really going anywhere. Bringing him back wouldn't move the program forward which is what we need. We've won with other coaches like Jackie and Leach so it's not like he is the only one who can win here. He had more 6-6 seasons than 2014's and a lot of our fans forget that. And that was with easier schedules than we have now.

Oh My! We can only dream of 6-6 seasons now! Give me 6-6, 7-5, and occasional 8-4 seasons and I?ll be ecstatic!

[cheewgumm]

Mullen was great at evaluating talent.

People in this hoard say Mullen would be bad during NIL era.

I see it the opposite. I think he?d be great. He?d have to look at transfer portal guys and find ones who can be good. He seems great at that to me.

[Coursesuper]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

Hey yall look, I can do this too! I want to win the mega millions! Add this to the long list of shit that is never going to happen.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh My! We can only dream of 6-6 seasons now! Give me 6-6, 7-5, and occasional 8-4 seasons and I?ll be ecstatic!

Respectfully, no you won't. You'd be happy for 3 season then the 4th season you'd go "is that this coaches ceiling?" then year 5 half the board would want the guy fired so we could "take the next step"

[ScooterDog]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

[msstate7]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

Perhaps, but when your ex is a solid 7, and your current wife is a 3, you have to consider it haha

[TrapGame]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

The ex-wife that kept texting other dudes but kept telling you she loved you, they're just friends and she would never leave you.

[EdwardDrayton]

The ex-wife that kept texting other dudes but kept telling you she loved you, they're just friends and she would never leave you.

LOL! Well played Trap!!!

[Bothrops]

Remember, Mullen left here because he thought he was too big for us. Did you hear him ya..yaaa, you know...you know...you know..yah when he arrived at Florida? No you didn't. He trained for the Boston Marathon on our campus as our HC. You think he would have tried that at Florida? I think he's a good coach but he'd have to be desperate to come back here because he knows it would be a lot harder to win now.

[basedog]

Remember, Mullen left here because he thought he was too big for us. Did you hear him ya..yaaa, you know...you know...you know..yah when he arrived at Florida? No you didn't. He trained for the Boston Marathon on our campus as our HC. You think he would have tried that at Florida? I think he's a good coach but he'd have to be desperate to come back here because he knows it would be a lot harder to win now.

It's not even close for him coming back, that ship sailed a long time ago. I was a fan of DM, it didn't bother me as much as many for him trying to get another job because we were winning. Seems strange he hasn't gotten another top HC job, I don't think he has ever been nor will be a top candidate for some reason. I think he rubs folks the wrong way.

[I seen it dawg]

Tater seems to be a good one

[ScooterDog]

To Trap and state 7, I forgot to thank you guys for your comments yesterday. They really made me laugh, and I needed that.