I want Dan back

[Tater]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

[msstate7]

It won't happen, but only a fool would want Lebby over Mullen

[parabrave]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

Hell just bring him back to Coach KT if he is supposed to be the next DAK. Cause right now i don't have much faith in Leb to develop any QB, Lineman or Receiver.

[Tater]

Hell just bring him back to Coach KT if he is supposed to be the next DAK. Cause right now i don't have much faith in Leb to develop any QB, Lineman or Receiver.

I don't have faith in him to develop anything but another chin

[msstate7]

I don't have faith in him to develop anything but another chin
Haha

[Tater]

Haha

I'm glad I got you to laugh tonight. I put in effort to stop your bad night. Unlike our coach's wife's dad when he heard about what his players were doing.

[Todd4State]

Dan will try to leave again like he is already doing at UNLV and that's only after half a season. No thank you.

[msstate7]

Dan will try to leave again like he is already doing at UNLV and that's only after half a season. No thank you.

Having a coach that someone might want sounds amazing

[Todd4State]

Having a coach that someone might want sounds amazing

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

[msstate7]

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

Even a Mullen hater of your level has to admit, we were in much better shape with him than without

[Todd4State]

Even a Mullen hater of your level has to admit, we were in much better shape with him than without

Are we? He peaked with us so we weren't really going anywhere. Bringing him back wouldn't move the program forward which is what we need. We've won with other coaches like Jackie and Leach so it's not like he is the only one who can win here. He had more 6-6 seasons than 2014's and a lot of our fans forget that. And that was with easier schedules than we have now.

[basedog]

Well the thing is Dan wants them. They don't want Dan. That's why it took him seven years to leave MSU and why he is at UNLV now.

Exactly

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Was Dan much better than we've had since he left? Mostly yes, but Leach posted basically the same record.

Would hiring Dan allow us to reset back to 10 years go? HELL NO! The game is different now. His offense is stale, his one big advantage vs other coaches (the ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough) is invalidated now that those same players will leave for NIL.

College football is about (in order):

1) NIL, which will be the same for Dan as it is for Lebby

2) Roster construction. Dan was never good at it, often signing very few players at a given position in a class. With the Portal resulting in far faster roster turnover, Dan would be even worse now. By contrast, Lebby did a great job this offseason with the Portal. Lets be brutally honest about the teams Dan built: Would Dak have stated in 2014 if LSU offered $2M in NIL? Would Montez Sweat have stated for his Sr year after leading the SEC in sacks, or would he have left for hundreds of thousands more NIL and a chance to win a natty? Dan won with developing players into stars, but today that doesn't work because they'll leave immediately.

3) scheme, which Lebby beats Dan in. Look at how many open receivers we had last night for example, or how mediocre Dan's offenses at UF were. So many here are obsessed with running every play because they care more about feeling "more physical" than they actually scoring, but good offenses scheme receivers open in a way Dan never could.

4) actual coaching. Lebby lost us the game last night due to this, nobody will deny it. But Dan also choked every big game he had so he's not the answer if we fire Lebby for this reason.

Overall, you Dan lovers are caught up in nostalgia and the safety of consistent 7-5 seasons. That looks great when you're current reality is no SEC wins, but it isn't what we should aspire to have.

[msstate7]

Was Dan much better than we've had since he left? Mostly yes, but Leach posted basically the same record.

Would hiring Dan allow us to reset back to 10 years go? HELL NO! The game is different now. His offense is stale, his one big advantage vs other coaches (the ability to find and develop diamonds in the rough) is invalidated now that those same players will leave for NIL.

College football is about (in order):

1) NIL, which will be the same for Dan as it is for Lebby

2) Roster construction. Dan was never good at it, often signing very few players at a given position in a class. With the Portal resulting in far faster roster turnover, Dan would be even worse now. By contrast, Lebby did a great job this offseason with the Portal. Lets be brutally honest about the teams Dan built: Would Dak have stated in 2014 if LSU offered $2M in NIL? Would Montez Sweat have stated for his Sr year after leading the SEC in sacks, or would he have left for hundreds of thousands more NIL and a chance to win a natty? Dan won with developing players into stars, but today that doesn't work because they'll leave immediately.

3) scheme, which Lebby beats Dan in. Look at how many open receivers we had last night for example, or how mediocre Dan's offenses at UF were. So many here are obsessed with running every play because they care more about feeling "more physical" than they actually scoring, but good offenses scheme receivers open in a way Dan never could.

4) actual coaching. Lebby lost us the game last night due to this, nobody will deny it. But Dan also choked every big game he had so he's not the answer if we fire Lebby for this reason.

Overall, you Dan lovers are caught up in nostalgia and the safety of consistent 7-5 seasons. That looks great when your current reality is no SEC wins, but it isn't what we should aspire to have.

Wake me up when Lebby wins a sec game. Dan was 33-39 in sec play here. In order for Lebby to get to that winning % (.458), he'd have to win 11 sec games by the end of next season. BTW, Dan has never gone winless in conference in his 3 stops.

[Turfdawg67]

For a little nostalgia, click on page 1748 in this forum. It’s right after a shitty AU team beat us by 24 pts. Go look at how many ppl wanted Dan gone. Dan was quoted “Well, we won the 2nd half.”

[CaptainObvious]

Are we? He peaked with us so we weren't really going anywhere. Bringing him back wouldn't move the program forward which is what we need. We've won with other coaches like Jackie and Leach so it's not like he is the only one who can win here. He had more 6-6 seasons than 2014's and a lot of our fans forget that. And that was with easier schedules than we have now.

Oh My! We can only dream of 6-6 seasons now! Give me 6-6, 7-5, and occasional 8-4 seasons and I?ll be ecstatic!

[cheewgumm]

Mullen was great at evaluating talent.

People in this hoard say Mullen would be bad during NIL era.

I see it the opposite. I think he?d be great. He?d have to look at transfer portal guys and find ones who can be good. He seems great at that to me.

[Coursesuper]

Megan was only ever mad at us not having a Target. Art Briles' daughter hates that fans express anger at horrendously bad coaching decisions.

Though Dan's knock is he has the same number of wins against Bama as Lebby does against the SEC.

Hey yall look, I can do this too! I want to win the mega millions! Add this to the long list of shit that is never going to happen.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh My! We can only dream of 6-6 seasons now! Give me 6-6, 7-5, and occasional 8-4 seasons and I?ll be ecstatic!

Respectfully, no you won't. You'd be happy for 3 season then the 4th season you'd go "is that this coaches ceiling?" then year 5 half the board would want the guy fired so we could "take the next step"

[ScooterDog]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

[msstate7]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

Perhaps, but when your ex is a solid 7, and your current wife is a 3, you have to consider it haha

[TrapGame]

Wanting Dan back is like wanting to re-marry your x-wife. No thanks.

The ex-wife that kept texting other dudes but kept telling you she loved you, they're just friends and she would never leave you.

[EdwardDrayton]

The ex-wife that kept texting other dudes but kept telling you she loved you, they're just friends and she would never leave you.

LOL! Well played Trap!!!

[Bothrops]

Remember, Mullen left here because he thought he was too big for us. Did you hear him ya..yaaa, you know...you know...you know..yah when he arrived at Florida? No you didn't. He trained for the Boston Marathon on our campus as our HC. You think he would have tried that at Florida? I think he's a good coach but he'd have to be desperate to come back here because he knows it would be a lot harder to win now.

[basedog]

Remember, Mullen left here because he thought he was too big for us. Did you hear him ya..yaaa, you know...you know...you know..yah when he arrived at Florida? No you didn't. He trained for the Boston Marathon on our campus as our HC. You think he would have tried that at Florida? I think he's a good coach but he'd have to be desperate to come back here because he knows it would be a lot harder to win now.

It's not even close for him coming back, that ship sailed a long time ago. I was a fan of DM, it didn't bother me as much as many for him trying to get another job because we were winning. Seems strange he hasn't gotten another top HC job, I don't think he has ever been nor will be a top candidate for some reason. I think he rubs folks the wrong way.

[I seen it dawg]

Tater seems to be a good one

[ScooterDog]

To Trap and state 7, I forgot to thank you guys for your comments yesterday. They really made me laugh, and I needed that.

[Political Hack]

Lebby took over a massive chit-show. And we're now competitive and a play away from winning big games. By the end of the season, I may feel differently. But, it would be an absolute disaster of a decision to part ways with him before this season is over.

Mullen wore his welcome out in Starkville. He had everything handed to him and spit on it to leave for greener pastures. Great decision... His arrogance won't work here anymore.

[msstate7]

Mullen wore his welcome out in Starkville. He had everything handed to him and spit on it to leave for greener pastures. Great decision... His arrogance won't work here anymore.

Mullen is an ungrateful shit for all we did for him. Woulda been nice had he done something in return, right?

[Tater]

Time stamps are important here. I posted this from Gainesville too so 1 am sat night as I was leaving bars.

Let he who has not wished for an ex in that situation amongst us cast the first stone at me.

[DownwardDawg]

Tater seems to be a good one

Give it time........

[Turfdawg67]

Time stamps are important here. I posted this from Gainesville too so 1 am sat night as I was leaving bars.

Let he who has not wished for an ex in that situation amongst us cast the first stone at me.

Lol... we all have been there!


Give it time........

BS... you just don't like that his politics. I'm middle of the road and I personally like his perspectives, as I do yours... sometimes. Lol

[TrapGame]

Time stamps are important here. I posted this from Gainesville too so 1 am sat night as I was leaving bars.

Let he who has not wished for an ex in that situation amongst us cast the first stone at me.

You gotta ways to go to catch up to 7's absolute meltdown drunk posting on Bourbon Street during one of JoMo's cluster**** losses.

That was hilarious.

[msstate7]

You gotta ways to go to catch up to 7's absolute meltdown drunk posting on Bourbon Street during one of JoMo's cluster**** losses.

That was hilarious.

It was Memphis. lol

[TrapGame]

It was Memphis. lol

Beale Street.

LOL! I remember now.

[DownwardDawg]

You gotta ways to go to catch up to 7's absolute meltdown drunk posting on Bourbon Street during one of JoMo's cluster**** losses.

That was hilarious.

It was beautiful.

[archdog]

You guys are insane. If Shapen drops two passes 4 yards shorter while staring down a guy in his face, we win that by 12 pts and everyone is like Lebby is a genius. Not to mention the other one in the corner of the endzone.

He stands by his call. If Shapen delivered a ball to 2 different wide open receivers on that last play, we put 7 on the board with 20 seconds left.

I like that he stands by it, even if it was a shit call to ever let that ball get into the air once in FG range.

Shapen had a damn good day other than overthrowing 3 wide ass open TDs.
Lebby also said that KT has the green light to throw it. KT is making the call to run.

Everyone needs to calm down. We beat TX this weekend. Book it.

[parabrave]

You guys are insane. If Shapen drops two passes 4 yards shorter while staring down a guy in his face, we win that by 12 pts and everyone is like Lebby is a genius. Not to mention the other one in the corner of the endzone.

He stands by his call. If Shapen delivered a ball to 2 different wide open receivers on that last play, we put 7 on the board with 20 seconds left.

I like that he stands by it, even if it was a shit call to ever let that ball get into the air once in FG range.

Shapen had a damn good day other than overthrowing 3 wide ass open TDs.
Lebby also said that KT has the green light to throw it. KT is making the call to run.

Everyone needs to calm down. We beat TX this weekend. Book it.

Don't forget the Tenn Game/ Not going to blame him on the fumble but the pick six was all on him.

[Tater]

Lol... we all have been there!



BS... you just don't like that his politics. I'm middle of the road and I personally like his perspectives, as I do yours... sometimes. Lol

I think he's one that got into a month long timeout along with me and a couple others so he's naturally gonna be a little saltier than most. Oh well.

It'd be real miserable to talk sports with anyone if I let their opinions on politics shape my opinion of their sports knowledge. But for some people that's all that matters these days. That's why I deleted most social medias that can have any algorithm to radicalize us. Elitedawgs and sports forum boards don't have those unnatural promotion of radical topics.

[Todd4State]

Lebby took over a massive chit-show. And we're now competitive and a play away from winning big games. By the end of the season, I may feel differently. But, it would be an absolute disaster of a decision to part ways with him before this season is over.

Mullen wore his welcome out in Starkville. He had everything handed to him and spit on it to leave for greener pastures. Great decision... His arrogance won't work here anymore.

I kind of doubt he would come back if we begged him anyway. If he did come back he would be looking for another job by midseason like he has done at UNLV.

[DownwardDawg]

I kind of doubt he would come back if we begged him anyway. If he did come back he would be looking for another job by midseason like he has done at UNLV.

Glad it's not an option.

[basedog]

I kind of doubt he would come back if we begged him anyway. If he did come back he would be looking for another job by midseason like he has done at UNLV.

DM doesn't seem to be in great command. He may be a fall-back guy to someone.

[msstate7]

Glad it's not an option.

Mullen has been gone 7 seasons. Let's take a look at 7 years before him and 7 years after him....

7 before...
27-57 (.321), 11-45 (.196)

Mullen...
69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)

7 after (not complete)...
44-47 (.484), 19-40 (.322)

[BrunswickDawg]

Mullen has been gone 7 seasons. Let's take a look at 7 years before him and 7 years after him....

7 before...
27-57 (.321), 11-45 (.196)

Mullen...
69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)

7 after (not complete)...
44-47 (.484), 19-40 (.322)

Based on https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi-state/

Seven years prior to Dan: average SOS 37.6
Nine years of Dan: average SOS 36.7
7 1/2 years post Dan: average SOS 19.87 with 4 Top 25 teams left on this year's schedule.

[msstate7]

Based on https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi-state/

Seven years prior to Dan: average SOS 37.6
Nine years of Dan: average SOS 36.7
7 1/2 years post Dan: average SOS 19.87 with 4 Top 25 teams left on this year's schedule.

Thanks for pointing out he's been gone 8 years. Had to hold the phone, so couldn't count those fingers.

[msstate7]

Based on https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/mississippi-state/

Seven years prior to Dan: average SOS 37.6
Nine years of Dan: average SOS 36.7
7 1/2 years post Dan: average SOS 19.87 with 4 Top 25 teams left on this year's schedule.

FPI avg ranking from 05-08: 76th
09-17: 31st
18-25: 49th

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/group/8

[msstate7]

I don't think we should call Mullen. I don't think Mullen would come if we called. I totally reject the idea that we're somehow better off without him though. Mullen was great for us, and we were great for Mullen. That marriage is over now, but I won't bash the guy bc almost all of my fondest football moments happened in his tenure. I get called out for being the weird ex that hangs on, but that's really not the case... I'm the guy that can actually throw my hurt feelings out the window and appreciate our time together.

[Todd4State]

I don't think we should call Mullen. I don't think Mullen would come if we called. I totally reject the idea that we're somehow better off without him though. Mullen was great for us, and we were great for Mullen. That marriage is over now, but I won't bash the guy bc almost all of my fondest football moments happened in his tenure. I get called out for being the weird ex that hangs on, but that's really not the case... I'm the guy that can actually throw my hurt feelings out the window and appreciate our time together.

It's time to move on. Just like it was time to move on from Ron Polk in 1991, 1997, and 2008.

The question isn't whether he was successful or not here. And that's not the issue. The issue would be (I say would be because I don't think he's coming back) whether bringing him back would be good for MSU. I don't see any way it would be beneficial to us. Sure, he might have a good season or two. But he's just going to try to move on again and he has flaws that we simply do not need right now. We don't need to tread water and then start over again right now. We need to move the program forward with Lebby. I think there is going to be a ton of upheaval in the SEC in the offseason and if we can remain stable, we can be very good.

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk or Augie Garrido in 1991?

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk II or Paul Manieri in 2001?

[basedog]

It's time to move on. Just like it was time to move on from Ron Polk in 1991, 1997, and 2008.

The question isn't whether he was successful or not here. And that's not the issue. The issue would be (I say would be because I don't think he's coming back) whether bringing him back would be good for MSU. I don't see any way it would be beneficial to us. Sure, he might have a good season or two. But he's just going to try to move on again and he has flaws that we simply do not need right now. We don't need to tread water and then start over again right now. We need to move the program forward with Lebby. I think there is going to be a ton of upheaval in the SEC in the offseason and if we can remain stable, we can be very good.

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk or Augie Garrido in 1991?

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk II or Paul Manieri in 2001?

Good points and I agree.

[Todd4State]

Mullen has been gone 7 seasons. Let's take a look at 7 years before him and 7 years after him....

7 before...
27-57 (.321), 11-45 (.196)

Mullen...
69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)

7 after (not complete)...
44-47 (.484), 19-40 (.322)

Top 25 wins in 9 years of Mullen- 7

Top 25 wins in 3 years of Leach- 7

Determined by whether a team was ranked when we played them or not. And 3 of Dan's came in a row in 2014.

[DownwardDawg]

Mullen has been gone 7 seasons. Let's take a look at 7 years before him and 7 years after him....

7 before...
27-57 (.321), 11-45 (.196)

Mullen...
69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)

7 after (not complete)...
44-47 (.484), 19-40 (.322)

Come on 7!!!! I smiled after I posted that because I knew you would do this!!!!
I'm with you Dan. Him and JWS are my all time favorites. But that ship has sailed.
He hit his ceiling here and he would be shopping day 1. We can't have that right now. We need stability.

[msstate7]

Come on 7!!!! I smiled after I posted that because I knew you would do this!!!!
I'm with you Dan. Him and JWS are my all time favorites. But that ship has sailed.
He hit his ceiling here and he would be shopping day 1. We can't have that right now. We need stability.

Catnip for me

[DownwardDawg]

Catnip for me

It really is.

Those were great times. Sigh.......

[BrunswickDawg]

FPI avg ranking from 05-08: 76th
09-17: 31st
18-25: 49th

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/group/8

Ah, the formula so secret Colonel Sanders has it locked up with his Original Recipe. And
"FPI data from seasons prior to 2019 may not be complete."

[BrunswickDawg]

It's time to move on. Just like it was time to move on from Ron Polk in 1991, 1997, and 2008.

The question isn't whether he was successful or not here. And that's not the issue. The issue would be (I say would be because I don't think he's coming back) whether bringing him back would be good for MSU. I don't see any way it would be beneficial to us. Sure, he might have a good season or two. But he's just going to try to move on again and he has flaws that we simply do not need right now. We don't need to tread water and then start over again right now. We need to move the program forward with Lebby. I think there is going to be a ton of upheaval in the SEC in the offseason and if we can remain stable, we can be very good.

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk or Augie Garrido in 1991?

Would MSU baseball have been better off with Polk II or Paul Manieri in 2001?


This all day long. For some reason we cling to past success as an institution like it's our only road to future success. And it has been our undoing too many times.

[1eyedog]

JMHO.....Re hiring DM would be the second most mentally questionable move ever made besides going months without hiring an AD and pronouncing the town Stark VILLE............it would be ATROCIOUS and would affirm every bad joke and backward sterotype about the DOGS.....btw....excellent post Todd 4 State.....

[msstate7]

Ah, the formula so secret Colonel Sanders has it locked up with his Original Recipe. And
"FPI data from seasons prior to 2019 may not be complete."

So, are you of the opinion that we were better before and after Mullen? What exactly is your position?

[BrunswickDawg]

So, are you of the opinion that we were better before and after Mullen? What exactly is your position?

Dan Mullen worked for the time that he was here. He's arguably our best ever. But, I'm not sure that success would have continued at the level he/we were accustomed to as the schedule has been consistently more challenging with the added P5 game and tougher SEC. He made a lot of hay against 4 cupcakes, and some terrible Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss teams.

[Todd4State]

So, are you of the opinion that we were better before and after Mullen? What exactly is your position?

My personal opinion is we were even better under Jackie from 1996-2000. And if you want to make it even more apples to apples- 1991-2000. We had wins over every SEC team in the league except for Georgia who only played twice during that time frame, won the SEC West, beat the teams that eventually won the SEC East or West multiple times: 1992 Florida, 1996 Alabama, 1997 Auburn, 2000 Florida and Auburn not to mention a lot of other memorable wins like 1991 Texas, 1994 Tennessee, Arkansas 1998, and the 1999 Egg Bowl among others.

The only seasons really comparable to that era that Dan had were 2010 and 2014 while Jackie had 1991, 1994, 1998, and 1999 that really stood out to me in that era.

[msstate7]

Dan Mullen worked for the time that he was here. He's arguably our best ever. But, I'm not sure that success would have continued at the level he/we were accustomed to as the schedule has been consistently more challenging with the added P5 game and tougher SEC. He made a lot of hay against 4 cupcakes, and some terrible Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss teams.

We are the cupcake now

[msstate7]

My personal opinion is we were even better under Jackie from 1996-2000. And if you want to make it even more apples to apples- 1991-2000. We had wins over every SEC team in the league except for Georgia who only played twice during that time frame, won the SEC West, beat the teams that eventually won the SEC East or West multiple times: 1992 Florida, 1996 Alabama, 1997 Auburn, 2000 Florida and Auburn not to mention a lot of other memorable wins like 1991 Texas, 1994 Tennessee, Arkansas 1998, and the 1999 Egg Bowl among others.

The only seasons really comparable to that era that Dan had were 2010 and 2014 while Jackie had 1991, 1994, 1998, and 1999 that really stood out to me in that era.

Hey Jackie was great until the end. I don't bash our good coaches to build up our current ones. Jackie and Mullen are the bar

[Bothrops]

I don't see Dan returning to Starkville.