This post is extremely out of character for me, but here it is....

[CadaverDawg]

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

[Coursesuper]

Here Here.

[msstate7]

If we fire Lebby, we might go 2 years without winning an sec game... like Lebby

[DownwardDawg]

Our program needs stability. I just hope Lebby figures it out.

[Quaoarsking]

I agree that we shouldn't fire Lebby ... today. If he can get us to 6-6, then I'm fine with bringing him back for 2026, even though I do still see some red flags. If we finish 5-7, that's a really tough call. If we finish 4-8, then it's a very easy call to fire. "Stability" isn't a thing anymore. Nobody has stability. Every team flips their roster every offseason.

The ball is in his court. He needs to show us that there's reason for us to believe he can win something here.

[msstate7]

Our program needs stability. I just hope Lebby figures it out.

Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

[CadaverDawg]

Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

[msstate7]

But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

Lebby just lost a game to a coach that will be unemployed tomorrow. He completely pissed the win away

[Coach34]

Lebby just lost a game to a coach that will be unemployed tomorrow. He completely pissed the win away

Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

[msstate7]

Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

What sec coach has lost to Lebby?

[Coach34]

Right, if we fired Lebby, we might go winless in the sec like Lebby has done and will do again this season

which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

[HoopsDawg]

Saban lost to Croom

Shit happens moron

Has he always been this retarded?

[Dawgology]

But this year's winless looks much different than last years so far. And we have several games left.

I know that stills sounds bad...but it's true. We are close. Either way, I don't think firing him makes any sense this year. You don't get in a coach hiring battle with all the blue bloods. You try to take advantage of all of their turnover by having stability next year imo. If next year looks similar then by all means make the change...but this year is watchable competitive football....last year wasn't. If you can't see improvement you're blind. I know it doesn't make today any easier to swallow, but it doesn't make it less true.

They just implied on SEC Nation (or whatever the wrap up show is) that Lebby doesn’t know how to coach football. If you think retaining someone who gives that impression to the national media then I don’t know what to tell you. This football program has fallen…hard. But I’m not going to blame the coaches or the players. We need to look at who keeps putting them in the position to lose, though. Our football search and hiring process is ****ed. Has been since Mullen left. Need to look hard at who is pulling those purse strings and probably cut them out of the process. Otherwise, we fire Lebby and just get another one not prepared or qualified for the job.

[Coach34]

What sec coach has lost to Lebby?

We knew we werent going to win an SEC game last year before the season started. We didnt spend hardly shit on a roster as we went to rebuild.

He is now where he has a fighting chance this year. But Vegas had us at 3.5 wins. We have already exceeded expectations. I didnt think for a second we would make a bowl game

[msstate7]

which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

I'm more in favor of just saying f football and giving the money to jans. I won't say what Lebby is doing is acceptable when I didn't think arnett or Moorhead did were either. All suck, and losing close games to bad sec teams shouldn't be celebrated

[Coursesuper]

Has he always been this retarded?

Unfortunately yes.

[Dawgology]

which booster are you tight with that will fund the $15MM to fire the staff so that you will be happy? Then will he also throw in another $15MM to help hire the new staff plus will he add another $5MM to help build a roster?

None. We don’t have any that would. They would rather spend it on baseball so State will be even more irrelevant to the SEC. Most of them are dumbasses with more money than sense.

[Coach34]

I'm more in favor of just saying f football and giving the money to jans. I won't say what Lebby is doing is acceptable when I didn't think arnett or Moorhead did were either. All suck, and losing close games to bad sec teams shouldn't be celebrated

Nobody is celebrating anything (altho I'm very happy we covered and Bama ML hit) but unless you got $40MM to give to football- this is where we are now. I've been telling you guys for a couple of years now we dont have the money. Too many of you still have 2010 mindset. That's long gone. We spent alot more on this roster for this season and we are competitive. But we are still 14th-16th in the SEC in spending on the roster. This is our new normal until we get some people that get pissed off and start funding like the baseball guys did this past April

[msstate7]

Nobody is celebrating anything (altho I'm very happy we covered and Bama ML hit) but unless you got $40MM to give to football- this is where we are now. I've been telling you guys for a couple of years now we dont have the money. Too many of you still have 2010 mindset. That's long gone. We spent alot more on this roster for this season and we are competitive. But we are still 14th-16th in the SEC in spending on the roster. This is our new normal until we get some people that get pissed off and start funding like the baseball guys did this past April

You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

[Coursesuper]

None. We don’t have any that would. They would rather spend it on baseball so State will be even more irrelevant to the SEC. Most of them are dumbasses with more money than sense.

Ignorance is bliss. Baseball takes care of itself now that Lem and Cohen are gone. That is a tightly tuned organization now. With a group of people that know the game and how to run and fund the organization.

[Dawgology]

Ignorance is bliss. Baseball takes care of itself now that Lem and Cohen are gone. That is a tightly tuned organization now. With a group of people that know the game and how to run and fund the organization.

You’re proving my point. Thanks!!!

[Coach34]

You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

I'm not defending it. He could have certainly done better. But I just watched Stoops do even worse. Lebbo is going to get 3 years. He deserves 3 years. Fund the program like Vandy did theirs and we will get better results

[parabrave]

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

But C it's Lebb who keeps trotting out Shapen. He isn't a freshmen either he is supposed to be Lebs experienced boy who knows the offense. He made some really bad throws which did cost us some TDs tonight. He has no excuse,

[msstate7]

I'm not defending it. He could have certainly done better. But I just watched Stoops do even worse. Lebbo is going to get 3 years. He deserves 3 years. Fund the program like Vandy did theirs and we will get better results

In no way is what stoops did worse. Stoops didn't have the last possession and a fg doesn't guarantee a win. From the 1, you go there. Lebby had the last possession and a fg wins it.

[CadaverDawg]

Texas wasn't in position to kick a game winner against Florida. Is Lebby better than Sark?

See how silly that sounds.

We're all mad bc we lost a game we could have won...but some are failing to realize we were in position to win a SEC road game, which hasn't happened in a while. We are improving, but we aren't there yet. Today was a big miss, but once we went down two scores previous State teams would have folded. We didn't. Despite 15 straight SEC losses. Lebby hasn't lost the team and we could have won it today.

Shapen made the dumb ass play. We also had a dumb fumble in the red zone. And a missed field goal (yet you all think Ferrie didn't suddenly need extra yardage ��). Shapen missed wide open TD's to Thompson and #18. Etc.
Lebby put us in position to win. We need to get over the hurdle

[Todd4State]

The reality is it comes down to players and MSU has never ever done that. We've always tried to get an offensive guru to come in and outscheme people like Nick Saban and a bunch of 4-5 star recruits. That's only going to get us so far ever.

If we invest in better players we will win more it's that simple. And remember Coleman Hutzler couldn't get his damn guys to line up right on defense and now they are much better.

We get a better QB and offensive line and another receiver to go with Fluff and the running backs then things will be better.

[CadaverDawg]

But C it's Lebb who keeps trotting out Shapen. He isn't a freshmen either he is supposed to be Lebs experienced boy who knows the offense. He made some really bad throws which did cost us some TDs tonight. He has no excuse,

KT clearly isn't ready in his eyes. Woukd you like Lebby more if he had started Taylor and we lose by 24? What do you want him to do? It's not like we can outbid other teams for top QB's or that top QB's are dying to come here.

[Dawgology]

The reality is it comes down to players and MSU has never ever done that. We've always tried to get an offensive guru to come in and outscheme people like Nick Saban and a bunch of 4-5 star recruits. That's only going to get us so far ever.

If we invest in better players we will win more it's that simple. And remember Coleman Hutzler couldn't get his damn guys to line up right on defense and now they are much better.

We get a better QB and offensive line and another receiver to go with Fluff and the running backs then things will be better.

But we won’t. We need that money for baseball!!!!

[archdog]

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.

[msstate7]

Texas wasn't in position to kick a game winner against Florida. Is Lebby better than Sark?

See how silly that sounds.

We're all mad bc we lost a game we could have won...but some are failing to realize we were in position to win a SEC road game, which hasn't happened in a while. We are improving, but we aren't there yet. Today was a big miss, but once we went down two scores previous State teams would have folded. We didn't. Despite 15 straight SEC losses. Lebby hasn't lost the team and we could have won it today.

Shapen made the dumb ass play. We also had a dumb fumble in the red zone. And a missed field goal (yet you all think Ferrie didn't suddenly need extra yardage ��). Shapen missed wide open TD's to Thompson and #18. Etc.
Lebby put us in position to win. We need to get over the hurdle

Actually our last sec win was a road win by arnett

[msstate7]

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.

Can't critique Lebby... he almost won

[CadaverDawg]

That is all true. But you have to admit, that may have been one of the worst play calls in the all time history of MSU or college football. That was monumentally bad.

Yeah it was. But Shapen's decision was worse than the play call

[CadaverDawg]

Actually our last sec win was a road win by arnett

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby

[maroonmania]

Cadaver, I very much agree with you. We are just not in a position to make ANOTHER coaching change. We hired a coach AGAIN that has to learn how to be a head coach at a place that is not easy to win at. We are competing this year which we didn't do last year. One or two plays different and we either split or sweep the TN/FL games. We CAN beat Texas next week at home. Don't know if we will but we are certainly capable. I was absolutely pissed with the clock management at the end of today's game and the inexplicable decision by Shapen to throw the ball straight to a FL defender with no MSU receiver in the area but Lebby called some good plays and if Shapen could have been more accurate today we would have won without the last drive. At this point we just need to keep progressing and see where we are at the end of next season.

[msstate7]

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby

I want neither, but arnett has something Lebby won't have in 2 seasons - an sec win

[CadaverDawg]

Can't critique Lebby... he almost won

Who said you can't critique him? Don't be like that. It's a discussion/debate. Nobody saying you can't argue it or that we don't understand those that want him fired.

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

[Tater]

If you're on any state message board tonight arguing against anyone emotionally angry at this loss then that's on you.

I'm drunk off my ass. I know I'm saying stupid shit.

Jeff lebby was sober when he made his bad decision.

Art Briles daughter's dad was prolly sober when he made his bad decisions.

Art Briles' daughter didn't seem sober when she screamed she was putting kids upset about the loss on tik tok for being upset about how we lost. "What the **** Lebby?!!!" was pretty natural. Being angry at our fans for saying that is weird. Especially when ya husband had his tail tucked between his damn legs.

[CadaverDawg]

I want neither, but arnett has something Lebby won't have in 2 seasons - an sec win

You don't know that, yet. And what the hell does 5-7 with a SEC win get you that 4-8 without one doesn't? Shitty season is a shitty season. I need to see improvement, and that doesn't always come in the form of wins. Although it's better when it does

[Tater]

You want Arnett? I'd prefer Lebby

I want a guy who wins a ****ing sec game.

If we got the baggage that is his wife and his father in law - then where is the wins?

[msstate7]

Who said you can't critique him? Don't be like that. It's a discussion/debate. Nobody saying you can't argue it or that we don't understand those that want him fired.

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

Bob Chesney or Charles Huff

[Tater]

You don't know that, yet. And what the hell does 5-7 with a SEC win get you that 4-8 without one doesn't? Shitty season is a shitty season. I need to see improvement, and that doesn't always come in the form of wins. Although it's better when it does

I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

[Dawgology]

I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

[CadaverDawg]

Cadaver, I very much agree with you. We are just not in a position to make ANOTHER coaching change. We hired a coach AGAIN that has to learn how to be a head coach at a place that is not easy to win at. We are competing this year which we didn't do last year. One or two plays different and we either split or sweep the TN/FL games. We CAN beat Texas next week at home. Don't know if we will but we are certainly capable. I was absolutely pissed with the clock management at the end of today's game and the inexplicable decision by Shapen to throw the ball straight to a FL defender with no MSU receiver in the area but Lebby called some good plays and if Shapen could have been more accurate today we would have won without the last drive. At this point we just need to keep progressing and see where we are at the end of next season.

I agree

[CadaverDawg]

Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

[Brobi-wan]

I’m not saying I want Lebby fired, but I’m really tired of being a loser. After all the tuition I paid I could at least get 1 SEC win.

[Tater]

Yea if we fire this guy - we might have to hire a guy whose father in law fostered an environment of rape that is only trumped by the Penn State sandusky scandal, who also has not won an sec game, and who makes game management decision mistakes that a 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make.

Damn that would suck if we had to hire a guy that has that much baggage and sucks that bad at coaching.

[msstate7]

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

[Coursesuper]

I agree

Seconded.

[Tater]

Serious question. Who is a realistic hire that is a worse combo of coaching and morality? Hugh freeze is somehow a better option btw.

[CadaverDawg]

At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

[Quaoarsking]

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

[msstate7]

So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

[CadaverDawg]

Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

[msstate7]

That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

[CadaverDawg]

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

[CadaverDawg]

If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

Good question. I wasn't pleased with the pass play call. But I u destined you thinking they would be geared to stop the run. Shapen just made a bad play, and Lebby probably should have taken his chances on the long field goal. I hated the choices by both. But I understand the thought process...just didn't agree with it. That being said, if Ferrie misses it, our fans are bitching that Lebby didn't try to get him closer....so he tried to be aggressive and give us a better chance at a win, and it wasn't a good decision.

[msstate7]

Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

At worst, we can hire Charles Huff tomorrow, who has won at 2 different stops

[CadaverDawg]

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

[msstate7]

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

[CadaverDawg]

I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

[msstate7]

Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

Not yet, i agree. When OM punches their playoff ticket on our field with a 35-10 win to send Lebby to 0-16 in the sec, that's the time.

[CadaverDawg]

Not yet, i agree. When OM punches their playoff ticket on our field with a 35-10 win to send Lebby to 0-16 in the sec, that's the time.

I may be with you on that. We'll see.

Maybe when Ole Miss punches their playoff ticket our boosters will have the same reaction Ole Miss's did when we won the Natty in baseball

[EdwardDrayton]

This is not the time for a coaching evaluation and decision. There are five more games before that will take place. But at that time nothing is off the table.

[Todd4State]

Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

I think the problem with MSU's boosters is if they don't think a guy can coach they don't support the coach. And I get ROI with their money. But the answer is to try to pump money into the program and try to buy the best players we can regardless of who the coach is.

Because you are right- firing Lebby isn't the answer. But it doesn't mean he is the answer either. And even if he isn't we still need to support the program and trust Selmon to do what is right at the end of 2026 if it even comes to that.

[bulldawg28]

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[Goldendawg]

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

One probem with this list. Sitting, successful HC's at any level are ineligible for hire most times in my MSU fan life time.

[Goldendawg]

Good question. I wasn't pleased with the pass play call. But I u destined you thinking they would be geared to stop the run. Shapen just made a bad play, and Lebby probably should have taken his chances on the long field goal. I hated the choices by both. But I understand the thought process...just didn't agree with it. That being said, if Ferrie misses it, our fans are bitching that Lebby didn't try to get him closer....so he tried to be aggressive and give us a better chance at a win, and it wasn't a good decision.

If they were geared up to stop the run, why did they drop a 300 lb plus nose guard into coverage? And to add insult to injury, Shapen said post game he didn't see him. Shapen was thowing to a spot on a horrible play call.

[FoggyBottom]

how to win a close game. Not all of them but at least one of them. A junior high coach would have run the ball to the middle of the field, clocked the ball and then let the winning kick go with no time on the clock.

[CadaverDawg]

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

[Dawgface]

I?m not saying I want Lebby fired, but I?m really tired of being a loser. After all the tuition I paid I could at least get 1 SEC win.

Sit tight as it?s probably coming. Next year.

[Quaoarsking]

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

Only because we were so unimaginably godawful last year.

Compare us to 2023, or better yet, 2022. Those should be the measuring sticks for Lebby, not the 2024 season that "doesn't count" and "can't be held against him."

[CaptainObvious]

What I am reading here is the exact same thing I was reading back in 2024 when half of us wanted Lemonis fired after a second straight horrible season once he got HIS players in. Coach 34 kept saying ?he gets next year and if he fails he will be fired. So we wasted an entire year aGAIN. So heck, it worked out so well for baseball, let?s go ahead and give the 0-16 in SEC Football Coach another year, and if he screws it up aGAIN, THEN we will fire him and start over probably with a Current Special Teams Coach as our New head coach because : Po? Ol? MissippiState!!

[BankerDog]

At the end of the day, QB play has cost us from being 6-1, 2-1 in conference.

Lebby called a game yesterday that had his QB been able to make some throws would?ve been a blow out. You can?t go on road and miss two wide open TDs and miss FGs and expect to win. Lebby should have never been in position to had to have call that play at the end. This will be a spring board for Lebby. Which it goes-up to him. A&M was just better than us. Lebby is a good coach.

I do have to start questioning the QB evals because he also wanted Arnold bad and Arnold May give you a bit of a runner but he has not impressed me throwing the ball. I just have hard time believing that KT or Luke K (whom people forget is the highest rated QB recruit we have ever had) can?t make some of these throws. We are in a tough position with Luke K-play him and he shows out KT bolts. He plays and sucks, why spend the money?

And to the moron who said they?d hire Charles Huff..the same Charles Huff who lost to Leb? We have some DA fans. Remember the ones who wanted Napier, Kevin Wilson, etc? And lastly, as 34 pointed out-who will pony up for all the buyouts the last few years? We have more money than people in our own fanbase give us credit for, I know that for fact. But unlike our pals up north, our fans don?t flaunt it or care enough about our sports to go all in. We have never been all in, it?s time to be all in and stop being cheap. Get this guy some players and he will be good for us.

[BankerDog]

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

This.

Lebby had us in games last year against FL, UT, and UGA until their depth beat us. People don?t know that he had Creed practicing after he decided to sit out just to be a scout team player because we didn?t even have enough talented guys to field a scout team. That?s how bad it was.

[msstate7]

At the end of the day, QB play has cost us from being 6-1, 2-1 in conference.

Lebby called a game yesterday that had his QB been able to make some throws would?ve been a blow out. You can?t go on road and miss two wide open TDs and miss FGs and expect to win. Lebby should have never been in position to had to have call that play at the end. This will be a spring board for Lebby. Which it goes-up to him. A&M was just better than us. Lebby is a good coach.

I do have to start questioning the QB evals because he also wanted Arnold bad and Arnold May give you a bit of a runner but he has not impressed me throwing the ball. I just have hard time believing that KT or Luke K (whom people forget is the highest rated QB recruit we have ever had) can?t make some of these throws. We are in a tough position with Luke K-play him and he shows out KT bolts. He plays and sucks, why spend the money?

And to the moron who said they?d hire Charles Huff..the same Charles Huff who lost to Leb? We have some DA fans. Remember the ones who wanted Napier, Kevin Wilson, etc? And lastly, as 34 pointed out-who will pony up for all the buyouts the last few years? We have more money than people in our own fanbase give us credit for, I know that for fact. But unlike our pals up north, our fans don?t flaunt it or care enough about our sports to go all in. We have never been all in, it?s time to be all in and stop being cheap. Get this guy some players and he will be good for us.

lol, real even match there for huff. Huff is 36-22 as a HC. He won his conf last season with 10 wins. he took over a one win program last season, and they're 4-2 (2-0).

[gtowndawg]

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

[BankerDog]

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

He isn?t though?he called a game yesterday that should?ve had been a blow out had his players finished plays. Had his QB made the right read against UT in OT, he wins that game. Should be 6-1 right now, 2-1 in conference. And you all would be afraid we would lose him anyway.

[BankerDog]

lol, real even match there for huff. Huff is 36-22 as a HC. He won his conf last season with 10 wins. he took over a one win program last season, and they're 4-2 (2-0).

If he is as good of a coach as you say and Lebby is as bad of a coach as you, he should have beat him.

If I remember correctly, you said last night to funnel all the money to basketball because of Jans right? You have wanted Jans to be fired at least once a year every basketball season. Just do everyone a favor and shut up.

[msstate7]

If he is as good of a coach as you say and Lebby is as bad of a coach as you, he should have beat him.

If I remember correctly, you said last night to funnel all the money to basketball because of Jans right? You have wanted Jans to be fired at least once a year every basketball season. Just do everyone a favor and shut up.

You'll see things my way on Black Friday. 20-game sec losing streak. We're chasing history... vandy had a 33 streak

[TrapGame]

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

Come on. You don't make the jump from last year to this year being in over your head. Shapen, and to a lesser extent Ferrie, have us in this situation more than Lebby. And I'm going to say it, with Jackson Arnold we would be 6-1 right now, but he made his decision to be in Freeze's gimmick of an offense. Jackson Arnold is Blake Shapen with more speed. He fits better in Lebby's offense than Freeze's.

[DownwardDawg]

What I am reading here is the exact same thing I was reading back in 2024 when half of us wanted Lemonis fired after a second straight horrible season once he got HIS players in. Coach 34 kept saying ?he gets next year and if he fails he will be fired. So we wasted an entire year aGAIN. So heck, it worked out so well for baseball, let?s go ahead and give the 0-16 in SEC Football Coach another year, and if he screws it up aGAIN, THEN we will fire him and start over probably with a Current Special Teams Coach as our New head coach because : Po? Ol? MissippiState!!

Now wait a minute, if it works out the same way as it did in baseball, that means we'll keep him another year and suck once again, but then we'll hire Saban or maybe Kiffin away from ole Miss. I'm down!!!

[DownwardDawg]

He isn?t though?he called a game yesterday that should?ve had been a blow out had his players finished plays. Had his QB made the right read against UT in OT, he wins that game. Should be 6-1 right now, 2-1 in conference. And you all would be afraid we would lose him anyway.

Funny how that works. I'm as pissed right now as I've ever been as a State fan, but you're not wrong. Shapen makes one of those easy TD throws and it's a 10-17 point win on the road. We would all be talking about how we are 5-2 with a lot of hope left. Ole Miss is 6-1. We would be 1 game different from them after playing a much harder schedule.

[tcdog70]

It would be stupid to fire Lebby. Any idiot can see we are much improved. But Lebby does make some stupid moves. Not just kicking the FG, Five yards wasn’t going to make a difference.. Leaving Fluff in , Not at least letting KT have a chance , not just running the ball after the fake punt, to just name a few.It is clear Shapen ain’t it. Time Togo with KT. Damn today’s QBs have helmets that allow a coach to talk to them. Who scored our first TD? KT, Shapen wouldn’t have scored. FREE KAMARIO.

[OhGee]

Good post, CD. We are very close to being 6-1 and the turnaround from last year is huge.

It?s frustrating as hell. I get it. I am glad most of you don?t make AD decisions.

[DownwardDawg]

It would be stupid to fire Lebby. Any idiot can see we are much improved. But Lebby does make some stupid moves. Not just kicking the FG, Five yards wasn’t going to make a difference.. Leaving Fluff in , Not at least letting KT have a chance , not just running the ball after the fake punt, to just name a few.It is clear Shapen ain’t it. Time Togo with KT. Damn today’s QBs have helmets that allow a coach to talk to them. Who scored our first TD? KT, Shapen wouldn’t have scored. FREE KAMARIO.

I just don't think KT would ever have us in position to win that game. You pointed out he scored our first TD. How did we get down there? KT can't even recognize to hand the ball off instead of keeping it.
I have been so excited about KT, but now I'm worried he may take a lot longer to develop.

[Coach34]

What I am reading here is the exact same thing I was reading back in 2024 when half of us wanted Lemonis fired after a second straight horrible season once he got HIS players in. Coach 34 kept saying ?he gets next year and if he fails he will be fired. So we wasted an entire year aGAIN. So heck, it worked out so well for baseball, let?s go ahead and give the 0-16 in SEC Football Coach another year, and if he screws it up aGAIN, THEN we will fire him and start over probably with a Current Special Teams Coach as our New head coach because : Po? Ol? MissippiState!!

We got a huge boost in money to baseball this Spring to do the things we did. When that happens in football we will get better there also.

[Coach34]

I just don't think KT would ever have us in position to win that game. You pointed out he scored our first TD. How did we get down there? KT can't even recognize to hand the ball off instead of keeping it.
I have been so excited about KT, but now I'm worried he may take a lot longer to develop.

KT is Van Buren last year with better legs

[MBDawg601]

I think of it this way... Major corporations are not going to give someone that is leading the company years to stop making bad decisions. You get a few to learn from followed by some tough discussion and if you keep making them they replace your ass. I am not sure why some of you act like Lebby is not making millions to keep making poor decisions. That is exactly how we got here. People at the top making shit decisions on hiring, followed by shit decisions from the ones they hired.

Are we improved? Sure. Still winless in the SEC though and the perception of MSU Football has not changed. We are the worst team in the conference.

Lebby has had more than a handful of bad calls. Game altering calls. He should be held accountable.

[Coursesuper]

We got a huge boost in money to baseball this Spring to do the things we did. When that happens in football we will get better there also.

There is so much more about this than our own know. Baseball is pretty much funded by those that have been in or very close to the program for a long long time. The reason that this situation exists is due to continuity and stability in the organization for a very long time. That isn?t a perfect situation because a lot of the people that are involved again stayed away for a long time for one very good reason. They all knew that MF. They knew better than to trust him and they stayed away from him and any part of the program that he had any hand in. With all of that finally flushed out the ones that had been staying away came back asking how can they help. Now we have to try very very hard to build the same continuity with the football program and build that financial support system to keep us in the mix. Good things happen slowly, bad things happen fast. I?m very happy that our administration is in for the long game now and not making spur of the moment decisions.

[DownwardDawg]

KT is Van Buren last year with better legs

That's interesting. If he's as good as Van Buren why aren't we seeing him get opportunities with more options?

[HancockCountyDog]

Has he always been this retarded?

15 straight SEC losses affects everyone differently.

Callling for Lebbys head is silly, but I get being frustrated.

[msstate7]

15 straight SEC losses affects everyone differently.

Callling for Lebbys head is silly, but I get being frustrated.

Just so we're clear - I'm not calling for him head now. I'm of the opinion that we will go 0-8 in the sec, and when/if that happens, he has to be fired, period. Can anyone give me an example or a successful HC that has started their career winless in conference for their first 2 years? If there's an example, I might reconsider

[CadaverDawg]

Just so we're clear - I'm not calling for him head now. I'm of the opinion that we will go 0-8 in the sec, and when/if that happens, he has to be fired, period. Can anyone give me an example or a successful HC that has started their career winless in conference for their first 2 years? If there's an example, I might reconsider

So you're both guaranteeing he goes winless and saying he should be fired when he does, while also saying "I'm not calling for it NOW"....but you basically are. So just go ahead and commit that he isn't going to win another game and go all in on firing him now. Can't have it both ways

[msstate7]

So you're both guaranteeing he goes winless and saying he should be fired when he does, while also saying "I'm not calling for it NOW"....but you basically are. So just go ahead and commit that he isn't going to win another game and go all in on firing him now. Can't have it both ways

No, if he wins a game - 1 damn sec game, I'm cool with bringing him back. I want him to succeed, but if he goes 0-16, there's no redemption for that. Who is your example of a coach that went winless his first 2 seasons and had a good career. Give me any example to dream ok

[CadaverDawg]

Lebby beat a ranked opponent already this year. Has a winning record as I type this. Had a lead late on Tennessee. Had a shot at beating Florida on the road.

Stop getting hung up on "SEC record" in the toughest conference in football for a second, and realize that had anyone given you the paragraph I just typed before the season started and a 4-3 record at this point with a legit shot at beating Texas....every single one of us takes it.

Bottom line, if we simply kick the FG and win (or miss it even) we are all ecstatic about Lebby. And even after the horrible decision and loss yesterday, we will all be back on the Lebby train if he beats Texas. So don't be a prisoner of the moment and let one awful decision shape your mindset. If it becomes a pattern and he loses the team, I'm sure we will all be in unison on his firing. But we 100% aren't there yet. And I think anyone that has taken a breath from yesterday realizes that

[msstate7]

Lebby beat a ranked opponent already this year. Has a winning record as I type this. Had a lead late on Tennessee. Had a shot at beating Florida on the road.

Stop getting hung up on "SEC record" in the toughest conference in football for a second, and realize that had anyone given you the paragraph I just typed before the season started and a 4-3 record at this point with a legit shot at beating Texas....every single one of us takes it.

Bottom line, if we simply kick the FG and win (or miss it even) we are all ecstatic about Lebby. And even after the horrible decision and loss yesterday, we will all be back on the Lebby train if he beats Texas. So don't be a prisoner of the moment and let one awful decision shape your mindset. If it becomes a pattern and he loses the team, I'm sure we will all be in unison on his firing. But we 100% aren't there yet. And I think anyone that has taken a breath from yesterday realizes that

And if ASU doesn't fall asleep, he's 3-4. See how the what if game goes?

[CadaverDawg]

No, if he wins a game - 1 damn sec game, I'm cool with bringing him back. I want him to succeed, but if he goes 0-16, there's no redemption for that. Who is your example of a coach that went winless his first 2 seasons and had a good career. Give me any example to dream ok

Does the Arizona State game not count since they aren't SEC? Or are you using "SEC" to reset the goal posts? Arizona State was top 12, and just beat a Top 7....so they are better than several "SEC" teams...so I'm just curious as to the qualifier of "SEC" only

[Cowbeller]

No, if he wins a game - 1 damn sec game, I'm cool with bringing him back. I want him to succeed, but if he goes 0-16, there's no redemption for that. Who is your example of a coach that went winless his first 2 seasons and had a good career. Give me any example to dream ok

Frank Beamer worked out pretty well

[msstate7]

Does the Arizona State game not count since they aren't SEC? Or are you using "SEC" to reset the goal posts? Arizona State was top 12, and just beat a Top 7....so they are better than several "SEC" teams...so I'm just curious as to the qualifier of "SEC" only

I called us to win that game. They aren't good. Literally every sec team would beat them

[CadaverDawg]

And if ASU doesn't fall asleep, he's 3-4. See how the what if game goes?

Umm, no. It doesn't work that way. If Shapen doesn't throw a pick we may win yesterday. We actually DID beat ASU

[msstate7]

Frank Beamer worked out pretty well

Pretty good example, but he never had a winless conference season. They were pretty bad his first 2 seasons as an independent.

[CadaverDawg]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

[msstate7]

Umm, no. It doesn't work that way. If Shapen doesn't throw a pick we may win yesterday. We actually DID beat ASU

And Florida actually beat us, but that's different, i guess

[msstate7]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

You're gonna be so disappointed next week bc we won't score on them. Wait, you don't hold Lebby to a standard of winning.

[CadaverDawg]

You're gonna be so disappointed next week bc we won't score on them. Wait, you don't hold Lebby to a standard of winning.

I do. I just use my eyes too.

If you can honestly say Lebby gives you the same feeling Arnett and Moorhead gave you, I'll just accept that we clearly aren't watching the same team. And agree to disagree. But don't put words in my mouth. Debate me, but don't falsify my words. Nowhere have I said wins don't matter. But don't cherry pick. Can't say wins matter and ignore the Top 12 win he had THIS SEASON.

[msstate7]

I do. I just use my eyes too.

If you can honestly say Lebby gives you the same feeling Arnett and Moorhead gave you, I'll just accept that we clearly aren't watching the same team. And agree to disagree. But don't put words in my mouth. Debate me, but don't falsify my words. Nowhere have I said wins don't matter. But don't cherry pick. Can't say wins matter and ignore the Top 12 win he had THIS SEASON.

So we judge Lebby vs arnett and Moorhead? Why not vs Jackie, Mullen, or leach?

[CadaverDawg]

You can't expect "built" results out of a program that is "building" but isn't built yet.

[CadaverDawg]

So we judge Lebby vs arnett and Moorhead? Why not vs Jackie, Mullen, or leach?

I didn't say that either. You're trying to skew my words again. We can absolutely compare him to others...but those other guys weren't having their heads called for in their 2nd season like Moorhead and Arnett

You're already Assuming he's losing the next 5 games for Goodness sake

[msstate7]

You can't expect "built" results out of a program that is "building" but isn't built yet.


I didn't say that either. You're trying to skew my words again. We can absolutely compare him to others...but those other guys weren't having their heads called for in their 2nd season like Moorhead and Arnett

Right, bc they weren't horrible

[CadaverDawg]

If you're "not calling for his head until he goes 0-16", then why are you sitting here calling for his head before he's even 0-12? Makes no sense

[msstate7]

If you're "not calling for his head until he goes 0-16", then why are you sitting here calling for his head before he's even 0-12? Makes no sense

I have no confidence in him getting it done. I really hope he does. I like him. I like his offense. He just keeps going knuckle head stuff to lose winnable games. The best thing for this program is him figuring it out. And I don't wanna hear it's shapen's fault. OM went and found a backup qb that can run lane's offense that no one wanted. We coulda found a playable #2 too, but we didn't

[Really Clark?]

Pretty good example, but he never had a winless conference season. They were pretty bad his first 2 seasons as an independent.

The closest recently in the SEC is Clark Lea who went 0-8 (2-10), 2-6 (5-7), 0-8 (2-10) his first 3 years at Vandy. I suspect his hot seat on here after those 3 years would have been enormous.

[msstate7]

The closest recently in the SEC is Clark Lea who went 0-8 (2-10), 2-6 (5-7), 0-8 (2-10) his first 3 years at Vandy. I suspect his hot seat on here after those 3 years would have been enormous.

If we win 2 sec games to get a bowl, I would want to extend Lebby

[TrapGame]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

And why people can't see this is just infuriating.

Moorhead wasn't even having full practices. Cohen started sitting in when word got back to him. Joe would work on a few plays with the offensive starters and call it for the day. He's probably doing the same thing at Akron.

Arnett was doing the same thing. His practices were total cluster****s according some people I've talked to. And having a middle aged, bald man constantly whispering in your ear on the sideline was creepy as hell.

All Croom had to do was run a more modern offense but he refused. He'd rather lose by calling a run play than have his QB audible into a pass play that caught the opposing defense with their pants down scoring a touchdown. You run the play he called. You don't change it even though it won the game.

Lebby is none of these. Lebby is going to be a really good coach in the near future and people better hope it's here and not somewhere else.

[Really Clark?]

If we win 2 sec games to get a bowl, I would want to extend Lebby

Mack Brown went 1-10, 1-10 his first 2 years at UNC. Ended up with a pretty good career.

[msstate7]

Mack Brown went 1-10, 1-10 his first 2 years at UNC. Ended up with a pretty good career.

That's a good example. I know I asked for it, but now I'm questioning if it's even relevant since teams were built through recruiting then. Now it's just a free for all every offseason. Still though, brown is an excellent example of a guy turning it around big time. You could say he had a track record since he built up Tulane before being at UNC

[SPMT]

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

Good point.

Shapen blows and I have no qualms calling out players these days. Many make more than most adults and should perform accordingly.

[Percho]

Has he always been this retarded?

UMMMMMMM

[maroonmania]

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

He's got plenty of leg, so don't think he would have missed a 46 yarder short but he had already missed a 41 yarder earlier in the game over the top of the upright. So nothing was sure about a 46 yarder. I just wish we had run the ball to whatever hash Ferrie likes or center it up, clock the ball, and give it a try. That would have been the smart thing to do.

[CaptainObvious]

You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

I believe even Sunbelt Billy could have won that game last night. Oh yeah. He did!

[1eyedog]

All I know is the "DOGS" second year coach that inherited a minuscule talented team is two last second plays from possibly being 6-1. Throwing the ball downfield is GREAT, a couple of VERY promising running backs and most amazing to me (I'm eating crow) is a def coordinator that I really questioned the hiring of and keeping him has a DOG defense playing pretty d### well. IF....”IF" Lebby can hold the team together and possibly pull off and EB and one other win......which is possible.......I just don?t see how you can argue. For some reason.......I see alot of positives with all the negatives......I?m not always like this......GO DOGS

[justwin]

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

no one in their right mind thinks it's lebby. the problem is a "experienced" player at qb log jamming the depth chart.

[Coach34]

no one in their right mind thinks it's lebby. the problem is a "experienced" player at qb log jamming the depth chart.

But you dont play a true Freshman thats not ready because of that. You grind it out and get better in the Spring. We have no chance to beat Texas with KT. We have a chance to win Saturday with Plastic Man

[MoreCowbell]

But you dont play a true Freshman thats not ready because of that. You grind it out and get better in the Spring. We have no chance to beat Texas with KT. We have a chance to win Saturday with Plastic Man

Saw you said KT is like Van Buren last year with better legs. Do you mean physical tools wise only because that description sounds pretty damn good right now compared to Shapen. Is he just mentally behind football IQ wise?