Sunday Morning QB with SVS-Setbacks Are Inevitable in This League Edition

[StarkVegasSteve]

Week 6 With SVS

Well last night was a let down. There is no way around that. And it may be worse depending on the severity of whatever Bothwell has. I thought going into our game that 7 wins was for the taking after watching Texas. Coming out of it, I am not sure 5 is a slam dunk.

1. Last night was not solely on Shapen, but he deserves blame. There were lots of time last night that Blake had no chance to throw the ball. He was dropping and getting pressure before he could fully complete his drop. I think if we are going to continue to have OL troubles we need to abandon the RPO portion to give Shapen time. The botched RPO handoff was really bad. I think it was only 14-3 at that time so we?re still very much in the game. He has to be better. The INT is not on him. The OL has to give him time there. He had Seydou and Brennen wide open.

2. To the ones clamoring for Kamario, you?re not getting it this year. He simply isn?t ready. You could tell last night when the cadence change caused us to jump on 3rd and goal. I can promise you that if Lebby thought he was ready he would be in. Now, the what would it hurt to put him in conversation is something completely different. I wouldn?t necessarily disagree that it wouldn?t hurt to get him a series or 2, but understand what will happen when that occurs. With our OL, it will go poorly and our fans will say he?s a bust. You know how I know that? Because it has happened to every backup QB in my lifetime. They are the greatest until they play and then they suck. Let the kid develop and don?t count out Kromenhoek.

3. The game potentially changed on Booth tripping. He scores there and I think it?s a completely different ballgame. I think that would?ve taken some of the pressure of Shapen and the offense and would?ve opened up some deep shots.

4. The Bothwell injury is concerning to say the least. He has been incredible this year and we can?t afford to lose him. I have heard some stuff this morning that gives me a little hope that maybe it is just a really bad sprain. Lebby also said X-Ray in the postgame and if it was a knee they would?ve just gone straight to MRI. To the people saying that Shapen set him up to be hurt, stop watching football. Shapen threw the check down, like he is supposed to. Fluff made a guy miss and got 12 yards on the play before off the same action. He just got rolled up on the next play.

5. We have to find a way to get the WRs involved again. They were a huge part of the offense early andj and are now struggling to get catches and yards. Good to see Ayden start to get more run. I thought he was a bright spot last night.

6. The OL is shit. No way around it. Luke Work is not a tackle at this level. He is barely a guard but most definitely not a tackle.

7. The DL, and the D as a whole, played their ass off. I thought Jaray Bledsoe and Malick Sylla played really well. Sylla had a chance at a pick but reacted a tad too late. Also liked what I saw out of Jamil Burroughs and Red Hibbler

8. Our LBs were kind of a mixed bag. Jalen Smith played really well and Branden Jennings played really well. Lockhart played hard but had some stupid penalties, one in particular. Zakari and Gullete took some steps back last night. Not some of their better games.

9. I do not think our corners played particularly well. Kelley was ok in coverage, he had a pick, but he got beat deep a few times and then let Concepcion bully him to get the TD

10. Pulliam was big in the punt game to keep us in it. Avg?d 46 yards a punt. No clue why we tried to run Tyce out there for his one punt. I feel like Ethan could have pinned them inside the 10 easily.

11. The BYE comes at a good time for us. I would hate to catch Florida next week after coming off the emotional high of the Texas win. I think A&M will beat them up a good bit whereas we will be as healthy as possible going into that game.

12. If you are pissed that we have lost 2 in a row because you changed your expectations after starting 4-0 then that is on you. Our schedule was always a murderers row and 7 was always the ceiling. We just have to find a way to 6, and it is definitely out there.

Keep the fight, keep the faith. HailState

[msstate7]

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

[basedog]

I can't disagree with your post. Our defense played well and never gave up, yes it got out of hand mainly because of our offense having only two first downs in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The fumble really turned us upside down on the finally score.

I just don't think some don't understand how bad of a situation Lebby inherited, I have said this before, yes, he is still learning on the job. But we are a work in progress, I like his staff especially on defense, we just have to recruit. I think under the circumstances we did ok in the portal but we gotta get more or better next year.

I think we will win a few more games. Open dates does come at a good time to regroup for the team and fans.

[basedog]

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

I think the same way on this. Or what about the Fsu QB getting some snaps? Let me make this clear, it wouldn't make any difference in the outcome but at least give the guys some playing experience and feel for the game.

[msstate7]

I think the same way on this. Or what about the Fsu QB getting some snaps? Let me make this clear, it wouldn't make any difference in the outcome but at least give the guys some playing experience and feel for the game.

Exactly. It was obvious last night that Shapen wasn't gonna give us a chance with our oline vs them. I mean if Shapen is "the clear cut #1", then you owe it to the team to pull him out that bloodbath to protect him. I'm not saying bench Shapen, but when it ain't working, try something else for that game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we have no problem running Taylor out there inside the 5, why should we have a problem getting a few series a game in other spots. I mean the game was over last night, so that's a perfect time to let him get his feet wet. Is the reasoning this - we can trust you in the biggest spots (4th down or at the goal line), but in a blowout? Get outta here... you aren't ready for that

I think it is simply we trust him to come in and do the Tebow thing and run the ball but he is still learning how to make a read, go through his progressions, etc. And when your offensive line is getting mauled it is probably not a good time to put in a freshman and risk killing his confidence.

I am not saying we should not have given it a look, but I also know what will happen the minute he goes out there and fails, which he will. Not because he is bad, but because he is young and our OL is crap. I know the minute he throws a pick, takes a sack, or fumbles it we will have fans calling him a bust. The best football player of all time is always the Mississippi State backup QB. He is a mix of Joe Montana and Tom Brady, until he takes starter reps and then all of a sudden he is god awful and a waste of a scholarship.

[msstate7]

I think it is simply we trust him to come in and do the Tebow thing and run the ball but he is still learning how to make a read, go through his progressions, etc. And when your offensive line is getting mauled it is probably not a good time to put in a freshman and risk killing his confidence.

I am not saying we should not have given it a look, but I also know what will happen the minute he goes out there and fails, which he will. Not because he is bad, but because he is young and our OL is crap. I know the minute he throws a pick, takes a sack, or fumbles it we will have fans calling him a bust. The best football player of all time is always the Mississippi State backup QB. He is a mix of Joe Montana and Tom Brady, until he takes starter reps and then all of a sudden he is god awful and a waste of a scholarship.

This is college football. You can run a guy like Taylor out there to run the ball and have a RPO play that's either a wide open wr or a run. His running ability makes DEs think contain, not let's just go all out at Shapen who can't beat us with his legs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is college football. You can run a guy like Taylor out there to run the ball and have a RPO play that's either a wide open wr or a run. His running ability makes DEs think contain, not let's just go all out at Shapen who can't beat us with his legs.

But he has to know how to run the RPO and the coaches have to trust him to make those reads against SEC defenses. Our coaches do not at this point. Maybe they will in 2 weeks. Like I said, BYE comes at a great time for us. Gives us time to recover and reevaluate something’s.

[msugolf]

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

[DEDawg]

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

The fallacy in this argument is that the third and most likely scenario is the 5th year senior just gives you the best chance to win now. That simple.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

[Rawdawg]

Shapen or KT won’t matter until the offensive line makes massive improvements. They’re getting us killed. We can’t do wr screens because we don’t block well on the perimeter either.

[TrapGame]

Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

I don't understand why some people think Lebby is keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench out of spite or something.

If KT could run this offense the way Lebby wants it then Shapen would be in a MState Polo holding a clipboard on the sidelines every Saturday.

He ain't ready yet.

[DownwardDawg]

Or…..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp…..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

Amazing how simple the answer is.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't understand why some people think Lebby is keeping Trevor Lawrence on the bench out of spite or something.

If KT could run this offense the way Lebby wants it then Shapen would be in a MState Polo holding a clipboard on the sidelines every Saturday.

He ain't ready yet.

But he is a Mississippi kid who was highly rated that people watched dominate 3A Mississippi HS football so naturally he is the next Cam Newton. We have too many new age fans that do not remember Kevin Fant had even more hype and flamed out because he was not ready and he had a terrible O Line.

[EdwardDrayton]

If Taylor was ready, he would be on the field. Lebby is learning as a head coach but he's not blind.

[tcdog70]

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

[NCDawg]

Shapen or KT won’t matter until the offensive line makes massive improvements. They’re getting us killed. We can’t do wr screens because we don’t block well on the perimeter either.

This is correct.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

It is hard to have pocket presence when there is no pocket. Shapen is not perfect by any stretch but no QB could play with our OL. They are just terrible.

[Todd4State]

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

It's also the coach's job to put the best players on the field. Our best ever QB had to redshirt and then he was what KT is now as a RS freshman and then he took over as a RS sophomore. Because a player isn't ready as a freshman isn't an indictment on the coach's in any way shape or form.

[Todd4State]

But he is a Mississippi kid who was highly rated that people watched dominate 3A Mississippi HS football so naturally he is the next Cam Newton. We have too many new age fans that do not remember Kevin Fant had even more hype and flamed out because he was not ready and he had a terrible O Line.

I mean chunking it down the field randomly and running him every time worked against Ackerman and Ethel right? So why wouldn't that work against Tennessee?*****

[Todd4State]

It is hard to have pocket presence when there is no pocket. Shapen is not perfect by any stretch but no QB could play with our OL. They are just terrible.

Exactly. And we have fans that act like Shapen needs five seconds. No- he is getting like 2 maybe even 1 in some instances. You expect to get at least 3 from an o-line.

[Todd4State]

Damn, even if he isn’t ready, what would it hurt to give him a series. Shapen ain’t it. He has zero pocket presence. He hold the ball too long. He only hits open receivers. He really can’t run.he is short. He set Fluff up to get hurt. Why was Fluff in the game. Hell, why was Shapen in the game? By putting KT in the game our running backs Will be better. Nobody respects Shapen to run, KT can and He can throw (better than Shapen) it is stupid not to give KT a shot.

It might. Especially if we lose a game by one possession and we basically waste a possession where we go three and out running QB draw and read option where KT auto keeps it. And yeah we might get lucky and it works but odds are it won't and why even put the doubt out there? There is a reason why literally no coach does what our fans are suggesting.

Jackie used to do that with our back ups and I honestly can not remember it ever working once. Usually it killed our momentum and we went three and out and ended up with the other team scoring.

[Coach34]

Fant took an asswhoopin.

32 sacks in 2002- he only received about 26-27 of those because he got hurt
36 sacks in 2003

Worst B2B seasons in school history for sacks I believe altho Crooms 2008 with Mississippi getting 9 sacks in the Egg Bowl to take his job got that year to 37 total

[Brobi-wan]

Does Luke K just blow in practice? I?m not saying bench Blake for him, but I feel like we have hardly seen him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does Luke K just blow in practice? I?m not saying bench Blake for him, but I feel like we have hardly seen him.

Because he is the backup. We will not see him unless Blake is injured. We are not giving him unnecessary hits. Kamario is the gadget QB

[99jc]

Or?..and this is what our fan base cannot grasp?..Kamario is supremely talented but just not ready. Shapen gives you the best chance to win THIS YEAR.

I disagree how do you know Taylor isn't ready just because a stubborn coach won't play him? I will go on record as saying that Taylor is just as good or better than Shipley. I think better especially with running the ball that can't even be challenged!

[Brobi-wan]

Because he is the backup. We will not see him unless Blake is injured. We are not giving him unnecessary hits. Kamario is the gadget QB

Thanks for the insight!

[R2Dawg]

I can't disagree with your post. Our defense played well and never gave up, yes it got out of hand mainly because of our offense having only two first downs in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The fumble really turned us upside down on the finally score.

I just don't think some don't understand how bad of a situation Lebby inherited, I have said this before, yes, he is still learning on the job. But we are a work in progress, I like his staff especially on defense, we just have to recruit. I think under the circumstances we did ok in the portal but we gotta get more or better next year.

I think we will win a few more games. Open dates does come at a good time to regroup for the team and fans.

Agree. We have two 5 star QBs sitting on the bench and Shapen needed a break and TAMU needed something different to think about. We must do something in future games to throw a D off when they are teeing off on us.

[R2Dawg]

It might. Especially if we lose a game by one possession and we basically waste a possession where we go three and out running QB draw and read option where KT auto keeps it. And yeah we might get lucky and it works but odds are it won't and why even put the doubt out there? There is a reason why literally no coach does what our fans are suggesting.

Jackie used to do that with our back ups and I honestly can not remember it ever working once. Usually it killed our momentum and we went three and out and ended up with the other team scoring.

The 2nd half was nothing but 3 and outs so it couldn't hurt.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I disagree how do you know Taylor isn't ready just because a stubborn coach won't play him? I will go on record as saying that Taylor is just as good or better than Shipley. I think better especially with running the ball that can't even be challenged!

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reigns for good.

[BravesDoggy]

If you cant simplify the offense to where a high 4 star, superbly gifted qb cant be successful then thats a coaching issue. Likewise, if said qb cant pickup basic qb processes after almost a year on campus then he is not the difference maker we need going forward.

Both scenarios are not promising

The guy played at Noxubee against pee wee competition. He?s not a 4 star from IMG.

Look at what we are seeing from a 3rd year in Manning who played against fat boys in NOLA yet had been tutored all his life by peepaw and his uncles. The guy is still not ready for the SEC grind.

[Coach34]

As someone who knows some of Noxubee's playcalls in the past 10 years- they are very simplistic and what we call is alot more involved. Typical Noxubee playcall:

Orange 13
Doubles/Bob/All Green
Doubles/Bob/Green Orange
Zone Right
Zone Left

What he is running and playcalling this year is much more involved

[HoopsDawg]

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reins for good.

Very few true freshman are ready for SEC football. Lebby knows what he?s doing.

[SPMT]

We didn?t lose that game because of Shapen. Yes, he?s limited but we lost because the O line was dominated by their d line. Our d played great.

The two qb runs in second half were stupid calls. Looking back we should?ve let the backup qb and rb play last quarter or half of it at least.

[Todd4State]

As someone who knows some of Noxubee's playcalls in the past 10 years- they are very simplistic and what we call is alot more involved. Typical Noxubee playcall:

Orange 13
Doubles/Bob/All Green
Doubles/Bob/Green Orange
Zone Right
Zone Left

What he is running and playcalling this year is much more involved

All Green = All go? One of those has to be four verticals. Orange is maybe a slant?

You left off one play- KT do your thing. Whatever that may be.

[Todd4State]

You are not wrong that he is better than some random guy named Shipley. He is not better than Blake Shapen though. I know that is tough for some to comprehend but he is not. He cannot grasp the offense. He cannot make the reads fast enough. And he cannot make those RPO reads correctly. I know that this will shock people that the 3A Mississippi QB is not ready for SEC competition but he is not and he is not all that close. He is EXTREMELY athletic, which is why there is a package for him, but he is not ready for even a whole series, much less take the reigns for good.

Shipley can make better donuts than Shapen though.**

Biggest adjustment we need to make is get Albert Reese healthy.

[DownwardDawg]

Shipley can make better donuts than Shapen though.**

Biggest adjustment we need to make is get Albert Reese healthy.

Shipley's is still pretty damn good these days.

[parabrave]

Shipley's is still pretty damn good these days.

their apple fritters are the best!!

[Coach34]

All Green = All go? One of those has to be four verticals. Orange is maybe a slant?

You left off one play- KT do your thing. Whatever that may be.

Green- Go
Orange- Out

[TrapGame]

Shipley can make better donuts than Shapen though.**

Biggest adjustment we need to make is get Albert Reese healthy.

Reese out was HUGE. We probably still lose but the score is a hell of a lot closer.

[tcdog70]

I mean chunking it down the field randomly and running him every time worked against Ackerman and Ethel right? So why wouldn't that work against Tennessee?*****

Noxubee played-Starkville, Louisville, West Point--thats 3 of Mississippi's best football teams. WhenKT gets the chance to play--he will be better than Shapen.

[tcdog70]

Because he is the backup. We will not see him unless Blake is injured. We are not giving him unnecessary hits. Kamario is the gadget QB

Gadget Qb--bullshit. He can do everything Shapen can do only better. Dude sometimes you say stupid shit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Gadget Qb--bullshit. He can do everything Shapen can do only better. Dude sometimes you say stupid shit.

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

[TrapGame]

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

Preach!

The trolls are already starting rumors on sports radio that Kiffin is after KT using the same BS.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Preach!

The trolls are already starting rumors on sports radio that Kiffin is after KT using the same BS.

And look, I'm not saying he doesn't need to be more involved. Because he does. We have plays for him, but right now it seems like we're only playing him in certain situations with those plays. We need to have him in no matter the situation if we call those plays. And we need to have a pass in there for him because otherwise teams will just stack 8 in the box every time.

[TrapGame]

And look, I'm not saying he doesn't need to be more involved. Because he does. We have plays for him, but right now it seems like we're only playing him in certain situations with those plays. We need to have him in no matter the situation if we call those plays. And we need to have a pass in there for him because otherwise teams will just stack 8 in the box every time.

I'd love for him to have a series early in the Florida game. Get him used to the crowd. Give him a short pass to Evans and let Evans get some YAC. Give him a designed QB run. As long as he's getting first downs keep him in. After we get 3 or 6 or probably punt go back to Shapen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'd love for him to have a series early in the Florida game. Get him used to the crowd. Give him a short pass to Evans and let Evans get some YAC. Give him a designed QB run. As long as he's getting first downs keep him in. After we get 3 or 6 or probably punt go back to Shapen.

I wouldn't give him anything on the first 2-3 drives because usually those are scripted and we like to tempo teams when we have success with it. But I would have him something like if you have 2nd and 6 midway through the first quarter, bring him in and let him go for 2-3 plays. See what he can give you. That's exactly what Florida did with Tebow. Just looking back, they gave Tebow anywhere between 5-11 plays a game. That is kind of where we need to be with Kamario. I actually thought we should have kept him in even after we got the false start on Saturday. Have some type of quick hitter play where if your first read isn't there you take off. We still need to keep things really easy for him. You don't want him to get paralysis by analysis and be completely useless. And it's a definite possibility for a kid that is still kind of struggling with all the nuances of our system and learning where to go with the reads and understanding progressions.

[TrapGame]

I wouldn't give him anything on the first 2-3 drives because usually those are scripted and we like to tempo teams when we have success with it. But I would have him something like if you have 2nd and 6 midway through the first quarter, bring him in and let him go for 2-3 plays. See what he can give you. That's exactly what Florida did with Tebow. Just looking back, they gave Tebow anywhere between 5-11 plays a game. That is kind of where we need to be with Kamario. I actually thought we should have kept him in even after we got the false start on Saturday. Have some type of quick hitter play where if your first read isn't there you take off. We still need to keep things really easy for him. You don't want him to get paralysis by analysis and be completely useless. And it's a definite possibility for a kid that is still kind of struggling with all the nuances of our system and learning where to go with the reads and understanding progressions.

I completely agree about keeping him in after the false start. He needed that experience.

[FISHDAWG]

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

Standing applause..... but you're right svs, and the blind will never ever see this

[basedog]

I haven't seen anyone saying change QB's. Crazy for one of the other two on sideline not be prepared for a few snaps. I hope Shapen doesn't get banged up w/o the others not having any snaps or very few.

[parabrave]

I haven't seen anyone saying change QB's. Crazy for one of the other two on sideline not be prepared for a few snaps. I hope Shapen doesn't get banged up w/o the others not having any snaps or very few.

Jackie always gave the backup one series usually in the 3rd qtr.

[R2Dawg]

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

Disagree. Shapen is more experienced and we may be using KT as a gadget QB but that ain't what he is.

Lebby is too loyal to Shapen IMO. I understand why to a point but he has to put team first. When Shapen struggles like he does, a change of pace is required - whether Hawk or KT. All good coaches do it. Tyson Lee and Relf come to mind, even Russell and Dak.

[R2Dawg]

Jackie always gave the backup one series usually in the 3rd qtr.

Yep you never know when your Sleepy will go down and Greg Plump will have to play.

Mullen cost us the USA game that year not playing Fitz but a different situation.

[1eyedog]

I have no info......but it would not surprise if LK Had back channel communications......if no other reason to make the DOGS look bad by losing a potential qb and boast on social media.......he is a manipulative master......

[StarkVegasSteve]

I have no info......but it would not surprise if LK Had back channel communications......if no other reason to make the DOGS look bad by losing a potential qb and boast on social media.......he is a manipulative master......

He is having back channel communications, as are about 13 other SEC schools. Just like we are having back channel communications with players.

[Coach34]

Ya'll dont seem to understand where college football is today. There are probably 15-20 schools contacting KT on a regular basis right now. It's Free Agency 24/7/365 right now

[msstate7]

If the false start was a KT problem, how come only one player moved?

[Coach34]

If the false start was a KT problem, how come only one player moved?

because he is a mental midget and couldnt pay attention when we needed it most.

[DownwardDawg]

their apple fritters are the best!!

I absolutely love them!!!!!

[DownwardDawg]

Gadget Qb--bullshit. He can do everything Shapen can do only better. Dude sometimes you say stupid shit.

LMAO!!!!!!
One day he most likely will be better than Shapen. He is being "protected" right now.

[DownwardDawg]

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

It's impossible for some fans to understand this.
It's like playing cards with my brothers kids!!!

[DownwardDawg]

Jackie always gave the backup one series usually in the 3rd qtr.

Sherrill actually played the backup QB every 3rd possession. And sometimes it absolutely sucked. Lol
It was great experience for the backup QB though.

[tcdog70]

If he was the better QB then he'd be playing. Some of you act like Lebby is purposely sabotaging his team for a kid he has no history with. If this was Dillon Gabriel or Jackson Arnold then it might hold some merit. It doesn't. Kamario just isn't ready. I know that's tough for some of you to understand but I guess the truth is tough to comprehend when it doesn't fit the narrative that Lebby hates Kamario and is sabotaging the team to play Shapen. I mean this is the same stupid ass argument I heard 9 years ago when Mullen stuck with Fitz over Dam Williams. They called Mullen a racist, said Fitz couldn't start for anyone else, said Mullen was holding the team back because Williams was better, etc.

Kamario is a gadget QB right now. Doesn't mean he will be one next year. You know who else was a gadget QB their Freshman year? Tim Tebow. He turned out pretty good and I think it was pretty obvious then that Tebow was the far better athlete than Chris Leak. But you know who the coaches trusted to run the offense? Chris Leak. It's the same damn thing here. We have packages for Kamario, hell we saw one Saturday night but he messed up the cadence. You know why he messed it up? Because he's a Freshman in a 100K seat stadium having to make pre snap reads like never before. Kamario will be fine. He'll probably be the QB next year. But right now, Blake Shapen the best chance to win. Hell half of you were saying how poised Shapen was a month ago. Nothing changed except his O-Line got a hell of a lot worse.

justifing your stupid comments-nice try. remember not starting Dak, Fitz, Relf--when they got a chance they never looked back. Shapen ain't it. wake up.

[Todd4State]

justifing your stupid comments-nice try. remember not starting Dak, Fitz, Relf--when they got a chance they never looked back. Shapen ain't it. wake up.

All three of those QB's redshirted by the way. Kamario hasn't. If those played as true freshmen they would look like Kamario does now. Relf would have probably had fans wondering why we offered. He was vey inaccurate.

[Coach34]

All three of those QB's redshirted by the way. Kamario hasn't. If those played as true freshmen they would look like Kamario does now. Relf would have probably had fans wondering why we offered. He was vey inaccurate.

good point. Im shocked people dont realize this. Fitz- one of the best 25 SEC QB's of all-time- played like 10 plays total his first 2 years in college football

[Homedawg]

All three of those QB's redshirted by the way. Kamario hasn't. If those played as true freshmen they would look like Kamario does now. Relf would have probably had fans wondering why we offered. He was vey inaccurate.
He'll, relf had no business being on the field as a rs fr. Only reason he was is bc we had NO other choice.

[Homedawg]

good point. Im shocked people dont realize this. Fitz- one of the best 25 SEC QB's of all-time- played like 10 plays total his first 2 years in college football

Tc gonna believe what he wants to. Not sure why people think Lebby wants to lose. Maybe he's at practice or something stupid like that. Smh.

[msstate7]

All three of those QB's redshirted by the way. Kamario hasn't. If those played as true freshmen they would look like Kamario does now. Relf would have probably had fans wondering why we offered. He was vey inaccurate.

What has KT looked like?

Only throw 3 passes, but completed 2 of them...
67% comp 46 tds (15.3 per att) 1 td 0 int
305.47 passer rating

10 rushes 79 yards 7.9 per

I realize the passing was vs Alcon st, so not saying he'd do this vs sec teams. Just don't understand the "they would look like kamario does now" statement.

Kamario moved the chains vs Tenn on what should've been a loss. He hasn't looked bad at all.

[1eyedog]

good point. Im shocked people dont realize this. Fitz- one of the best 25 SEC QB's of all-time- played like 10 plays total his first 2 years in college football

Coach.....Fitz ran all over and through and passed over and under for the most dominant DOG qb performance against the Reverend’s last game at velvet ditch that was my last live college game. It was a thing of beauty.....and I will always be thankful for his effort. I also think it is a travesty that Spears wasn’t banned for “ankle forearming” fitz and then the backup the next year....

[StarkVegasSteve]

All three of those QB's redshirted by the way. Kamario hasn't. If those played as true freshmen they would look like Kamario does now. Relf would have probably had fans wondering why we offered. He was vey inaccurate.

Relf had people saying that in Year 2. Lest we forget one of the great Jack Cristil quotes from the 08 Egg Bowl, "Chris Relf can throw it long. He cannot throw it accurately but he can throw it long."

[StarkVegasSteve]

Coach.....Fitz ran all over and through and passed over and under for the most dominant DOG qb performance against the Reverend’s last game at velvet ditch that was my last live college game. It was a thing of beauty.....and I will always be thankful for his effort. I also think it is a travesty that Spears wasn’t banned for “ankle forearming” fitz and then the backup the next year....

That was also Year 3 for Nick. People forget that Nick was RS in 14 and then didn't play in 15 except for mop up duty and the Troy game where Dak had food poisoning.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Coach.....Fitz ran all over and through and passed over and under for the most dominant DOG qb performance against the Reverend?s last game at velvet ditch that was my last live college game. It was a thing of beauty.....and I will always be thankful for his effort. I also think it is a travesty that Spears wasn?t banned for ?ankle forearming? fitz and then the backup the next year....

That was a hell of a performance though. So fun being in Oxford that day because I fully expected we were going to get beat by 40

[Pancho]

55 - 20

[R2Dawg]

That was a hell of a performance though. So fun being in Oxford that day because I fully expected we were going to get beat by 40

Maybe most dominant individual and team performance in egg bowl all time. Fitz just ripped a hole in rebs that day. I would have put 11 men on the line and made him throw it to a wide open WR by half. Hard to comprehend how much Fitz destroyed them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe most dominant individual and team performance in egg bowl all time. Fitz just ripped a hole in rebs that day. I would have put 11 men on the line and made him throw it to a wide open WR by half. Hard to comprehend how much Fitz destroyed them.

The 4th and 1 conversion broke them. Because after that we just stepped on their throats. Had we needed to score 70 that night we could have and I know for a fact Dan gave real thought to gunning for 60. When Dan was locked in for the Egg Bowl, which was rare unfortunately, he could coach circles around whoever Ole Miss had on the sidelines.

[1eyedog]

del

[TrapGame]

And don't forget Tom Allen was no longer helping Wommack with the defense. Their defense went down several notches after Tom left.

'16 was the end of the Freeze Era at OM. I really don't think they minded letting him go the next year.

[BrunswickDawg]

That was also Year 3 for Nick. People forget that Nick was RS in 14 and then didn't play in 15 except for mop up duty and the Troy game where Dak had food poisoning.

The incredible part about Fitz that most people don't really realize is that between his SR year in HS and becoming a full-time starter for us he had thrown less then 100 passes. He would only throw 6-7 passes a game at Richmond Hill. He really learned how to play QB sitting on the bench for 2 years at an SEC school.

[Todd4State]

What has KT looked like?

Only throw 3 passes, but completed 2 of them...
67% comp 46 tds (15.3 per att) 1 td 0 int
305.47 passer rating

10 rushes 79 yards 7.9 per

I realize the passing was vs Alcon st, so not saying he'd do this vs sec teams. Just don't understand the "they would look like kamario does now" statement.

Kamario moved the chains vs Tenn on what should've been a loss. He hasn't looked bad at all.

One of those two was on a gadget play against Alcorn. It wasn't even a traditional read. All it was is our guy was way faster than the Alcorn guy and was wide open- which would have applied to any of our receivers on our roster. We ran the same play against Tennessee and he ran the ball.

[Todd4State]

Maybe most dominant individual and team performance in egg bowl all time. Fitz just ripped a hole in rebs that day. I would have put 11 men on the line and made him throw it to a wide open WR by half. Hard to comprehend how much Fitz destroyed them.

He beat them through the air too that day. I think he had what was it? Three TD passes at least off the top of my head that game. One to Dear on go/slot fade, one to Gray on a screen, and then he hit Ross on that 4th and short on a mesh route.

[Todd4State]

Relf had people saying that in Year 2. Lest we forget one of the great Jack Cristil quotes from the 08 Egg Bowl, "Chris Relf can throw it long. He cannot throw it accurately but he can throw it long."

I forgot about that quote. LOL.