Reminder - These guys are Bulldogs

[archdog]

I am at fault of this already through one game. I threw a lineman under the bus due to his penalties and missed blocks. I shouldn't have done that. We can celebrate other players that come in and handle their position without running down the other player. These guys are all MSU players. They spent all summer busting ass to get playing time for our entertainment. I for one will try to be better. Celebrate the good without specifically calling out the bad by number or name.

[Coach34]

These guys are big boys that play on TV and receive money for that play. When you accept the cheers- you have to accept the criticism

[Goldendawg]

These guys are big boys that play on TV and receive money for that play. When you accept the cheers- you have to accept the criticism

This is the new reality. They make more than many of us ever imagined when we were their age.

[Hot Rock]

These guys are big boys that play on TV and receive money for that play. When you accept the cheers- you have to accept the criticism

^^^This^^^ These are not children. They are grown men accepting pay to do a job. If they can't handle it, then maybe they don't have what it takes.

[Hot Rock]

This is the new reality. They make more than many of us ever imagined when we were their age.

Heck, make more than most of us make now!

[confucius say]

Have no issue with criticism. Just don't make it personal and keep it respectful. No need in degrading people.

[CaptainObvious]

Have no issue with criticism. Just don't make it personal and keep it respectful. No need in degrading people.

So we can't call them overpaid pampered lazy ass slugs when they drop 4 passes, Miss 5 tackles, and 8 blocks?

[confucius say]

So we can't call them overpaid pampered lazy ass slugs when they drop 4 passes, Miss 5 tackles, and 8 blocks?

I mean you can, ha. Just a bad look imo

[mparkerfd20]

You know a worse look? Dropping 4 passes, missing 5 tackles, and 8 blocks.

[BravesDoggy]

What really needs to stop is the segment of fans that are always complaining and say I can’t name one guy on the roster, I don’t know these players blah blah blah.

This isn’t an MSU issue, it’s at every school now. Whether you like it or not that is the system. The days of allegiance are gone. We are in a paid mercenary era.

But that is not gonna stop the blue bloods from filling their stadiums. So the more that our fans whine, gnash their teeth and refuse to attend the games it just solidifies us further and further in the have not category.

And those that say they would rather us dominate the Sun Belt than fight to reach the middle of the pack in the SEC are even worse. Can you imagine how dead Davis Wade would be with a steady schedule of Mississippi Southern, James Madison, La Tech and Marshall?

[Coach34]

Now I will add this:

Contacting them directly via social media in a poor or disrespecting manner is not ok. We can talk about games and player's play and performance on the boards- but contacting them directly to make it personal is not acceptable.

[Brobi-wan]

Now I will add this:

Contacting them directly via social media in a poor or disrespecting manner is not ok. We can talk about games and player's play and performance on the boards- but contacting them directly to make it personal is not acceptable.

Do grown people do this?

[Hot Rock]

Now I will add this:

Contacting them directly via social media in a poor or disrespecting manner is not ok. We can talk about games and player's play and performance on the boards- but contacting them directly to make it personal is not acceptable.

hell must be freezing over ^^^ This^^^

[DownwardDawg]

They are the same as NFL players now. Stephen A will be blasting college players soon.

[archdog]

Have no issue with criticism. Just don't make it personal and keep it respectful. No need in degrading people.

Bingo. Either being paid or not, they choose to be here, and as long as they have on the M&W we shouldn't run them down. If anything, say your criticism of them and move on to pumping up those performing at a high level.

[archdog]

Do grown people do this?

I am sure it has happened.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do grown people do this?

It happens every game. A lot of it revolves around sports betting.

[War Machine Dawg]

Screw that. These young men are paid mercenaries making more money than most of us can ever dream about making. I agree about not making it personal, but they opened themselves up when they decided to take money and have unlimited free agency. If they don't like it, they can always go back to college sports being amateur sports with a one transfer limit. I have zero problem with naming names and harshly criticizing poor performance.

[Coach34]

Screw that. These young men are paid mercenaries making more money than most of us can ever dream about making. I agree about not making it personal, but they opened themselves up when they decided to take money and have unlimited free agency. If they don't like it, they can always go back to college sports being amateur sports with a one transfer limit. I have zero problem with naming names and harshly criticizing poor performance.

100

Blake Shapen makes at least 8 times what I make

[R2Dawg]

They are paid Bullldogs for one year and that is it. If you get paid, you take the abuse we all take that work for the big boss.

Also not sure how many True Maroon Bulldogs we have; we have some. I'm talking about they are all bout playing for MSU not just working the highest bidder every year.

[Coach34]

Do grown people do this?

You serious Clark?

It happens every week in every sport to players. Social media has its good parts but it has also allowed the worst parts of society to elevate into direct contact.

And SVD is right- sports betting and its legal growth has made it that much worse. Bama fans lost their ass this past weekend and are livid- mad at the world

[Coach34]

Also not sure how many True Maroon Bulldogs we have; we have some. I'm talking about they are all bout playing for MSU not just working the highest bidder every year.

This is what many of us hope happens with Noxubee Taylor. Really hoping that maroon bloodline gets us a discount in keeping him with us down the line.

[confucius say]

They are the same as NFL players now. Stephen A will be blasting college players soon.

In the nfl, teams choose players.
In college, players choose teams.
So that part is still different, at least.

[Offshore Dawg]

It happens every game. A lot of it revolves around sports betting.
Yep, bubba lost his beer money. Now he be mad and looking for someone to blame

[DownwardDawg]

In the nfl, teams choose players.
In college, players choose teams.
So that part is still different, at least.

I hear ya. But I could see jackasses like him jumping on the opportunity.

[viverlibre]

In the nfl, teams choose players.
In college, players choose teams.
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Unfortunately our fans can?t figure this out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Unfortunately our fans can?t figure this out.

I'll be completely honest, and maybe this is why NIL doesn't bother me, I've never rooted for players. If they were playing for Mississippi State then I rooted for them WHILE they were playing for Mississippi St. I've never cared what the name on the back of the jersey said, only what's on the front. I've never been under the illusion that these kids dreams were to play at Mississippi State because for 99% of them it wasn't. Enjoy them while you have them and if they give you anything after then that's awesome. Jeffrey Simmons is a prime example of this. Jeff didn't grow up dreaming of playing at Mississippi State. He grew up dreaming of playing big time college football. We provided him the avenue to do that. Now the kicker is that Jeff has given back. He's donated to the school, even though it's never published, and really cares about Mississippi State. He shows up all the time to support other Mississippi State teams and is usually in Starkville for at least one game a year and will come back for practices here and there. Fletcher Cox on the other hand, a great Bulldog by the way, is just about the exact opposite. He really doesn't show up and support. I don't think he gives money and he's never really around the team. Does it mean I think less of him? Not one bit. Fletcher was a hell of a player for us and deserves to do whatever he wants with his time and money. My point is, enjoy them while they're here.

[Hot Rock]

This is what many of us hope happens with Noxubee Taylor. Really hoping that maroon bloodline gets us a discount in keeping him with us down the line.

These guys are still out there, I think Isaac Smith is one and there are others that stay at somewhat of a discount. It is not just loyalty but if a player likes it's coaches and situation, they would be crazy to leave for anything other than life changing money. Moving for the sake of moving is not smart and could land you in a less than desirable situation. That's one reason why we need a consistent coaching staff and not a revolving door of them. I hope Kamario sees it that way and intends to stay because he is not going to get a better situation with coaches and I think he can be a difference maker for us over the next couple to three years.

Sure, there will be a point where the monies are too great. Life changing money is just that, live changing.

[Goldendawg]

Ok, go back to the JWS (my all`time favorite State HC), way of talking about and IDing our players and maybe they won't get their feelings hurt when they look at their new inflated bank accounts in this NIL/Portal "Wild , Wild West". Examples: Number 54 was having a tough time at RT until he got banged up and when we brought in number 74, and reshuffled the OL, blocking got much better. Number 51 had a knee and didn't get to play. Getting him back against ASU will really help the OL. How about this system?****. Hail State and all our players!

[Goldendawg]

These guys are still out there, I think Isaac Smith is one and there are others that stay at somewhat of a discount. It is not just loyalty but if a player likes it's coaches and situation, they would be crazy to leave for anything other than life changing money. Moving for the sake of moving is not smart and could land you in a less than desirable situation. That's one reason why we need a consistent coaching staff and not a revolving door of them. I hope Kamario sees it that way and intends to stay because he is not going to get a better situation with coaches and I think he can be a difference maker for us over the next couple to three years.

Sure, there will be a point where the monies are too great. Life changing money is just that, live changing.

"Moving for the sake of moving". This is the elephant in the portal room that no one including the NCAA or Congress wants to address. About half of these portal jumpers do not even find a landing spot. No more scholarship and odds are no degree which might help them in life if they value a free education at all. What, 1% or so make the NFL? Announcers: so and so is at his 4th school and has two years eligibility left. Bet his GPA and progress toward a degree is a joke, but does anyone even care anymore? The term "student athlete" was at times somewhat iffy at best, now very questionable.

[parabrave]

These guys are big boys that play on TV and receive money for that play. When you accept the cheers- you have to accept the criticism

This. I know alot of the players from the 80 team and dam near every one of them are still true maroon. Even the ones who didn't play. Now days they kids are free agents. They get paid in college more than most of us make for a one year service then off to the highest bidder. And yes for example Arch deserves all the criticism he is getting now as well as any future accolades he might receive. This is a business now.

[parabrave]

Do grown people do this?

Ever heard of a guy named Yancy??? Hell or for that matter ZenaReb.

[Hot Rock]

"Moving for the sake of moving". This is the elephant in the portal room that no one including the NCAA or Congress wants to address. About half of these portal jumpers do not even find a landing spot. No more scholarship and odds are no degree which might help them in life if they value a free education at all. What, 1% or so make the NFL? Announcers: so and so is at his 4th school and has two years eligibility left. Bet his GPA and progress toward a degree is a joke, but does anyone even care anymore? The term "student athlete" was at times somewhat iffy at best, now very questionable.

I don't disagree but if a player is not interested in getting an education, that is on him. Personal responsibility! Football players have always taken a bunch of SOP courses and even brag about it. They have tutors do their work, take courses that don't make them attend classes and they were never about the education.

Some of that is on our society norms but the smart ones see passed it and get themselves an education. They still want to get paid but do it in a way that allows them to get an education.

[EdwardDrayton]

These guys are big boys that play on TV and receive money for that play. When you accept the cheers- you have to accept the criticism

Yep. Money has changed the game.

[archdog]

^^^This^^^ These are not children. They are grown men accepting pay to do a job. If they can't handle it, then maybe they don't have what it takes.

So anyone taking money has to hear all the bullshit that targets people directly?

Must be a boomer Karen that spits on people at the McDonald's counter.
If you wouldn't say it to their face, you probably shouldn't say it online. These guys are 18 years old, not a 35 year old mine worker.

[Hot Rock]

So anyone taking money has to hear all the bullshit that targets people directly?

Must be a boomer Karen that spits on people at the McDonald's counter.
If you wouldn't say it to their face, you probably shouldn't say it online. These guys are 18 years old, not a 35 year old mine worker.

Who said I wasn't respectful to people. I try to be online, if not, I apologize.

I am 5'9 1/2" 180lbs, turn 62 on Thursday and can't whip anyone's ass. But, that doesn't mean I can't critic a player. If they played badly, then they played badly. These aren't first graders, they are grown men being paid quite well to do a job.

Now, name calling and belittling crap, makes the poster look weak-minded to me but a player not being able to handle critism of "THEIR" bad play makes them the weak-minded one.

If they get their feelings hurt about a message board post on their subpar play, maybe they should play better.

[archdog]

Who said I wasn't respectful to people. I try to be online, if not, I apologize.

I am 5'9 1/2" 180lbs, turn 62 on Thursday and can't whip anyone's ass. But, that doesn't mean I can't critic a player. If they played badly, then they played badly. These aren't first graders, they are grown men being paid quite well to do a job.

Now, name calling and belittling crap, makes the poster look weak-minded to me but a player not being able to handle critism of "THEIR" bad play makes them the weak-minded one.

If they get their feelings hurt about a message board post on their subpar play, maybe they should play better.

Back to my original post. Celebrate the good without running down specific players.

[R2Dawg]

Who said I wasn't respectful to people. I try to be online, if not, I apologize.

I am 5'9 1/2" 180lbs, turn 62 on Thursday and can't whip anyone's ass. But, that doesn't mean I can't critic a player. If they played badly, then they played badly. These aren't first graders, they are grown men being paid quite well to do a job.

Now, name calling and belittling crap, makes the poster look weak-minded to me but a player not being able to handle critism of "THEIR" bad play makes them the weak-minded one.

If they get their feelings hurt about a message board post on their subpar play, maybe they should play better.

Nailed it Hot Rock. Show respect but if you are a grown man, you take the criticism. That comes with the paycheck. We all live that if you have a job. If they want to be treated like adults then you get all the adult stuff.

[Hot Rock]

Back to my original post. Celebrate the good without running down specific players.

And I say, call out the bad player. If they can't take that they played badly, they weak minded in the first place. You better believe they been told by the coaches. They know it.