QB Situations For The Year

[StarkVegasSteve]

Look we all know Shapen is the starter this year, you can agree or disagree with it but it's a fact. But we also can be honest and say that the chances of him playing every game are very slim given his injury history. So how do you play this season? Basically do you tailor the offense to protect him? Let him run it with no restrictions? And if/when he does get injured what do you do and who do you turn to?

Me personally, I don't change anything with the offense. I think the way we were running the offense from Florida on is how we need to run it, especially with the talent we have in the RB room. I think we can run, basically, OM's 2021 offense. Booth and Bothwell will probably have 120-140 attempts a piece. Who ever is the 3rd back(whether that be Daniels,Gayten, or Wilson) will have around 100 carries and the QB will have probably 75 ACTUAL rushing attempts. I think you also have goal line packages designed for Kromenhoek due to his size and strength. That would take a few hits away from Shapen as well. With Kamario, and I have been saying it for a year now, the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that you let him play in 4 and R/S him, maybe even let him run the goal line package against someone like Alcorn.

On Shapen, if/when he gets injured I think you'd have to tell me for how long. If it's 1-2 games, I roll with Kromenhoek. He's started at the P4 level and has taken those hits. I know his body can hold up. If it's longer, or if it's the season, then you have a decision to make. At that point, you have to decide if you're ok with losing one of the QBs because the odd man out is probably going to transfer. So you better be damn sure you're picking the right guy. And look, people better understand that could be Luke Kromenhoek. People are just throwing him to the side and anointing a kid who's never played a snap of college football as the savior. Kromenhoek isn't a scrub. He was the 7th ranked portal QB accd to On3 and was the 6th ranked QB on 247. I mean he was a high 4 star coming out of HS. This isn't some throwaway 3 star that we just threw an offer at.

[DownwardDawg]

I agree with this entire post.

[Bdawg]

Play the guy who gives you best chance of winning the most games! Lebby needs wins! Bad! Hope Shapen excels the whole year but we will see. We should have a better running game or at least as good or better than the last half of last season. Should take the pressure off Shapen and open up more big shots down field. I hope.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You cannot lose Kamario Taylor. You cant lose another in state kid that loves State when we need it the most. He has a chance to have a Dak like impact. I have never seen Hoke take a snap. But if he is close to as good as Taylor is, we have one of the best QB rooms in the country

[Coach34]

I don’t see any way Taylor is a Bulldog as a Jr. Too many blue bloods out there gonna make it worth his while to leave. Show him he has a chance at Heisman at Bama/Georgia/LSU/Ohio State etc

[Quaoarsking]

I don’t see any way Taylor is a Bulldog as a Jr. Too many blue bloods out there gonna make it worth his while to leave. Show him he has a chance at Heisman at Bama/Georgia/LSU/Ohio State etc

If Baylor, Louisville, and Colorado can produce Heismans, so can we.

[Coach34]

If Baylor, Louisville, and Colorado can produce Heismans, so can we.

The amount of money he will be offered if he really is that good will be double or maybe even triple what we can give

[CaptainObvious]

The amount of money he will be offered if he really is that good will be double or maybe even triple what we can give

You are an absolute Ray of Sunshine around here. How did you EVER leave Genespage?

[DawgFromOxford]

The amount of money he will be offered if he really is that good will be double or maybe even triple what we can give

Maybe we?ll have that one booster who steps up if we can show we aren?t a dead possum of a program getting running over by the rest of the SEC

[cheewgumm]

Play Taylor.

He actually likes State, supposedly.

Kroma hawk will for sure be gone once he puts up some stats.

There is some chance Kamario will not.

[CaptainObvious]

Isnt Kromenhoek the highest rated QB State has ever signed out of the Portal? That guy doesn't come to Starkville Ms. to be 3rd String. If he is somebody played politics with him. Peyton Manning and Arch Manning waited their turn to play. 2 years for Arch. If Taylor loves State like everyone says, he can wait until next year IF he doesn't beat the other 2 out. If Shapen stays healthy and plays all season, Kromenhoek will be the one transferring out, not Taylor.

[Hot Rock]

I still don?t understand why anyone here thinks they know why we know better than a guy that sees them everyday and is one of the highest paid coaches in all of college football who should be played. Surely he can consider needing to win now and build a program better than any of us.

[cheewgumm]

I still don?t understand why anyone here thinks they know why we know better than a guy that sees them everyday and is one of the highest paid coaches in all of college football who should be played. Surely he can consider needing to win now and build a program better than any of us.

I know better

[Todd4State]

Look we all know Shapen is the starter this year, you can agree or disagree with it but it's a fact. But we also can be honest and say that the chances of him playing every game are very slim given his injury history. So how do you play this season? Basically do you tailor the offense to protect him? Let him run it with no restrictions? And if/when he does get injured what do you do and who do you turn to?

Me personally, I don't change anything with the offense. I think the way we were running the offense from Florida on is how we need to run it, especially with the talent we have in the RB room. I think we can run, basically, OM's 2021 offense. Booth and Bothwell will probably have 120-140 attempts a piece. Who ever is the 3rd back(whether that be Daniels,Gayten, or Wilson) will have around 100 carries and the QB will have probably 75 ACTUAL rushing attempts. I think you also have goal line packages designed for Kromenhoek due to his size and strength. That would take a few hits away from Shapen as well. With Kamario, and I have been saying it for a year now, the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that you let him play in 4 and R/S him, maybe even let him run the goal line package against someone like Alcorn.

On Shapen, if/when he gets injured I think you'd have to tell me for how long. If it's 1-2 games, I roll with Kromenhoek. He's started at the P4 level and has taken those hits. I know his body can hold up. If it's longer, or if it's the season, then you have a decision to make. At that point, you have to decide if you're ok with losing one of the QBs because the odd man out is probably going to transfer. So you better be damn sure you're picking the right guy. And look, people better understand that could be Luke Kromenhoek. People are just throwing him to the side and anointing a kid who's never played a snap of college football as the savior. Kromenhoek isn't a scrub. He was the 7th ranked portal QB accd to On3 and was the 6th ranked QB on 247. I mean he was a high 4 star coming out of HS. This isn't some throwaway 3 star that we just threw an offer at.

I think the best thing to do is just let Shapen run the offense the way it is intended and the way he plays. I get that he is extremely injury prone. But when you limit a player to try to maximize safety it seems like it never really works and the guy gets hurt anyway. Now I definitely think that they should do some things to help him make better business decisions out there as Deion Sanders used to say. But that's only really going to go so far.

One thing that I think really hurt the offense last year was we really were rarely able to run tempo. With a marginally better defense we could improve a bit if we are able to actually implement that more.

[Todd4State]

I still don?t understand why anyone here thinks they know why we know better than a guy that sees them everyday and is one of the highest paid coaches in all of college football who should be played. Surely he can consider needing to win now and build a program better than any of us.

It's just discussion. It's not criticism.

[DEDawg]

The amount of money he will be offered if he really is that good will be double or maybe even triple what we can give

I think we can go, and will, do $1.5M for a legit star QB that is local and loves the school. 2x, maybe, but $3M is still top top top tier guys. Cam Ward got I think $2M last year. I can't see someone giving him 3x ($4M+) unless he wins the Heisman here

[DownwardDawg]

I still don?t understand why anyone here thinks they know why we know better than a guy that sees them everyday and is one of the highest paid coaches in all of college football who should be played. Surely he can consider needing to win now and build a program better than any of us.

How dare we discuss our QB situation in a sports message board!!! What were we thinking???

[Coach34]

I think we can go, and will, do $1.5M for a legit star QB that is local and loves the school. 2x, maybe, but $3M is still top top top tier guys. Cam Ward got I think $2M last year. I can't see someone giving him 3x ($4M+) unless he wins the Heisman here

Manning at Texas is around 8MM this season. LSU paid 1.1MM for our QB to be their back-up. If Taylor is the real deal- he’ll get $5MM or so thrown at him. Auburn paid over a couple mill for the QB they got from OU. That’s why he dropped us quickly. We weren’t near that

[DEDawg]

Manning at Texas is around 8MM this season. LSU paid 1.1MM for our QB to be their back-up. If Taylor is the real deal- he’ll get $5MM or so thrown at him. Auburn paid over a couple mill for the QB they got from OU. That’s why he dropped us quickly. We weren’t near that

Arch Manning is the highest paid QB in history with a name that brings a lot more than just sports. I would wager more than half his NIL is not related to football, but just having the Manning name. Not a good example taking someone who has played 20 total downs of football with the most prestigious football name in history vs someone with nothing to his name (in comparison) that would be being paid for his exemplary play in this hypothetical.

Jackson Arnold was a 5 star ranked significantly higher and "only" got $2M. Now he wasnt' great at OU so that works in your favor for this argument, but still I don't think KT would be getting $3M offers unless he is winning the Heisman here. For reference, Carson Beck got $4M from Miami which I think will end up being the top of the market for anyone who is not a celebrity (Manning, Sanders, other HoF kids)... we will see tho.

[AROB44]

Manning at Texas is around 8MM this season. LSU paid 1.1MM for our QB to be their back-up. If Taylor is the real deal- he?ll get $5MM or so thrown at him. Auburn paid over a couple mill for the QB they got from OU. That?s why he dropped us quickly. We weren?t near that

I think I'll worry about that when it happens. Or...maybe I won't worry about it.

[basedog]

[QUOTE=AROB44;1660614]I think I'll worry about that when it happens. Or...maybe I won't worry about it.[/

[basedog]

I think I'll worry about that when it happens. Or...maybe I won't worry about it.

LOL, maybe the sky will fall or maybe it want. Amazes me predictions about someone who hasn?t even taken a snap at practice. I will watch but not worry right now.