Freeze and Cohen on Auburn?s Recruiting

[ZedFedder]

A tale as old as time, Hugh Freeze blaming others for his shortcomings. Enjoyable to watch both of these guys squirm. Link below.

https://www.on3.com/teams/auburn-tigers/news/were-doing-things-the-right-way-hugh-freeze-john-cohen-address-recruiting-concerns/

[DawgFromOxford]

Freeze doing things the right way? I?ll believe it when I see it.

Interesting to note they talk about the house settlement number being a cap on total athlete spending allowed by institutions as in between rev share + NIL don?t spend more than x amount. I just assumed it would be revenue sharing is capped + unlimited NIL dollars could still be spent

[StarkVegasSteve]

Freeze doing things the right way? I?ll believe it when I see it.

Interesting to note they talk about the house settlement number being a cap on total athlete spending allowed by institutions as in between rev share + NIL don?t spend more than x amount. I just assumed it would be revenue sharing is capped + unlimited NIL dollars could still be spent

That's because it is. The 20 million isn't a hard cap. But then again, we are talking about John Cohen trying to interpret NIL rules and explain it to his coaches. That went SO WELL the first time he did it.

[DawgFromOxford]

That's because it is. The 20 million isn't a hard cap. But then again, we are talking about John Cohen trying to interpret NIL rules and explain it to his coaches. That went SO WELL the first time he did it.

How does that work, seems like you either can or can?t spend more than 20 mil?

[StarkVegasSteve]

How does that work, seems like you either can or can?t spend more than 20 mil?

So this is how I have gathered it works, and I could be completely ass backwards on it as well. But the rev share model is what is replacing the collectives that popped up after NIL was established. So they are replacing your Bulldog Initiative, Grove Collective, etc. So where in those systems you could pay your football team 20 million, your basketball team 8 million, your baseball team 3 million, and so on and so forth; now you can ONLY pay all those sports a COLLECTIVE 20 million. So under the new system, any other additional payments to a player outside of what they were making with rev share would need to come from 3rd party companies and would be subject to approval from Deloitte. Basically meaning that Jimmy Rane and Yellawood can't give a player 500K and he does one tweet and that is approved.

Now where all that will come into question and the lawsuits will pop up is the first time someone says, "Well why can't they pay me 500K for one tweet. Why are you saying that is only worth 5K? You're affecting my NIL earning potential" And the NCAA has lost EVERY NIL earning potential case. So if they actually won a case like that, this system might stick.

[DawgFromOxford]

So this is how I have gathered it works, and I could be completely ass backwards on it as well. But the rev share model is what is replacing the collectives that popped up after NIL was established. So they are replacing your Bulldog Initiative, Grove Collective, etc. So where in those systems you could pay your football team 20 million, your basketball team 8 million, your baseball team 3 million, and so on and so forth; now you can ONLY pay all those sports a COLLECTIVE 20 million. So under the new system, any other additional payments to a player outside of what they were making with rev share would need to come from 3rd party companies and would be subject to approval from Deloitte. Basically meaning that Jimmy Rane and Yellawood can't give a player 500K and he does one tweet and that is approved.

Now where all that will come into question and the lawsuits will pop up is the first time someone says, "Well why can't they pay me 500K for one tweet. Why are you saying that is only worth 5K? You're affecting my NIL earning potential" And the NCAA has lost EVERY NIL earning potential case. So if they actually won a case like that, this system might stick.

That's my understanding as well which is school revenue sharing is capped, but you can still pay players whatever you want outside of that in NIL (assuming you pass the bs audit) aka capped rev share + unlimited NIL. Freeze and Cohen's statements seem to indicate the house settlement number of $20mil is the max amount you can spend total and that NIL deals count towards that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's my understanding as well which is school revenue sharing is capped, but you can still pay players whatever you want outside of that in NIL (assuming you pass the bs audit) aka capped rev share + unlimited NIL. Freeze and Cohen's statements seem to indicate the house settlement number of $20mil is the max amount you can spend total and that NIL deals count towards that.

You mean John Cohen misunderstood an NIL ruling?!?!?!? No!!!! Never!!!!

[DownwardDawg]

I've tried to tell people for years, since Freeze's time at ole miss, he's not a good coach. He was cheating at a level not seen since the old SMU days. When you are breaking all the rules and buying kids away from the blue bloods, you will win some football games. Now that everyone is in a spending race, Freeze ain't shit.

[Pancho]

cash in the hand will become more popular again due to these limitations. I do think you guys have explained this well for now.

[TrapGame]

Freeze will be fired before Thanksgiving.

[DownwardDawg]

Freeze will be fired before Thanksgiving.

Hopefully they'll hang on to Cohen a little longer as they spiral into the depths of hell.

[Todd4State]

I've tried to tell people for years, since Freeze's time at ole miss, he's not a good coach. He was cheating at a level not seen since the old SMU days. When you are breaking all the rules and buying kids away from the blue bloods, you will win some football games. Now that everyone is in a spending race, Freeze ain't shit.

I've always felt like he was a high school level football coach. He was always good for at least one WTF loss a year. And at the same time let's be honest- he had some really good luck at Ole Miss. Like Alabama 2015.

[Todd4State]

So this is how I have gathered it works, and I could be completely ass backwards on it as well. But the rev share model is what is replacing the collectives that popped up after NIL was established. So they are replacing your Bulldog Initiative, Grove Collective, etc. So where in those systems you could pay your football team 20 million, your basketball team 8 million, your baseball team 3 million, and so on and so forth; now you can ONLY pay all those sports a COLLECTIVE 20 million. So under the new system, any other additional payments to a player outside of what they were making with rev share would need to come from 3rd party companies and would be subject to approval from Deloitte. Basically meaning that Jimmy Rane and Yellawood can't give a player 500K and he does one tweet and that is approved.

Now where all that will come into question and the lawsuits will pop up is the first time someone says, "Well why can't they pay me 500K for one tweet. Why are you saying that is only worth 5K? You're affecting my NIL earning potential" And the NCAA has lost EVERY NIL earning potential case. So if they actually won a case like that, this system might stick.

I wonder how MSU is going to break down the 20 million? Any guesses on that? I'm thinking like 15 million for football, 3 for basketball and 2 for baseball?

[HoopsDawg]

I wonder how MSU is going to break down the 20 million? Any guesses on that? I'm thinking like 15 million for football, 3 for basketball and 2 for baseball?

Texas Tech released their allocation. 74% to football. 17-18 to men's basketball. 2% to women's basketball. 1.9% to baseball. The rest to everyone else.

[Goldendawg]

Texas Tech released their allocation. 74% to football. 17-18 to men's basketball. 2% to women's basketball. 1.9% to baseball. The rest to everyone else.

How long until Title 9 lawsuits over a split like this?

[PGHBulldogBG]

While funny, it is mind boggling why Auburn hired Cohen. In the end it helped us, but it was very strange considering his inability to understand and fully support NIL. None of this to me is surprising based on the disaster situation we are still climbing out of. A lot of that is due to Cohens mismanagement of NIL and other things. Freeze also isn?t as good a recruiter when paying players is free game now