Kamario or bust

[justwin]

I start Kamario first snap of season and I even name him starter a week before USM. I potentially bring shapen in every 3rd series for first few games to give kamario a breather. If Kamario plays all 12 games, MSU will win 6+. you have to play the best players and Kamario has all of the tools, intelligence, enrolled early, and winning pedigree. you see this every year when coaches pick the wrong QB wasting the first half of the season. Look at Lagway last year at UF and all of the wasted reps with Mertz. then, look at beamer starting Sellers game 1 and they won 9 last year inlcuding clemson which was bold and smart by Beamer. what beamer did was incredibly rare and it saved his job. Kamario needs all of the reps of the first four games to be ready to win the 3 of the last 6. this is the only take worth having on this upcoming season. I doubt I watch any games unless Kamario plays and I know most MSU fans feel the same. Kamario would be hell in Lebby's offense, probably better than the guy who signed with auburn from oklahoma.

[Quaoarsking]

I start Kamario first snap of season and I even name him starter a week before USM. I potentially bring shapen in every 3rd series for first few games to give kamario a breather. If Kamario plays all 12 games, MSU will win 6+. you have to play the best players and Kamario has all of the tools, intelligence, enrolled early, and winning pedigree. you see this every year when coaches pick the wrong QB wasting the first half of the season. Look at Lagway last year at UF and all of the wasted reps with Mertz. then, look at beamer starting Sellers game 1 and they won 9 last year inlcuding clemson which was bold and smart by Beamer. what beamer did was incredibly rare and it saved his job. Kamario needs all of the reps of the first four games to be ready to win the 3 of the last 6. this is the only take worth having on this upcoming season. I doubt I watch any games unless Kamario plays and I know most MSU fans feel the same. Kamario would be hell in Lebby's offense, probably better than the guy who signed with auburn from oklahoma.

We do?

[Cooterpoot]

Welcome back Just Win! LOL

[StarkVegasSteve]

We do?

I was thinking the same thing. Kamario is good and has the chance to be an all time great, but he's not ready. Everyone is taking a spring game and rolling with it that he's the best QB. That's a low leverage, no pressure type situation. His throws are also all predetermined. There was no reading a defense.

Now look, if we start off 3-1 or worse and then start getting skulled in SEC play then yeah. Go ahead and throw him in there Game 8 or 9. But just be careful with him. Because it'd be really nice to not have to burn his RS year on a lost season.

[Quaoarsking]

I was thinking the same thing. Kamario is good and has the chance to be an all time great, but he's not ready. Everyone is taking a spring game and rolling with it that he's the best QB. That's a low leverage, no pressure type situation. His throws are also all predetermined. There was no reading a defense.

Now look, if we start off 3-1 or worse and then start getting skulled in SEC play then yeah. Go ahead and throw him in there Game 8 or 9. But just be careful with him. Because it'd be really nice to not have to burn his RS year on a lost season.

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

[Cooterpoot]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

[Hot Rock]

I do not have an opinion on who should start as I am not a football coach, much less one that is there everyday and neither are any of you or you would not be putting this on a message board.

Why is it we can?t hire a coach, let him pick his starter and roll with it?

Just like redshirting is meaningless, getting a true freshman reps is a waste. Play the best guy, let the coach pick that guy and let?s roll.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

Yea Shapen was not the problem last year. Hell I go back to the Arizona St game and wonder how differently that game plays out if Traore catches the one Shapen dropped into his arms on the second play of the game or the Craver "offensive PI" that negated like a 65 yard gain. If we win that, I think we take care of Toledo the next week and roll into Florida 4-0

[vv83]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

100%. If If Taylor, let's please don't call him KT guys, shows out and shows you he's the best then start him. Period.

[Cooterpoot]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

And that's Shapen and it's already decided. There's really no debate here anyway. The question is who takes over if Shapen goes down.

[Homedawg]

We do?

No we don't. He's physically skilled. But he's played at noxubee high. He's never seen anything like an sc defense. He will be good one day. And hopefully sooner rather than later. But...

[Homedawg]

And that's Shapen and it's already decided. There's really no debate here anyway. The question is who takes over if Shapen goes down.
This^

[basedog]

No we don't. He's physically skilled. But he's played at noxubee high. He's never seen anything like an sc defense. He will be good one day. And hopefully sooner rather than later. But...

Yep

[BravesDoggy]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

Shapen is a good QB. If he had played for 2nd half of the season MSU we may have won another game or 2. The only really bad play he made was taking the bad sack and fumble against ASU. And he had ZERO running game. If he had the Booth we saw in the latter part of the season he could have done a lot of damage. Not Shapen's fault that the team totally fell asleep against Toledo and couldn't stop a sneeze against Florida.

The guy can make throws all over the field. We need WR that can catch it and a line that can keep him upright. He has the feet to get himself out of trouble. We don't need him to rush for 75 or 100 yards, just scramble and get down.

[viverlibre]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

[Hot Rock]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

And that is one more reason why you are not coaching a major football program!

[Brobi-wan]

Is there no chance that Luke K could be our starter at all? I was thinking Luke, Blake, redshirt KT

[DownwardDawg]

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

This. For some reason people have a hard time understanding this. He was actually pretty damn good.

[DownwardDawg]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

Stay far away from coaching.

[DEDawg]

Is there no chance that Luke K could be our starter at all? I was thinking Luke, Blake, redshirt KT

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th

My guess is that it would be Kromenhoek. I think you'd try to get them both a drive though.

[Ezsoil]

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

I wouldn't say that ....because with the NIL countracts many players will make the most they will ever make in college ...you already see it in Baseball followed by basketball... for a few elite players the pros will be an increase in pay ...but 99% of college players will make more in college ....

[DownwardDawg]

I think it's Shapen then KT then a distant third for LK. Would love to be wrong though, Shapen has the least talent of all 3 but is the most experienced at this point. It will be really interesting to see if KT or LK comes in first if we are up 30 on USM in the 4th

Up 30 against USM????? I'll have some of what you're having!!!!!

Seriously though, I hope your optimism is right. I just hope we can beat them. We suck as bad as the Croom teams that lost to La Tech and Tulane.

[Coach34]

Starting a true freshman that ran a very basic Spread offense at Noxubee behind a new OL that will take time to gel would be pretty dumb.

[vv83]

Up 30 against USM????? I'll have some of what you're having!!!!!

Seriously though, I hope your optimism is right. I just hope we can beat them. We suck as bad as the Croom teams that lost to La Tech and Tulane.

I honestly think just having SEC athletes on defense makes us twice as good as last season. We should be able to hold them to 14 and don?t think unreasonable we put up 45 on them. That being said we are MSU so strong change it?s a tight game going into the 4th

[EdwardDrayton]

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

I mean, blown glass IS expensive. *****

[Cooterpoot]

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

Hate to hurt your feelings but we aren't just winning 2 or 3 games. We're going to win a few. Taylor will get his 4 games. Might have a goal line package for him or something but he's redshirting and knew it when he signed. He gets to learn the offense behind Shapen (who likely ends up a grad assistant type if he doesn't play after State).

[Coach34]

We all know Plastic Man wont finish the season. Let him play his 5-6-7 games till he gets hurt and then turn it over to the other 2 QB's.

[EdwardDrayton]

We all know Plastic Man wont finish the season. Let him play his 5-6-7 games till he gets hurt and then turn it over to the other 2 QB's.

^^^^^^

[viverlibre]

This. For some reason people have a hard time understanding this. He was actually pretty damn good.

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.

[Coach34]

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.

The thing is- it doesnt matter. We arent winning 6 no matter who plays QB.

[Todd4State]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

You shouldn't base whether a QB starts or not based on one game. That would be about like me saying Dak should have been benched because of the 2014 Egg Bowl.


With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, the portal is a big part of the game now BUT you still have to have a development piece. You have to have guys that you develop. You look at Ole Miss and yes, they got a ton of players out of the portal BUT they also had a constant at QB for three years to build around. We shouldn't overlook the development piece of the equation.


And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

We feel the same way about this. Kamario has an incredible ceiling. My biggest concern is can Shapen make it through the season?

[bulldawg28]

The thing is- it doesnt matter. We arent winning 6 no matter who plays QB.

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.

I don’t think RB’s performing is the issue. I think the question is the line of scrimmage. We have a lot of new offensive and defensive linemen. You have to be strong on the line of scrimmage on both sides in this league. Last year, our defensive line was as bad as it’s been in many years at MSU. We couldn’t stop the run and we couldn’t get to the quarterback. How we perform on the line of scrimmage on both sides will make or break us.

[Pancho]

Yes balled out at home against that powerhouse Toledo. A true freshman put up much better numbers on the road in Athens.

No matter who you start, the ceiling is 4-5 wins. So start Sharp and let?s say he?s decent. We?re 4-8 in 2025 and heading into 2026 (a year we will hopefully get a break on the schedule) with an unproven, inexperienced QB.

Start Shapen, he gets the ?easy? reps against lessor competition. By the Tenn game he?s out for the year and we?re scrambling to get an inexperienced QB ready against the meat of our schedule, when Shapen got the first team reps up until that point.

i'll side with the part about you staying far away from coaching but carry on

[StarkVegasSteve]

You shouldn't base whether a QB starts or not based on one game. That would be about like me saying Dak should have been benched because of the 2014 Egg Bowl.



I don't think it's that cut and dried. Yes, the portal is a big part of the game now BUT you still have to have a development piece. You have to have guys that you develop. You look at Ole Miss and yes, they got a ton of players out of the portal BUT they also had a constant at QB for three years to build around. We shouldn't overlook the development piece of the equation.



We feel the same way about this. Kamario has an incredible ceiling. My biggest concern is can Shapen make it through the season?

The concern with Shapen, or at least my concern, is can you run this offense the way we want to run it without having to worry if Shapen is going to get hurt? I mean it seemed like the first game this offense was running the way Lebby wanted to run it was against Florida, and Shapen gets hurt in that game.

[tcdog70]

And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

[Coach34]

I think we will be on the cusp, 5 minimum knocking at 6 is very doable. If all these RB's perform there will be at least 2 upsets in Starkville this year, maybe 3.

Our home slate is:

Arizona St
Tenn
Texas
Georgia
Mississippi

It's unlikely we win 2 of those. 3 has no chance. 1 is most likely and 0 is very possible

[gtowndawg]

van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

I have no idea if you are right or wrong but I appreciate a hard take like that.

[bulldawg28]

Our home slate is:

Arizona St
Tenn
Texas
Georgia
Mississippi

It's unlikely we win 2 of those. 3 has no chance. 1 is most likely and 0 is very possible

ASU, Tennessee, Ole Miss

[StarkVegasSteve]

van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

[Coursesuper]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

This is the correct take on this tread. The kid has talent but doesn't even know how to play QB in D1 yet.

[bulldawg28]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

Remember, you wanted the Qb from Oklahoma over Van Buren

[StarkVegasSteve]

Remember, you wanted the Qb from Oklahoma over Van Buren

Yea......still would take him over Van Buren due to knowledge of the system. I have no idea what part he plays in this. The point I was making was that we are calling a kid, who's never taken a collegiate snap, head and shoulders better than a kid that has 7 games of SEC experience under his belt. You can't make that statement in anything other than opinion. He may be better, I personally think he's going to be better, but we don't know that yet. Let's let the kid take a few snaps first. These same people that are saying Kamario is the best QB we have ever had said Keytaon Thompson was the best QB we've ever had and Chris Parson(still no S) was going to be a multi year SEC starter. They also were some of the same ones saying we needed to start Dam Williams over Fitzgerald.

[Coach34]

ASU, Tennessee, Ole Miss

Not gonna happen. I dont see a way for us to get to 6 wins.

[Todd4State]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

I think it is fair to say that the ceiling for Kamario is much higher than Van Buren's.

Van Buren made some mistakes you wouldn't see a 4A HS QB make. Like getting a delay of game penalty at least once a game. I don't remember the worst QB's from the Croom era doing that. Now, yes, I am harping on that but it just felt like he had a lack of feel for a lot of things.

Kamario on the other hand is basically built like a NFL QB and we'll see what he can do in live action. I just have a lot more confidence in him and to be fair- I really like Kroemenhoek a lot and I personally like Kamario better than him.

It just seems to me like Kamario has the potential to be a guy that can be an accurate downfield passer like what Tennessee had a couple of years ago and also has the ability to make plays with his legs as well. Van Buren to me just feels like an athlete playing QB.

[Todd4State]

Yea......still would take him over Van Buren due to knowledge of the system. I have no idea what part he plays in this. The point I was making was that we are calling a kid, who's never taken a collegiate snap, head and shoulders better than a kid that has 7 games of SEC experience under his belt. You can't make that statement in anything other than opinion. He may be better, I personally think he's going to be better, but we don't know that yet. Let's let the kid take a few snaps first. These same people that are saying Kamario is the best QB we have ever had said Keytaon Thompson was the best QB we've ever had and Chris Parson(still no S) was going to be a multi year SEC starter. They also were some of the same ones saying we needed to start Dam Williams over Fitzgerald.

To be fair though- some of those QB's didn't pan out in part because of coaching changes. And Parson had an injury and just hasn't been able to really shake it.

And I'll say this- I would love to have Sawyer Robertson back.

[Leroy Jenkins]

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

HEY! Don?t bring facts into this, sir.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.


Yes. Glad you wrote it out so I didn?t have to.

[tcdog70]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

Dude-- Ray Charles can see Taylor is way better than Van Buren. I noticed you picked 2 of the worst teams Noxubee played. The beat a Louisville team that had not lost in 3 years. They played Starkville-West Point and all the best teams in the playoffs. If You put Taylor at the 1 yard line He will score, He won't turn his back to the line and try to back in. He is Kin to Omarr, he has the blood line. Have you even watched Him play a game? Your opinion is based off of what?

[Lord McBuckethead]

The concern with Shapen, or at least my concern, is can you run this offense the way we want to run it without having to worry if Shapen is going to get hurt? I mean it seemed like the first game this offense was running the way Lebby wanted to run it was against Florida, and Shapen gets hurt in that game.

True. But you roll with the pieces you have. Shapen is better day 1. K may be ready if he took all first string snaps leading into the SEC schedule. I still say, Shapen is the horse in my mind. Dude was pretty dang good before the injury.

[StarkVegasSteve]

True. But you roll with the pieces you have. Shapen is better day 1. K may be ready if he took all first string snaps leading into the SEC schedule. I still say, Shapen is the horse in my mind. Dude was pretty dang good before the injury.

Yea. This whole conversation is a moot point. Shapen is better Day 1 and will lead the team from Day 1. Through 4 games last year Blake was:

74/108, 974 yds, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 68.5% completion percentage.


You put that over the whole year and that is around 3K yds, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs which is almost to a T what Dillon Gabriel was his first year at OU with Lebby. I would expect we see Blake take a similar jump this year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dude-- Ray Charles can see Taylor is way better than Van Buren. I noticed you picked 2 of the worst teams Noxubee played. The beat a Louisville team that had not lost in 3 years. They played Starkville-West Point and all the best teams in the playoffs. If You put Taylor at the 1 yard line He will score, He won't turn his back to the line and try to back in. He is Kin to Omarr, he has the blood line. Have you even watched Him play a game? Your opinion is based off of what?

I watched him play 4-5 times last year and 1-2 the year before that. He is extremely talented, which I have said multiple times in this thread and said multiple times last year as well. Hell I even said he was better than Van Buren. But you are trying to compare a kid who has played in the conference to a kid that hasn't. We do not know what he will be until he takes the field and has 300 lb SEC d lineman breathing down his neck. The talent is off the charts for Taylor, no doubt about it. He has good mechanics, a good build, and knows how to move in the pocket. But at the end of the day, it is different playing 3A ball in the MHSAA than it is in the SEC. Hell, even Jeffrey struggled with consistency early on as a Freshman and he was a damn 5 star no doubt about it prospect.

[maroonmania]

Yea. This whole conversation is a moot point. Shapen is better Day 1 and will lead the team from Day 1. Through 4 games last year Blake was:

74/108, 974 yds, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 68.5% completion percentage.


You put that over the whole year and that is around 3K yds, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs which is almost to a T what Dillon Gabriel was his first year at OU with Lebby. I would expect we see Blake take a similar jump this year.

It's also a moot point because either Taylor or Kromenhauk will likely get their opportunity this season. We know the odds of Shapen making it more than halfway through the season is less than 50/50. I will be shocked if our backups don't end up starting multiple games this season.

[BravesDoggy]

I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.

And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.

Rusell was probably the first legit QB talent that we had on campus in many of these younger dudes lifetimes. And I'm just talking skill at throwing the football. Unfortunately for Tyler, he just didn't fit in Mullen's scheme. He could have shattered the MSU record books if he had come along in 2000.

[gtowndawg]

I think Shapen will play in every game this year and have decent looking stats. Just a gut feeling.

Also, did you know he's 24?

[maroonmania]

Rusell was probably the first legit QB talent that we had on campus in many of these younger dudes lifetimes. And I'm just talking skill at throwing the football. Unfortunately for Tyler, he just didn't fit in Mullen's scheme. He could have shattered the MSU record books if he had come along in 2000.

Russell's biggest issue was he just wasn't very accurate over 20 yards downfield. I can't tell you the number of times I saw him overthrow open receivers down the field that were open and likely could have scored. By Dak's senior year he was way more accurate on all his throws than. Tyler ever was.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's also a moot point because either Taylor or Kromenhauk will likely get their opportunity this season. We know the odds of Shapen making it more than halfway through the season is less than 50/50. I will be shocked if our backups don't end up starting multiple games this season.

I would not hate to the see them start Alcorn honestly. No reason to let Blake take unnecessary hits and we can beat them with either Kromenhoek or Taylor. Also love to see us get up early on USM and NIU and get Blake out of those by the 4th quarter.

I do think Blake will be healthier this year. The good news is that the shoulder thing was not something he dealt with at Baylor. So it is not a recurring thing. From everything I have heard, we are going to be running a lot of the offense we were running at the end of the year. Focus on our strengths with the running backs and take shots when they are there. Ala 2021 Ole Miss offense

[bulldawg28]

Not gonna happen. I dont see a way for us to get to 6 wins.

Magic happening this fall!

[Pancho]

what % of the playbook will Kamario have mastered by the fall?

[DEDawg]

I would not hate to the see them start Alcorn honestly. No reason to let Blake take unnecessary hits and we can beat them with either Kromenhoek or Taylor. Also love to see us get up early on USM and NIU and get Blake out of those by the 4th quarter.

I do think Blake will be healthier this year. The good news is that the shoulder thing was not something he dealt with at Baylor. So it is not a recurring thing. From everything I have heard, we are going to be running a lot of the offense we were running at the end of the year. Focus on our strengths with the running backs and take shots when they are there. Ala 2021 Ole Miss offense

I see your side, but with how many new pieces we have at WR I think we need all the in game live action no matter how bad the competition with Blake and the WR group.

That being said, do we have any idea who emerged at WR in the spring? That is my biggest concern offensively, I think OL will be ok

[Coach34]

I I think OL will be ok

Unless you have 3-4 starters returning on the OL- every OL needs 3-4 weeks to really gel

Playing Arizona St so early will be a test of whose OL gels quick enough

[Quaoarsking]

We should have been cowards and bought out of the Arizona State game.

I still am skeptical we'll go 2-6 in the SEC, but it's a lot easier to see than 3-5.

[Todd4State]

We should have been cowards and bought out of the Arizona State game.

I still am skeptical we'll go 2-6 in the SEC, but it's a lot easier to see than 3-5.

We almost beat them on the road last year and they don't have Honey Boo Boo back at RB.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We were extremely ill prepared against ASU last year, but we did make good 2nd half adjustments. We just dug ourselves too big of a hole. We need to play a mistake free game, but I think beating ASU at home is possible and would really help start to get people on board that we could make a bowl game

[StarkVegasSteve]

We were extremely ill prepared against ASU last year, but we did make good 2nd half adjustments. We just dug ourselves too big of a hole. We need to play a mistake free game, but I think beating ASU at home is possible and would really help start to get people on board that we could make a bowl game

I go back to three plays that turned that game on it's head:

1. The second play of the game, Shapen drops one in the bucket to Seydou down the sideline and he just drops it. He scores on that play or is inside the redzone. Instead we go 3 and out.

2. The OPI on Craver. He either scored or we had the ball inside the 10. Instead we're backed up inside our own 10. Which leads me to point 3.

3. The very next play, Shapen tries to make too much happen instead of eating it and taking a sack and he fumbles, which leads to a scoop and score.

[basedog]

I expect us to be much improved, not sure how many games we will win but our staff should be better prepared as the players. It's much harder rebuilding a football team than a basketball and baseball team, look at the numbers of players, it just takes more time to build. If you look across the country or even the world you will see more kids play baseball and basketball.

[War Machine Dawg]

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

This. You can't redshirt talented players anymore. As soon as one of our players shows anything resembling high end talent, they're being tapped up by bigger, richer programs and leaving. Look no further than MVB leaving to ride the bench at LSU. If Taylor has the highest ceiling, then start him and live with the growing pains. We'll have him two years max before he bolts for Texas, Bama, UGA, etc

[Todd4State]

This. You can't redshirt talented players anymore. As soon as one of our players shows anything resembling high end talent, they're being tapped up by bigger, richer programs and leaving. Look no further than MVB leaving to ride the bench at LSU. If Taylor has the highest ceiling, then start him and live with the growing pains. We'll have him two years max before he bolts for Texas, Bama, UGA, etc

I wouldn't be surprised if MVB transfers again. With Kamario he wasn't our starter long term. And I don't see him starting at LSU either unless he changes positions.

[Coach34]

I wouldn't be surprised if MVB transfers again. With Kamario he wasn't our starter long term. And I don't see him starting at LSU either unless he changes positions.

LSU didnt pay him a million for no reason. He could easily be the starter for them in 26. He is pretty good.

[Pancho]

I think he's too plain for LSU and is there as window dressing only.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wouldn't be surprised if MVB transfers again. With Kamario he wasn't our starter long term. And I don't see him starting at LSU either unless he changes positions.

I don't see him starting at LSU, could be wrong though. I see him putting some good practice film on tape and some blowout games on tape and transferring back closer to the DMV. Somewhere like Maryland or UVA.

[tcdog70]

I don't see him starting at LSU, could be wrong though. I see him putting some good practice film on tape and some blowout games on tape and transferring back closer to the DMV. Somewhere like Maryland or UVA.

he is an average QB at best. he will never Start for a good team.

[RezDog7]

LSU didnt pay him a million for no reason. He could easily be the starter for them in 26. He is pretty good.

You thought Arnett and Lemonis were good coaches too. He's not good.

[Coach34]

You thought Arnett and Lemonis were good coaches too. He's not good.

I said Arnett was a good defensive coach. Never said he was a goof HC.

Lemon has a natty. Nuff said

[DownwardDawg]

I said Arnett was a good defensive coach. Never said he was a goof HC.

Lemon has a natty. Nuff said

So does Orgeron and Les Miles.

[Coach34]

So does Orgeron and Les Miles.

Yep.

Orgeron is 67-47 as a HC
Miles is 108-73 as a HC (105-55 before the Kansas debacle)

[Quaoarsking]

Miles is really 145-73, with 37 vacated wins.

[DownwardDawg]

Yep.

Orgeron is 67-47 as a HC
Miles is 108-73 as a HC (105-55 before the Kansas debacle)

Orgeron is an idiot. I actually liked Les Miles. He was fun to have in the SEC. LSU won despite orgeron.

[parabrave]

Rusell was probably the first legit QB talent that we had on campus in many of these younger dudes lifetimes. And I'm just talking skill at throwing the football. Unfortunately for Tyler, he just didn't fit in Mullen's scheme. He could have shattered the MSU record books if he had come along in 2000.

Kevin Fant was MSUs 1st real 4-5 star QB. He had a great 1st year then got slaughtered the rest of his career behind so me really bad OLines. Also got screwed over by some OM POS tire store owner.

[Todd4State]

Kevin Fant was MSUs 1st real 4-5 star QB. He had a great 1st year then got slaughtered the rest of his career behind so me really bad OLines. Also got screwed over by some OM POS tire store owner.

The 2001 Egg Bowl performance was pretty awesome though.

[War Machine Dawg]

Kevin Fant was MSUs 1st real 4-5 star QB. He had a great 1st year then got slaughtered the rest of his career behind so me really bad OLines. Also got screwed over by some OM POS tire store owner.

If Fant had been about 3 years older and started on the 98, 99, and 2000 teams, we'd have won a major bowl game, maybe even a natty.

ETA: Kinda doing Todd Jordan dirty, too. Believe he would've been an equivalent to a 4-5 start QB at the time he came out of HS. But we haven't had many, that's for sure.