We are building a monster

[preachermatt83]

Guys, does anyone else see what?s happening with our baseball program?. Like this is no small deal. We are going one thousand percent all in. A huge nil contribution came in already and another one is coming next week. We hired the best coach in baseball. And we have the Carnegie Hall at the dude!! Man, it?s about to be fun!!

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah, I think so. At this point, if O'Connor retires without multiple national championships, and more trips to Omaha than years where we don't make it, that's a disappointment.

[Saltydog]

He'd better start hitting some homeruns in the portal if that's the case.........Still two more weeks left until it closes so we'll see what happens.........

[HoopsDawg]

He'd better start hitting some homeruns in the portal if that's the case.........Still two more weeks left until it closes so we'll see what happens.........

2 more weeks until players can't enter anymore.

But yes, need a SS, C, and some high level arms.

[Quaoarsking]

He'd better start hitting some homeruns in the portal if that's the case.........Still two more weeks left until it closes so we'll see what happens.........

We gotten what, 3 of the top 10 portal players, with a good shot of 2-3 more?

[Pancho]

strohm at catcher is a real player.

[MBDawg601]

I?ll have what he?s having.


But seriously, I hope you?re right.

[Ranchdawg]

We?re Back! Looking forward to this NEW staff! I don?t know the solution but for the eyes watching on tv please fix the empty seats in prime areas of the Dude. It is a bad look on tv to have thousands of empty seats in prime areas. Especially true for SEC weekends.

Also for those in triple crown club area please show some enthusiasm. Most act like they are at church on Sunday morning.

[DownwardDawg]

He'd better start hitting some homeruns in the portal if that's the case.........Still two more weeks left until it closes so we'll see what happens.........

Maybe our targets are still playing for another couple weeks.

[DownwardDawg]

Guys, does anyone else see what?s happening with our baseball program?. Like this is no small deal. We are going one thousand percent all in. A huge nil contribution came in already and another one is coming next week. We hired the best coach in baseball. And we have the Carnegie Hall at the dude!! Man, it?s about to be fun!!

100%!!!! We finally did it!!! This is what makes sense for MSU. Should have been done much sooner but at least here we are now!!

[Pancho]

We?re Back! Looking forward to this NEW staff! I don?t know the solution but for the eyes watching on tv please fix the empty seats in prime areas of the Dude. It is a bad look on tv to have thousands of empty seats in prime areas. Especially true for SEC weekends.

Also for those in triple crown club area please show some enthusiasm. Most act like they are at church on Sunday morning.

they simply show when they want to and have had tickets in the family since the late 60's. the crown club is where the influential hang out and they think they are impressing someone simply by being there.

[Coach34]

I'm proud of us. We have had guys step up the last 8 weeks and say enough- we want to remain a top baseball program. It's freakin huge.

We still have problems in recruiting with small town StarkVegas and being in Mississippi- but money is no longer an issue. We have eliminated the Big Boys buying guys from us. And to our "crowds" peeps- it doesnt help a whole lot to attract recruits- but it does help a whole lot in keeping players.

BOC is gonna have to change a little in that he has to be a big portal guy this offseason and next offseason as he builds recruiting classes- so I'm interested to see how he does there.

[cheewgumm]

I'm proud of us. We have had guys step up the last 8 weeks and say enough- we want to remain a top baseball program. It's freakin huge.

We still have problems in recruiting with small town StarkVegas and being in Mississippi- but money is no longer an issue. We have eliminated the Big Boys buying guys from us. And to our "crowds" peeps- it doesnt help a whole lot to attract recruits- but it does help a whole lot in keeping players.

BOC is gonna have to change a little in that he has to be a big portal guy this offseason and next offseason as he builds recruiting classes- so I'm interested to see how he does there.

👍🏼

I figured we have Becker by now. Guess that?s not likely?

[Thick]

I think he knows what he has to do in the portal. Don?t think he had the support to really be competitive much less successful in the portal. If you can recruit, and you have the resources with the facilities, Starkville is not going to be the problem the majority of the time. Now a days, we should leverage small town with safety and security as a strength.

[Coach34]

I figured we have Becker by now. Guess that?s not likely?

The longer it takes the less our chances- means the other Big Boys are making headway

[Coach34]

Now a days, we should leverage small town with safety and security as a strength.

In today's climate? I agree

[HoopsDawg]

I think he knows what he has to do in the portal. Don?t think he had the support to really be competitive much less successful in the portal. If you can recruit, and you have the resources with the facilities, Starkville is not going to be the problem the majority of the time. Now a days, we should leverage small town with safety and security as a strength.

Our recruiting big board needs to be field with the most talented players in the country that also like to hunt and fish. There are enough talented "rednecks" out there to field an Omaha caliber team.

[HoopsDawg]

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I figured we have Becker by now. Guess that?s not likely?

Unfortunately we will not be signing Becker. He will be staying at UVA or heading to Texas.

[Coach34]

Our recruiting big board needs to be field with the most talented players in the country that also like to hunt and fish. There are enough talented "rednecks" out there to field an Omaha caliber team.

absolutely- which means having a bigger chase of midwestern players

[Thick]

Our recruiting big board needs to be field with the most talented players in the country that also like to hunt and fish. There are enough talented "rednecks" out there to field an Omaha caliber team.

Absolutely!!

[PGHBulldogBG]

If only we put this much into basketball. Maybe one day I will keep praying it happens

[Dawgology]

If only we put this much into basketball. Maybe one day I will keep praying it happens

I don’t think our basketball supporters have near as much money as our baseball supporters. At least it doesn’t appear that way. And our football boosters are clearly much poorer than our baseball guys . Of course, it takes a lot more for football

[Coursesuper]

I don’t think our basketball supporters have near as much money as our baseball supporters. At least it doesn’t appear that way. And our football boosters are clearly much poorer than our baseball guys . Of course, it takes a lot more for football

No. But baseball has just had a quite a few boosters that stayed away begin to give that changed the equation greatly for that program.

[Saltydog]

I was guessing we weren't going to get him......It was just taking way too long...........

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don’t think our basketball supporters have near as much money as our baseball supporters. At least it doesn’t appear that way. And our football boosters are clearly much poorer than our baseball guys . Of course, it takes a lot more for football

Our biggest basketball booster getting involved in baseball is a big reason we were able to go all in. Richard can cut a damn big check.

[Tater]

Unfortunately we will not be signing Becker. He will be staying at UVA or heading to Texas.

I was told 10% chance we get him 70% texsa gets him 20% UVA retains him. Guessing you heard similar or worse. (You Might have more up to date info)

[gtowndawg]

If only we put this much into basketball. Maybe one day I will keep praying it happens

Man, no kidding. Shaking my head...

[maroonmania]

Man, no kidding. Shaking my head...

Well, compare how many MLB players to how many NBA players we have and that might explain a lot relative to booster money available in each sport.

[DownwardDawg]

Well, compare hiw many MLB players to how many NBA players and that might explain a lot relative to booster money available in each sport.

Yep. And we went all in on the sport that makes the most sense. Now, we need to figure out how to get addition funds for basketball. That should be next.
Yes we all know football pays the bills. And frankly, 99% of us care more about winning in football than any other sport. The reality though is that we will never win a Natty or even compete for one in football. Especially with NIL and transfers. Just try to win 7 games per year, which will be a huge struggle.

[basedog]

Man, RIP shannondog (few years back), he was a huge basketball supporter. He loved Rick Stansbury, I miss his phone calls and inside basketball news. One great guy!

[DownwardDawg]

Man, RIP shannondog (few years back), he was a huge basketball supporter. He loved Rick Stansbury, I miss his phone calls and inside basketball news. One great guy!

I remember him from the boards.

[HoopsDawg]

I was told 10% chance we get him 70% texsa gets him 20% UVA retains him. Guessing you heard similar or worse. (You Might have more up to date info)

probably more like 5% MSU, 50% Texas, 45% Virginia. UVA landing Gracia and Kyle Johnson has helped their chances. Our coaches just have to convince him that he will only be in Starkville for about 10 months, he will have some teammates with him, same coaches as UVA, and Ace Reese providing protection. That plus a few more dollars in NIL gives us a 5% chance.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I just am not ready to fully give up on football until I see Missouri, USCe and Ole Miss down at the bottom. Those 3 are still competing and better than a lot of the top 9 outside of UGA, Bama and Texas. If they can do it we can step up to the plate and do it too if we put the effort and get the right coaching staff and start to win some games.

[Coach34]

I just am not ready to fully give up on football until I see Missouri, USCe and Ole Miss down at the bottom. Those 3 are still competing and better than a lot of the top 9 outside of UGA, Bama and Texas. If they can do it we can step up to the plate and do it too if we put the effort and get the right coaching staff and start to win some games.

Mississippi and US are no longer the same. They consistently bring in 20-30MM a year in football than we do now

[PGHBulldogBG]

Mississippi and US are no longer the same. They consistently bring in 20-30MM a year in football than we do now

Yea I get they are doing that, but a lot of that is because they have had sustained success and coaching through the past 5 years. Basically they are in our Mullen era. If we were having that same success it should make the playing field more even financially. People are not putting money into a product that is going 2-10. If we could at least get some 6-6 or 7 win seasons I think the money would increase. Ole Miss maybe wasn?t the best example they kind of were more a bridge team between the top 9 and bottom 7, but Missouri and USCe are definitely on par with us and Missouri has won like 20 some games over the past two seasons. Their fans are spending and bought in because they have a solid coaching staff. Now I will say Ark and UK have definitely really struggled in this era. For Ark it is similar to us it?s a coaching issue and fan support. UK will always only care about basketball so I see them always being down with Vandy because of it moving forward. We just need to get a competent staff here and see what happens. Maybe Lebby will surprise me and start to pick it up, I?m just not sold on him and I never liked the hire from day 1

[SpaceBully]

Guys, does anyone else see what?s happening with our baseball program?. Like this is no small deal. We are going one thousand percent all in. A huge nil contribution came in already and another one is coming next week. We hired the best coach in baseball. And we have the Carnegie Hall at the dude!! Man, it?s about to be fun!!

"We are building a monster"...........this was my exact thought following our 2021 season. I really believed Lemonis was the guy that would add numerous other CWS titles.

[Pancho]

the JMU pitcher looks really good

[Hot Rock]

If you not excited about MSU baseball then you are not a fan.

[Coach34]

If you not excited about MSU baseball then you are not a fan.

agree.

Got be to be portal watching and then the draft next month. I want Frei back so bad but I feel he will get a solid draft pick and enough money to lure him away

[HoopsDawg]

agree.

Got be to be portal watching and then the draft next month. I want Frei back so bad but I feel he will get a solid draft pick and enough money to lure him away

Ben Davis got invited to the MLB combine so he's gone. Frei and Teel are the ones to watch.

[Coach34]

Ben Davis got invited to the MLB combine so he's gone. Frei and Teel are the ones to watch.

Davis
Williams
Pico de Gallo
Scary
Liggs

All will be drafted and gone

[HoopsDawg]

Davis
Williams
Pico de Gallo
Scary
Liggs

All will be drafted and gone

Agree. Maybe a small chance with Siary.

[Coach34]

Agree. Maybe a small chance with Siary.

Scary gonna be a lower round guy but he has to go because if he stays he will get nothing but a twix and a capri sun next year in the draft. However- with our infusion of money into the baseball program- maybe we make it worth his time. That's a tough question considering the arm talent we have as SP's right now. We have 4 Dude's fighting for 3 weekend spots next year and that doesnt even include Scary. McPh/Burns/Foster/Val are all weekend guys.

[HoopsDawg]

Scary gonna be a lower round guy but he has to go because if he stays he will get nothing but a twix and a capri sun next year in the draft. However- with our infusion of money into the baseball program- maybe we make it worth his time. That's a tough question considering the arm talent we have as SP's right now. We have 4 Dude's fighting for 3 weekend spots next year and that doesnt even include Scary. McPh/Burns/Foster/Val are all weekend guys.

I think you write Foster and Val in ink. Burns is going to have to get better command. I expect McPh to make a big jump. 200k seems reasonable for Scary. He would be the best weekday pitcher in the conference + a great weekend insurance policy.

[Todd4State]

Ben Davis got invited to the MLB combine so he's gone. Frei and Teel are the ones to watch.

Kevin Mannell got invited to the MLB combine last year. So, I wouldn't say that it's a slam dunk that he goes.

[Coach34]

I think you write Foster and Val in ink. Burns is going to have to get better command. I expect McPh to make a big jump. 200k seems reasonable for Scary. He would be the best weekday pitcher in the conference + a great weekend insurance policy.

agree and we arent going to go with 3 LH'ed SP's on the weekend. So either Scary or McPh will throw on the weekend. Burns has top talent- he just needs innings. I just think looking at the situation- Scary takes the money and goes pro. If we double what MLB offers up to 300K- he would be crazy to leave and we would be better for it

[Todd4State]

I think you write Foster and Val in ink. Burns is going to have to get better command. I expect McPh to make a big jump. 200k seems reasonable for Scary. He would be the best weekday pitcher in the conference + a great weekend insurance policy.

If Siary comes back I would say the odds of him being in the weekend rotation are very high. Along with that, I would say the odds of McPherson being in the bullpen when everything shakes out is high as well. I think he will have a career arc similar to Landon Sims where he becomes our closer.relief ace and then transitions to a starting pitcher his junior year.

[Coach34]

Kevin Mannell got invited to the MLB combine last year. So, I wouldn't say that it's a slam dunk that he goes.

Dude-Davis is likely a Top 5 round draft pick. He gone

[Todd4State]

agree and we arent going to go with 3 LH'ed SP's on the weekend. So either Scary or McPh will throw on the weekend. Burns has top talent- he just needs innings. I just think looking at the situation- Scary takes the money and goes pro. If we double what MLB offers up to 300K- he would be crazy to leave and we would be better for it

If he makes 200K even he would come out better financially as a senior sign. The thing is his spin on his breaking balls is pretty elite and that's going to be very attractive to a MLB organization. Ben Davis to me is in the same boat as far as being draftable but with an obviously different skill set.

[Coach34]

Davis and Williams are guys that are coming back from major arm issues that finally got well. They arent high on draft boards because of that. But they will be drafted and be gone

[Todd4State]

Dude-Davis is likely a Top 5 round draft pick. He gone

This class must be weaker than I thought if he is. I think he is 6-10 at best. His K/BB ratio isn't great and he struggled as a starting pitcher against SEC competition.

[Todd4State]

Davis and Williams are guys that are coming back from major arm issues that finally got well. They arent high on draft boards because of that. But they will be drafted and be gone

They aren't high because they have a lot of questions and need more development. Williams is a relief only guy and his fastball is pretty straight. They won't be drafted higher than the 5th round unless some team falls in love with them for some reason. There's just a lot of guys in the draft like them.

Personally, I would rank them: 1. Siary 2. Davis 3. Williams

[Coach34]

They aren't high because they have a lot of questions and need more development. Williams is a relief only guy and his fastball is pretty straight. They won't be drafted higher than the 5th round unless some team falls in love with them for some reason. There's just a lot of guys in the draft like them.

Personally, I would rank them: 1. Siary 2. Davis 3. Williams

I'll be shocked if Scary is drafted in the Top 15 rounds. I dont see Davis or Williams making it out of the Top 10 rounds

[The Federalist Engineer]

PSA -Nate Williams is 23 years old, 4 months shy of 24. Also, he was out of action for 2 years.

I wonder if you can be drafted at that age. Just 7 months younger than Stone. And baseball has a prejudice versus big boys with Arm trouble. He seems max effort.

I hope he is drafted, lives the dream.

[TALL DAWG]

If this occurs, we should be able to give both more than what
they?ll get being drafted. To me, this is a ?no brainer? for them
to return.

**I?m referring to Coach?s comment at 10:16.

[Todd4State]

PSA -Nate Williams is 23 years old, 4 months shy of 24. Also, he was out of action for 2 years.

I wonder if you can be drafted at that age. Just 7 months younger than Stone. And baseball has a prejudice versus big boys with Arm trouble. He seems max effort.

I hope he is drafted, lives the dream.

This is where NIL has changed things and roster limits. If he wants to go pro then he absolutely should go. And I wouldn't blame him because of his age.

However, he could make more money potentially by coming back to MSU. With how some of our pitchers are looking early this summer plus the players we are adding in the portal it makes me wonder how much he would really pitch?

[Todd4State]

I'll be shocked if Scary is drafted in the Top 15 rounds. I dont see Davis or Williams making it out of the Top 10 rounds

None are rated in MLB.com's top 200 which puts them outside of the top 5 rounds. I could see Davis and Williams being taken in the top 10. You said top 5 earlier for Davis.

Siary has more flexibility because he can start or relieve. He doesn't throw as hard but he has good spin on his breaking balls and MLB values that as much as velocity these days.

Of note- Davis is the only one of the three who put out an announcement that he was coming back and I doubt he would do that if he was dead set on MLB and going pro. He also is an in state guy who playing baseball for MSU is a dream of his. That's not to say that he won't go pro or someone won't draft him or anything like that. Just that there are some other factors at play here.

[99jc]

None are rated in MLB.com's top 200 which puts them outside of the top 5 rounds. I could see Davis and Williams being taken in the top 10. You said top 5 earlier for Davis.

Siary has more flexibility because he can start or relieve. He doesn't throw as hard but he has good spin on his breaking balls and MLB values that as much as velocity these days.

Of note- Davis is the only one of the three who put out an announcement that he was coming back and I doubt he would do that if he was dead set on MLB and going pro. He also is an in state guy who playing baseball for MSU is a dream of his. That's not to say that he won't go pro or someone won't draft him or anything like that. Just that there are some other factors at play here.

You are right about NIL a player can make more money at school than a pro signing bonus. There is no slam dunk on a player going pro anymore period!

[CaptainObvious]

You are right about NIL a player can make more money at school than a pro signing bonus. There is no slam dunk on a player going pro anymore period!

I'm going to play Selmon's advocate here. Why would we want to pay a 5th year Senior $200k when we could pay a sophomore $150k for his sophomore year and $250k for his junior year if he is worth it? Just trying to rationalize where we get our best value. And by WE, I mean the program because it would be hard financially for me to buy the kid a Triple Stack at Wendy's!😳

[SpaceBully]

Our football supporters realize we will never win a Championship in SEC football. It was an amazing thing just to see us go against UT and play well in our only appearance. We actually led in the 4th qtr. against the Vols before Tee Martin torched us. In today's environment, we won't return to Hotlanta, so I think everyone sees a glimmer of hope of winning a Natty in basketball and baseball.

[99jc]

I'm going to play Selmon's advocate here. Why would we want to pay a 5th year Senior $200k when we could pay a sophomore $150k for his sophomore year and $250k for his junior year if he is worth it? Just trying to rationalize where we get our best value. And by WE, I mean the program because it would be hard financially for me to buy the kid a Triple Stack at Wendy's!😳

Dang Cap...you are not down to eating catfood are Ya!

[maroonmania]

Our football supporters realize we will never win a Championship in SEC football. It was an amazing thing just to see us go against UT and play well in our only appearance. We actually led in the 4th qtr. against the Vols before Tee Martin torched us. In today's environment, we won't return to Hotlanta, so I think everyone sees a glimmer of hope of winning a Natty in basketball and baseball.

Yep, football is just in a tough spot. We are way more disadvantaged in the current environment in that sport now than we were pre-NIL era. Of course it would help if we didn't have a staff of coaches learning on the job and our team could actually play well enough to give boosters some hope of improvement. Just no return on investment at the moment.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep, football is just in a tough spot. We are way more disadvantaged in the current environment in that sport now than we were pre-NIL era. Of course it would help if we didn't have a staff of coaches learning on the job and our team could actually play well enough to give boosters some hope of improvement. Just no return on investment at the moment.

It's just a crap spot to be in. All our NIL was used to get an SEC roster, not fill certain spots like most SEC teams were doing. And so looking at the prospect of having to go back to those people that cut those checks and say, "Hey I know y'all gave us 15 million last year and we only went 4-8 or 5-7 but we need another 15-18 million this year." That's a tough pill to swallow and a tough sell when your rival 90 miles up the road has been regularly competing for CFP appearances and NY6 Bowls since 2021.

[Saltydog]

Mississippi and US are no longer the same. They consistently bring in 20-30MM a year in football than we do now

I don't think it's sustainable. They kinda went all in last year and still couldn't make the playoffs. When do the donors get tired of handing out money hand over fist for the same or worse results? Sure, they have some money but not enough to last for an indefinite period of time. You can only go with your hand held out so many times.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think it's sustainable. They kinda went all in last year and still couldn't make the playoffs. When do the donors get tired of handing out money hand over fist for the same or worse results? Sure, they have some money but not enough to last for an indefinite period of time. You can only go with your hand held out so many times.

They won't. Because they get it. They will give and continue to give as long as Keith Carter is the AD because he gets it. He has made them understand what it takes to win in this new environment. And they start young. They are contacting grads the minute they get their diploma and setting them up to give the minimum amount to their collective because they know that if they get in on the ground floor then it will help them when these grads earnings take off. So they are constantly cycling new blood into their donor ranks.

We on the other hand, took our NIL lead for 3 years from a guy who first tried to peddle baseballs and when that didn't work said we should just throw our hands up and wait for the NCAA, yes the 17 NCAA, to make it go away. So now we have people, who could be giving a good amount, that are still waiting on the NCAA to fix it and make it go away.

[maroonmania]

It's just a crap spot to be in. All our NIL was used to get an SEC roster, not fill certain spots like most SEC teams were doing. And so looking at the prospect of having to go back to those people that cut those checks and say, "Hey I know y'all gave us 15 million last year and we only went 4-8 or 5-7 but we need another 15-18 million this year." That's a tough pill to swallow and a tough sell when your rival 90 miles up the road has been regularly competing for CFP appearances and NY6 Bowls since 2021.

Yea, a lot to ask boosters to give 10s of millions of dollars just for the chance to maybe get to 6 or 7 wins. But now if we had coaches the quality of Kiffin and Golding running our football program there would be a lot more motivation to give just like O'Connor is going to greatly increase the motivation to donate to baseball. Instead we have a HC and DC needing OJT.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yea, a lot to ask boosters to give 10s of millions of dollars just for the chance to maybe get to 6 or 7 wins. But now if we had coaches the quality of Kiffin and Golding running our football program there would be a lot more motivation to give just like O'Connor is going to greatly increase the motivation to donate to baseball. Instead we have a HC and DC needing OJT.

I don't think another coach wins more than 4 last year. We were so bad and so talent deficient. It was the direct result of bad recruiting over a 4 year period. Saying that, they gave Lebby a lot of money to work with this past offseason. He needs to win 5-6 for them to be so willing to pony that kind of cash up once again. And by the way, the defense is going to be MUCH better. Rhoads and MacIntyre being in the building has been a huge boost to us.

[DownwardDawg]

I don't think another coach wins more than 4 last year. We were so bad and so talent deficient. It was the direct result of bad recruiting over a 4 year period. Saying that, they gave Lebby a lot of money to work with this past offseason. He needs to win 5-6 for them to be so willing to pony that kind of cash up once again. And by the way, the defense is going to be MUCH better. Rhoads and MacIntyre being in the building has been a huge boost to us.

Who are Rhoads and ManIntyre?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who are Rhoads and ManIntyre?

Paul Rhoads and Mike MacIntyre. They were hired as defensive analysts in the off season.

Paul Rhoads is the former HC at Iowa St and has architected some really great defenses over the years.

Mike MacIntyre has been HC at a lot of different stops but was the OM DC in 19 and the Memphis DC in 20-21.

Both have been at a lot of different places and are very well respected in the coaching ranks. They were both brought on in defensive analyst roles and will probably both be one of our 15 headsets on gameday.

[maroonmania]

I don't think another coach wins more than 4 last year. We were so bad and so talent deficient. It was the direct result of bad recruiting over a 4 year period. Saying that, they gave Lebby a lot of money to work with this past offseason. He needs to win 5-6 for them to be so willing to pony that kind of cash up once again. And by the way, the defense is going to be MUCH better. Rhoads and MacIntyre being in the building has been a huge boost to us.

Not saying a different staff wins a bunch more games for us right now because we are talent deficient, but a more proven staff helps (a) get you more money coming in when the fans and boosters have confidence in the coaches' ability to build a program and (b) allow the same money to get better players out of the portal and through HS recruiting because the recruits are excited to play for someone that has a track record of success. Right now we are having to overpay because the recruits are taking a risk to come play for guys that have no proven record of success at MSU or anywhere else. HC had never been a HC before at any level and DC had never been a defensive coordinator at any level.

[DownwardDawg]

Paul Rhoads and Mike MacIntyre. They were hired as defensive analysts in the off season.

Paul Rhoads is the former HC at Iowa St and has architected some really great defenses over the years.

Mike MacIntyre has been HC at a lot of different stops but was the OM DC in 19 and the Memphis DC in 20-21.

Both have been at a lot of different places and are very well respected in the coaching ranks. They were both brought on in defensive analyst roles and will probably both be one of our 15 headsets on gameday.

Thank you. Unfortunately I just don't pay near as much attention as I used to. I can't name half the coaches and maybe 3 or 4 starters.

[Todd4State]

They won't. Because they get it. They will give and continue to give as long as Keith Carter is the AD because he gets it. He has made them understand what it takes to win in this new environment. And they start young. They are contacting grads the minute they get their diploma and setting them up to give the minimum amount to their collective because they know that if they get in on the ground floor then it will help them when these grads earnings take off. So they are constantly cycling new blood into their donor ranks.

We on the other hand, took our NIL lead for 3 years from a guy who first tried to peddle baseballs and when that didn't work said we should just throw our hands up and wait for the NCAA, yes the 17 NCAA, to make it go away. So now we have people, who could be giving a good amount, that are still waiting on the NCAA to fix it and make it go away.

Eventually they'll get tired of 10-3 because they view themselves as a program that should be on par with Bama, LSU, and Georgia. They just will. And if they lose a couple of Egg Bowls they'll get even more impatient.

[Todd4State]

Not saying a different staff wins a bunch more games for us right now because we are talent deficient, but a more proven staff helps (a) get you more money coming in when the fans and boosters have confidence in the coaches' ability to build a program and (b) allow the same money to get better players out of the portal and through HS recruiting because the recruits are excited to play for someone that has a track record of success. Right now we are having to overpay because the recruits are taking a risk to come play for guys that have no proven record of success at MSU or anywhere else. HC had never been a HC before at any level and DC had never been a defensive coordinator at any level.

Yeah. You look at baseball and you can see the difference. We brought in a legit coach and it's obvious that the excitement and donations are up.

It can happen in football too- see Jackie. If Lebby doesn't work out we are going to have to hire someone that has at least a good track record to fix things.

[basedog]

Exactly, starts with the coach!