Coach 34, if I may, a football question

[gtowndawg]

In a recent thread (I forget which one) you commented we (State) have decided to try and compete in basketball and baseball and "survive" in football. Can you elaborate what survive means exactly? Does survive mean try and win 6 or try and win 8 or try and win at all? I've said in this landscape we need to go all in on basketball and shoot for 6-8 wins in football. Maybe once a decade we win 9 or 10 as crazy as that seems right now. But 6 or 7 wins gets you to a bowl and at least keeps us as somewhat stable in the most important sport.

[Tbonewannabe]

Not Coach34, but I will throw out my opinion.

We aren't throwing money into football like Ole Miss and all that got them was a New Year's Day bowl. I would assume we don't have the budget to get even middle of the pack in the SEC. That gets you to the Outback or Liberty bowl.

We can't do things how we were previously successful. We are essentially a minor league team for the upper level. If we have a great player then they will outbid us more than likely.

We seem to have alumni willing to pony up in baseball and somewhat in basketball but that is somewhat doable with the smaller roster.

[Coach34]

Well- it comes down to this:

We have guys that stepped up in baseball to ensure we are going to be a top half SEC program for the coming future. Top half of the SEC means you are contending for a Natty every year. LSU/Texas/A&M/Tenn/UPig/Fla and then us are pumping money into baseball at a higher rate than the other programs. We have commitments now to make sure we remain a Big Boy in the sport. Your NIL dollars go farther in baseball than the other sports.

Basketball has their guys that are committed to make sure we are going to win in basketball. Keep us relevant in the sport. We dont have the money of a Kentucky and others- but because basketball rosters are smaller- we can afford to build a pretty good roster year in and out. So we are committed there.

Football is just a different animal. We simply cant afford to contend. Half the conference will be at or close to $20MM in NIL for the 2025 season. We cant get close to that. We have guys pumping money into the program but its just enough to make sure we can stay ahead of G5 and compete with the bottom of the conference. Football has to moneyball it- basketball and baseball do not. Thats the difference

[confucius say]

You mean 20 million total or 20 million on top of the revenue share?

[BigDawg81]

Yes. We are in baseball
Bart Hyche (sp) holds an annual golf event for the basketball NIL
I don’t see any of that for football

[Coach34]

You mean 20 million total or 20 million on top of the revenue share?

On top. The $20MM is the mandatory part and done by the school for all programs total. The boosters kick in the rest of whats needed to build top rosters for prospective sports.

Its been reported Manning at Texas has around an $8MM NIL for 2025. Our QB left to get a million at LSU. The NCAA revenue sharing is nothing but a way to end a court case and then schools will continue business as usual.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Well- it comes down to this:

We have guys that stepped up in baseball to ensure we are going to be a top half SEC program for the coming future. Top half of the SEC means you are contending for a Natty every year. LSU/Texas/A&M/Tenn/UPig/Fla and then us are pumping money into baseball at a higher rate than the other programs. We have commitments now to make sure we remain a Big Boy in the sport. You NIL dollars go farther in baseball than the other sports.

Basketball has their guys that are committed to make sure we are going to win in basketball. Keep us relevant in the sport. We dont have the money of a Kentucky and others- but because basketball rosters are smaller- we can afford to build a pretty good roster year in and out. So we are committed there.

Football is just a different animal. We simply cant afford to contend. Half the conference will be at or close to $20MM in NIL for the 2025 season. We cant get close to that. We have guys pumping money into the program but it?s just enough to make sure we can stay ahead of G5 and compete with the bottom of the conference. Football has to moneyball it- basketball and baseball do not. Thats the difference

I definitely agree on most of this, but I still am confused on if Ole Miss, Missouri and USCe to a smaller degree can do it why we can?t for football. Ole Miss poured money into NIL early because they are more progressive than us overall and had a much better coaching situation, but if we had got a similar caliber coach as Ole Miss, what is the reason we can?t get the money to win 8 or 9 games like they can? Clearly it is a struggle for Ole Miss or Missouri to get over the hump and out perform the big boys like Texas, UGA and Bama, but Ole Miss and Missouri are both punching above their weight having similar or better seasons than LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida etc. I guess I am just not informed enough and would like to know if those programs can do it why can?t state when we are pretty much on equal terms with programs like OM, Mizzou and USCe historically

[HoopsDawg]

College football has a 105 man roster. NFL has a 53 man roster. Seems we need to manage our roster like an NFL team. Focus funds on 45 players. Assign value to positions. Allocate resources to off field staff for evaluation and recruiting. De-prioritize high school players. Value older players with chips on their shoulders. Coach em up and see what happens.

[Pinto]

College football has a 105 man roster. NFL has a 53 man roster. Seems we need to manage our roster like an NFL team. Focus funds on 45 players. Assign value to positions. Allocate resources to off field staff for evaluation and recruiting. De-prioritize high school players. Value older players with chips on their shoulders. Coach em up and see what happens.

They just need to cut the college football roster down to 65 or 70. That would create more parity and prevent the cutting of other sports that is taking place at several schools

[CaptainObvious]

I definitely agree on most of this, but I still am confused on if Ole Miss, Missouri and USCe to a smaller degree can do it why we can?t for football. Ole Miss poured money into NIL early because they are more progressive than us overall and had a much better coaching situation, but if we had got a similar caliber coach as Ole Miss, what is the reason we can?t get the money to win 8 or 9 games like they can? Clearly it is a struggle for Ole Miss or Missouri to get over the hump and out perform the big boys like Texas, UGA and Bama, but Ole Miss and Missouri are both punching above their weight having similar or better seasons than LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida etc. I guess I am just not informed enough and would like to know if those programs can do it why can?t state when we are pretty much on equal terms with programs like OM, Mizzou and USCe historically

Because for whatever reason State either can't hire a guy like Lane Kiffin or will not try to. The Head Coach matters in Football and he needs to have some sort of pedigree!

As for Missouri, when they were Big 12, they were like Kansas, Iowa State. Cannon Fodder for the league elites. They joined the SEC, had some early success and decided to compete. They hired an up and comer. Also, they are the only real college program in a moderate sized State with 2 major cities!

[Coach34]

I definitely agree on most of this, but I still am confused on if Ole Miss, Missouri and USCe to a smaller degree can do it why we can?t for football. Ole Miss poured money into NIL early because they are more progressive than us overall and had a much better coaching situation, but if we had got a similar caliber coach as Ole Miss, what is the reason we can?t get the money to win 8 or 9 games like they can? Clearly it is a struggle for Ole Miss or Missouri to get over the hump and out perform the big boys like Texas, UGA and Bama, but Ole Miss and Missouri are both punching above their weight having similar or better seasons than LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida etc. I guess I am just not informed enough and would like to know if those programs can do it why can?t state when we are pretty much on equal terms with programs like OM, Mizzou and USCe historically

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

[Coach34]

College football has a 105 man roster. NFL has a 53 man roster. Seems we need to manage our roster like an NFL team. Focus funds on 45 players. Assign value to positions. Allocate resources to off field staff for evaluation and recruiting. De-prioritize high school players. Value older players with chips on their shoulders. Coach em up and see what happens.

I agree with this completely. We cant be a developmental school anymore. Those days are gone in the current model of constant transfers

[StarkVegasSteve]

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want to the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

This is the god honest truth. They wear donating to The Grove Collective like a badge of honor. We have people that want to brand people who donate to the Bulldog Initiative or State Excellence Fund with a scarlet A.

[parabrave]

I definitely agree on most of this, but I still am confused on if Ole Miss, Missouri and USCe to a smaller degree can do it why we can?t for football. Ole Miss poured money into NIL early because they are more progressive than us overall and had a much better coaching situation, but if we had got a similar caliber coach as Ole Miss, what is the reason we can?t get the money to win 8 or 9 games like they can? Clearly it is a struggle for Ole Miss or Missouri to get over the hump and out perform the big boys like Texas, UGA and Bama, but Ole Miss and Missouri are both punching above their weight having similar or better seasons than LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida etc. I guess I am just not informed enough and would like to know if those programs can do it why can?t state when we are pretty much on equal terms with programs like OM, Mizzou and USCe historically

OM has LK who has contacts still in So Cal who will send their QB son to him. And somehow they do get receivers that for his Offense. We didn't even Leach. He had contacts at Brandon/

[gtowndawg]

I definitely agree on most of this, but I still am confused on if Ole Miss, Missouri and USCe to a smaller degree can do it why we can?t for football. Ole Miss poured money into NIL early because they are more progressive than us overall and had a much better coaching situation, but if we had got a similar caliber coach as Ole Miss, what is the reason we can?t get the money to win 8 or 9 games like they can? Clearly it is a struggle for Ole Miss or Missouri to get over the hump and out perform the big boys like Texas, UGA and Bama, but Ole Miss and Missouri are both punching above their weight having similar or better seasons than LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida etc. I guess I am just not informed enough and would like to know if those programs can do it why can?t state when we are pretty much on equal terms with programs like OM, Mizzou and USCe historically

This is where I fall. Unfortunately, it sounds like we've given up on football, which if that's the case, we will become Southern eventually. I still think we can compete and win 6,7,8 games a year, call me crazy.

[maroonmania]

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

Buying players in football has been their thing for decades way before it was legal. The fact they can do it now unfettered is perfect for them. We just don't have those kind of boosters who have lots of cash and love the ego boost of being able to say "I bought that guy for us". I never worried about falling way behind OM in football until NIL essentially allowed pay for play but now its going to be tough sledding for us to stay up with them. Leach passing and them being willing to hire Kiffin (who though tainted was always a heck of an offensive coach) has just helped further separate things. I do think if our boosters could see some light at the end of the tunnel with a competent coaching staff in place they would be willing to put more funds into football NIL. Right now though there isn't much hope, and when there isn't hope, folks aren't nearly as willing to donate their money.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is where I fall. Unfortunately, it sounds like we've given up on football, which if that's the case, we will become Southern eventually. I still think we can compete and win 6,7,8 games a year, call me crazy.

We can win 6-7 consistently and every 2-3 years sneak up and win 9-10. That is why we need to stabilize the roster. We need to get back to that 6-7 win threshold with what we have and then start to find multi year guys that can build towards a peak year, a bit like we used to do with Mullen but it's a bit harder to time in the portal era.

[confucius say]

On top. The $20MM is the mandatory part and done by the school for all programs total. The boosters kick in the rest of whats needed to build top rosters for prospective sports.

It's been reported Manning at Texas has around an $8MM NIL for 2025. Our QB left to get a million at LSU. The NCAA revenue sharing is nothing but a way to end a court case and then schools will continue business as usual.

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

[confucius say]

They just need to cut the college football roster down to 65 or 70. That would create more parity and prevent the cutting of other sports that is taking place at several schools

Yep. You don't need 105 players. 80 is more than enough.

[Coach34]

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

Oh really?

https://www.outkick.com/sports/texas-college-football-millions-roster-nil-house-settlement

[StarkVegasSteve]

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

I would expect every SEC team next year, if Rev Share goes through, will have a roster anywhere between 28-38 million. We will be on the lower end of that but will still have a lot of money. I.E. We'll be closer to 34 than to 30

[confucius say]

Oh really?

https://www.outkick.com/sports/texas-college-football-millions-roster-nil-house-settlement

Yes, really. Did you read the article? It said one school, Texas, is expected to be at 30-40 total. Even if you spot them that they get to 35-37 total, that's one school. The richest one in college football.
Who are the other 7 sec teams putting in 20 million in NIl on top of the 17 million in rev share? Not happening.

[confucius say]

I would expect every SEC team next year, if Rev Share goes through, will have a roster anywhere between 28-38 million. We will be on the lower end of that but will still have a lot of money. I.E. We'll be closer to 34 than to 30

We're spending 17 million in NIL and 17 million in rev share?

[Coach34]

Yes, really. Did you read the article? It said one school, Texas, is expected to be at 30-40 total. Even if you spot them that they get to 35-37 total, that's one school. The richest one in college football.
Who are the other 7 sec teams putting in 20 million in NIl on top of the 17 million in rev share? Not happening.

So you think LSU/Tenn/Bama/Aub/Georgia/Fla/A&M are all just going to let Texas outspend them? You're delusional if you think that. Plus, SC/Mississippi/UPig will continue to outspend us. Some of them are already spending over 20MM per

[confucius say]

So you think LSU/Tenn/Bama/Aub/Georgia/Fla/A&M are all just going to let Texas outspend them? You're delusional if you think that. Plus, SC/Mississippi/UPig will continue to outspend us.

Yes. Texas will spend more than anybody in the conference. Not saying by some huge gap. But they will spend the most because they have the most.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We're spending 17 million in NIL and 17 million in rev share?

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

[HoopsDawg]

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.

[Coach34]

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.

We never have and never will get the guys the big boys want. The only time we have is when they were homegrown. That’s our only chance

[StarkVegasSteve]

Gotta see what Lebby and staff can do. My biggest concern is landing impact DTs. Will we ever land a Walter Nolen type from the portal. I'm skeptical.

Yea you and I agree on that. We need an impact DL instead of just hoping Burroughs is that or that Whitson can take the next step.

[HoopsDawg]

We never have and never will get the guys the big boys want. The only time we have is when they were homegrown. That?s our only chance

I wonder if we would have kept any of the homegrown blue chippers in today's era. I feel Chris Jones would have left after freshman year. We may have kept Simmons, but he would have been half our budget.

Those guys are rare. Not enough Fletcher Cox's to go around.

[gtowndawg]

We can win 6-7 consistently and every 2-3 years sneak up and win 9-10. That is why we need to stabilize the roster. We need to get back to that 6-7 win threshold with what we have and then start to find multi year guys that can build towards a peak year, a bit like we used to do with Mullen but it's a bit harder to time in the portal era.

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.

[confucius say]

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wonder if we would have kept any of the homegrown blue chippers in today's era. I feel Chris Jones would have left after freshman year. We may have kept Simmons, but he would have been half our budget.

Those guys are rare. Not enough Fletcher Cox's to go around.

It would have been tough to have afforded the 18 defense in the transfer portal era. That would have been a 3 million dollar defense between Simmons, Sweat, Abram, and Co.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?

No on the roster for this upcoming season. I should have said we had raised that by years end. My bad on that one.

[Coach34]

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.

I disagree. 6-7 is our new ceiling unless we get really lucky

[MoreCowbell]

Totally agree, we have the ability to win 7 games consistently and once a decade have the stars align for a bigger year. But I just feel like people have given up on the most important sport on campus.

Also, if we spend 18million on football and some of our lower half competition (Ole Miss, Missouri, etc) spend 20, I don't think it's that big of a difference between a high 3star recruit and a low 4 star recruit. It's close enough where coaching and home field advantage make the difference.

We would have to offer significantly more money to a player others want to get them to Starkville. So even if the gap is only 3 million on paper it is actually much bigger than that.

[Hot Rock]

Right. I get that the rev share is 20.5, about 15-17 of which will go to football.
But I don't think 8 sec teams will put in additional 20 million to football on top of the 15-17. That would be 35-37 million.

Then you would be wrong. Manning getting 8 mil for one year... what you think the rest of that roster is getting?

[Bothrops]

We could be a G5 football program with much better facilities. That looks to be the future, whether we like it or not. Just don't have the ability to waste millions and millions and millions every single year on kids looking for the highest bidder after a year, if you're lucky. Kids' brains are controlled by instant gratification. The modern day crops don't have anything for loyalty or sense of belonging. It's what they were taught.

[Coach34]

We could be a G5 football program with much better facilities. That looks to be the future, whether we like it or not. Just don't have the ability to waste millions and millions and millions every single year on kids looking for the highest bidder after a year, if you're lucky. Kids' brains are controlled by instant gratification. The modern day crops don't have anything for loyalty or sense of belonging. It's what they were taught.

We’re not going to be removed because we suck in football. Just like Candy won’t. Kentucky won’t.

Basketball brings a shit ton of money into the conference as well. It is viewed damn near as important as football from a business perspective. Baseball continues to grow and grow. Moving forward there will be winners, middle teams, and suck teams. The model moving forward doesn’t want to bunch of 9-3 teams at the Top of the rankings. Got to have some doormats for some off weeks

[confucius say]

Then you would be wrong. Manning getting 8 mil for one year... what you think the rest of that roster is getting?

Manning plays for 8 sec teams?

[Coursesuper]

We are going to spend as close to 20 as possible. Basketball is being take care of by Oscar and Richard and baseball has some rejuvenated boosters that are going to foot a larger portion. I would guess we spend between 18-20 on football. And yes, our football guys really stepped up. We were up around 15 last year by the end.

This is on point and how it really is.

[BigDawg81]

High school recruiting has gone to shit. Whenever, I don’t even want to look but it’s usually a G5 player. It’s really depressing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

High school recruiting has gone to shit. Whenever, I don’t even want to look but it’s usually a G5 player. It’s really depressing.

We are not going to offer HS kids a bunch of money that we do not think they will play in Yr 1. Lebby is using the Kiffin approach. ID 10-12 HS guys and go after them. If you get a few more then that is ok, you can use them for depth and practice and they will probably transfer. Take a kid like Lo’Kavian Jackson this past year. He was a 3 star but we ID’d him as a guy we really wanted. So we went and got him. Now a couple of the guys we currently have committed in the 26 class, depth and practice guys that may transfer after a year or 2

[gtowndawg]

I disagree. 6-7 is our new ceiling unless we get really lucky

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.

[Ranchdawg]

We are not going to offer HS kids a bunch of money that we do not think they will play in Yr 1. Lebby is using the Kiffin approach. ID 10-12 HS guys and go after them. If you get a few more then that is ok, you can use them for depth and practice and they will probably transfer. Take a kid like Lo’Kavian Jackson this past year. He was a 3 star but we ID’d him as a guy we really wanted. So we went and got him. Now a couple of the guys we currently have committed in the 26 class, depth and practice guys that may transfer after a year or 2

This is what I believe will be the downfall of the have nots of power4 football. You get a marginal player either from high school or portal and you pay him marginally. Then this player pops up and starts contributing something like 2nd string. He then goes to the portal after one year and goes to the highest payer that will guarantee playing time. This happens 15-20 times on your roster and you never get a chance to develop him into a starter is impossible to build roster.

Now pay for play is legal I don’t blame the players they have only 5yrs to make as much money as possible because most will never make NFL rosters or have the ability to make that much money in that short of time.

[Bothrops]

The current model is going to end far more football careers than the ones it going make.

[RezDog7]

You're saying we spent 15 million on the 2024 football roster?

If so, we'd been better off investing in Hawk Tuah coin.

[Coach34]

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.

Yeah- we are funding at a level to stay above G5 but there is no way we will get in the top half of the SEC. We simply dont have the money.

People talking about how we gonna allocate 18MM to football in this House BS deal fail to realize that money from that 20MM is going to have to go women's sports. The law is the law. This aint gonna be a 20MM dolla men's sports grab

[TheLostDawg]

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

This is where you lose me like always. There are many doctors that may have gone to umc among many other medical schools that graduated undergrad from state. Same with law school. You do know MC has a law school that is tied into Mississippi state, I'm guessing not. This point of yours of, they have the doctors and lawyers is such bs. Also you can make just a much as both of these with much higher potential to make more without the debt doing other things. To talk about Vandy with their untapped alumni because they don't care about sports. You really think these neurosurgeons are dropping big money in football? I'm sure some are but they didn't get where they are spending time watching football. On top of that many of these doctors and lawyers pull for ole miss because they went to professional school there. That doesn't mean they are donating to nil. It just means if asked thats the school they say they will pull for when someone has sports on.


On Cap oblivious, you're such a troll. We got Mike leach so ole miss went avs for Kiffen. We could have pulled Kiffen then but his background stopped us. Yeah maybe now we wouldn't go get a coach like that but after this baseball hire, I'm not so sure we couldn't get a top coach. Maybe not pull a coach from Texas but certainly a Kiffen (if he was in a school not in the SEC/pos not b10) even now if we get our roster, money for football on track.

[StateDawg44]

Honestly, I think we are agreeing coach. I think 7 wins is attainable and once a decade the stars align and we win 9. If we do that I'll be fine considering the circumstances.

Lol this seems hopeless.

We basically fielding a team for the TV money. That's what we have to look forward to in football... cashing a check.

[TheLostDawg]

Sec has brain washed us and so has our old donors into thinking this. Well people are starting to wake up to this now that we actually have an AD that knows how to raise money, get people involved

[StateDawg44]

Well people are starting to wake up to this now that we actually have an AD that knows how to raise money, get people involved

Huh?

We aren't even sniffing the Tennessee's, Georgia's, and Texas' (and the list goes on) even if our entire fanbase "woke up".

[parabrave]

This is where you lose me like always. There are many doctors that may have gone to umc among many other medical schools that graduated undergrad from state. Same with law school. You do know MC has a law school that is tied into Mississippi state, I'm guessing not. This point of yours of, they have the doctors and lawyers is such bs. Also you can make just a much as both of these with much higher potential to make more without the debt doing other things. To talk about Vandy with their untapped alumni because they don't care about sports. You really think these neurosurgeons are dropping big money in football? I'm sure some are but they didn't get where they are spending time watching football. On top of that many of these doctors and lawyers pull for ole miss because they went to professional school there. That doesn't mean they are donating to nil. It just means if asked thats the school they say they will pull for when someone has sports on.


On Cap oblivious, you're such a troll. We got Mike leach so ole miss went avs for Kiffen. We could have pulled Kiffen then but his background stopped us. Yeah maybe now we wouldn't go get a coach like that but after this baseball hire, I'm not so sure we couldn't get a top coach. Maybe not pull a coach from Texas but certainly a Kiffen (if he was in a school not in the SEC/pos not b10) even now if we get our roster, money for football on track.n
problem is that they have a few lawyers that were involved in Multi billion dollar settlements and who do put in a tremendous amount of money to OM. Namely two, tobacco and Asbestos. Most Lawyers make good income but only a few really cash it in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

n
problem is that they have a few lawyers that were involved in Multi billion dollar settlements and who do put in a tremendous amount of money to OM. Namely two, tobacco and Asbestos. Most Lawyers make good income but only a few really cash it in.

David and Dickie cash flow A BUNCH of stuff for them. Add in Bill Jordan and Jerry Hollingsworth and you have a really solid core 4 that can give a boatload of cash.

[parabrave]

David and Dickie cash flow A BUNCH of stuff for them. Add in Bill Jordan and Jerry Hollingsworth and you have a really solid core 4 that can give a boatload of cash.

There are a couple more in Gulfport who are rabid rebs including a former FB player from the 60s who puts alot of money in.

[TrapGame]

Huh?

We aren't even sniffing the Tennessee's, Georgia's, and Texas' (and the list goes on) even if our entire fanbase "woke up".

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.

[StateDawg44]

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.

Do you not think those schools have billionaires who don't donate to sports either? Or at all?

[Dawgology]

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

This is just marketing spin from Ole Miss. I?ve worked with lawyers my entire life. Average lawyer salary in the US is $145k a year?a lot less than that in Mississippi. Most doctors just go to UMMC which is a different beast. Those guys and girls typically stay loyal to their undergraduate Alma mater and most are destitute for the first decade after medical school due to $250k -$500k in college debt. Veterinarians average $130k in the US, depending on what type of engineer average salary is $105k - $170k a year. Mississippi State has plenty of untapped funds in the alumni they just don?t prioritize it or market it at all. State has plenty of money to compete in football NIL?they just don?t want to.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do you not think those schools have billionaires who don't donate to sports either? Or at all?

They probably do but they also have billionaires that do. We do not.

[Coursesuper]

We have two billionaire alums that do not give a cent to athletics. It all goes to academics. They refuse to give to sports. Yeah, it's their money but those two alone could take us to another level in football.

There is a reason for that, there are many that haven't trusted the the leadership in the athletic department for a long time. Our own people have pushed unqualified people into critical spots to serve their own interest to the detriment of MSU and others notice this homer BS and stay away. This seems to be changing or the better now and I hope it continues.

[Saltydog]

We put out a shitload of engineers and while they have an engineering program (notice I didn't say school) anyone with any sense at all doesn't hire an OM engineer. I've worked with them. They're shit. So, engineers make more than fashion designers and business degree grads.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There is a reason for that, there are many that haven't trusted the the leadership in the athletic department for a long time. Our own people have pushed unqualified people into critical spots to serve their own interest to the detriment of MSU and others notice this homer BS and stay away. This seems to be changing or the better now and I hope it continues.

These guys are high net worth individuals. They are not going to give large amounts of money to people if they don't think those people are going to spend it effectively. And nothing about the John Cohen AD tenure could be considered effective, outside of hiring Chris Jans.

[Thick]

Smart said earlier at the SEC meetings (I guess), that if this continues, that schools are going to be forced to discontinue other athletic programs. I think he?s correct too, bc football is the king of revenue. Let?s say that?s true, big schools have more sports to provide bc of their size. We don?t have swimming, diving, gymnastics, equestrian sports to cut, but they do. I believe when this starts happening is when the revolt will begin to the NCAA. We cannot compete, we can only survive in football.

[Santiago]

These guys are high net worth individuals. They are not going to give large amounts of money to people if they don't think those people are going to spend it effectively. And nothing about the John Cohen AD tenure could be considered effective, outside of hiring Chris Jans.

The hire of Cohen immediately turned me off from any support of MSU athletics. The most asinine hire and group think.
For the first time , with Selmon especially running it, I have confidence to donate and that we have someone outside the box run it.

[Santiago]

Yeah- we are funding at a level to stay above G5 but there is no way we will get in the top half of the SEC. We simply dont have the money.

People talking about how we gonna allocate 18MM to football in this House BS deal fail to realize that money from that 20MM is going to have to go women's sports. The law is the law. This aint gonna be a 20MM dolla men's sports grab

We need some Sicilians running that payroll ***

[Santiago]

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

MSU has a higher acceptance rate into medical school than Ole Miss undergrad. And that needs to be said loudly and more often in the state of MS for prospective students. I recently had to tell younger extended family members about this because I heard them say "if you go into medical you go to ole miss".
We need to start loudly correcting the old notion.

Average Graduate of MSU makes more than the average Ole Miss grad.

Over 30,000 more living alumni than ole miss.

Top five careers that have millionaires includes teachers and engineers....the thing is that is over decades of saving v. instant cash so we have more prudent people and want to see our money go to something useful.
Maybe that is also why we are not a cult about football to the degree of ole miss also. We have lives and other priorities, like making money and enjoying family
It is their religion.

[DawgFromOxford]

Seems like it?s almost better off to run the program like a JUCO considering our pecking order and budget constraints. Pay good money for a couple of key difference makers on both sides of the ball. Everyone else you understand is going to be gone in a year or 2. Prove you can get guys placed and paid after a year or so in the program and I believe you?d have good talent that got overlooked or is trying to move up

[Cowbell]

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

[StateDawg44]

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

Yeah I get it pays the bills but damn that really just leaves nothing to look forward to in the sport other than your random upset here and there maybe.

[DawgFromOxford]

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

[parabrave]

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

Basically this. Be like Kentucky be mediocre in FB with the 7-9 win year, and the occasional 10+ season and be famous for Basketball. MSU and other schools even MIssouri should concentrate on Basketball and Baseball. Let OM., Arkry, Aubbie and SC waste their resources banging their head with the TX Schools and BAMA.

[CaptainObvious]

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else
And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

[parabrave]

And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

And then he will finally get the program built to where he can win 10-11 games become Number 1 in the nation hell even beat LSU then leave and go to Florida.

[DawgFromOxford]

And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

I don't fault anyone for not wanting throw their money down the drain that is NIL/college athletics, but unfortunately its the current state of affairs. Either play the game to at least be at the tail end of the lead pack or get left behind.

We just hired a phenomenal baseball coach from a top program, because we were willing to fund what they weren't. Having SEC money helped make that happen.

[maroonmania]

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

[Coach34]

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

Yes- football is a lost cause

Our new role is to win 2 conference games and make a bowl game.

[TheLostDawg]

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

Or they'd just all pull for a few teams. Kind of like the Yankees back when

[gtowndawg]

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

Exactly. Plus, to state what I assume is really obvious, winning 6-7 games beats the heck out of winning TWO games.

[StarkVegasSteve]

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

The problem is that it is going to take one of the big boys(Bama,tOSU,LSU,UGA,etc) to stand up and say, “Hey guys, this crap is stupid. Like what the hell are we doing here?” for the wheels of change to begin to turn. As long as the Mississippi State and Kentucky’s of the CFB world are the ones saying it then nothing will change. But the cliff is coming, and it is coming quick.

[gtowndawg]

Yes- football is a lost cause

Our new role is to win 2 conference games and make a bowl game.

Guys, we averaged 3.5 conference wins a season over the last 30 years and that was during the golden era of Miss. State football. I'm telling you, with good coaching we're basically in the same boat. We can get good enough players to hold serve, but we need good coaching and I just don't think we have that right now (top to bottom).

[parabrave]

The problem is that it is going to take one of the big boys(Bama,tOSU,LSU,UGA,etc) to stand up and say, “Hey guys, this crap is stupid. Like what the hell are we doing here?” for the wheels of change to begin to turn. As long as the Mississippi State and Kentucky’s of the CFB world are the ones saying it then nothing will change. But the cliff is coming, and it is coming quick.

Saban tried and he said F it.