Let's Build some Baseball condos

[Santiago]

We will break insane attendance records soon.

I do wish we can somehow one day, included the condo attendance and upper deck as part of the attendance numbers.

[gtowndawg]

I'm sorry to be that guy, I'm excited for O'Conner, but please for the love of God let's not spend a bunch of money on baseball when we are so behind in football.

[CaptainObvious]

I'm sorry to be that guy, I'm excited for O'Conner, but please for the love of God let's not spend a bunch of money on baseball when we are so behind in football.

You are THAT guy. We could spend and extra $15 million per year on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC. We could spend an extra $4 mil per year on baseball players and be in the Top 1/3 of the league. We could spend an extra $5 mil per year on basketball and stay in the Top 1/3 of the league.

Football 105 scholarships plus NIL
Baseball 35 scholarships plus NIL
Basketball 15 scholarships plus NIL

[Pancho]

this^^^^^^

[Bert Stare]

The original condos were built for around 8 million (pre covid price increases). A new set will probably be north of $10 million now. They will likely wait until the original set is fully paid off from lease payments and roof rentals before leveraging more. The original design did allow room for another set of condos from just outside the left field foul pole meeting the other set so they can share a stairway/egress in the middle.

they would also need to plan to do this in one off season (7-8 months). They could pre-order steel and long lead items to make it work. Gonna need a good steel erector and brick mason for that schedule. I hope it happens soon.

[Pancho]

I know plenty brick layers.

[Santiago]

I'm sorry to be that guy, I'm excited for O'Conner, but please for the love of God let's not spend a bunch of money on baseball when we are so behind in football.

Don't we rent them out for football weekends? and basketball?
I was thinking more of a profit center , but with the high of the baseball expectations driving up pricing.

[Pancho]

annual lease

[Pinto]

The footings and plumbing are already in the ground for the second set (for once someone had foresight). So only upward erection is needed for the second set.

[Bert Stare]

The footings and plumbing are already in the ground for the second set (for once someone had foresight). So only upward erection is needed for the second set.

correct on the footings. I know site fire lines were pre-planned, but I cant remember on the sanitary sewer but it can't be that far to tap in regardless.

[Travelingdawg]

I know plenty brick layers.

LOL Well played.

[gtowndawg]

You are THAT guy. We could spend and extra $15 million per year on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC. We could spend an extra $4 mil per year on baseball players and be in the Top 1/3 of the league. We could spend an extra $5 mil per year on basketball and stay in the Top 1/3 of the league.

Football 105 scholarships plus NIL
Baseball 35 scholarships plus NIL
Basketball 15 scholarships plus NIL

Look, I know you guys love baseball and get emotional aboout it. I have no problem with that, I hope we do good to. But I also believe in making rational, well thought out decisions that benefit the entire university and athletic department, not a niche sport (compared to football and basketball). If more condos produce net revenue that can be used to supplement football and basketball by all means, let's do it. But I highly doubt that is the case.

Selmon seems to be pretty discerning when it comes to revenue matters, so I'll yield to his decisions.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Look, I know you guys love baseball and get emotional aboout it. I have no problem with that, I hope we do good to. But I also believe in making rational, well thought out decisions that benefit the entire university and athletic department, not a niche sport (compared to football and basketball). If more condos produce net revenue that can be used to supplement football and basketball by all means, let's do it. But I highly doubt that is the case.

Selmon seems to be pretty discerning when it comes to revenue matters, so I'll yield to his decisions.

Trust me. Selmon cares more about football and men’s basketball. He understand how important baseball is here but he will never lose sight of the bigger picture. And that is that football and men’s basketball pay the bills of everything else on campus.

[Santiago]

Trust me. Selmon cares more about football and men?s basketball. He understand how important baseball is here but he will never lose sight of the bigger picture. And that is that football and men?s basketball pay the bills of everything else on campus.

Also, and has been mentioned here already, baseball is big for the local economy in the spring than other SEC towns.

[Cooterpoot]

You are THAT guy. We could spend and extra $15 million per year on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC. We could spend an extra $4 mil per year on baseball players and be in the Top 1/3 of the league. We could spend an extra $5 mil per year on basketball and stay in the Top 1/3 of the league.

Football 105 scholarships plus NIL
Baseball 35 scholarships plus NIL
Basketball 15 scholarships plus NIL

And if you don't, you could be in CUSA in a few years. This hire is perfect timing as much as anything. No more lying Lemonis here to claim we got no money too.

[CaptainObvious]

Look, I know you guys love baseball and get emotional aboout it. I have no problem with that, I hope we do good to. But I also believe in making rational, well thought out decisions that benefit the entire university and athletic department, not a niche sport (compared to football and basketball). If more condos produce net revenue that can be used to supplement football and basketball by all means, let's do it. But I highly doubt that is the case.

Selmon seems to be pretty discerning when it comes to revenue matters, so I'll yield to his decisions.

So you skipped right over the part where I mentioned you could spend $15 million extra on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the conference. You did not see me say "don't spend on football". So sure. You baseball is a niche (whatever that is in the sports world) sport guys can wave your magic wand and poof, all athletics spending goes to football and we will STILL go 5-7 to 8-4 tops in this conference and still have some 4-8 years sprinkled in. If Football is your main and only focus, Tuscaloosa is about 85 miles >>> that way! Most of us would whether have a more well rounded athletics program and target the areas State can be more successful! Historically, that has been Baseball, Tennis and Women's Golf. Of those 3 I'd rather spend on Baseball.

But if you go back to my point, I actually gave more expenditures to Basketball.

Football 105 Scholarships -$15 million extra to go 5-7 or 8-4 and making a bowl game 3 out of every 4 to 5 years.
Basketball 15 scholarships -$5 million extra to go to NCAA 3 out of every 5 years and the NIT or CBI the other 2.
Baseball 35 scholarships - $4 million extra to go to a Regional EVERY Year, Host a regional 3 out of every 5 years, make it to Omaha 3 to 4 times per 10 years.

[Pancho]

So you skipped right over the part where I mentioned you could spend $15 million extra on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the conference. You did not see me say "don't spend on football". So sure. You baseball is a niche (whatever that is in the sports world) sport guys can wave your magic wand and poof, all athletics spending goes to football and we will STILL go 5-7 to 8-4 tops in this conference and still have some 4-8 years sprinkled in. If Football is your main and only focus, Tuscaloosa is about 85 miles >>> that way! Most of us would whether have a more well rounded athletics program and target the areas State can be more successful! Historically, that has been Baseball, Tennis and Women's Golf. Of those 3 I'd rather spend on Baseball.

But if you go back to my point, I actually gave more expenditures to Basketball.

Football 105 Scholarships -$15 million extra to go 5-7 or 8-4 and making a bowl game 3 out of every 4 to 5 years.
Basketball 15 scholarships -$5 million extra to go to NCAA 3 out of every 5 years and the NIT or CBI the other 2.
Baseball 35 scholarships - $4 million extra to go to a Regional EVERY Year, Host a regional 3 out of every 5 years, make it to Omaha 3 to 4 times per 10 years.

maybe some start to follow along

[BrunswickDawg]

So you skipped right over the part where I mentioned you could spend $15 million extra on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the conference. You did not see me say "don't spend on football". So sure. You baseball is a niche (whatever that is in the sports world) sport guys can wave your magic wand and poof, all athletics spending goes to football and we will STILL go 5-7 to 8-4 tops in this conference and still have some 4-8 years sprinkled in. If Football is your main and only focus, Tuscaloosa is about 85 miles >>> that way! Most of us would whether have a more well rounded athletics program and target the areas State can be more successful! Historically, that has been Baseball, Tennis and Women's Golf. Of those 3 I'd rather spend on Baseball.

But if you go back to my point, I actually gave more expenditures to Basketball.

Football 105 Scholarships -$15 million extra to go 5-7 or 8-4 and making a bowl game 3 out of every 4 to 5 years.
Basketball 15 scholarships -$5 million extra to go to NCAA 3 out of every 5 years and the NIT or CBI the other 2.
Baseball 35 scholarships - $4 million extra to go to a Regional EVERY Year, Host a regional 3 out of every 5 years, make it to Omaha 3 to 4 times per 10 years.

The crazy part is we could add $25m to the $35m we spent last year and still be in the bottom half of the SEC in football spending.

[Cooterpoot]

So you skipped right over the part where I mentioned you could spend $15 million extra on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the conference. You did not see me say "don't spend on football". So sure. You baseball is a niche (whatever that is in the sports world) sport guys can wave your magic wand and poof, all athletics spending goes to football and we will STILL go 5-7 to 8-4 tops in this conference and still have some 4-8 years sprinkled in. If Football is your main and only focus, Tuscaloosa is about 85 miles >>> that way! Most of us would whether have a more well rounded athletics program and target the areas State can be more successful! Historically, that has been Baseball, Tennis and Women's Golf. Of those 3 I'd rather spend on Baseball.

But if you go back to my point, I actually gave more expenditures to Basketball.

Football 105 Scholarships -$15 million extra to go 5-7 or 8-4 and making a bowl game 3 out of every 4 to 5 years.
Basketball 15 scholarships -$5 million extra to go to NCAA 3 out of every 5 years and the NIT or CBI the other 2.
Baseball 35 scholarships - $4 million extra to go to a Regional EVERY Year, Host a regional 3 out of every 5 years, make it to Omaha 3 to 4 times per 10 years.

You'd be wrong about that part too. Add $15MM to the about $10 MM we spend in NIL and you're at $25MM. That gets you serious talent. OM didn't touch that number and got good talent. Plus, you cannot build your athletics around baseball. We aren't throwing a bunch of extra money at baseball, this buyout was cheap and we've always had the money on that side. Just a bunch of dumb 17s defending mediocrity in baseball to protect fat boy access.

[Pancho]

who you calling fat, phat boy?

[CaptainObvious]

You'd be wrong about that part too. Add $15MM to the about $10 MM we spend in NIL and you're at $25MM. That gets you serious talent. OM didn't touch that number and got good talent. Plus, you cannot build your athletics around baseball. We aren't throwing a bunch of extra money at baseball, this buyout was cheap and we've always had the money on that side. Just a bunch of dumb 17s defending mediocrity in baseball to protect fat boy access.

No way in hell we can spend an EXTRA $15 million on Football NIL. I'm talking about adding $15 million to the entire "current" expenditures. As Brunswick said, State would still be near or at the bottom of the SEC economy. You want to see Donors disappear? Treat Baseball like an Olympic "so-called" Niche sport. You will lose millions in donations to the athletics department trying to reach up from #16 in football to #13 in football. That would definitely send us to CUSA quicker than the current schedule we are on.

[KOdawg1]

Build another condo building and raise the price of season tickets for everyone. Some will get priced out, but that's just the cost of doing business these days. As hot as Mississippi State baseball is, it's only going to get hotter, and there are plenty of people that will be willing to take someone's tickets if they feel the price is too high.

Baseball can be a true revenue sport here but we've got to raise the prices on some stuff.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Build another condo building and raise the price of season tickets for everyone. Some will get priced out, but that's just the cost of doing business these days. As hot as Mississippi State baseball is, it's only going to get hotter, and there are plenty of people that will be willing to take someone's tickets if they feel the price is too high.

Baseball can be a true revenue sport here but we've got to raise the prices on some stuff.

We will not raise prices until the original seat licenses expire. That was the deal and it will be honored. Now once those expire, some in 28 but most in 29, then the ticket prices will probably triple or quadruple.

[cheewgumm]

What about some type of small expansion?

We could get 15k every weekend game, with big ones bringing 20k plus.

What are the possibilities there?

Because when we start winning the demand will be there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What about some type of small expansion?

We could get 15k every weekend game, with big ones bringing 20k plus.

What are the possibilities there?

Because when we start winning the demand will be there.

Any potential expansion to DNF will be 8-10 years away. Football is getting the first priority and that will be a very large project. We have to renovate the club level on the East Side. We want to build an additional club level on the West Side. We have to figure out what we want to do with the Seal Building as well. That's easily an 80-100 million dollar project all said and done.

[Coursesuper]

Any potential expansion to DNF will be 8-10 years away. Football is getting the first priority and that will be a very large project. We have to renovate the club level on the East Side. We want to build an additional club level on the West Side. We have to figure out what we want to do with the Seal Building as well. That's easily an 80-100 million dollar project all said and done.

This, Baseball is a long way off from seeing anything like what they are wanting.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This, Baseball is a long way off from seeing anything like what they are wanting.

I mean if a baseball booster wants to cut a 50-60 million dollar check then we'll move it up but unless it's FULLY privately funded then baseball is at the back of the line in terms of renovations.

[Coursesuper]

I mean if a baseball booster wants to cut a 50-60 million dollar check then we'll move it up but unless it's FULLY privately funded then baseball is at the back of the line in terms of renovations.

Hang on let me grab my checkbook.

[cheewgumm]

Understandable .

[Homedawg]

The original condos were built for around 8 million (pre covid price increases). A new set will probably be north of $10 million now. They will likely wait until the original set is fully paid off from lease payments and roof rentals before leveraging more. The original design did allow room for another set of condos from just outside the left field foul pole meeting the other set so they can share a stairway/egress in the middle.

they would also need to plan to do this in one off season (7-8 months). They could pre-order steel and long lead items to make it work. Gonna need a good steel erector and brick mason for that schedule. I hope it happens soon.
Original set is supposed to be paid off this year.

[Homedawg]

Look, I know you guys love baseball and get emotional aboout it. I have no problem with that, I hope we do good to. But I also believe in making rational, well thought out decisions that benefit the entire university and athletic department, not a niche sport (compared to football and basketball). If more condos produce net revenue that can be used to supplement football and basketball by all means, let's do it. But I highly doubt that is the case.

Selmon seems to be pretty discerning when it comes to revenue matters, so I'll yield to his decisions.

The first set is about to be pure profit. Should build more. That's a quick turn on profit. Nowhere else can you make one that fast from building a facility or adding to it.

[Homedawg]

What about some type of small expansion?

We could get 15k every weekend game, with big ones bringing 20k plus.

What are the possibilities there?

Because when we start winning the demand will be there.

Small expansion will cost a ton. And any expansion is going to people that buy the seats. All the ga people hoping for chairbacks for them are wishing for Santa to come through. Something has to pay for it. Baseball expansion is way way way down the list. And that includes more lofts. Which is build the lofts bc of their quick profit. But I'm not in charge

[Homedawg]

I mean if a baseball booster wants to cut a 50-60 million dollar check then we'll move it up but unless it's FULLY privately funded then baseball is at the back of the line in terms of renovations.

This

[trob115]

Next set of condos will be erected summer of 27'.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Next set of condos will be erected summer of 27'.

I had heard 28 or 29, but we may have moved that timeline up. We already have the space cleared for them and like Homedawg said, they're quick profit because they'll be leased immediately.

[3dawgnight15]

Saw some variance of the word erection more times this morning than I thought I would??

[Jarius]

You are THAT guy. We could spend and extra $15 million per year on Football and still be in the bottom 1/3 of the SEC. We could spend an extra $4 mil per year on baseball players and be in the Top 1/3 of the league. We could spend an extra $5 mil per year on basketball and stay in the Top 1/3 of the league.

Football 105 scholarships plus NIL
Baseball 35 scholarships plus NIL
Basketball 15 scholarships plus NIL

I'm all for us getting BOC and being really good at baseball, but football should always be the main focus at every university in this conference. It's weird that it even has to be said to this fanbase. Not a little bit weird. Like extremely weird. Football HAS to be fixed or we are going to end up in the Sunbelt. That's not fear mongering. If you want to enjoy your palace of a baseball stadium with home series every week against Arkansas State and USM, then continue to treat football like it's baseball's little brother and see where that gets us. We could win the baseball national championship 100 years in a row and if football is going 2-10 every year we are going to get relegated eventually. Even if you don't give a sh*t about football, you better treat it right or it will take everything else down with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm all for us getting BOC and being really good at baseball, but football should always be the main focus at every university in this conference. It's weird that it even has to be said to this fanbase. Not a little bit weird. Like extremely weird. Football HAS to be fixed or we are going to end up in the Sunbelt. That's not fear mongering. If you want to enjoy your palace of a baseball stadium with home series every week against Arkansas State and USM, then continue to treat football like it's baseball's little brother and see where that gets us. We could win the baseball national championship 100 years in a row and if football is going 2-10 every year we are going to get relegated eventually. Even if you don't give a sh*t about football, you better treat it right or it will take everything else down with it.

This times 1000. It's great to be good at baseball and it's really fun, we have the Grove of Baseball. But it pales in comparison to being good at football. The revenue generated by being EVEN AVERAGE, like 7-5, in football trumps a national championship season in baseball. And like Jarius said, if you want to keep having these incredible atmospheres for baseball and keep attracting top talent, then football has to be THE PRIORITY. Luckily for us, we have an AD that implicitly understands that.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm all for us getting BOC and being really good at baseball, but football should always be the main focus at every university in this conference. It's weird that it even has to be said to this fanbase. Not a little bit weird. Like extremely weird. Football HAS to be fixed or we are going to end up in the Sunbelt. That's not fear mongering. If you want to enjoy your palace of a baseball stadium with home series every week against Arkansas State and USM, then continue to treat football like it's baseball's little brother and see where that gets us. We could win the baseball national championship 100 years in a row and if football is going 2-10 every year we are going to get relegated eventually. Even if you don't give a sh*t about football, you better treat it right or it will take everything else down with it.

You can't talk sense with fools. These baseball only whackos can't look and see USM and realize that's what they want.

[Coursesuper]

This times 1000. It's great to be good at baseball and it's really fun, we have the Grove of Baseball. But it pales in comparison to being good at football. The revenue generated by being EVEN AVERAGE, like 7-5, in football trumps a national championship season in baseball. And like Jarius said, if you want to keep having these incredible atmospheres for baseball and keep attracting top talent, then football has to be THE PRIORITY. Luckily for us, we have an AD that implicitly understands that.

This is why it's so important to get the baseball alums more involved than ever. They are beginning to come back and help baseball and we see what is happening there, basketball is taken care of by two boosters, we need every other penny to stay at least relevant on the football field.

[Pancho]

You can't talk sense with fools. These baseball only whackos can't look and see USM and realize that's what they want.

sounds like we are good with selmon then and not someone as yourself

[confucius say]

I'm all for us getting BOC and being really good at baseball, but football should always be the main focus at every university in this conference. It's weird that it even has to be said to this fanbase. Not a little bit weird. Like extremely weird. Football HAS to be fixed or we are going to end up in the Sunbelt. That's not fear mongering. If you want to enjoy your palace of a baseball stadium with home series every week against Arkansas State and USM, then continue to treat football like it's baseball's little brother and see where that gets us. We could win the baseball national championship 100 years in a row and if football is going 2-10 every year we are going to get relegated eventually. Even if you don't give a sh*t about football, you better treat it right or it will take everything else down with it.

It already is. We spend way more on football than everything else. And 75% of our rev share is going to football. Maybe more.

[MoreCowbell]

You'd be wrong about that part too. Add $15MM to the about $10 MM we spend in NIL and you're at $25MM. That gets you serious talent. OM didn't touch that number and got good talent. Plus, you cannot build your athletics around baseball. We aren't throwing a bunch of extra money at baseball, this buyout was cheap and we've always had the money on that side. Just a bunch of dumb 17s defending mediocrity in baseball to protect fat boy access.

Unfortunately for us, what costs AL, UGA, LSU, OM 100, costs us 150. Not only do we have less money but we also have to overpay if we want the same thing and even doing that does not work most of the time. The uphill battle we face with NIL is much steeper than many want to believe.

Just to be clear, I am not a give it all to other sports poster but we have to be realistic. We are what we are in football and unfortunately that will not change. We need to spend on football the minimum amount it takes to keep fan interest and to turn a profit. Football will never be a source of true competitiveness for fans so we should do only what is necessary to remain necessary to the SEC.

Basketball and Baseball are the only sports where we as fans have a chance to feel hopeful and actually be competitive and achieve something.

So I would spend on football only what is necessary to maintain any form of respectability and then the rest on Basketball and Baseball because as a fan I would rather have a chance at something special in 2 sports and have 2 sports seasons to look forward to than have no hope of accomplishing anything across the board.

[Jarius]

It already is. We spend way more on football than everything else. And 75% of our rev share is going to football. Maybe more.

I’m not saying we aren’t doing what we should be doing as far as money to football from the school. I’m saying the people that want to just forget about it (fans) and focus on things we have a higher chance to compete in are not thinking logically.

[MoreCowbell]

I?m not saying we aren?t doing what we should be doing as far as money to football from the school. I?m saying the people that want to just forget about it (fans) and focus on things we have a higher chance to compete in are not thinking logically.

I argue that allocating extra resources towards the sports we have a chance in is logical. Football is going to turn a profit and be the engine regardless. You spend on football what you need to but must be realistic in that we really have no chance to achieve anything special in that sport. If football is a car just buy a decent reliable one without all the extras because it will make no difference next to the Bugatti and Lambo.

[Jarius]

I argue that allocating extra resources towards the sports we have a chance in is logical. Football is going to turn a profit and be the engine regardless. You spend on football what you need to but must be realistic in that we really have no chance to achieve anything special in that sport. If football is a car just buy a decent reliable one without all the extras because it will make no difference next to the Bugatti and Lambo.

The problem with this is that we have to go above and beyond with our budget and football just to be an old reliable car. If we cut corners at all there we will go 3-9 every year. Selmon is not doing some small things correct but he is the best fundraiser we have ever had and that is helping us majorly with football (and all sports) right now. He (and us) really need Lebby to be a decent head coach. Cohen was awful at a large part of his job but hiring someone like Leach that can do more with less is how we have to manage football and that is the box we have to be thinking in for that sport IMO.

[cheewgumm]

I think last years football results really skewed reality for people on football as it coincided with NIL getting going so the perception that NIL turned us into a 3-9 team.

I don?t see it that way.

Crappy recruiting and getting past Leach?s style did that.

We will probably win 6 this year.

The thinking that we have to spend every penny just to get to 5 wins is incorrect IMO.

Also, if you want to be great in baseball it doesn?t mean you are saying abandon football.

[SpaceBully]

Build the new one at least 10 stories or taller!

[TheLostDawg]

Or let's expand regular seats, sell them at cost as all the people with discounted seats right now, they are going to be looking for seats when the true value comes out in a few years (they're steal of a cost is gone and they can't keep ripping people off each game they don't go to)