If what I'm hearing is true... [Archive]

CaptainObvious

05-01-2025, 08:56 PM

**** no. Texas has a $30MM NIL in football. Our football program is done

This! We are who we are in football! There is NO worries from anyone in the SEC that Mississippi State has the backers to play football at a championship level! Find a way to average 6 wins a year with an occasional 8 win season. Spend as needed to maintain. Charge the Storm for Basketball Baseball, 2 sports we can and have been near or at the Top!

BravesDoggy

05-01-2025, 09:00 PM

**** no. Texas has a $30MM NIL in football. Our football program is done

They are also a baseball school that is currently kicking our ass. Yet nobody in the country gives a rip about that. So what’s the point of being a “pro” team in a sport that doesn’t get any eyeballs?

DownwardDawg

05-01-2025, 09:03 PM

This! We are who we are in football! There is NO worries from anyone in the SEC that Mississippi State has the backers to play football at a championship level! Find a way to average 6 wins a year with an occasional 8 win season. Spend as needed to maintain. Charge the Storm for Basketball Baseball, 2 sports we can and have been near or at the Top!

Yep. Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

KOdawg1

05-01-2025, 09:11 PM

Adkerson bringing out the check book from what I understand.

If O'Conner tells us no, he'll be turning down not only a shit ton of money, but a locked and loaded network set up for him.

Coach34

05-01-2025, 09:15 PM

We are bringing pros in not just college guys

Coldsleeve Jr.

05-01-2025, 09:25 PM

Forward thinking is only as good as its execution.

DownwardDawg

05-01-2025, 10:28 PM

Forward thinking is only as good as its execution.

Gotta have the thinking first though. At least it "sounds like" we have the right mindset. Finally.....

Todd4State

05-02-2025, 12:23 AM

They are also a baseball school that is currently kicking our ass. Yet nobody in the country gives a rip about that. So what’s the point of being a “pro” team in a sport that doesn’t get any eyeballs?

Because any exposure for MSU is good. We're not doing this at the expense of football and basketball.

Quaoarsking

05-02-2025, 12:25 AM

They are also a baseball school that is currently kicking our ass. Yet nobody in the country gives a rip about that. So what’s the point of being a “pro” team in a sport that doesn’t get any eyeballs?

Sooner or later the Big 10 is going to decide it wants to be the best baseball conference and college baseball will explode in popularity.

Todd4State

05-02-2025, 12:27 AM

Lemonis actually tried to have a pro mentality with our program- he just thought that meant being hands off. And it blew up in his face.

I'm fine being "pro style". My personal style of offense is a style with power and speed with aggressiveness in the form of hit and runs, squeeze plays, and etc. Similar to LaRussa. Pitching and defense play up in baseball no matter the level.

But we need to still integrate tough, hard nosed Tanner Allen/Jake Mangum style baseball with the "pro" stuff.

Todd4State

05-02-2025, 12:29 AM

Sooner or later the Big 10 is going to decide it wants to be the best baseball conference and college baseball will explode in popularity.

That's going to be a tough sell to their fans. Some of the bigger Big 10 schools like Michigan, Ohio State, USC, and etc. are going to have the same problem that Georgia and Florida have in the SEC and for the same reasons.

If you're in LA right now and you want to watch a baseball game- do you want to watch USC or do you want to watch the Dodger or Angels? That's a no brainer.

bulldogcountry1

05-02-2025, 05:16 AM

What, exactly, is pro style?

Wouldn?t the new coach determine which style or philosophy?

sandjunky

05-02-2025, 05:36 AM

What, exactly, is pro style?

Wouldn?t the new coach determine which style or philosophy?

I think they are talking about organizational structure of program not actual play on the field

parabrave

05-02-2025, 05:44 AM

I think they are talking about organizational structure of program not actual play on the field

like a general manager and scouting dept. Let the coaching staff worry about the field product and billy beane worry about getting the best players that we can afford.

Coursesuper

05-02-2025, 06:58 AM

I think they are talking about organizational structure of program not actual play on the field

We have untapped resources that due to whatever reasons have never been used. These resources are a wealth of talent and experience at our disposal that if properly motivated can change the program to better handle todays collegiate landscape and change the program to compete for the long term.

Dawgface

05-02-2025, 07:09 AM

**** no. Texas has a $30MM NIL in football. Our football program is done

I read somewhere it’s more like $35-40 mil. Yes we are done. A 6-6 record will feel like a NC for us.

Pancho

05-02-2025, 07:11 AM

That is a good reason to hang onto Lebby as long as possible and make him feel appreciated if he can get us to averaging close to 7 wins a year.

PGHBulldogBG

05-02-2025, 07:28 AM

The only thing that gives me small hope about football is that Ole Miss is competing. They clearly have a great coach which we will need. Whether or not that?s Lebby or not is TBD, but is there any reason we couldn?t do the same thing if we got a coach on Kiffin level. I mean I don?t know if Kiffin can get them to the playoff or not if he couldn?t last year but if we get a coach his level we should still be able to win 8 or 9 games most years. Their NIL is better right now but I think ours would still pick up if we started having some 6 or 7 win seasons instead of 2

Pancho

05-02-2025, 07:32 AM

I agree but lets shoot for the 6 or 7 wins first. Lebby is an excellent football mind and just needs a team full of players and good depth.

Cooterpoot

05-02-2025, 08:07 AM

Commercecomet24

05-02-2025, 09:03 AM

We really are trying to become a Top 5 program moving forward with forward thinking. More of a pro mentality. Pro set up.

With NIL/Portal- go ahead and take the pro approach.

I've heard inklings of this as well.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 09:10 AM

I believe we'll 100% hire a sitting HC at a P4 program. Kendall seems to think with the settlement stuff shaking out coaches will be on the move. One rumor would make folks run naked down Montgomery with joy but I've got my doubts about that one.

There are some big names linked to this one early. I have heard 3 national championship coaches mentioned and a handful of guys who've taken teams to Omaha.

Coursesuper

05-02-2025, 09:11 AM

I've heard inklings of this as well.

Something is up, I have no idea who or how but there is something moving from that direction.

Coach34

05-02-2025, 09:13 AM

There are some big names linked to this one early. I have heard 3 national championship coaches mentioned and a handful of guys who've taken teams to Omaha.

I'm more excited as to the structure we seem to be wanting to put in place.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 09:14 AM

Something is up, I have no idea who or how but there is something moving from that direction.

It's called we finally got our ish together and realized we're actually not Poor Ole State and have big time money. Selmon is actually accessing it becuase he cares about being an Athletic Director. I still don't know what Cohen cared about.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 09:15 AM

I'm more excited as to the structure we seem to be wanting to put in place.

The sad thing is that we should've had this structure put in place from the moment the plane from Omaha touched down in 2021. We had the damn former baseball coach as the AD. He should've already had a GM in place and be ready to roll. Should've been working the portal while we were still in Omaha. Instead he and his crony Lee Van Horn were going to start peddling signed baseballs and each player would get a WHOLE $400!!!!!

Tater

05-02-2025, 09:53 AM

Oh man this totally doesn't feel like 2018.

Hot Rock

05-02-2025, 10:14 AM

Sooner or later the Big 10 is going to decide it wants to be the best baseball conference and college baseball will explode in popularity.

Hmmm, spring baseball in the North? Don't think so..

Quaoarsking

05-02-2025, 10:21 AM

That's going to be a tough sell to their fans. Some of the bigger Big 10 schools like Michigan, Ohio State, USC, and etc. are going to have the same problem that Georgia and Florida have in the SEC and for the same reasons.

If you're in LA right now and you want to watch a baseball game- do you want to watch USC or do you want to watch the Dodger or Angels? That's a no brainer.

Big 10 territory is also full of NFL, NBA, MLS, and NHL teams, and that doesn't stop the Big 10 from being the #1 or #2 conference in all of those sports.

If the boosters will fund it, the Big 10 could become the #2 baseball conference very quickly.

Hot Rock

05-02-2025, 10:23 AM

I'm more excited as to the structure we seem to be wanting to put in place.

Question here, not a statement. Am I thinking about this correctly?

Was this not the appeal of Bill Belichick to NC. It's not that he can or even will be coaching for a while, it's the structural aspect of how the program is ran. The transfer portal and NIL is not what a HC needs to be great at, he needs to be a coach and have input on talent but the hours it takes to make the portal and NIL work takes away from coaching. You need your coach being a coach while the workings of acquiring talent is not his main focus. That is up to a group solely dedicated to doing that.

We have always and so has every other college football program always had an eye on is he a great recruiter or great coach or some combination of both. Pros... only think how good a coach he can be but with a say on the talent that is acquired.

I am not informed, but is this the line of thinking of the Structured like Pro teams.

Hot Rock

05-02-2025, 10:28 AM

Big 10 territory is also full of NFL, NBA, MLS, and NHL teams, and that doesn't stop the Big 10 from being the #1 or #2 conference in all of those sports.

If the boosters will fund it, the Big 10 could become the #2 baseball conference very quickly.

and I do not think so... it's still freezing temps during baseball season up there. You ever felt the winds coming off those great lakes in March and April? Baseball is a summer sport, in college, it's played in the spring so teams from the south and out west will always have an advantage. The teams out west? They got Pro sports and less care about college. Even the mighty USC struggles at times with Football attendance and such.

Now, they can dominate Football and basketball if they chose.

Coursesuper

05-02-2025, 10:49 AM

Question here, not a statement. Am I thinking about this correctly?

Was this not the appeal of Bill Belichick to NC. It's not that he can or even will be coaching for a while, it's the structural aspect of how the program is ran. The transfer portal and NIL is not what a HC needs to be great at, he needs to be a coach and have input on talent but the hours it takes to make the portal and NIL work takes away from coaching. You need your coach being a coach while the workings of acquiring talent is not his main focus. That is up to a group solely dedicated to doing that.

We have always and so has every other college football program always had an eye on is he a great recruiter or great coach or some combination of both. Pros... only think how good a coach he can be but with a say on the talent that is acquired.

I am not informed, but is this the line of thinking of the Structured like Pro teams.

I feel like that is how the game is evolving for sure. Roster management is going to be its own entity, but how that works in college will be a different animal for sure.

3dawgnight15

05-02-2025, 10:52 AM

Whether this rumor is true or not remains to be seen but it feels like a little momentum may be brewing. Rumors like this swirling up to an appropriate hire could mean a huge portal/recruiting jump for the 25-26 season. Just have to keep it all moving that direction.

Commercecomet24

05-02-2025, 11:12 AM

Something is up, I have no idea who or how but there is something moving from that direction.

Yeah, cautiously optimistic that we're putting something together that will be new innovative and with a structure, that as C34 said is more mlb ish.

Commercecomet24

05-02-2025, 11:18 AM

Question here, not a statement. Am I thinking about this correctly?

Was this not the appeal of Bill Belichick to NC. It's not that he can or even will be coaching for a while, it's the structural aspect of how the program is ran. The transfer portal and NIL is not what a HC needs to be great at, he needs to be a coach and have input on talent but the hours it takes to make the portal and NIL work takes away from coaching. You need your coach being a coach while the workings of acquiring talent is not his main focus. That is up to a group solely dedicated to doing that.

We have always and so has every other college football program always had an eye on is he a great recruiter or great coach or some combination of both. Pros... only think how good a coach he can be but with a say on the talent that is acquired.

I am not informed, but is this the line of thinking of the Structured like Pro teams.

Bingo! College sports are now a professional sport. As such they're going to have be managed like a professional sport now.

Santiago

05-02-2025, 12:29 PM

If we become top 5, seriously we will need more seats or stadium capacity.

cheewgumm

05-02-2025, 12:42 PM

If we become top 5, seriously we will need more seats or stadium capacity.

IMO

We should be pushing for 15k / game on SEC weekends, with ~ 17k - 18K on great days.

Pushing for 20K in time.

Pancho

05-02-2025, 12:43 PM

win a natty again and go back to the last dude renovation rendering complete with more lofts

Coursesuper

05-02-2025, 01:19 PM

Whoa there Trigger, y'all are getting the cart way before the horse. This has a long time to shake out.

Extendedcab

05-02-2025, 01:24 PM

win a natty again and go back to the last dude renovation rendering complete with more lofts

I get the desire for lofts - more comfort but at what price? A predominance of Lofts will price out the average fan. I would think making the experience better for the average fan will drive more attendance. That is unless sports is becoming a rich mans game - to attend that is! Keep those TV contracts alive - only way average fans will be able to enjoy it at that rate!

Turfdawg67

05-02-2025, 01:25 PM

The odds of pulling a proven sitting HC in a P4 is probably about 10-20%

I believe we'll 100% hire a sitting HC at a P4 program. Kendall seems to think with the settlement stuff shaking out coaches will be on the move. One rumor would make folks run naked down Montgomery with joy but I've got my doubts about that one.

Our fanbase in a nutshell. Lol!

Santiago

05-02-2025, 01:26 PM

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 01:26 PM

I get the desire for lofts - more comfort but at what price? A predominance of Lofts will price out the average fan. I would think making the experience better for the average fan will drive more attendance. That is unless sports is becoming a rich mans game - to attend that is! Keep those TV contracts alive - only way average fans will be able to enjoy it at that rate!

I mean the thing with the lofts is they won't take away attendance options for the average fan and the demand is there. The lofts also guarantee you 180K over the life of the 3 year lease on those things so multiply that by 12-15 units and you have well over 7 figures in revenue. I think within the next 10-12 years we will probably do away with the berms and make that bleacher seating. And no.....GA Chairbacks ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A THING.

Santiago

05-02-2025, 01:30 PM

I mean the thing with the lofts is they won't take away attendance options for the average fan and the demand is there. The lofts also guarantee you 180K over the life of the 3 year lease on those things so multiply that by 12-15 units and you have well over 7 figures in revenue. I think within the next 10-12 years we will probably do away with the berms and make that bleacher seating. And no.....GA Chairbacks ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A THING.

I am ready for a loft.
bucket list.
started flying private, which I never thought possible on the trajectory. Baseball is by far my favorite sport, so now I would love to use it as a company write off for entertaining at games.
edit: it really was difficult to get behind these Lemonis teams. I loved the teams and watch every game, good or bad. Just a good time now to see us surpass everyone and have at least one sport we can win big.

As you said Vegas, embrace what we have at baseball games, make it bigger, and be known for it

Coach34

05-02-2025, 01:32 PM

Another set of lofts is going to happen. Too much demand for them

Mjoelner34

05-02-2025, 01:34 PM

GA Chairbacks ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A THING.

With that, I think that as soon as you walk into the stadium with a GA ticket you should be able to sit in any un-occupied, non club level chairback and if/when the owner of that seat shows up, you move to another empty seat or go grab a spot on the drink rail. We used to do something like that years ago but it was after the 4th inning or 4.5 innings I believe.

Santiago

05-02-2025, 01:35 PM

Another set of lofts is going to happen. Too much demand for them

They should give Jesco the nod for them if all bids are equal. They seem to be the only one landing jobs on time down there in the past decade.

EdwardDrayton

05-02-2025, 01:36 PM

Yada yada blah blah. Show me. Until then there's nothing to talk about.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 01:36 PM

I am ready for a loft.
bucket list.
started flying private, which I never thought possible on the trajectory. Baseball is by far my favorite sport, so now I would love to use it as a company write off for entertaining at games.
edit: it really was difficult to get behind these Lemonis teams. I loved the teams and watch every game, good or bad. Just a good time now to see us surpass everyone and have at least one sport we can win big.

As you said Vegas, embrace what we have at baseball games, make it bigger, and be known for it

I know there's a waiting list for them, how long I do not know. But I mean they basically pay for themselves in a year when you think about it. It's a place to stay in Starkville every game weekend. The only knock on them is that you can never own them. It's a 3 year lease. I don't know how the renewals work on anything like that though.

Todd4State

05-02-2025, 01:38 PM

I mean the thing with the lofts is they won't take away attendance options for the average fan and the demand is there. The lofts also guarantee you 180K over the life of the 3 year lease on those things so multiply that by 12-15 units and you have well over 7 figures in revenue. I think within the next 10-12 years we will probably do away with the berms and make that bleacher seating. And no.....GA Chairbacks ARE NEVER GOING TO BE A THING.

My 2 cents.

Make one of the berms into seats. I think there is a group of fans that is into the berms on the first base side I think and if they want to have that berm- let them have it.

I think MSU needs to come up with some temporary bleachers that they can use for SEC weekends and regionals and move for midweek and OOC games.

cheewgumm

05-02-2025, 01:49 PM

What about a 3rd deck behind theplate?

Would those seats be any good ?

Cooterpoot

05-02-2025, 01:52 PM

Our fanbase in a nutshell. Lol!

Things change, Selmon made a very smart move on a couple fronts

Cooterpoot

05-02-2025, 01:53 PM

Another set of lofts is going to happen. Too much demand for them

Don't forget Restaurant Lemonis

Pancho

05-02-2025, 01:53 PM

the waiting list for reserved seating season tickets is enough to have a 23K seat stadium of chairbacks. they would all sell out.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 01:54 PM

With that, I think that as soon as you walk into the stadium with a GA ticket you should be able to sit in any un-occupied, non club level chairback and if/when the owner of that seat shows up, you move to another empty seat or go grab a spot on the drink rail. We used to do something like that years ago but it was after the 4th inning or 4.5 innings I believe.

Yea they used to do that but went away with that when the new stadium was built. I don't agree that you should just walk in a take someone's seat. I don't mind after the 4th or 5th though.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 01:55 PM

My 2 cents.

Make one of the berms into seats. I think there is a group of fans that is into the berms on the first base side I think and if they want to have that berm- let them have it.

I think MSU needs to come up with some temporary bleachers that they can use for SEC weekends and regionals and move for midweek and OOC games.

I just don't know where you would put them. I guess you could put them on one of the concourses but that kind of kills the purpose of the 360 concourse. I don't think there's enough room by the scoreboards to do it.

BrunswickDawg

05-02-2025, 02:03 PM

I just don't know where you would put them. I guess you could put them on one of the concourses but that kind of kills the purpose of the 360 concourse. I don't think there's enough room by the scoreboards to do it.

You can add additional upper deck sections on the baselines above the concourses/berms. Then build in RF behind and above the student section.
And If they do a second loft - put rooftop seating on it like they have on the buildings across from Wrigley Field.

cheewgumm

05-02-2025, 02:17 PM

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 02:23 PM

Put on wrong thread so adding here

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Another funding idea

Why can?t we get sponsorship from someone like Coca Cola to put a huge lit up Coke bottle in the outfield ?

Much like at SF Giants park?

Because you would have to find a company willing to spend that type of money on college baseball. And at this level they would probably want stadium naming rights.

Commercecomet24

05-02-2025, 02:44 PM

Just put a interactive bull up over the right field wall, hit the bull win a steak from (insert your favorite restaurant), like in Bull Durham.

Coursesuper

05-02-2025, 02:45 PM

Just put a interactive bull up over the right field wall, hit the bull win a steak from (insert your favorite restaurant), like in Bull Durham.

Now that I can go for!

bigbub50

05-02-2025, 02:53 PM

We are so back!

99jc

05-02-2025, 03:03 PM

Another set of lofts is going to happen. Too much demand for them

Me and 2 friends tried to go in together and get a loft we were told there were 25 people on the list ahead of us! so yeah i think they will build more~

DawgFromOxford

05-02-2025, 03:10 PM

Yea they used to do that but went away with that when the new stadium was built. I don't agree that you should just walk in a take someone's seat. I don't mind after the 4th or 5th though.

Should be after the 3rd inning. Figure you?re roughly an hour into the game at that point. If you?re not at the game at that point you probably aren?t coming. I think right now it opens up after the 7th which is ridiculous

HoopsDawg

05-02-2025, 03:20 PM

Should be after the 3rd inning. Figure you?re roughly an hour into the game at that point. If you?re not at the game at that point you probably aren?t coming. I think right now it opens up after the 7th which is ridiculous

That is ridiculous. Should be after the 2nd inning. If I get their late, I will just politely ask you to move.

Todd4State

05-02-2025, 03:31 PM

I just don't know where you would put them. I guess you could put them on one of the concourses but that kind of kills the purpose of the 360 concourse. I don't think there's enough room by the scoreboards to do it.

I was thinking of something that folds up and can be moved. Not sure it absolutely would have to be incorporated into the stadium.

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 04:07 PM

That is ridiculous. Should be after the 2nd inning. If I get their late, I will just politely ask you to move.

And half of our fans won't move. I've had to get ushers to get people out of my seats dozens of times. I roam around the stadium and am in the outfield some of the game but will go back to my seats periodically and constantly have to run people out of them.

confucius say

05-02-2025, 04:24 PM

StarkVegasSteve

05-02-2025, 04:27 PM

The lofts are only 60k a year to lease?

That's what they were at first. We looked into one but couldn't justify it if we couldn't actually own it so we got on at The Gin instead.

Quaoarsking

05-02-2025, 04:44 PM

And half of our fans won't move. I've had to get ushers to get people out of my seats dozens of times. I roam around the stadium and am in the outfield some of the game but will go back to my seats periodically and constantly have to run people out of them.

You show people that you have the ticket for the seat they're sitting in, and they just refuse to move? That's bold of them...

DownwardDawg

05-02-2025, 04:52 PM

We are so back!

You are my favorite poster right now. Lol

BeardoMSU

05-02-2025, 05:18 PM

And half of our fans won't move. I've had to get ushers to get people out of my seats dozens of times. I roam around the stadium and am in the outfield some of the game but will go back to my seats periodically and constantly have to run people out of them.

Have you ever resorted to grabbing them by their neck scruff and belt, and toss their asses like a Looney Toons skit?**

ArrowDawg

05-02-2025, 05:28 PM

Forward thinking is only as good as its execution.

True, and we've failed at the execution over and over. Maybe this time we'll get it right.

Jarius

05-02-2025, 05:52 PM

Are there still plans to build more lofts? I know at one point that was the long term goal.

bulldogcountry1

05-02-2025, 07:52 PM

Just put a interactive bull up over the right field wall, hit the bull win a steak from (insert your favorite restaurant), like in Bull Durham.

Sponsored by The Golden Horn?

Cowbell

05-02-2025, 07:53 PM

As I've mentioned on here in the last few weeks, Selmon has been working on something since last season and especially through this season. I mentioned here three weeks ago that Will Clark has been suddenly much more involved. Not just him, but that's an indicator. He ain't there to watch losing baseball..

Tater

05-02-2025, 08:04 PM

Selmon knows that he has to knock this out of the park if he wants the OU AD job. No one from OU has been contacted about any baseball openings. So that's a plus.

DawgFromOxford

05-02-2025, 08:52 PM

Sponsored by The Golden Horn?

Could get the giant horse statute from the Pony put out there

TaleofTwoDogs

05-03-2025, 01:05 PM

They are also a baseball school that is currently kicking our ass. Yet nobody in the country gives a rip about that. So what?s the point of being a ?pro? team in a sport that doesn?t get any eyeballs?

State fans have eyeballs and we want to have some pleasant sights and baseball can provide those sights. Ask our fans in the stands at DNF or Omaha if it's worth it.

Pancho

05-03-2025, 01:16 PM

Selmon can in one good hire erase all the bad juju from Larry templeton and others in one fell swoop.

Coursesuper

05-03-2025, 01:25 PM

They are also a baseball school that is currently kicking our ass. Yet nobody in the country gives a rip about that. So what?s the point of being a ?pro? team in a sport that doesn?t get any eyeballs?

Because Tx and other teams in our league are run more like a professional franchise and per usual we are behind the power curve due to self inflicted injuries. We have a vast untapped resource pool that is now available that hasn?t been until very recently. At least we have leadership in place that has the vision approach them.