Tonight Will Wrap Up The Chris Lemonis Era

[StarkVegasSteve]

Tonight was the final nail. Probably should have happened in 23, I wanted him gone in 22 but I digress. We are just not a good baseball program right now and we put too much money into it to be bad. Hell, we put too much money into it to be average. I do hate it for Chris because he is a good person, but this is a results business. I could see the move coming as early as Monday, but I definitely think it comes before we take the field at Dudy Noble again.

Also, enjoy the players we have because by and large they will all be gone at the end of the year. They came to play for this staff.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Agreed. That is the end.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We will buy new ones, I am sure.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The only thing that would stop us is?. Athletics is broke.

[BeardoMSU]

You have some inside info on this? I'd honestly be surprised by an in-season firing....

[State82]

Yep. You can roll the credits on Gone With Lemonis.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You have some inside info on this? I'd honestly be surprised by an in-season firing....

Writing is on the wall, postseason chances are history, and it is no penalty to fire him now.

You also do not have to worry about an interim rallying the troops and making the postseason.

[StateDawg44]

I just don?t see us firing him in season. And not sure what it would accomplish doing it now rather than the end of the season.

Even if we had something to play for.

[CarolinaDawgs]

You have some inside info on this? I'd honestly be surprised by an in-season firing.... SVS sources have Chris Beard accepting the MSU baseball HC job. (Sorry Steve. Couldnt help myself.)

[BeardoMSU]

Writing is on the wall, postseason chances are history, and it is no penalty to fire him now.

You also do not have to worry about an interim rallying the troops and making the postseason.

I agree that all makes sense, but i still doubt that happens.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I agree that all makes sense, but i still doubt that happens.

It is happening. Just a matter of when at this point. I see no reason to not go ahead and make the move.

[CaptainObvious]

Like I said in the other thread, Selmon doesn't have the balls and Keenum probably sleeps with that 2021Trophy he gives credit to Lemonhead for winning. I feel pretty certain Mrs Selmon has His balls sealed in a mason Jar on her dresser!

[Bothrops]

It seems like everytime we have any big 3 sporting event on national television we get absolutely embarrassed.

[State82]

I just don?t see us firing him in season. And not sure what it would accomplish doing it now rather than the end of the season.

Even if we had something to play for.

Oh they will not fire him now. But Selmon needs to be on this situation with guns blazing Monday morning and he can let Lemonis resign or retire or whatever he wants to do and the new coach can be named during, after or before Hoover. I could not care less.

[dogsbynineteej]

Who will we hire?

[StateDawg44]

Well we need to announce the new hire as soon as we can to gain momentum in the portal because as others have said. Our roster gonna get gutted. Which is totally fine as long as we have a new hire that can evaluate and sell his product.

[State82]

Well we need to announce the new hire as soon as we can to gain momentum in the portal because as others have said. Our roster gonna get gutted. Which is totally fine as long as we have a new hire that can evaluate and sell his product.
I agree.

[Todd4State]

RPI down to 48 sat this time with 5 SEC wins and 13 games left. Going to take 9-4 down the stretch to have a chance of getting in.

We had no margin for error coming into this series and well.....

This team is fairly veteran laden so we probably would have some losses anyway as far as players go. Pico and Ligon would be gone anyway. Siary- don't think he goes pro but someone might take a chance. Simmons and Hungate are seniors. So gone anyway. Ben Davis will stay I am sure. Highfill I have heard might enter the portal anyway- Lemonis leaving might actually change that or not. Who knows? Hines and Reeves are seniors. Gatlin Sanders isn't going anywhere. Reese would be a big loss. Stevens would be a big loss as well. Chance isn't leaving. Downs and Stallman are seniors I think as is Sullivan. So really we're looking at Reese, Cupp, and Stevens that we would have to replace and maybe Highfill.

[Todd4State]

I just don?t see us firing him in season. And not sure what it would accomplish doing it now rather than the end of the season.

Even if we had something to play for.

Me either. We're not going to have a coach until CWS time more than likely if we move on. Although I'm sure our fans will panic if we don't have one the day after the SEC Tournament is played. Can't wait.**

[ZedFedder]

Let him finish out the season, but I am sure we are moving behind the scenes already.

[Pancho]

I'm with Steve on this. Last night I saw some faces change and they had been solid behind lemons.

[bulldogcountry1]

There is still a chance to make the postseason. What do you do if you fire him? You can?t fire the whole staff. Gotro or Parker would take over, and I don?t want to give them a chance to be rewarded for any possible short-term success. We still have the talent to make a run and squeeze into a road regional if they get inspired.

But, we can?t afford to wait until after the CWS to make another hire. We have to do it quick, so the new guy can immediately start evaluating and building the roster. If we sit on our hands and wait, then that will set us back another season.

[maroonmania]

RPI down to 48 sat this time with 5 SEC wins and 13 games left. Going to take 9-4 down the stretch to have a chance of getting in.

We had no margin for error coming into this series and well.....

This team is fairly veteran laden so we probably would have some losses anyway as far as players go. Pico and Ligon would be gone anyway. Siary- don't think he goes pro but someone might take a chance. Simmons and Hungate are seniors. So gone anyway. Ben Davis will stay I am sure. Highfill I have heard might enter the portal anyway- Lemonis leaving might actually change that or not. Who knows? Hines and Reeves are seniors. Gatlin Sanders isn't going anywhere. Reese would be a big loss. Stevens would be a big loss as well. Chance isn't leaving. Downs and Stallman are seniors I think as is Sullivan. So really we're looking at Reese, Cupp, and Stevens that we would have to replace and maybe Highfill.

Agree it's going to be a major roster turnover no matter what so I really don't see that as a major issue other than a new staff would get a late start with the portal. Given our recent hires though I'm sure our next coach will be some unproven, roll of the dice coach anyway. Will have to cross our fingers it works out. But at this point we know the current situation isn't working out. Tough time to be a State fan all the way around.

[EdwardDrayton]

Better late than never. It's a shame we hadn't done it already but apparently some folks had delusions he might actually transform into a viable coach. Alas, we will never know what might have been for the remainder of the season. But Thank the Lord at least now when he's gone we won't have to watch any more in game decision fails.

[Coursesuper]

The only thing that would stop us is?. Athletics is broke.

Athletics doesn?t pay for this, boosters do.

[Saltydog]

Yes but here's the question we all want to know. If tonight wraps up the Lemonis era does C34 get one final reach around?

[CaptainObvious]

Yo can look across to the 1st base dugout and see what kind of coach State needs. They started 1-11 SEC, but have done a 180. That guy is a take no prisoners type of coach who probably jacked some guys up and found the leaders in his clubhouse! They hit off speed, breaking balls, fastballs, pitches off the plate. They look angry at the ball. We can't find a center fielder and they got guys gunning people down at the plate. Second season in a row they are turning it around. Last year started 6-3, struggled a lot in the middle. Then found their stride. Our guys look lost at the plate. Lost in the field. And we have no Pen! Poorly prepped all around!

[EdwardDrayton]

Yes but here's the question we all want to know. If tonight wraps up the Lemonis era does C34 get one final reach around?

Salty! Very salty!! LOL!!

[KB21]

RPI down to 48 sat this time with 5 SEC wins and 13 games left. Going to take 9-4 down the stretch to have a chance of getting in.

We had no margin for error coming into this series and well.....

This team is fairly veteran laden so we probably would have some losses anyway as far as players go. Pico and Ligon would be gone anyway. Siary- don't think he goes pro but someone might take a chance. Simmons and Hungate are seniors. So gone anyway. Ben Davis will stay I am sure. Highfill I have heard might enter the portal anyway- Lemonis leaving might actually change that or not. Who knows? Hines and Reeves are seniors. Gatlin Sanders isn't going anywhere. Reese would be a big loss. Stevens would be a big loss as well. Chance isn't leaving. Downs and Stallman are seniors I think as is Sullivan. So really we're looking at Reese, Cupp, and Stevens that we would have to replace and maybe Highfill.

We won?t lose as many as some think. When the new coach is hired, there will be new energy. If it?s someone like Coggin, don?t think for a minute that we have guys who are not noticing what he?s doing from a player development standpoint. I sent you a message about this, but if Ross Highfill was playing for Georgia instead of us, he?d be getting talked about as a potential All SEC performer much like Slate Alford has done over there.

[Pancho]

KB21 is spot on

[Homedawg]

Athletics doesn?t pay for this, boosters do.

Boosters are part of athletics.

[Homedawg]

We won?t lose as many as some think. When the new coach is hired, there will be new energy. If it?s someone like Coggin, don?t think for a minute that we have guys who are not noticing what he?s doing from a player development standpoint. I sent you a message about this, but if Ross Highfill was playing for Georgia instead of us, he?d be getting talked about as a potential All SEC performer much like Slate Alford has done over there.

Thank the good Lord it won't be Will coggin

[Cooterpoot]

Thank the good Lord it won't be Will coggin

Exactly! I don't think some realize the problems there

[Coach34]

This team is fairly veteran laden so we probably would have some losses anyway as far as players go. Pico and Ligon would be gone anyway. Siary- don't think he goes pro but someone might take a chance. Simmons and Hungate are seniors. So gone anyway. Ben Davis will stay I am sure. Highfill I have heard might enter the portal anyway- Lemonis leaving might actually change that or not. Who knows? Hines and Reeves are seniors. Gatlin Sanders isn't going anywhere. Reese would be a big loss. Stevens would be a big loss as well. Chance isn't leaving. Downs and Stallman are seniors I think as is Sullivan. So really we're looking at Reese, Cupp, and Stevens that we would have to replace and maybe Highfill.

Davis is getting drafted
McPherson
Foster
Burns

lotta arm talent out the door also

[WSOPdawg]

We won?t lose as many as some think. When the new coach is hired, there will be new energy. If it?s someone like Coggin, don?t think for a minute that we have guys who are not noticing what he?s doing from a player development standpoint. I sent you a message about this, but if Ross Highfill was playing for Georgia instead of us, he?d be getting talked about as a potential All SEC performer much like Slate Alford has done over there.

Amen, and rep given.

[Coach34]

Yes but here's the question we all want to know. If tonight wraps up the Lemonis era does C34 get one final reach around?

I've never talked about him being some great coach- just that he deserved the job. He doesnt deserve the job anymore. Bring on the next one

[Coursesuper]

Boosters are part of athletics.

Not in that budget though are they.

[KB21]

Thank the good Lord it won't be Will coggin

I?m more convinced now that Will Coggin should be the top guy for the job than I was before I saw this. Best hitting coach in the country.

[Quaoarsking]

Would Coggin be a serious candidate if he didn't play here? I'm ok with hiring him, I just don't think that should play into the decision.

[KB21]

It seems we have some fans who are unaware of what Coggin has done at Georgia and at Kentucky prior to Georgia.

[maroonmania]

Not in that budget though are they.

And boosters aren't broke. They are either motivated to give or they aren't. It's their money to do what they want.

[ZedFedder]

It seems we have some fans who are unaware of what Coggin has done at Georgia and at Kentucky prior to Georgia.

Elaborate then.

[bulldogcountry1]

It seems we have some fans who are unaware of what Coggin has done at Georgia and at Kentucky prior to Georgia.

I guess I am one of them, if you are talking about something other than the success of the teams he has been involved with.

[Cooterpoot]

I?m more convinced now that Will Coggin should be the top guy for the job than I was before I saw this. Best hitting coach in the country.

You're dead wrong on this one. He's not getting this job for good reason.

[Todd4State]

You're dead wrong on this one. He's not getting this job for good reason.

And that reason is?

And if it's no access to boosters then that's not a good reason.

Otherwise I don't see the point in making a change if the AD is just going to **** it up because we're going to get the same results either way.

[Dawgface]

Contract extension being drawn up as I type this. ��

[Pancho]

You're dead wrong on this one. He's not getting this job for good reason.

We better find a dude with his mentality then. This laid back waddling around by Lemons has run its course. I personally think Coggin would have won more games at this point this season than what we have.

[Todd4State]

We better find a dude with his mentality then. This laid back waddling around by Lemons has run its course. I personally think Coggin would have won more games at this point this season than what we have.

You are exactly right. We aren't going to have the team we want if we keep up with the holier than thou bullshit.

The one time we didn't we got Cohen and despite our own people trying to sabotage him because he wasn't Ron Polk's choice he got us to the best era of MSU baseball ever.

Let me guess how this ends up. We hire Elander from Tennessee and pretend he is a nicer version of Vitello. Then we find out he can't manage a team. Then we blame everyone except ourselves when we could have had Coggin who will go to South Carolina and win a bunch of games as head coach there.

If Coggin isn't in jail whatever he did can't be that bad. Shit- these same people advocated for a guy who drove through a Wendy's naked a few weeks ago but whatever Coggin did- man it's really bad.**

[Brobi-wan]

You are exactly right. We aren't going to have the team we want if we keep up with the holier than thou bullshit.

The one time we didn't we got Cohen and despite our own people trying to sabotage him because he wasn't Ron Polk's choice he got us to the best era of MSU baseball ever.

Let me guess how this ends up. We hire Elander from Tennessee and pretend he is a nicer version of Vitello. Then we find out he can't manage a team. Then we blame everyone except ourselves when we could have had Coggin who will go to South Carolina and win a bunch of games as head coach there.

If Coggin isn't in jail whatever he did can't be that bad. Shit- these same people advocated for a guy who drove through a Wendy's naked a few weeks ago but whatever Coggin did- man it's really bad.**

I made take a naked Wendy’s fiasco if it got us a couple natties. scUM has a wife beater. Nude Wendy’s run is a cakewalk in comparison.

Got a baconator while flashing son of baconator

[The Federalist Engineer]

We talking a naked Wendy's run at 18 or 38?

Sounds like I am messing with language here but the Texas PC is my guy.

Because you guys are talking nudity, I won't mention his name

[ZedFedder]

I think nobody on here really knows anything about Coggin, but they sure like to look like they do.

[Todd4State]

I made take a naked Wendy’s fiasco if it got us a couple natties. scUM has a wife beater. Nude Wendy’s run is a cakewalk in comparison.

Got a baconator while flashing son of baconator


We talking a naked Wendy's run at 18 or 38?

Sounds like I am messing with language here but the Texas PC is my guy.

Because you guys are talking nudity, I won't mention his name

Hell- Ole Miss would probably milk it and build a Wendy's at Vaught Hemingway.

MSU we immediately fire the guy and ban him from campus.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Steve Sabins is a name to watch. He currently has WVU with the best record in college baseball. It?s technically his first year but he was running the show the last year or two before Mazey retired. I think he would be a solid hire and a realistic candidate

[sandjunky]

Steve Sabins is a name to watch. He currently has WVU with the best record in college baseball. It?s technically his first year but he was running the show the last year or two before Mazey retired. I think he would be a solid hire and a realistic candidate

So a Dollar General ?Saban?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steve Sabins is a name to watch. He currently has WVU with the best record in college baseball. It?s technically his first year but he was running the show the last year or two before Mazey retired. I think he would be a solid hire and a realistic candidate

I wouldn't hate Sabins. I would be a little worried about how much of their success is they still have a lot of Randy Mazey's talent and how much of it is Sabins. But if it checked out I wouldn't hate it. We could double his salary and still be paying him considerably less than Lemonis.

[Pancho]

I think nobody on here really knows anything about Coggin, but they sure like to look like they do.

Some here have known him since he played little league. He'll be a college HC in a few years(my opinion) and I figure he'll be very successful due to the work ethic he has displayed since he was a young kid just playing ball.

[bulldogcountry1]

Some here have known him since he played little league. He'll be a college HC in a few years(my opinion) and I figure he'll be very successful due to the work ethic he has displayed since he was a young kid just playing ball.

We just need to blindly trust the cryptic post of the few here who claim to have some knowledge of him that would make him toxic for our program.

[Pancho]

We just need to blindly trust the cryptic post of the few here who claim to have some knowledge of him that would make him toxic for our program.

I think the folks on here who knock Coggin are the one's who actually don't know sh*t about him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think the folks on here who knock Coggin are the one's who actually don't know sh*t about him.

I'm not saying all are like this, because some people truly may know something about the guy, but I think a lot of the negative connotations about Coggin stem from his time here, when he was icy to a lot of people and then the UGA game last year where he really got into it with our players and staff.

As far as his time here, I think what a lot of people have to understand is those Cohen staffs really took the personality of Cohen. VERY very icy towards anyone not on the team. There was not one assistant that wasn't cagey towards people. Whether it was Butch, Nick, Will, Lane, or Wes. They kind of took on the persona that Cohen had when he was the coach. I think some of this newer age of fans don't remember baseball coach Cohen. They never heard of him affectionately referred to as the IB.

As far as the stuff last year, that was him defending his team. We'd want our coaches doing the same thing

[Cooterpoot]

I think the folks on here who knock Coggin are the one's who actually don't know sh*t about him.

And you'd be incorrect again

[StarkVegasSteve]

And you'd be incorrect again

I'll be honest, if it's not something that's against the law, then I don't really care. And since, to my knowledge he hasn't been convicted of anything, it's a nothing burger.

[ZedFedder]

I do think it is a little funny that guys try to posture on here like they have this info, that everybody else is dumb for not having it, but then refuse to speak on it other than in extremely vague and nondescript ways. I think it boils down to the fact that they want to seem important but really know nothing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I do think it is a little funny that guys try to posture on here like they have this info, that everybody else is dumb for not having it, but then refuse to speak on it other than in extremely vague and nondescript ways. I think it boils down to the fact that they want to seem important but really know nothing.

It's a message board. A lot of folks will come with little tidbits of information they were given and hope someone else is able to fill in the blanks. For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

[StateDawg44]

For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

I'd love to know what the actual story was there.

Will he wind up at another SEC school is the better question.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'd love to know what the actual story was there.

Will he wind up at another SEC school is the better question.

Just PM'd you.

But I would say it's pretty unlikely he ends up at another SEC school.

[ZedFedder]

It's a message board. A lot of folks will come with little tidbits of information they were given and hope someone else is able to fill in the blanks. For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

No doubt. I think that is a little different than the Coggin guys.

[Thick]

What Coggins do that?s so bad?

[AlSwearengen]

I'm not saying all are like this, because some people truly may know something about the guy, but I think a lot of the negative connotations about Coggin stem from his time here, when he was icy to a lot of people and then the UGA game last year where he really got into it with our players and staff.

As far as his time here, I think what a lot of people have to understand is those Cohen staffs really took the personality of Cohen. VERY very icy towards anyone not on the team. There was not one assistant that wasn't cagey towards people. Whether it was Butch, Nick, Will, Lane, or Wes. They kind of took on the persona that Cohen had when he was the coach. I think some of this newer age of fans don't remember baseball coach Cohen. They never heard of him affectionately referred to as the IB.

As far as the stuff last year, that was him defending his team. We'd want our coaches doing the same thing

I remember soft spoken mild mannered Butch Thompson going after a security guard at alabama that was talking shit in our dugout after we lost a game to them. Cohen was doing a radio interview and you could hear the commotion in the background and Cohen had to end the interview so he could get in the middle of it. So, yeah, there is something to coaches taking on Cohen's edginess.

If Coggin is passed over b/c of whatever it is that some here infer about him, I hope it is a bigtime legit concern and not just hurt feelings or pride or personality issues.

[Cooterpoot]

Coggin burned bridges here that I don't think he can overcome. He did some things he shouldn't have and people don't forget those things at State. We shall see but I 💯 believe we'd have to miss on a lot of people to end up with him

[KOdawg1]

I think if we swing and miss on some guys and end up with a guy like Coggin, I'll probably be okay with it.

But he's not my first, second, or third call.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think if we swing and miss on some guys and end up with a guy like Coggin, I'll probably be okay with it.

But he's not my first, second, or third call.

Just curious....who'd be your first calls? Not saying you're wrong or anything like that. Just seeing how high you're shooting on this

[KOdawg1]

Just curious....who'd be your first calls? Not saying you're wrong or anything like that. Just seeing how high you're shooting on this

Well, the first calls would be the unrealistic candidates like Tony V, Brian O'Conner, Bakich, etc, so after those guys tell you no, my next calls would be in the tier of guys like Rob Vaughn, Chris Pollard, Wes Johnson, Mark Wasikowski, Steve Sabins, Scott Forbes.

Most of them will say no, but you see if you can pry one away. If you swing and miss on those guys, then you go to the lower level HCs or top assistant tier, which is where we probably end up pulling a guy from. Skylar Meade, Jordan Bischel, Ben Orloff, Andrew Checketts, etc. and the then guys like Elander and Coggin. Our next coach is probably a guy like one of these names, but I'd definitely swing hard at first before getting here.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well, the first calls would be the unrealistic candidates like Tony V, Brian O'Conner, Bakich, etc, so after those guys tell you no, my next calls would be in the tier of guys like Rob Vaughn, Chris Pollard, Wes Johnson, Mark Wasikowski, Steve Sabins, Scott Forbes.

Most of them will say no, but you see if you can pry one away. If you swing and miss on those guys, then you go to the lower level HCs or top assistant tier, which is where we probably end up pulling a guy from. Skylar Meade, Jordan Bischel, Ben Orloff, Andrew Checketts, etc. and the then guys like Elander and Coggin. Our next coach is probably a guy like one of these names, but I'd definitely swing hard at first before getting here.

My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

[Santiago]

My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

I wish we had gone for Wasikowski at the time instead of Lemonis.
If we hire Sabins.....it is set up on a platter for spelling options on our boards.

edit: But at the time, Wasikowski did not allow Cohen the "multiple CWS appearances" BS he said on the radio when he was running his mouth.

[Pinto]

Coggin burned bridges here that I don't think he can overcome. He did some things he shouldn't have and people don't forget those things at State. We shall see but I 💯 believe we'd have to miss on a lot of people to end up with him

Shit like this is why state will never be successful. 17 your feelings. You are either in it to win or you?re not. This is big time college athletics, not church league softball. Get people in here that can do a job, not folks who make you feel warm and fuzzy. Winning makes you feel warm and fuzzy.


Edit to add: this was not directed at you cooter. Just the idea of that mentality in general.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shit like this is why state will never be successful. 17 your feelings. You are either in it to win or you?re not. This is big time college athletics, not church league softball. Get people in here that can do a job, not folks who make you feel warm and fuzzy. Winning makes you feel warm and fuzzy.


Edit to add: this was not directed at you cooter. Just the idea of that mentality in general.

The good news is that those guys won't be doing the heavy lifting financially on this hire so it doesn't really matter. Richard Adkerson is more involved in baseball now and will help us out on that front. As are Paul Maholm and Pabelbon.

[Todd4State]

My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

As far as Sabins goes I would venture to guess he had a LOT to do with it since he has been there since 2016 and was their recruiting coordinator.

https://wvusports.com/sports/baseball/roster/coaches/steve-sabins/1866

This is his postgame interview from yesterday. Actually has some insight into their program. You can tell the difference between him and Lemonis. Lemonis was basically like "I'm just trying not to mess this up" in year one. Sabins is developing and building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uif5KHPTMWQ

[Todd4State]

The good news is that those guys won't be doing the heavy lifting financially on this hire so it doesn't really matter. Richard Adkerson is more involved in baseball now and will help us out on that front. As are Paul Maholm and Pabelbon.

With that kind of financial backing we definitely should at least kick the tires on a guy like Vitello or Backich. No reason not to. And then go to a guy like Sabins. If that doesn't work go for Coggin and tell whoever has their panties in a wad that we're here to win and not make MSU staffers happy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

With that kind of financial backing we definitely should at least kick the tires on a guy like Vitello or Backich. No reason not to. And then go to a guy like Sabins. If that doesn't work go for Coggin and tell whoever has their panties in a wad that we're here to win and not make MSU staffers happy.

I don't mind kicking the tires on Bakich. We don't need to bother with Vitello. Tennessee has 500 Richard Adkerson's and about 250 of them are far wealthier. Jimmy Haslam could pay off the debt on Dudy Noble with one check and not know the money was missing.

[bulldogcountry1]

I wonder how people who think Coggin is toxic have also wished we would rehire Cann.

[bulldogcountry1]

I?ve gotten to the point where I think having a familiarity with State or SEC baseball culture as an assistant carries as much weight as being a HC anywhere else where there is no fan support or pressure.

[Pancho]

And you'd be incorrect again

then put up or zip it. He's better in a competitive sense than what we currently have. I bet you'd say the same to his relatives and hey, even say it to coggin himself. you must be a big ole boy. i like the panties in a wad comment. we need a dam HC with a spine. we dam sure ain't got one now. We will be relegated to finishing 12-16 in the league if we don't have an AD who sees this. big boy know it all boosters be damned.

[Coach34]

Every coach we have hired in baseball had a worse job that was lower than State when they accepted our job. We have never hired a Top guy.

Polk from Georgia Southern
Patty Mac- promoted from within and he left us for Fla
Polk 2 as he really never wanted to leave in the 1st place
John Cohen from Kentucky. 20 years ago our job was alot better. That gap has closed but we are still a better job
Cann- went the top Asst route because other top guys turned us down
Lemon- HC from a lower school after numerous top guys turned us down

We have never hired a top coach and we never will. We will hire a HC from a lesser program or a Top Asst ready to be a HC. This summer we'll see that play out again

[Cooterpoot]

Every coach we have hired in baseball had a worse job that was lower than State when they accepted our job. We have never hired a Top guy.

Polk from Georgia Southern
Patty Mac- promoted from within and he left us for Fla
Polk 2 as he really never wanted to leave in the 1st place
John Cohen from Kentucky. 20 years ago our job was alot better. That gap has closed but we are still a better job
Cann- went the top Asst route because other top guys turned us down
Lemon- HC from a lower school after numerous top guys turned us down

We have never hired a top coach and we never will. We will hire a HC from a lesser program or a Top Asst ready to be a HC. This summer we'll see that play out again

Every job outside the SEC is a lesser job really

[Coursesuper]

Every coach we have hired in baseball had a worse job that was lower than State when they accepted our job. We have never hired a Top guy.

Polk from Georgia Southern
Patty Mac- promoted from within and he left us for Fla
Polk 2 as he really never wanted to leave in the 1st place
John Cohen from Kentucky. 20 years ago our job was alot better. That gap has closed but we are still a better job
Cann- went the top Asst route because other top guys turned us down
Lemon- HC from a lower school after numerous top guys turned us down

We have never hired a top coach and we never will. We will hire a HC from a lesser program or a Top Asst ready to be a HC. This summer we'll see that play out again

Mac was HC at ODU and came back to be HC.

[Coach34]

Mac was HC at ODU and came back to be HC.

Mac was an asst at State- left to be a HC- and then came back for a couple of years with the promise he would be the HC after Polk. He came back for 2 years before he was made HC. We promoted from within as I said.

[Todd4State]

I don't mind kicking the tires on Bakich. We don't need to bother with Vitello. Tennessee has 500 Richard Adkerson's and about 250 of them are far wealthier. Jimmy Haslam could pay off the debt on Dudy Noble with one check and not know the money was missing.

It becomes supply and demand at a certain point.

They clearly don't care about paying 4 million for a QB but they're going to break the bank for Vitello?

We care more about baseball than Tennessee does. More or less comes down to whether Vitello wants to come here. Which is why it's worth asking and trying. If Alabama didn't try to get Nick Saban they wouldn't have gotten him either and I guarantee you the Dolphins owner would have won a bidding war against Alabama.

I don't think Vitello is out of our pride range or theirs. Really a matter of want and fit.

[Coach34]

It becomes supply and demand at a certain point.

They clearly don't care about paying 4 million for a QB but they're going to break the bank for Vitello?

We care more about baseball than Tennessee does. More or less comes down to whether Vitello wants to come here. Which is why it's worth asking and trying. If Alabama didn't try to get Nick Saban they wouldn't have gotten him either and I guarantee you the Dolphins owner would have won a bidding war against Alabama.

I don't think Vitello is out of our pride range or theirs. Really a matter of want and fit.

lol- they already pay him more than twice what we pay. In no world of reality are we going to pay a baseball coach $4MM or even 5MM that it would take to just get the HC- then the other salaries for the rest of the staff. It's lunacy to even think it's possible. Our next HC is gonna be making about $800K as a first time HC most likely

[Cooterpoot]

Vitello isn't leaving TN and we aren't paying what it would take for his buyout either

[Todd4State]

Every coach we have hired in baseball had a worse job that was lower than State when they accepted our job. We have never hired a Top guy.

Polk from Georgia Southern
Patty Mac- promoted from within and he left us for Fla
Polk 2 as he really never wanted to leave in the 1st place
John Cohen from Kentucky. 20 years ago our job was alot better. That gap has closed but we are still a better job
Cann- went the top Asst route because other top guys turned us down
Lemon- HC from a lower school after numerous top guys turned us down

We have never hired a top coach and we never will. We will hire a HC from a lesser program or a Top Asst ready to be a HC. This summer we'll see that play out again

Polk was hired at a time when we had one CWS appearance and had never won a game in Omaha. Was actually a pretty crazy situation between D'Armi, Bragan, and Polk and involved people like Alex Grammas who was the Brewers manager at the time and a MSU alum and former player. Polk left Georgia Southern because of lack of commitment and we got him after a pit stop at Miami where he left GSU to be an assistant.

Pat McMahon- already been said. Essentially run off because he wasn't Polk.

Polk 2- could have had Manieri and LT chose to make some alumni happy instead of doing what was best for MSU. Also could have had Augie Garrido around 1991 but Polk decided to come back after some boosters talked him into coming back which led to the eventual Pat McMahon assistant head coach situation.

Cohen- Greg Byrne told people 17 you were hiring Cohen from Kentucky. Could have hired a number of people like Steve Smith, Brian Shoop, and of course Tommy Raffo. There were rumors about Polk calling up Pat Casey who Byrne was interested in and talked him out of taking the job. Same with Tim Corbin.

Cann- in a sign of things to come Cohen 17ed this up. By far the least qualified candidate MSU has ever hired. We hired Cann in October which would be like hiring a football coach in July. No way we could do a proper search at that point. Should have made Henderson the interim for 2017....

Henderson- and it happened anyway in 2018. Mike Brown doesn't get near the credit he deserves for his work with that team. So our interim had SEC head coaching experience and was more qualified than Cann.

Lemonis- Cohen 17ed this up by running his mouth and basically told everyone we were hiring Schlossnagle. When that fell through he begged Dan McDonnell for the job and we ended up with Louisville's sloppy seconds. And we begged Tim Corbin to take the job AGAIN. At least twice.

[Todd4State]

lol- they already pay him more than twice what we pay. In no world of reality are we going to pay a baseball coach $4MM or even 5MM that it would take to just get the HC- then the other salaries for the rest of the staff. It's lunacy to even think it's possible. Our next HC is gonna be making about $800K as a first time HC most likely


Vitello isn't leaving TN and we aren't paying what it would take for his buyout either

Who is really paying for this? "We" or Richard Adkerson? If the athletic department gets a 16 million dollar donation in July I think that will answer that.

Buyouts are negotiable by the way.

[Coach34]

Who is really paying for this? "We" or Richard Adkerson? If the athletic department gets a 16 million dollar donation in July I think that will answer that.

Buyouts are negotiable by the way.

If he's giving the AD 16MM that means baseball will get about 3MM to buy out Lemon and the staff. Then we will hire a top asst

[Coursesuper]

Mac was an asst at State- left to be a HC- and then came back for a couple of years with the promise he would be the HC after Polk. He came back for 2 years before he was made HC. We promoted from within as I said.

I know, I him well. It shocked us that he hired Jim Case and not Timmy when he took got the head gig. His first game as HC he passed a sticky note to my dad from the dugout, It said " Help I need a line up, quickly".

[StarkVegasSteve]

If he's giving the AD 16MM that means baseball will get about 3MM to buy out Lemon and the staff. Then we will hire a top asst

Nope. Richard has say where his money goes. That's why football doesn't get a lot of it. He's just not a fan of football. Nothing against the staff or anything like that. He just would rather us be good in basketball. They've convinced him to care about baseball.

[gtowndawg]

Nope. Richard has say where his money goes. That's why football doesn't get a lot of it. He's just not a fan of football. Nothing against the staff or anything like that. He just would rather us be good in basketball. They've convinced him to care about baseball.

Richard, if you're reading this, for all that is holy, please give the money to football (and thank you for making basketball good again).

[Coach34]

Nope. Richard has say where his money goes. That's why football doesn't get a lot of it. He's just not a fan of football. Nothing against the staff or anything like that. He just would rather us be good in basketball. They've convinced him to care about baseball.

Hey I'm all for a big infusion into baseball. But basketball isnt getting any cheaper. We shall see when we start the process in about a month

[ZedFedder]

Still nothing on what Coggin did.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hey I'm all for a big infusion into baseball. But basketball isnt getting any cheaper. We shall see when we start the process in about a month

It's not that he's giving that much to baseball but I think if Selmon asked him he'd cut a check for 4-5 million for a buyout.

[Coach34]

It's not that he's giving that much to baseball but I think if Selmon asked him he'd cut a check for 4-5 million for a buyout.

Well, I hope we are talking to some agents already and are smart enough to not be used as a pay raise by current SEC HC's

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well, I hope we are talking to some agents already and are smart enough to not be used as a pay raise by current SEC HC's

That's my worry. We already know Cliff Godwin will do exactly that. Wes Johnson will probably do that as well. I could also see O'Sullivan doing it. We don't need to waste our time with candidates like that. We just have to be very diligent with who we're after.

[Todd4State]

That's my worry. We already know Cliff Godwin will do exactly that. Wes Johnson will probably do that as well. I could also see O'Sullivan doing it. We don't need to waste our time with candidates like that. We just have to be very diligent with who we're after.

It's very simple. Don't focus on one guy. Kick the tires on Vitello and go all in on him but at the same time talk to Sabins at West Virginia and Vaughn at Alabama. Maybe Saarloos at TCU too. If they all act weird go get Coggin.

Cohen would go all in on Vitello and if he said no he would panic and beg Corbin and then settle for Elander because Vitello recommended him.

Any of the four I just mentioned in the first paragraph would be awesome. Vaughn might be able to bring Lebron with him. Sabins is known for player development and will actually have resources at MSU. Coggin is elite in the portal and we could use that.

[Coach34]

Nobody is leaving an SEC job to come to State.

[State82]

Nobody is leaving an SEC job to come to State.

And most likely no high level P4 job.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's very simple. Don't focus on one guy. Kick the tires on Vitello and go all in on him but at the same time talk to Sabins at West Virginia and Vaughn at Alabama. Maybe Saarloos at TCU too. If they all act weird go get Coggin.

Cohen would go all in on Vitello and if he said no he would panic and beg Corbin and then settle for Elander because Vitello recommended him.

Any of the four I just mentioned in the first paragraph would be awesome. Vaughn might be able to bring Lebron with him. Sabins is known for player development and will actually have resources at MSU. Coggin is elite in the portal and we could use that.

There's a chance for Vaughn now because Early has righted the ship in College Station. You give me Vaughn and Lebron and I'll start booking Omaha.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nobody is leaving an SEC job to come to State.

Rob Vaughn might. He's a distant 3rd fiddle at Bama. He'd have baseball only boosters here. We may not be more attractive than a lot of SEC jobs, but we are more attractive than Bama.

[Todd4State]

Nobody is leaving an SEC job to come to State.

Mingione would walk through hell in a gasoline suit if we offered him our job.

[Coach34]

Rob Vaughn might. He's a distant 3rd fiddle at Bama. He'd have baseball only boosters here. We may not be more attractive than a lot of SEC jobs, but we are more attractive than Bama.

I doubt he would but I dont want anybody that cant beat Lemon either

[Todd4State]

There's a chance for Vaughn now because Early has righted the ship in College Station. You give me Vaughn and Lebron and I'll start booking Omaha.

And if Fowler doesn't go pro he's probably ours no matter who our coach is.

[Coach34]

Mingione would walk through hell in a gasoline suit if we offered him our job.

I thought that way back when but the word is now that he loves being more north. And then secondly- would hate to see us hire a clown as HC

[Todd4State]

I thought that way back when but the word is now that he loves being more north. And then secondly- would hate to see us hire a clown as HC

If he said that someone from MSU told him he wasn't going to be offered our job.

I don't think he is that good anyway so not a big deal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought that way back when but the word is now that he loves being more north. And then secondly- would hate to see us hire a clown as HC

That's the word because he's not getting our job. He'd probably be behind Coggin.

But Mingione would walk on broken glass to come take our job.

[Coach34]

Corbin is old and its too late to leave
Sully almost no chance unless he felt like things were getting stale at Fla. He is at the end of an age gap where it would make sense but if he is at Fla another couple years he's never leaving
Tenn is going to build a statue for Vitello before he leaves
Kentucky's coach is a clown
Manieri is too old
Mizzou's coach shouldnt even be a juco HC
A&M's just got his gig
Schloss will retire at Texas with his buddy there
Johnson will retire at LSU
Mini-me aint leaving Georgia- would use this for a pay raise.
Butch is solid where he is
Vaughn is just getting everything in place at Bama. Highly unlikely he bolts. Cant even beat Lemon
Skip has OU where he wants it and is 58. Highly unlikely
Bunko saved his job for another couple of years this season it looks like
UPig's huckleberry should be grooming his successor

We are hiring a Top Asst or the HC from somewhere like Purdue or some shit as we have with our last 2 hires

[Todd4State]

Corbin is old and its too late to leave
Sully almost no chance unless he felt like things were getting stale at Fla. He is at the end of an age gap where it would make sense but if he is at Fla another couple years he's never leaving
Tenn is going to build a statue for Vitello before he leaves
Kentucky's coach is a clown
Manieri is too old
Mizzou's coach shouldnt even be a juco HC
A&M's just got his gig
Schloss will retire at Texas with his buddy there
Johnson will retire at LSU
Mini-me aint leaving Georgia- would use this for a pay raise.
Butch is solid where he is
Vaughn is just getting everything in place at Bama. Highly unlikely he bolts. Cant even beat Lemon
Skip has OU where he wants it and is 58. Highly unlikely
Bunko saved his job for another couple of years this season it looks like
UPig's huckleberry should be grooming his successor

We are hiring a Top Asst or the HC from somewhere like Purdue or some shit as we have with our last 2 hires

Don't forget that Cohen isn't running this search. He completely botched the last search running his mouth. Selmon isn't going to do that. He also hired Cann which happened at a weird time to hire a head baseball coach. Was essentially like Ole Miss hiring Luke after the Freeze scandal.

If Cohen was our AD he would be telling Bo Bounds that we're going to hire a sitting SEC head coach who has a NC and a beard. And then end up with Elander.

Coggin might be the favorite right now to get the job but we're going to probably end up with someone like Sabins at West Virginia.

[Coach34]

Don't forget that Cohen isn't running this search. He completely botched the last search running his mouth. Selmon isn't going to do that. He also hired Cann which happened at a weird time to hire a head baseball coach. Was essentially like Ole Miss hiring Luke after the Freeze scandal.

If Cohen was our AD he would be telling Bo Bounds that we're going to hire a sitting SEC head coach who has a NC and a beard. And then end up with Elander.

Coggin might be the favorite right now to get the job but we're going to probably end up with someone like Sabins at West Virginia.

Cohen saying that on Bo Bound's show didnt affect anything about the search. All it did was raise expectations by our fanbase that shouldnt have been raised in the 1st place. It had no effect on who was willing to take our job. I certainly think we could get someone like the coach at WV. Hiring a top asst could be an awesome hire as well. it's working well for Tenn and had Cann not been an idiot he was laying some groundwork here for us.

Can Lemon pull a 2022 Bunko out of his ass? Clock's ticking. Gonna be an interesting May

[HoopsDawg]

Don't forget that Cohen isn't running this search. He completely botched the last search running his mouth. Selmon isn't going to do that. He also hired Cann which happened at a weird time to hire a head baseball coach. Was essentially like Ole Miss hiring Luke after the Freeze scandal.

If Cohen was our AD he would be telling Bo Bounds that we're going to hire a sitting SEC head coach who has a NC and a beard. And then end up with Elander.

Coggin might be the favorite right now to get the job but we're going to probably end up with someone like Sabins at West Virginia.

Coggin isn't the favorite.

[Pancho]

who is the favorite. don't hold back since you are full of solid info.

[Todd4State]

Cohen saying that on Bo Bound's show didnt affect anything about the search. All it did was raise expectations by our fanbase that shouldnt have been raised in the 1st place. It had no effect on who was willing to take our job. I certainly think we could get someone like the coach at WV. Hiring a top asst could be an awesome hire as well. it's working well for Tenn and had Cann not been an idiot he was laying some groundwork here for us.

Can Lemon pull a 2022 Bunko out of his ass? Clock's ticking. Gonna be an interesting May

It absolutely took away our leverage to hire Schlossnagle. No reason to put it out there publicly at all. Schlossnagle may have been our coach if it wasn't the worst kept secret in baseball.

[Todd4State]

Coggin isn't the favorite.

Nor should he be. His resume isn't as good as Sabins or Vaughn.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It absolutely took away our leverage to hire Schlossnagle. No reason to put it out there publicly at all. Schlossnagle may have been our coach if it wasn't the worst kept secret in baseball.

Part of that was Schloss himself. He confirmed to the TCU media in their after the season meeting that he essentially was going to take our job. Then when TCU pressed him to inform them he tried to force our hand to go ahead and announce while we were still playing. I still think we should have done it. Cohen knew Gary Henderson was not getting that job. We also should have listened when he tried to meet with Cohen in Omaha.

[StateDawg44]

Part of that was Schloss himself. He confirmed to the TCU media in their after the season meeting that he essentially was going to take our job. Then when TCU pressed him to inform them he tried to force our hand to go ahead and announce while we were still playing. I still think we should have done it. Cohen knew Gary Henderson was not getting that job. We also should have listened when he tried to meet with Cohen in Omaha.

I've never really understood this. Why would Schloss need us to announce it? I get that TCU may have been pressing him but why couldn't he just tell them behind closed doors until we finished?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've never really understood this. Why would Schloss need us to announce it? I get that TCU may have been pressing him but why couldn't he just tell them behind closed doors until we finished?

Because they wanted an official announcement that he was leaving and he wanted it announced. He overplayed his hand and then Cohen bailed him out and overplayed our hand by trying to play hardball and we ended up with Chris Lemonis.

[Cooterpoot]

It absolutely took away our leverage to hire Schlossnagle. No reason to put it out there publicly at all. Schlossnagle may have been our coach if it wasn't the worst kept secret in baseball.

That had nothing to do with Schloss not getting the job.

[Santiago]

Because they wanted an official announcement that he was leaving and he wanted it announced. He overplayed his hand and then Cohen bailed him out and overplayed our hand by trying to play hardball and we ended up with Chris Lemonis.

I remember hearing from some people that Schloss was in Omaha and wanting to talk with Cohen, and the Cohen was being an arrogant prick.

[Coach34]

I've never really understood this. Why would Schloss need us to announce it? I get that TCU may have been pressing him but why couldn't he just tell them behind closed doors until we finished?

Exactly. If Schloss wanted to be our HC- he would have been. All this Cohen blame is BS

[StarkVegasSteve]

I remember hearing from some people that Schloss was in Omaha and wanting to talk with Cohen, and the Cohen was being an arrogant prick.

Schloss was in Omaha. I saw him. He was in our team hotel on Sunday and Monday of those first two days. Again, I saw him. Now, could he have just been there for the World Series? Yea. But Cohen being an arrogant prick and refusing to meet with him again is a lot more believable and I have heard it from a lot more people. There are probably only 10-12 people that truly know and they will never tell.

[Santiago]

We now have an AD, thanks to Keenum's decision of hires, that does not actually have AD experience in making hires, other than football.
Nothing against Selmon. We are an SEC program and our president hired someone without experience.

[Goldendawg]

I remember hearing from some people that Schloss was in Omaha and wanting to talk with Cohen, and the Cohen was being an arrogant prick.

So he was just being himself?***

[Todd4State]

That had nothing to do with Schloss not getting the job.

It didn't help anything.

At the very least it's unprofessional at best to do that before you hire someone.

The other thing is if you don't deliver the guy you promised on the radio you look like a clown and incompetent. Which is exactly what happened.

You're also telling other candidates that they aren't our first choice. Whether they know it or not you don't come out and say it.

[bulldogcountry1]

I still say this is a primary reason for why Cohen left. Cann was a risky hire, but quickly looked like a great hire. That 2017 team is one of my all-time favorties.

Then, it all blew up. Cohen looked like a fool and had to settle for Lemonis, despite having the entire 2018 season to work on a great hire.

After the NC, I bet Cohen could see that the baseball program was about to go south and knew that he wouldn't survive two botched baseball hires.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I still say this is a primary reason for why Cohen left. Cann was a risky hire, but quickly looked like a great hire. That 2017 team is one of my all-time favorties.

Then, it all blew up. Cohen looked like a fool and had to settle for Lemonis, despite having the entire 2018 season to work on a great hire.

After the NC, I bet Cohen could see that the baseball program was about to go south and knew that he wouldn't survive two botched baseball hires.

No. Cohen realized that Charlie Winfield exposed him and his crony Lee Van Horn for trying to rig NIL to only help baseball when they first started. He would have been fired within a year.