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[Squidawg11]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20131214/SPORTS05/312140040/Pulled-scholarship-offers-adverse-effect

Every school in the country has to do this sometimes, but the Talty and Co. call us out for it.

[preachermatt83]

man Hill's comments were pretty harsh.

[Coach34]

See- that's the kind of shit people talk about with the media spin. OM does the same shit- but you wont EVER see the C-L write that article about them

[BeastMan]

I hate it for Liggins b/c I've always liked his upside but I wonder if there is anything else to this story... It's funny b/c these stories are always one sided b/c the HS coach is pissed but the college coach can't comment on specific recruits.

[ShotgunDawg]

What are the odds that Buckey had the coach call Talty and not the other way around?

Talty is probably always looking for a story to write, and when a coach calls him and a story lands in his lap, he simply writes it without thinking.

I agree though, the whole thing is a cheap shot. Everyone needs to realize that we are an SEC football program that must compete at the highest level in college football with only 25 scholarships. It is perfectly acceptable to pull scholarships IMO. Sometimes the coaches make bad evaluations on kids in the summer and they don't improve.

[HoopsDawg]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20131214/SPORTS05/312140040/Pulled-scholarship-offers-adverse-effect

Every school in the country has to do this sometimes, but the Talty and Co. call us out for it.

It's not the clarion ledgers fault, it's not the Oxford coach's fault (even though he is an Ole Miss fan), it's our staff's fault for offering this kid too early. The staff did what they had to do by pulling the offer, but you have to be prepared for the blow-back. We need to be smarter and more judicious with our early offers.

[gravedigger]

I don't believe anyone should subscribe to the cl for reasons that go back to the early 80s but I'm not really thinking that article is all that big a deal.

So an ole miss homer coach is buthurt. Well coach hill, the entire reb nation hurts with ya.

Oh, and I seem to remember an older liggins who strung along a number of schools with fake commitments.

But that isn't the same thing is it?

[Squidawg11]

man Hill's comments were pretty harsh.

They were harsh, but it is not like we are going to get quality prospects out of Oxford anyway.

[gravedigger]

Too early offers are a fact of life. That kid has nearly 2 months to get an offer. Msu did nothing wrong but piss off a coach. **** him

[messageboardsuperhero]

That Oxford high school coach was just looking for a way to bitch about MSU- in fact, we're openly trying to find a new school for Liggins so he isn't left out in the cold.

Also, UM does this too. http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2012/07/30/ole-miss-revokes-scholarship-offer-to-georgia-lb-because-of-knee-injury/

[deltadawg99]

I wish Liggins the best, but I was far from impressed watching him play in the state championship game.

Kinda funny how there has never been any mention of OM doing the same thing.

[hells bells]

Too early offers are a fact of life. That kid has nearly 2 months to get an offer. Msu did nothing wrong but piss off a coach. **** him

Happens all the time. These players know this. So, why is Freeze not going after this guy coach Hill. Agreed there is more to this story.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's not the clarion ledgers fault, it's not the Oxford coach's fault (even though he is an Ole Miss fan), it's our staff's fault for offering this kid too early. The staff did what they had to do by pulling the offer, but you have to be prepared for the blow-back. We need to be smarter and more judicious with our early offers.

Talent evaluation isn't this easy. Mistakes will be made, especially early. But honestly, I would rather have to deal with this blow back than losing out on a Chris Jones because we didn't offer early.

[HoopsDawg]

Talent evaluation isn't this easy. Mistakes will be made, especially early. But honestly, I would rather have to deal with this blow back than losing out on a Chris Jones because we didn't offer early.

Even in shorts at a camp, Chris Jones and Liggins aren't on the same planet much less ballpark. It's a fine line, b/c if you want to make commits honor their commitment, you have to do the same for them and you can't make a habit of pissing off MS high school coaches.

[Political Hack]

Four and One.

Our State.

[Bo Darville]

Where was the CL article when Ole Miss dropped Quintavious Knight?

[BeastMan]

I wrote a response to this story http://3rdand57.com/the-dropping-a-recruit-backlash/

[BeastMan]

Where was the CL article when Ole Miss dropped Quintavious Knight?

Is he an instate kid?

[Statefan]

Where was the CL article when Ole Miss dropped Quintavious Knight?

Everyone needs to tweet this at Talty and blow up his phone

[Political Hack]

or when SP claimed to know what commitment meant. or when the ride occurred. Or when they grey shirted the best QB since Jason Campbell.

[HoopsDawg]

Everyone needs to tweet this at Talty and blow up his phone

No, that's what he wants. Hits to his website. Just let the story die.

[gravedigger]

Bullshit. Players go where they want and teams offer who they want and the whole thing changes every day. Commitment means nothing either way. You have one pollyannish wY of thinking if you think kids shy away from schools who pull offers.

[Political Hack]

I wrote a response to this story http://3rdand57.com/the-dropping-a-recruit-backlash/

logical perspective... but everyone should still cancel their membership. That rag has been a Rebel propaganda outlet since before segregation.

[BeastMan]

logical perspective... but everyone should still cancel their membership. That rag has been a Rebel propaganda outlet since before segregation.

Haha. I'm just basing my opinion on a few things. Last year we dropped Scott Austin and Talty didn't write anything negative about it. That's probably b/c Coach Shannon didn't give quotes like that. I can assure you he was just as pissed. Coach Hill's quotes are what make that story a bomb, not Talty writing it. Those quotes are what is garnering this attention. I don't care for those types of stories and gave logical reasons why but it isn't on Talty imo

[Political Hack]

oh I get it. If I was Coach Hill I would be spitting mad. People who know me know that it's 100% kids first.

Coach Shannon knew it was more a question of grades and not being able to risk that spot on someone who wasn't certainly going to make it. I was PO'd about Austin still, but understood it. He has more upside than anyone we signed last year at WR outside of Ross and Wilson, IMO. He's a developmental guy though that will take 2-3 years to mature and he needs to get tougher, but at 6'4" and 4.5, he's 100% a take if his grades are squared away.

All that said, if anyone cancels their support of that paper over this, it's a win for the maroon and white.

[Goat Holder]

^^Only MSU fans think like this. We give everybody else the benefit of the doubt. All other schools would be circling the wagons.

[BeastMan]

Good points Hack. My stance is that it doesn't matter what schools, coaches, or newspaper writers write this type of story. College coaches cannot comment on recruits so they always look bad in these stories. That's my only issue but I can't hold that against Talty b/c he is expected to write those stories and get those quotes, regardless if I care for them or not. I've read very similar articles from the ALC recruiting writer with different names and schools but they all come out sounding the same.

[HailState39110]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20131214/SPORTS05/312140040/Pulled-scholarship-offers-adverse-effect

Every school in the country has to do this sometimes, but the Talty and Co. call us out for it.

our coaches need to do a better job with boarder line talent, and not offer guys like this so early in the process. If they are suspect SEC talent slow play them, then if you miss on a few guys that you are after , then offer a guy like Liggins late in the game. It was the same thing with Scott Austin last year.

[Dawgfan77]

Beastman. I read your blog and it was on point however, the context of this story is that Bama auburn lsu and yes even OM drops players for one reason or another. Those coaches get pissed as well but you don't see other newspapers writers go after those college coaches. This was orchestrated and it smells of bear shit. We have the egg we have the MO in recruiting right now. What better way to stall our MO than to take an OM fan coach in the town of Oxford to bad mouth us If its not Then i expect Talty to track down some cruits OM dropped and pissed of the HS coach

[Political Hack]

our coaches need to do a better job with boarder line talent, and not offer guys like this so early in the process. If they are suspect SEC talent slow play them, then if you miss on a few guys that you are after , then offer a guy like Liggins late in the game. It was the same thing with Scott Austin last year.

so does every other coach in the sec though. they need an early signing period to help get rid of the BS games.

[Bigedawg]

Exactly. I wouldn't have a problem with Talty's article if he wrote articles about other instances of this happening with other schools, namely OM. It's obvious the coach is stirring a stink because he lives in Oxford and is a bear. Most coaches would handle this behind closed doors and not run to the media. On the other hand, most media outlets would not report it because it is a non story. How any MSU fan can defend Talty is hard mind boggling to me, but to each his own. Now that we have recaptured the momentum, it is going to be a wild ride through the dead period and into signing day. Full spin mode is in effect.

[BulldogBear]

Opening salvo in the recruiting war which will lead to TSUN's natty in February. They got a ton of those. Still waiting to see it translate to the field. Egg Bowl backlash. Nothing more.

[The Croom Diaries]

I agree with Beast man that you shouldn't blame Talty for reporting the news - and an HS not letting MSU talk to his players anymore is news. But the C/L is another story, y'all probably know more than me. They tried to put the fire out on the Mathis story in the summer of '12 after the AJC reported it. http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2012/07/30/explaining-last-weeks-cuts/ It would be one thing it they reported negative news for both sides, but not just one. I'm not sure if Talty was around when Mathis was dropped.

[BeastMan]

Everyone is making good points here but imo the reason this story is blowing up is b/c of the coaches quotes. That's Coach Hill and not Talty. Yall act like Talty is out to get MSU. Do yall not remember the shit storm he encountered for writing a story about Marlon Humphrey and his Ole Miss-KKK tweets? I read all Talty's articles, not just the ones that end up on MSU boards that piss MSU fans off. If you look at his entire context of work, he is pretty dang even

[Vandownbytheriver]

This is the reaction you're going to get when you push a kid to commit to steal him from the Rebel's backyard. It's a shitty deal know matter who the kid is. And for all of you thinking Johnny Hill has a hard on to bash State, you're dead wrong. Johnny just wants the best for his kids. If it was Ole Miss, Alabama, FSU, anyone Johnny would say the same shit. He's an old school coach who hates recruiting. He's the complete opposite of that asshole from South Panola. I live in Oxford and know Johnny Hill, he's not a Bear trying to stir shit. He's pissed a college staff dropped this kid because they won one meaningful game all year and know think they are ****ing recruiting rock stars.

[RougeDawg]

Everyone is making good points here but imo the reason this story is blowing up is b/c of the coaches quotes. That's Coach Hill and not Talty. Yall act like Talty is out to get MSU. Do yall not remember the shit storm he encountered for writing a story about Marlon Humphrey and his Ole Miss-KKK tweets? I read all Talty's articles, not just the ones that end up on MSU boards that piss MSU fans off. If you look at his entire context of work, he is pretty dang even

There is a stark difference in the article you reference and this one about Liggins. One was about a top recruits perspective on a historically racist university who only accepts minorities if they ate athletes (if you disagree, you haven't visited oxfird). The latter article is a bias slant on something that happens all over the country every year. It even happens at OM but there aren't any articles about those pulled schollys.

Don't compare two completely irrelevant topics when one is common and one is a morally historic tragedy, that is terrible.

[gravedigger]

No. Sorry. Unless he was looking to be fired he would NOT tell bama or auburn or lsu staffs they are not welcome. The coach is grandstanding to a fan base.

Future kids on his teams will have offers pulled. He bans every staff and some parents are going to tell him to pound sand.

[Vandownbytheriver]

No. Sorry. Unless he was looking to be fired he would NOT tell bama or auburn or lsu staffs they are not welcome. The coach is grandstanding to a fan base.

Future kids on his teams will have offers pulled. He bans every staff and some parents are going to tell him to pound sand.

You obviously don't know Johnny Hill. Keep on believing that. Johnny cares about one football program, his. And he's the AD at Oxford. He gonna fire himself?

[Political Hack]

yeah, he just cut his kids chances to get a legitimate instate D1 football scholarship by 33%. that's a boneheaded move, although it would be hard for me to bite my tongue in that situation too. if he were smart, he would've spoke his mind without "banning" MSU's staff from his school.

[Vandownbytheriver]

If I was a parent, I'd be happy my kids coach defended him. If this was the coach at Starkville High, he'd be a hero.

[BeastMan]

There is a stark difference in the article you reference and this one about Liggins. One was about a top recruits perspective on a historically racist university who only accepts minorities if they ate athletes (if you disagree, you haven't visited oxfird). The latter article is a bias slant on something that happens all over the country every year. It even happens at OM but there aren't any articles about those pulled schollys.

Don't compare two completely irrelevant topics when one is common and one is a morally historic tragedy, that is terrible.

The article about Marlon Humphrey had nothing to do with "moral historic tragedy" etc... I'm as big as an MSU guy as you will ever meet but that my friend is a colossal stretch. Marlon Humphrey made a tweet, that while I laugh at it, it had no business being written about in a newspaper. It would be like a CJ Johnson tweeting "Stankville a dump. it sucks" and a paper writing an article about how the town of starkville isn't helpful to recruiting b/c of image yada yada. This article had flaming quotes from a MS HS coach. Of course a ms recruiting writer is going to publish those quotes. There is absolutely zero "biased slant" from Talty in that article.

[gravedigger]

He tells every staff they are not welcome who pulls an offer and he's an idiot, which I don't think he is. He did this because if the school who did it.

Now I will stand corrected if he stays consistent and reacts the same way towards every school but both of us know that won't happen.

If a parent wants the most opportunities for their kid, they don't want some jack ass like that running recruiting staffs away.

Lastly, if your ad example were correct bob Tyler would still be coach at state since he'd never have fired himself.

[RougeDawg]

The article about Marlon Humphrey had nothing to do with "moral historic tragedy" etc... I'm as big as an MSU guy as you will ever meet but that my friend is a colossal stretch. Marlon Humphrey made a tweet, that while I laugh at it, it had no business being written about in a newspaper. It would be like a CJ Johnson tweeting "Stankville a dump. it sucks" and a paper writing an article about how the town of starkville isn't helpful to recruiting b/c of image yada yada. This article had flaming quotes from a MS HS coach. Of course a ms recruiting writer is going to publish those quotes. There is absolutely zero "biased slant" from Talty in that article.

So a historically racist university who's history clearly shows this is not a tragedy? Their connection with kkk and Humphrey drawing a conclusion about it is no where ducking close to pulling a scholly. He was simply stating what most others see when they see "Ole Miss" (the true definition and meaning). Colonel reb. The rebel flag. Etc. That's what Marlon was pointing out. It's not the same as saying Starkville sucks. It would be on par of a tweet of a recruit tweeting that a state fan yelled a racial slur at the tailgate. Come on dude. Think a little.

[gravedigger]

Yes it's a tragedy, no, it's not what Beast was saying. He's saying a newspaper article about a kids tweet is pointless because of the insignificance of tweets. It's too common and not really news. Just like Talty's mistake was to get a coach's opinion on this situation when it happens so often, all hs school coaches hate it and the other side is unable to respond.

[RougeDawg]

Yes it's a tragedy, no, it's not what Beast was saying. He's saying a newspaper article about a kids tweet is pointless because of the insignificance of tweets. It's too common and not really news. Just like Talty's mistake was to get a coach's opinion on this situation when it happens so often, all hs school coaches hate it and the other side is unable to respond.

Being historically racist isn't tragic? No person deserves to be subject to that. I'm saying the racism and their history snd want to hang on to it is tragic.

[Todd4State]

A lot of the problem is the 25 player signing limit. They need to up it to 30.

Football has evolved where there are more specialty positions- H-back, Slot WR, Pass rush specialist, Hybrid defender, etc. But on top of that, they don't give coaches a lot leeway to take chances on players like Liggins and Austin. And as a result, sometimes those are the guys that end up getting cut, and that hurts the player more than anything. Kudos to our staff for helping guys like Liggins and Austin find places to go once they are cut.

But as a coach, they have to do what they think is best for their team and program, and they have to do it within the limit. I think a 30 man limit would also come close to if not totally eliminate gray shirting as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

A lot of the problem is the 25 player signing limit. They need to up it to 30.

Football has evolved where there are more specialty positions- H-back, Slot WR, Pass rush specialist, Hybrid defender, etc. But on top of that, they don't give coaches a lot leeway to take chances on players like Liggins and Austin. And as a result, sometimes those are the guys that end up getting cut, and that hurts the player more than anything. Kudos to our staff for helping guys like Liggins and Austin find places to go once they are cut.

But as a coach, they have to do what they think is best for their team and program, and they have to do it within the limit. I think a 30 man limit would also come close to if not totally eliminate gray shirting as well.

It makes sense for it to be 30 for football reasons, but as an MSU fan I would prefer for it to stay at 25. If it goes to 30, that is just 5 more good players that will Bama and LSU offers.

[Vandownbytheriver]

A lot of the problem is the 25 player signing limit. They need to up it to 30.

Football has evolved where there are more specialty positions- H-back, Slot WR, Pass rush specialist, Hybrid defender, etc. But on top of that, they don't give coaches a lot leeway to take chances on players like Liggins and Austin. And as a result, sometimes those are the guys that end up getting cut, and that hurts the player more than anything. Kudos to our staff for helping guys like Liggins and Austin find places to go once they are cut.

But as a coach, they have to do what they think is best for their team and program, and they have to do it within the limit. I think a 30 man limit would also come close to if not totally eliminate gray shirting as well.

Knowing the family, they have not helped Darrius find a place. In fact, they have not even reached out to him since this happened.

[Todd4State]

It makes sense for it to be 30 for football reasons, but as an MSU fan I would prefer for it to stay at 25. If it goes to 30, that is just 5 more good players that will Bama and LSU offers.

Maybe, but I suspect that Bama and LSU will mainly spend those offers on local kids and legacies.

[Vandownbytheriver]

This is not one of those times where I'm assuming what's happening. I know all of what is going on. Liggins being dropped is just a part of recruiting. The staff said they would help find him a new home, so far they have done nothing. It was a to save face thing. Johnny Hill doesn't give two shits about pandering to the ole miss fan base. He cares about his kids and his kids alone. Y'all can spin it however you want to make it seem like Talty and Hill are the bad guys here. The fact is we pushed the kid to commit, he did, shut down his recruiting and then we dropped him. Hill has a right to be pissed. And from what all you guys say all the time anyhow, why should State care about Oxford kids cause they all are going to Ole Miss eventually anyhow.

[Oxfordawg]

I think Marlon is a smart kid. Step back and look at a OM game there crowd is at least 98% white they still burn signs and shout racial slurs. The fact is if your not a athlete I'm pretty dang sure it would not be hard to find their true core of how truly racist there student body is. Hell ride around the college areas of town count how many confederate flags hang from windows or there flag poles. They prey on the poor and under privileged for there on self gain. Pretty much like the ones who built those large plantation homes did.

[BossDawg]

No, that's what he wants. Hits to his website. Just let the story die.

Screw that noise. It's not gonna die. They're gonna keep on setting this gigantic double standard until they get tired of people riding their asses about the biased bullshit. I say hound the hell out of them.

[gravedigger]

Being historically racist isn't tragic? No person deserves to be subject to that. I'm saying the racism and their history snd want to hang on to it is tragic.

Let me say it as literally with as many helpful hints as I can give.


Yes, everyone knows that racism is a tragedy, tragic and even the historical kind. Beast knows it, the clarion ledger knows it, I know it, and it's pretty evident you know it.

NO, racism is not the reason Beast was critical of the article.

Before we go beyond this point. Do you understand?

[Political Hack]

Knowing the family, they have not helped Darrius find a place. In fact, they have not even reached out to him since this happened.

the coach, even while ripping state, said they were helping him find a spot though???

[BeastMan]

Being historically racist isn't tragic? No person deserves to be subject to that. I'm saying the racism and their history snd want to hang on to it is tragic.

I completely understand that Ole Miss has a past and I'm pretty sure it gets used against them regularly in recruiting. I'm not an Ole Miss fan so I really don't care if it does get used. It's their job to overcome it.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore but I'm going to disagree with you. I don't think Marlon Humphprey, a 17 year old, was making giving deep racial commentary about Oxford, MS in less than 140 characters. He made a dig. As a State fan, I thought it was funny. This is the thing though. You can't take Talty's article then and give him praise for "sticking it to the Bears" and now say that he's a biased Bear spin machine. He's done article that both fan-bases have given him grief over.

[BeastMan]

Let me say it as literally with as many helpful hints as I can give.


Yes, everyone knows that racism is a tragedy, tragic and even the historical kind. Beast knows it, the clarion ledger knows it, I know it, and it's pretty evident you know it.

NO, racism is not the reason Beast was critical of the article.

Before we go beyond this point. Do you understand?

el oh el

ETA- I wasn't really even being critical of it. Just pointing to an instances where Ole Miss fans got up in arms to illustrate that he isn't some anti-MSU biased writer. You can't praise one article as being great and another as biased spin is all I'm saying.

[PassInterference]

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20131214/SPORTS05/312140040/Pulled-scholarship-offers-adverse-effect

Every school in the country has to do this sometimes, but the Talty and Co. call us out for it.

Time to pull out Hugh Freeze's well documented pattern of cutting players after they are used for their recruiting contacts. Freeze cuts 'em after they are already on scholarship. That's a lot worse. And let's not forget the Houston Nutt rule put in when Nutt over signed a zillion player at Ole Miss.

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?7059-Freeze-s-use-amp-abuse-pattern-continues


As was posted here today, Ole Miss dismissed Anthony Standifer. Standifer was Treadwell's high school teammate & buddy. During his recruitment, it was thought that he and Treadwell would follow each other around (just one anecdote here - http://mgorecruit.blogspot.com/2011/...decommits.html ).

Ole Miss obviously thought the same. Why else would Ole Miss be drawn to a 3 star player from Illinois? To help lure Treadwell of course.

Ole Miss got Treadwell and now Ole Miss doesn't need Standifer. So Standifer was dismissed. A young man lost out on a 4 year chance with a team and a school that wanted him because Ole Miss lied to him. Ole Miss used him to get to Treadwell. Then threw Standifer away like trash.

Recruits that are friends will high profile recruits need to beware of Ole Miss. Friends of high profile recruits, or anyone with access to a high profile recruit, is a target for use & abuse by the Ole Miss rebels.

Standifer isn't alone.

Ole Miss did the same to Stewart Summers whose dad had tried to get Robert Nkemdichie's dad a job at UMC. In hindsight, it looks like a MS Ethics Commission investigation scared that deal away. Regardless, Ole Miss got RN and surprise, Summers was dismissed from the Ole Miss football team.

Brassell was brought back to the team long enough for them to acquire Conner. Then surprise, Brassell was dismissed.

This history needs to go out to every friend-of-a-playah they try to croot.



Somebody tweet that to Talty.

[Vandownbytheriver]

the coach, even while ripping state, said they were helping him find a spot though???

Who would you believe, Will Redmond or the staff and newspaper man?

And Johnny never says that, talty infers it. Here's the quote.
Oxford coach Johnny Hill doesn?t accept MSU?s rationale, despite the SEC school?s work to help Liggins find a new destination.

[Ronny]

...I expect the Clarion-Ledger to be a propaganda leaflet for Miss. State athletics.

And if the CL waivers in that mission, they should be met with mass cancellations.

/dumbass/

[Political Hack]

Who would you believe, Will Redmond or the staff and newspaper man?

point taken.

[Political Hack]

...I expect the Clarion-Ledger to be a propaganda leaflet for Miss. State athletics.

And if the CL waivers in that mission, they should be met with mass cancellations.

/dumbass/

they should not pander to one school or the other. I've had arguments with people who write there and they've told me that their proposed titles have been changed that misrepresent the story they've written. it's an OK rag. Period.

[maroonmania]

Everyone is making good points here but imo the reason this story is blowing up is b/c of the coaches quotes. That's Coach Hill and not Talty. Yall act like Talty is out to get MSU. Do yall not remember the shit storm he encountered for writing a story about Marlon Humphrey and his Ole Miss-KKK tweets? I read all Talty's articles, not just the ones that end up on MSU boards that piss MSU fans off. If you look at his entire context of work, he is pretty dang even

I don't give a shit what a HS coach in MS says, the point is if OM was the subject matter the CL would NOT print this kind of garbage article. This is the kind of RANDOM negative story that really isn't even news that the CL is eager to run about MSU but would kill in a heartbeat if OM was the target. Heck, they are hard pressed to print REAL news that is negative on OM much less manufactured tripe like this.

[OldFatDog]

This is not one of those times where I'm assuming what's happening. I know all of what is going on. Liggins being dropped is just a part of recruiting. The staff said they would help find him a new home, so far they have done nothing. It was a to save face thing. Johnny Hill doesn't give two shits about pandering to the ole miss fan base. He cares about his kids and his kids alone. Y'all can spin it however you want to make it seem like Talty and Hill are the bad guys here. The fact is we pushed the kid to commit, he did, shut down his recruiting and then we dropped him. Hill has a right to be pissed. And from what all you guys say all the time anyhow, why should State care about Oxford kids cause they all are going to Ole Miss eventually anyhow.

How do you know? The staff might have made 187 calls on Liggins behalf and struck out so far. You simply don't know what the staff has done or not done and shouldn't comment on that aspect.

[FlabLoser]

they should not pander to one school or the other. I've had arguments with people who write there and they've told me that their proposed titles have been changed that misrepresent the story they've written. it's an OK rag. Period.


I also know this to be true. The editor picks the titles.

[Vandownbytheriver]

How do you know? The staff might have made 187 calls on Liggins behalf and struck out so far. You simply don't know what the staff has done or not done and shouldn't comment on that aspect.

If they have, they have not contacted Johnny, Darrius or his family. And it's a message board. That's why it's here. To comment. That's what that thing you wrote is called.

[gravedigger]

"So far they've done nothing" is not synonymous with "so far they've not contacted the family".

Just sayin

[OldFatDog]

"So far they've done nothing" is not synonymous with "so far they've not contacted the family".

Just sayin

Exactly. Two very different statements. People should avoid making definitive statements (comments .... you know, on a message board) when they don't know the facts. And no one on this thread knows what the MSU staff has or has not done on Liggins' behalf.

[hacker]

He's pissed a college staff dropped this kid because they won one meaningful game all year and know think they are ****ing recruiting rock stars.

what the ****?

[Todd4State]

If they have, they have not contacted Johnny, Darrius or his family. And it's a message board. That's why it's here. To comment. That's what that thing you wrote is called.

Let's be honest and logical here for a second. We're getting ready for a bowl. They're kind of busy. The MSU coaches have all January to find him a place to play. Absolute worst case scenario is ULL with Hud probably. Our coaches have a history of helping recruits in this situation find places to go- odds are good they will continue to do so.

I'm sure getting cut from MSU is something that is not pleasant to go through- giving Liggins some time to see if other options is probably in his best interest. Rather than- "hey, we're cutting you, so you're going to ULL now." Who knows? Maybe Memphis, USM, Ole Miss, etc. will offer him.

Let's give our coaches time to help him out before we go off on them.

[RougeDawg]

...I expect the Clarion-Ledger to be a propaganda leaflet for Miss. State athletics.

And if the CL waivers in that mission, they should be met with mass cancellations.

/dumbass/

Well start tallying up the articles for each program and prove him wrong. The way it is now, there are far more negative articals and jabs at State from the CL than OM. Period. They will throw state under the bus at any chance but not do the same when OM does the same thing they were bashing state about. If they are unbiased, they should write similar articles about somolar situation for each school.

[ShotgunDawg]

Can we get Starkville High School's head coach to come come and say that Ole Miss is banned from Starkville High School? That would be sweet**

[Political Hack]

Can we get Starkville High School's head coach to come come and say that Ole Miss is banned from Starkville High School? That would be sweet**

We save those guys for compliance issues.

[Bully13]

This is the reaction you're going to get when you push a kid to commit to steal him from the Rebel's backyard. It's a shitty deal know matter who the kid is. And for all of you thinking Johnny Hill has a hard on to bash State, you're dead wrong. Johnny just wants the best for his kids. If it was Ole Miss, Alabama, FSU, anyone Johnny would say the same shit. He's an old school coach who hates recruiting. He's the complete opposite of that asshole from South Panola. I live in Oxford and know Johnny Hill, he's not a Bear trying to stir shit. He's pissed a college staff dropped this kid because they won one meaningful game all year and know think they are ****ing recruiting rock stars.

care to bash our program even more? "****ing recruiting rock stars"? if you don't think this coach has a hard on to bash state, then YOU are dead wrong. if ole miss was the school that did this, this ****tard coach would never have said these things to talty or told ole miss they were no longer welcomed on the campus. if he cares about his players, he wouldn't keep any SEC coach off the campus thus reducing their opportunities for a scholly.

based on some of your past rants like calling mullen a hunched back retard, and your residence being in oxford, your motives over here are becoming more clear.

[dawgoneyall]

What is your thought on his playing his son instead of the better QB.

All about the kids?

[maroonmania]

Well start tallying up the articles for each program and prove him wrong. The way it is now, there are far more negative articals and jabs at State from the CL than OM. Period. They will throw state under the bus at any chance but not do the same when OM does the same thing they were bashing state about. If they are unbiased, they should write similar articles about somolar situation for each school.

You will be hard pressed to find ANY negative articles EVER on anything OM related from the CL that is not directly tied to a sporting event. THAT is the difference right there.

[Vandownbytheriver]

care to bash our program even more? "****ing recruiting rock stars"? if you don't think this coach has a hard on to bash state, then YOU are dead wrong. if ole miss was the school that did this, this ****tard coach would never have said these things to talty or told ole miss they were no longer welcomed on the campus. if he cares about his players, he wouldn't keep any SEC coach off the campus thus reducing their opportunities for a scholly.

based on some of your past rants like calling mullen a hunched back retard, and your residence being in oxford, your motives over here are becoming more clear.

Yeah, you got me. Everyone knows I'm an Ole Miss fan. Just ask Hack, Southms, stoms, Coach, etc. I've been found out. You are aware that there are a bunch of State fans here right?

And Johnny would have said the same shit to Freeze. Do you even know the guy?

[Coach34]

Johnny Hill is not some big OM homer- I'm sure he is genuinely pissed. It's the reporting that bothers me- because that shit never would have been written about OM doing it

[John Farley]

Strictly my opinion here. But being mad at the CL is ok. They pushed the issue. But I think everyone here would want their local high school coach to have their kids back.

[Vandownbytheriver]

Johnny Hill is not some big OM homer- I'm sure he is genuinely pissed. It's the reporting that bothers me- because that shit never would have been written about OM doing it

This I agree with.

[Political Hack]

Strictly my opinion here. But being mad at the CL is ok. They pushed the issue. But I think everyone here would want their local high school coach to have their kids back.

good perspective.

[Bigedawg]

There is no way Hill would have aired out the Bear coaching staff to the CL. Absolutely no way. I don't care how well anyone here knows the man. I have no problem with him having his players' backs, but he would have not aired Freeze out publicly, if he likes working in Oxford. It doesn't matter if he is the AD. The school board would not have stood for such regarding the hometown school. It was a nice way to make MSU look bad and gain some favor in the local community. I feel for the kid but I dont think the article has helped his cause in any way.

[Bully13]

Johnny Hill is not some big OM homer- I'm sure he is genuinely pissed. It's the reporting that bothers me- because that shit never would have been written about OM doing it

I doubt Hill would have fed the talty, CL, agenda driven beast had it been ole miss. Therefore yes, he is an ole miss homer.

[ShotgunDawg]

Johnny Hill is not some big OM homer- I'm sure he is genuinely pissed. It's the reporting that bothers me- because that shit never would have been written about OM doing it

I don't disagree with this, but it's a really "redneck, low class" type response by Hill. I realize he is just taking up for his kid, but banning MSU from the school is statement by a person that lacks big picture views on things.

In the actual letter that the Football Office sends a prospect, it says, "This offer is contingent upon your continuance to improve and play football at a high level."

Now, I realize that doesn't make things any easier, but there is a way to back your kid but still have enough respect for the job and tough decisions that SEC football coaches have to do.

Hill may not be an Ole Miss homer, but he is a redneck that lacks perspective.

[bully99]

If you read talty on the Cl, his blog and twitter, you can only come to one conclusion. He's a stooge for ole Miss.

[notsofarawaydawg]

Yeah, you got me. Everyone knows I'm an Ole Miss fan. Just ask Hack, Southms, stoms, Coach, etc. I've been found out. You are aware that there are a bunch of State fans here right?

And Johnny would have said the same shit to Freeze. Do you even know the guy?

I know that ****tard Hill well and he's always made it clear he's an Ole Miss homer. He hates Mississippi State with a passion. He practically threw out winning a state championship at Tupelo just so his son could be a starter on the football team. He cares about no one but himself. It's a known fact that in the past when he was head coach of all-star football teams, he was constantly recruiting for Ole Miss and trying to help flip other school's commits to Ole Miss. So yeah, I know him and he's a piece of shit.

[Bigedawg]

I know that ****tard Hill well and he's always made it clear he's an Ole Miss homer. He hates Mississippi State with a passion. He practically threw out winning a state championship at Tupelo just so his son could be a starter on the football team. He cares about no one but himself. It's a known fact that in the past when he was head coach of all-star football teams, he was constantly recruiting for Ole Miss and trying to help flip other school's commits to Ole Miss. So yeah, I know him and he's a piece of shit.

Boom. Game blouses.