SEC baseball stats at the halfway point

[Coach34]

Hitting:

6th in average
6th in HR's
11th in OBP(this needs to improve)
9th in Runs scored

Pitching:

5th in ERA
5th in K's
4th in BB's
1st in BA against

Fielding:

14th in fielding percentage
16th in double plays turned
14th in SB's allowed
15th in caught stealing

[Goldendawg]

Knew defense was bad. Is Hutzler involved as a volunteer coach after football practice?*****

[Coursesuper]

Well it’s obvious where we have lost games isn’t it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hitting:

6th in average
6th in HR's
11th in OBP(this needs to improve)
9th in Runs scored

Pitching:

5th in ERA
5th in K's
4th in BB's
1st in BA against

Fielding:

14th in fielding percentage
16th in double plays turned
14th in SB's allowed
15th in caught stealing

It's actually incredible how poorly we field. You almost have to try to be that bad. I mean we're an SEC baseball team and have 19 errors in 15 games.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Knew defense was bad. Is Hutzler involved as a volunteer coach after football practice?*****

Rhoades and McIntyre being here has given Hutzler time to help with his true passion, the middle infield. He's been working with Dylan Cupp this year on his fielding. Said he saw some areas he could improve****

[Coach34]

It's actually incredible how poorly we field. You almost have to try to be that bad. I mean we're an SEC baseball team and have 19 errors in 15 games.

We are a team of 1st basemen. Hines/Stevens/Sully/Stallman are all 1st basemen. 3 of these guys are playing out of position. Us not signing a legit OF'er- especially for CF- was probably the biggest mistake we made in the portal

[Cooterpoot]

Cupp sucking and taking forever to settle 2B killed the fielding. Maybe we improve there some on the back stretch.

[Santiago]

Is there a stat for base running, and running into 3rd outs?

What I see in these stats, is good players, but either bad coaching or baseball IQ or both.

[Cooterpoot]

Is there a stat for base running, and running into 3rd outs?

What I see in these stats, is good players, but either bad coaching or baseball IQ or both.

Part of the run total issue

[Coursesuper]

Part of the run total issue

All of it equals giving teams extra outs and the plate and taking outs away from ourselves with stupidity. This is a loser more often than not.

[confucius say]

Settling SS, 2B, and catcher helps your defense.

We had 2 errors in Tuscaloosa. That would extrapolate to 10 in 15 sec games instead of the 19 we have.

[bigbub50]

to have as many pitchers drafted as we did and still lead the sec in BA is loud

[cheewgumm]

Whoa our fielding is bad.

Who is worse? Missouri

[CaptainObvious]

Whoa our fielding is bad.

Who is worse? Missouri

The " Bad News Bears" Walter Matthau version!

[Coach34]

Whoa our fielding is bad.

Who is worse? Missouri

A&M also

[maroonmania]

In SEC games only we are actually 5th in average (.273) but 11th in runs scored (80). By comparison Texas is 10th in average (.259) but 5th in runs scored (106).

[The Federalist Engineer]

The hitting (batting average) is deceptive relative to Total Bases and Power and Runs. There are echelons of difference from Tennessee, Coggin, and Arkansas to the rest of the SEC. Then the ultimate stat of runs, those guys are 100 runs ahead. MSU is 10th in runs.

MSU is at 57 HR and Coggin is at 98 HR. With Coggins kids the size of Bryce Chance poised to hit double digits.

Also the total bases is 600 versus +700 on the best squads.

Still, it's better to be 6th in Batting Average than 10th.

MSUs best stat, 3rd in Earned Runs allowed. But only 8th in SEC play.

[maroonmania]

MSUs best stat belongs to new head coach in June, 3rd in Earned Runs allowed.

I think Justin Parker is a heck of a coach overall. I can assure you we don't have the 3rd most talented pitching staff in the SEC.

[Coach34]

I think Justin Parker is a heck of a coach overall. I can assure you we don't have the 3rd most talented pitching staff in the SEC.

we'll probably have 5 pitchers drafted in July- so yeah- we are pretty talented

and that doesnt even account for the freshmen we have

[KB21]

The hitting (batting average) is deceptive relative to Total Bases and Power and Runs. There are echelons of difference from Tennessee, Coggin, and Arkansas to the rest of the SEC. Then the ultimate stat of runs, those guys are 100 runs ahead. MSU is 10th in runs.

MSU is at 57 HR and Coggin is at 98 HR. With Coggins kids the size of Bryce Chance poised to hit double digits.

Also the total bases is 600 versus +700 on the best squads.

Still, it's better to be 6th in Batting Average than 10th.

MSUs best stat, 3rd in Earned Runs allowed. But only 8th in SEC play.

Batting average doesn't drive run creation. On base ability and slugging do drive run creation. We have some fans who like to bitch and moan about the modern game and how terrible it is to be trying to hit home runs, but that's exactly what Tennessee, Georgia, and Arkansas do. They coach to hit home runs. They work on developing a swing path that maximizes getting backspin on the ball. They encourage their hitters to hit the ball in the air and to aggressively try to drive pitches. It's not what we do at Mississippi State though.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Batting average doesn't drive run creation. On base ability and slugging do drive run creation. We have some fans who like to bitch and moan about the modern game and how terrible it is to be trying to hit home runs, but that's exactly what Tennessee, Georgia, and Arkansas do. They coach to hit home runs. They work on developing a swing path that maximizes getting backspin on the ball. They encourage their hitters to hit the ball in the air and to aggressively try to drive pitches. It's not what we do at Mississippi State though.

The Coggin, Vitello, and Van Horne kids K only marginally more and the Batting Average is about the same.

Looking at SEC only...

The Coggin crew have K'ed 40 times more but have essentially same Batting average 273 and 272. 45 more runs.

The comparison with Arkansas is even more dramatically unfavorable.

A cat we are not discussing as the new coach in June is Nate Thompson. The U Pig Recruiting Coordinator and Hitting Coach,

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/coache/nate-thompson/

[KB21]

I?ve mentioned Nate before. I mentioned that Will Coggin, Josh Elander, and Nate Thompson were the best bets at getting a potential Vitello.

I had a drug rep in my office yesterday mention Max Weiner as a guy to get. Pitching coach at Texas. Was at TAMU with Schloss last year. Background as a pro pitching coach and minor league coordinator.

[Cooterpoot]

I?ve mentioned Nate before. I mentioned that Will Coggin, Josh Elander, and Nate Thompson were the best bets at getting a potential Vitello.

I had a drug rep in my office yesterday mention Max Weiner as a guy to get. Pitching coach at Texas. Was at TAMU with Schloss last year. Background as a pro pitching coach and minor league coordinator.

I'd agree with those minus Coggin

[The Federalist Engineer]

I?ve mentioned Nate before. I mentioned that Will Coggin, Josh Elander, and Nate Thompson were the best bets at getting a potential Vitello.

I had a drug rep in my office yesterday mention Max Weiner as a guy to get. Pitching coach at Texas. Was at TAMU with Schloss last year. Background as a pro pitching coach and minor league coordinator.

I looked up Weiner, that would be just fine for 2026. Then you hire a launch angle, gorilla ball young hitting coach. Wonder if Weiner would keep Parker. They seem like similar young professionals

But if Selmon hires some Oklahoma assistant goober, I'll have to break with MSU and just fly fish on weekends.

[KB21]

I looked up Weiner, that would be just fine for 2026. Then you hire a launch angle, gorilla ball young hitting coach. Wonder if Weiner would keep Parker. They seem like similar young professionals

But if Selmon hires some Oklahoma assistant goober, I'll have to break with MSU and just fly fish on weekends.

Oklahoma doesn't have an assistant coach that is considered to be among the best at his position in college, which is very much unlike Jeff Lebby in football. Jeff was arguably the best offensive coordinator in college football when he was hired.

[Pancho]

I'd agree with those minus Coggin

what is the knock on coggin?

[BrunswickDawg]

what is the knock on coggin?

He's an angry elf who apparently "burned bridges" (even though we hired him twice)

[CaptainObvious]

Oklahoma doesn't have an assistant coach that is considered to be among the best at his position in college, which is very much unlike Jeff Lebby in football. Jeff was arguably the best offensive coordinator in college football when he was hired.

So was Joe Moorhead!

[Coach34]

Ya’ll gonna be sad when Lemon keeps his job. We gonna win 2/3 this weekend

[Todd4State]

Ya’ll gonna be sad when Lemon keeps his job. We gonna win 2/3 this weekend

Work to do and still not out of the woods yet but if I was betting on it that would be my guess as to what is most likely to happen.

Really, at this point I'm more curious about potential changes in the offseason. I think that's much more likely than Lemonis getting fired. Especially in light of the drastic difference between Parker and Foxhall and what a similar potential change could mean on the offensive side of the ball and on defense and portal recruiting as well.

[Todd4State]

The Coggin, Vitello, and Van Horne kids K only marginally more and the Batting Average is about the same.

Looking at SEC only...

The Coggin crew have K'ed 40 times more but have essentially same Batting average 273 and 272. 45 more runs.

The comparison with Arkansas is even more dramatically unfavorable.

A cat we are not discussing as the new coach in June is Nate Thompson. The U Pig Recruiting Coordinator and Hitting Coach,

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/coache/nate-thompson/

The crazy thing about Georgia is you look at their stats and Coggin's offense has slightly more strikeouts than we do BUT they have double the amount of home runs.

[Todd4State]

what is the knock on coggin?

Cann ran him down when he was our hitting coach and basically fired him and then hired Gautreau. A lot of fans also got upset because of how he acted during the Johnny Long incident with Georgia last year- which is really a nothingburger.

Personally, I think bringing him back on staff might be a good move because a contrast in coaching personalities might be good. All of our assistant coaches are fairly laid back. I'm not saying that they don't ever yell at the players for bad performances because Lemonis is known for that behind closed doors. But having a coach that is an "asshole" that the players respect and is going to push guys to work could be really good for MSU. That's essentially what we had with Cohen (asshole) and Butch/Lane (laid back) and then as an added bonus we had Mingione (goofball).

Someone that can give our players a little bit of edge could be good.

[KB21]

Cann ran him down when he was our hitting coach and basically fired him and then hired Gautreau. A lot of fans also got upset because of how he acted during the Johnny Long incident with Georgia last year- which is really a nothingburger.

Personally, I think bringing him back on staff might be a good move because a contrast in coaching personalities might be good. All of our assistant coaches are fairly laid back. I'm not saying that they don't ever yell at the players for bad performances because Lemonis is known for that behind closed doors. But having a coach that is an "asshole" that the players respect and is going to push guys to work could be really good for MSU. That's essentially what we had with Cohen (asshole) and Butch/Lane (laid back) and then as an added bonus we had Mingione (goofball).

Someone that can give our players a little bit of edge could be good.

To add, Cann doesn't have the best history as a decision maker. That's beyond obvious. However, as bad as John Cohen was as an AD at identifying coaches, he was great at identifying assistant coaches for baseball when he was the head coach. Lane Burroughs, Nick Mingione, Butch Thompson, and now Wes Johnson are all coaches he had on staff at Mississippi State that have become successful head coaches, with three of them being in the SEC. Cohen hired Will Coggin as an assistant coach twice. Coggin was then hired by both Mingione and Johnson. He's a hot name right now and is generally considered to be among the best, if not the best, hitting coaches in college baseball right now. He's got some juice as a recruiter. I don't think you will get him in a lateral move.

[Coach34]

He's a hot name right now and is generally considered to be among the best, if not the best, hitting coaches in college baseball right now. He's got some juice as a recruiter. I don't think you will get him in a lateral move.

Correct. He's not leaving Georgia for the same job here. His next move is to HC

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ya’ll gonna be sad when Lemon keeps his job. We gonna win 2/3 this weekend

I would hope no one is sad that we're improving and winning. Although you are right that we'll have people that will be mad we're, hopefully, turning a corner.

[Coach34]

I would hope no one is sad that we're improving and winning. Although you are right that we'll have people that will be mad we're, hopefully, turning a corner.

I like this team more than last year's. They seem to get along better. Pico is a bulldog on the mound but not a showboat about it. Sully brings the juice to the offense. You see them smiling more and enjoying it than you have last couple of years. Hopefully we keep the Mo going this weekend

[StarkVegasSteve]

I like this team more than last year's. They seem to get along better. Pico is a bulldog on the mound but not a showboat about it. Sully brings the juice to the offense. You see them smiling more and enjoying it than you have last couple of years. Hopefully we keep the Mo going this weekend

They looked a lot more loose the last two weeks than they've looked all season. During the Texas series, it just kept looking like we were waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[The Federalist Engineer]

To add, Cann doesn't have the best history as a decision maker. That's beyond obvious. However, as bad as John Cohen was as an AD at identifying coaches, he was great at identifying assistant coaches for baseball when he was the head coach. Lane Burroughs, Nick Mingione, Butch Thompson, and now Wes Johnson are all coaches he had on staff at Mississippi State that have become successful head coaches, with three of them being in the SEC. Cohen hired Will Coggin as an assistant coach twice. Coggin was then hired by both Mingione and Johnson. He's a hot name right now and is generally considered to be among the best, if not the best, hitting coaches in college baseball right now. He's got some juice as a recruiter. I don't think you will get him in a lateral move.

Does not compute that Coggins would come back to save Zombie coach on a lateral move. Lemons is glowing with Toxic Radiation to any potential assistant coach.

Since he has MSU connections, he might be posting on ED right now. Maybe Coggin was "ShotgunDawg" who we all miss.

Seems the top tier of Promotable and External assistants are:

* Weiner - Texas, Schloss Coaching Tree, Pitching Coach
* Thompson - Arkansas, Van Horn Coaching Tree, Hitting Coach
* Coggins - Georgia, Cohen Coaching Tree, Self Made, Alumnus, Booneville, Hitting Coach
* Elander - Tennessee, Van Horn/Vitello Coaching Tree, Hitting Coach

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does not compute that Coggins would come back to save Zombie coach on a lateral move. Lemons is glowing with Toxic Radiation to any potential assistant coach.

Since he has MSU connections, he might be posting on ED right now. Maybe Coggin was "ShotgunDawg" who we all miss.

Seems the top tier of Promotable and External assistants are:

* Weiner - Texas, Schloss Coaching Tree, Pitching Coach
* Thompson - Arkansas, Van Horn Coaching Tree, Hitting Coach
* Coggins - Georgia, Cohen Coaching Tree, Self Made, Alumnus, Booneville, Hitting Coach
* Elander - Tennessee, Van Horn/Vitello Coaching Tree, Hitting Coach

Whatever happened to ole Gun. He posted 20-25 times a day for like a year and just dropped off the face of the earth.

[confucius say]

The crazy thing about Georgia is you look at their stats and Coggin's offense has slightly more strikeouts than we do BUT they have double the amount of home runs.

They play in a band box, too. There's a reason they are .500 on the road. And under .500 on the road in sec play. The only road sec games they've won have come at Florida, which is also a band box.
I'm going to need to see them play in some non-hitters parks and excel before I crown them.

[The Federalist Engineer]

They play in a band box, too. There's a reason they are .500 on the road. And under .500 on the road in sec play. The only road sec games they've won have come at Florida, which is also a band box.
I'm going to need to see them play in some non-hitters parks and excel before I crown them.

Other than a short Right Field Porch, Samford has bigger Outfield dimensions than the Dude.

Note, the UGA big bopper Ryand Z is right handed hitter. So was Charlie Condon. So they are hitting to the big side of the park.

[BrunswickDawg]

Other than a short Right Field Porch, Samford has bigger Outfield dimensions than the Dude.

Note, the UGA big bopper Ryand Z is right handed hitter. So was Charlie Condon. So they are hitting to the big side of the park.

Yeah - I wouldn't call UGA a band box. But, the ball has always carried very well there . Sort of like the old Launching Pad in ATL.

[confucius say]

Other than a short Right Field Porch, Samford has bigger Outfield dimensions than the Dude.

Note, the UGA big bopper Ryand Z is right handed hitter. So was Charlie Condon. So they are hitting to the big side of the park.

The ball flies out of there.
Not saying that is the only reason they hit HR, but it helps.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The ball flies out of there.
Not saying that is the only reason they hit HR, but it helps.

The last time we played in Athens, 2022 I think, Cumbest hit one that may still be going in the Saturday game. I think we hit like 7 or 8 HRs in that series. That place is just a launching pad.

[Coach34]

They played at Candy last night and lost 3-1. Coggin must not teach road HR’s

[confucius say]

The last time we played in Athens, 2022 I think, Cumbest hit one that may still be going in the Saturday game. I think we hit like 7 or 8 HRs in that series. That place is just a launching pad.

Yea launching pad is a better description than band box.

[StateDawg44]

They played at Candy last night and lost 3-1. Coggin must not teach road HR’s

Let?s hear what Lemon teaches

[Pancho]

Let?s hear what Lemon teaches

I'm all in to hear it as well. way too many of us have coached, played and watched competitive baseball for far too long to not see that what we have is a huge disaster just slowly smoking and awaiting to explode.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I'm all in to hear it as well. way too many of us have coached, played and watched competitive baseball for far too long to not see that what we have is a huge disaster just slowly smoking and awaiting to explode.

Waiting to explode? Lemonis has MSU closer to being dead last in the SEC than even middle-of-the-pack. And he has already had MSU dead last before. And second to last also. Things have already exploded, we are looking at ashes now.

[Pancho]

i was trying to be nice and proper. ashes it is

[State82]

i was trying to be nice and proper. ashes it is
This program, in its existing state, deserves absolutely nothing that is nice or proper.

[BB30]

Eh UGA's ballpark is more than a launching pad. That place plays like a softball field. Any numbers coming out of there are extremely inflated.

Our biggest issue is our team taking on our coach's persona. We don't have anyone willing to go take a game when the time comes. We disappear in big moments whether its the 4th inning or the 8th. Can't buy the big hit, can't field a gb cleanly, can't deliver with no outs and the bases loaded. There just isn't a dude on this team that will go and take a win. Everyone is just waiting for the next guy to get the job done.

[Coach34]

This is the least clutch team I've ever seen in maroon and white

[Tbonewannabe]

Eh UGA's ballpark is more than a launching pad. That place plays like a softball field. Any numbers coming out of there are extremely inflated.

Our biggest issue is our team taking on our coach's persona. We don't have anyone willing to go take a game when the time comes. We disappear in big moments whether its the 4th inning or the 8th. Can't buy the big hit, can't field a gb cleanly, can't deliver with no outs and the bases loaded. There just isn't a dude on this team that will go and take a win. Everyone is just waiting for the next guy to get the job done.

This is so damn true it hurts.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Let's look at UGA numbers vs MSU HRs

2025 - Real Dogs 66 HRs Red Dogs 105 HRs (-39)
2024 - Real Dogs 75 HRs Red Dogs 151 HRs (-76)
-------- Coggin eating at the Athens Wendy's-----
2023 - Real Dogs 91 HRs Red Dogs 101 HRs (with Condon, -10)
2022 - Real Dogs 95 HRs Red Dogs 81 HRs (+14)
2021 - Real Dogs 75 HRs Red Dogs 57 HRs (+18)
2020 - Covid Hoax
2019 - Real Dogs 64 HRs Red Dogs 75 HRs (-11)
2018 - Real Dogs 45 HRs Red Dogs 64 HRs (-19)
2017 - Real Dogs 59 HRs Red Dogs 40 HRs (+19)

It's clear that MSU and UGA used to swing within 20 HRs and randomly exchanged outperformances. Now they are strongly out-Slugging MSU. Even after the dead bat, Georgia was down in the 40s.