Zach Arnett

[BigDawg81]

Zach Arnett resigns as UNLV Defensive Coordinator due to personal reasons.

[bigbub50]

You gotta to be a tough ombr? to be ******* DC. We probably still paying him I’d guess.

[confucius say]

Geez. Hope all is ok.

[Todd4State]

Dan just improved his chances of coming back to MSU by 1%.

[Thick]

Nice!

[KB21]

Dan realized halfway through spring that Arnett stinks as a coach.

[BravesDoggy]

Arnept is a looser

[Schultzy]

Or vice v

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Or vice v

No. Not vice V.

One of them is the best football coach in our history.

The other took a 9 win team and torpedoed the entire program, then went to Ole Miss.

17 Arnett

[Cooterpoot]

Arnett would just assume farm as coach. Doesn't like time away from family. I could see Dan & him butting heads. But Dan also just said no recruiting during the season, if I'm on that staff, I want out too. Arnett is way better than the buddy system DC we got right now.

[Cowbell]

I wish nothing but the best For this man. He got put in a tough spot here and a lot of things were out of his control. Prayers for his family.

[ZedFedder]

Yeah, not sure what is going on but hope he and the fam are okay.

[Bothrops]

Dan realized halfway through spring that Arnett stinks as a coach.

He's never proven that as a DC.

[Todd4State]

Arnett would just assume farm as coach. Doesn't like time away from family. I could see Dan & him butting heads. But Dan also just said no recruiting during the season, if I'm on that staff, I want out too. Arnett is way better than the buddy system DC we got right now.

I thought it was kind of an odd fit. I wouldn't have been surprised if Dan got rid of him after a year. Six practices is a little surprising.

I wonder if Zach was slamming Dan's offensive staff like he slammed Leach's for coming in at 10:30? A DC isn't going to do that to Dan and get away with it for long.

[Todd4State]

I wish nothing but the best For this man. He got put in a tough spot here and a lot of things were out of his control. Prayers for his family.

Lying to players and their families is controllable.

[Todd4State]

He's never proven that as a DC.

He wasn't bad as a DC but he was overrated by our fans. He was certainly no Joe Lee Dunn. I'd say Ellis Johnson, Manny Diaz, and Bob Shoop were as good or better than Arnett.

[StateDawg44]

Ohhh boy, the rumor swirling on this one. 😳

[BeardoMSU]

Ohhh boy, the rumor swirling on this one. ��

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[DownwardDawg]

Ohhh boy, the rumor swirling on this one. ��

How long will it take to get the rumor to this board???

[BigDawg81]

Ohhh boy, the rumor swirling on this one. 😳
What exactly is it? lol . All I see is hamburgers

[Matt3467]

What exactly is it? lol . All I see is hamburgers

UNLV didn't have the fund to pay out his last check **

[klong-dog]

Starting to see rumors. He showed up nekkkid to Wendy's in Las Vegas? Anything more to add?

[Matt3467]

Starting to see rumors. He showed up nekkkid to Wendy's in Las Vegas? Anything more to add?

Something to do with a Baconater lol

[Dawgology]

Starting to see rumors. He showed up nekkkid to Wendy's in Las Vegas? Anything more to add?

It’s too early for this. I’m barely through my first cup of coffee

[Pancho]

must have a severe drinking issue?

[Dawgology]

Starting to see rumors. He showed up nekkkid to Wendy's in Las Vegas? Anything more to add?

Was he missing a tooth and had Mike Tyson’s pet tiger with him?

[BankerDog]

So he isn?t one of us like so many claimed?!

[gtowndawg]

Starting to see rumors. He showed up nekkkid to Wendy's in Las Vegas? Anything more to add?

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[DownwardDawg]

So he isn?t one of us like so many claimed?!

He's the worst coach in the history of our program. He made Croom look like Saban. He dropped an F bomb on National television after a win and most adults could tell he was in way over his head.

[Todd4State]

So he isn?t one of us like so many claimed?!

Was he wearing cowboy boots when he went through the drive thru?**

[Todd4State]

Was he missing a tooth and had Mike Tyson’s pet tiger with him?

And a baby named Jose?

[DownwardDawg]

And a baby named Jose?

Haha!!!!

[KB21]

He's the worst coach in the history of our program. He made Croom look like Saban. He dropped an F bomb on National television after a win and most adults could tell he was in way over his head.

This. I will never understand the sentiment some of this fanbase still has for this guy. He's absolutely the worst. Not only did he destroy the program in one season, but he also crapped on Mike Leach's legacy in the process. I, personally, am quite enjoying his downfall.

[Todd4State]

This. I will never understand the sentiment some of this fanbase still has for this guy. He's absolutely the worst. Not only did he destroy the program in one season, but he also crapped on Mike Leach's legacy in the process. I, personally, am quite enjoying his downfall.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone fall from grace so spectacularly.

He went from DC who could do no wrong to the head coach who was "blue collar and one of us" to lying to players families and became the worst head coach at MSU I have ever seen to a traitor who went to Ole Miss to a guy ordering Baconators naked in Las Vegas.

[DEDawg]

This. I will never understand the sentiment some of this fanbase still has for this guy. He's absolutely the worst. Not only did he destroy the program in one season, but he also crapped on Mike Leach's legacy in the process. I, personally, am quite enjoying his downfall.

Set us back 3 years. what a clown

[BigDawg81]

Set us back 3 years. what a clown
You better put some or most of the blame on Kennum. It?s obvious that Arnett wasn?t ready but hired him anyway.

[DownwardDawg]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone fall from grace so spectacularly.

He went from DC who could do no wrong to the head coach who was "blue collar and one of us" to lying to players families and became the worst head coach at MSU I have ever seen to a traitor who went to Ole Miss to a guy ordering Baconators naked in Las Vegas.

It's quite the accomplishment he has achieved.

[Todd4State]

You better put some or most of the blame on Kennum. It?s obvious that Arnett wasn?t ready but hired him anyway.

Keenum has to keep the boosters happy.

I blame Keenum for not having an AD hired and for dragging his feet though.

I blame our boosters for being football dumbasses. We might as well should have hired Brad Peterson since he was basically running things anyway.

[Todd4State]

It's quite the accomplishment he has achieved.

It's impressive.

[gtowndawg]

You better put some or most of the blame on Kennum. It?s obvious that Arnett wasn?t ready but hired him anyway.

Need more emphasis on this. Keenum really screwed that up and it's cost us dearly. I'm not a Keenum hater, but that whole situation really was amateur hour.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Hopefully at this time next year UNLV's current head coach will be ours.

[BigDawg81]

Arnett pulled a Pee Wee Herman and went streaking and ended up at Wendy?s

[DownwardDawg]

Hopefully at this time next year UNLV's current head coach will be ours.

I guess anything is possible.

[DEDawg]

You better put some or most of the blame on Kennum. It?s obvious that Arnett wasn?t ready but hired him anyway.
I do. Asinine decision making

[KOdawg1]

I don't have hard feelings for Arnett. He didn't hire himself. I blame the moron that decided he should run an SEC football program.

[Todd4State]

Arnett pulled a Pee Wee Herman and went streaking and ended up at Wendy?s

Better than most of his head coaching decisions if we're being honest here.

[gtowndawg]

Hopefully at this time next year UNLV's current head coach will be ours.

I'm down to run it back with Mullen.

[R2Dawg]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone fall from grace so spectacularly.

He went from DC who could do no wrong to the head coach who was "blue collar and one of us" to lying to players families and became the worst head coach at MSU I have ever seen to a traitor who went to Ole Miss to a guy ordering Baconators naked in Las Vegas.

What was the lying to players families about? I never heard the story. Not defending him but I bet most coaches lie to players families to some degree. Most of them are moral midgets.

[BigDawg81]

Better than most of his head coaching decisions if we're being honest here.

To be honest? I would wear assless chaps for a Double Whopper with cheese and onion rings with zesty sauce at Burger King.

[Duckdog]

What was the lying to players families about? I never heard the story. Not defending him but I bet most coaches lie to players families to some degree. Most of them are moral midgets.

Oh he definitely lied to a QB

[DownwardDawg]

I don't have hard feelings for Arnett. He didn't hire himself. I blame the moron that decided he should run an SEC football program.

This is a great point. And the main reason I always make comments about the leadership at State.

[gtowndawg]

To be honest? I would wear assless chaps for a Double Whopper with cheese and onion rings with zesty sauce at Burger King.

As I recall he told the players we would be retaining the Leech offense and then of course totally changed it. No idea if true but that's what I read multiple times.

[TrapGame]

Hopefully at this time next year UNLV's current head coach will be ours.

It would be an absolute cluster****.

Selmon would have to go too. Keenum will not sign off on hiring Mullen back either.

Barring a total meltdown next season and another 2-10 finish Lebby is getting three years.

[EdwardDrayton]

He's the worst coach in the history of our program. He made Croom look like Saban. He dropped an F bomb on National television after a win and most adults could tell he was in way over his head.

Yeah that was not a good look for us.

[EdwardDrayton]

Oh man, what's the world comin' to when a dude can't go full on Monty in his own ride.

They hatin'
Patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
My music's so loud
I'm swangin'

[99jc]

Oh man, what's the world comin' to when a dude can't go full on Monty in his own ride.

They hatin'
Patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
Tryna catch me ridin' dirty
My music's so loud
I'm swangin'

I also heard he had a chicken on his lap! ***

[The Federalist Engineer]

Geoff Collins needs a job, they can get the band back together and do the A and B thing again.

[confucius say]

It would be an absolute cluster****.

Selmon would have to go too. Keenum will not sign off on hiring Mullen back either.

Barring a total meltdown next season and another 2-10 finish Lebby is getting three years.

Keemun should beg Dan to come back if lebby fails. But I actually think lebby can work.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Our AD vacancy coinciding with Leach's passing was a double whammy.

[bulldogcountry1]

I don't think I have ever seen anyone fall from grace so spectacularly.

He went from DC who could do no wrong to the head coach who was "blue collar and one of us" to lying to players families and became the worst head coach at MSU I have ever seen to a traitor who went to Ole Miss to a guy ordering Baconators naked in Las Vegas.

Ummm?I can think of another good candidate.

[Brobi-wan]

17 Arnett. I don’t know why anyone would have a different opinion.

[R2Dawg]

Oh he definitely lied to a QB

What lie did he tell Will? That he was still running the air raid? I don't think he knew what to do so I guess it is lying he had no clue.

[civildawg]

Our AD vacancy coinciding with Leach's passing was a double whammy.

That's because Keenum didn't hire an AD for like 8 months after cohen left. I blame Keenum 100% for our football problems right now

[TrapGame]

Keemun should beg Dan to come back if lebby fails. But I actually think lebby can work.

I want to see what Dan does at UNLV first. Can he navigate the Portal?

[Todd4State]

I want to see what Dan does at UNLV first. Can he navigate the Portal?

Huge question mark. I'm glad UNLV gets to test that out and not MSU.

It's interesting to me that his staff is completely different than it was at MSU. I think he has one former MSU coach on staff and that coach was actually under Moorhead. Knox and Gonzalez have settled in at MSU and he burned bridges with Hevesy and Sallach so maybe it's not that surprising.

The last thing MSU football needs right now is to FAFO.

Fair or not it looks like he made a bad choice in hiring Arnett at DC and I would say that he was about 50/50 on DC's during his time at MSU.

[Todd4State]

Keemun should beg Dan to come back if lebby fails. But I actually think lebby can work.

Why? We're a SEC school. If Lebby was fired for ordering Wendy's naked at 2 AM I'm 99% sure we could make a couple of phone calls and at least get Jon Sumrall from Tulane.

To me someone like him or Kinne at Texas State would be a much better option than Dan.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No. Not vice V.

One of them is the best football coach in our history.

The other took a 9 win team and torpedoed the entire program, then went to Ole Miss.

17 Arnett

I would take Arnett and Mullen right now. No offense to whoever our coach is right now.

[Coach34]

Its Vegas. Being drunk and naked at a Wendy's is baby shit.

I'm just glad my New Orleans trips I'm famous for are pre-youtube

[msu15]

Its Vegas. Being drunk and naked at a Wendy's is baby shit.

I'm just glad my New Orleans trips I'm famous for are pre-youtube

LOL, the only thing your famous for is your trips to the buffet line. You look like you could shut down a Golden Corral by yourself!

[TrapGame]

Why? We're a SEC school. If Lebby was fired for ordering Wendy's naked at 2 AM I'm 99% sure we could make a couple of phone calls and at least get Jon Sumrall from Tulane.

To me someone like him or Kinne at Texas State would be a much better option than Dan.

Per Bo Bounds Brett Bielema, Manny Diaz, Barry Odom and Jon Sumrall were at our door on one knee with flowers while we were locked in on Lebby. If Lebby tanks the next two seasons I'd bet we get one from that list.

[Goldendawg]

Why? We're a SEC school. If Lebby was fired for ordering Wendy's naked at 2 AM I'm 99% sure we could make a couple of phone calls and at least get Jon Sumrall from Tulane.

To me someone like him or Kinne at Texas State would be a much better option than Dan.

So after the Wendy's debacle we can officially refer to him as "Meat Head" as I wondered about him as a DC (Middle of the pack at MSU), and certainly at "HC".***** BTW, if he was so great at DC, after Will decided he was an option QB and fumbled at the !, how did OM manage to go 99 yards and score? If not for the batted down shovel pass we lose.

[Goldendawg]

Per Bo Bounds Brett Bielema, Manny Diaz, Barry Odom and Jon Sumrall were at our door on one knee with flowers while we were locked in on Lebby. If Lebby tanks the next two seasons I'd bet we get one from that list.

None of these guys had ties to OK and they were all successful, experienced HC's. We only hire "On the Job Training" AD's HC's & even DC's recently as per our losing history with these types except Tyler and Mullen.

[Coach34]

LOL, the only thing your famous for is your trips to the buffet line. You look like you could shut down a Golden Corral by yourself!

damnnnnnn

I'm just big boned

[Matt3467]

Per Bo Bounds Brett Bielema, Manny Diaz, Barry Odom and Jon Sumrall were at our door on one knee with flowers while we were locked in on Lebby. If Lebby tanks the next two seasons I'd bet we get one from that list.

Bielema had his shot in the SEC and I wasn't impressed (sub .500) and same thing goes for Odom (.500). Lebby imo has the higher ceiling of those two.

Manny Diaz is an absolute no. I think he's worse than Mullen when it comes to shopping himself around.

Sumrall, I have no opinion on at all.

I think if we ended or end up with anyone on that list we're just prolonging the suffering. We need to either bring back a proven commodity here like Mullen or find the cash somewhere to bring in one from elsewhere. Mullen for us was a needle in a haystack.

[KB21]

It seems some still refuse to admit the shape Arnett left the football program in. No head coach, whether it was Dan Mullen or Jon Sumrall, was going to win more than 2-3 games with what Jeff Lebby inherited.

[confucius say]

Why? We're a SEC school. If Lebby was fired for ordering Wendy's naked at 2 AM I'm 99% sure we could make a couple of phone calls and at least get Jon Sumrall from Tulane.

To me someone like him or Kinne at Texas State would be a much better option than Dan.

Bc I'd take Dan over both of them. He's won here. Knows how to do it. And knows what the sec is like.
Kinne is a wild card.
I do think Sumrall will be good.

[Matt3467]

It seems some still refuse to admit the shape Arnett left the football program in. No head coach, whether it was Dan Mullen or Jon Sumrall, was going to win more than 2-3 games with what Jeff Lebby inherited.

I agree. I'm too tired of the topic but too much of the blame is laid on Leach's shoulders. No one gave Leach a break when he inherited the dumpster fire Joe left and also had to play an all SEC schedule during COVID years all without a spring with the team. Arnett and his country club get a pass from some people and it doesn't make sense. FWIW I liked him as a DC but that's it.

[confucius say]

It seems some still refuse to admit the shape Arnett left the football program in. No head coach, whether it was Dan Mullen or Jon Sumrall, was going to win more than 2-3 games with what Jeff Lebby inherited.

Agree with that.

[Santiago]

I agree. I'm too tired of the topic but too much of the blame is laid on Leach's shoulders. No one gave Leach a break when he inherited the dumpster fire Joe left and also had to play an all SEC schedule during COVID years all without a spring with the team. Arnett and his country club get a pass from some people and it doesn't make sense. FWIW I liked him as a DC but that's it.

I agree, and just IMO, Arnett got a pass by using the "Blue Collar" "one of us" type stuff the administration was trying to feed the fans. Then telling everyone he has land, and has poultry. I swear our administration and media that tote the water for them really thought "our fans will eat that stuff up".
Oh, and he said "run the football" , and our fans referred to a gameplan from 35 years ago.

Leach won games, and was revamping the skill players but he did not say blue collar, and he was late to meetings.

[KB21]

UNLV is much better off with Paul Guenther as defensive coordinator. His scheme is much more complex than the idiot's scheme, so he may have to pare it down some for the college game, but his scheme is more fundamentally sound than Arnett's.

[Todd4State]

Per Bo Bounds Brett Bielema, Manny Diaz, Barry Odom and Jon Sumrall were at our door on one knee with flowers while we were locked in on Lebby. If Lebby tanks the next two seasons I'd bet we get one from that list.

I think I would be good with any of those except for Bielema.

I also think there are some good innovative young coaches coming up that I am keeping my eye on too- Ben Arbuckle, Kinne, Zach Kittley, and Eric Morris. I want to see how they perform and how their careers progress because some have questions to go along with the promise.

[Todd4State]

Bc I'd take Dan over both of them. He's won here. Knows how to do it. And knows what the sec is like.
Kinne is a wild card.
I do think Sumrall will be good.

When coaches have come back for a second stint they historically have been slightly worse when you look at Bill Snyder and Mack Brown. Yes, we all remember 2014 and 2010. But there were also some 2011 and 2016's in there. I think a lot of the MSU fans that want Dan back want him back because they feel like he is "safe".

But the reality is we have to look at what is best for MSU football. And I personally feel like MSU can hire someone that can at least duplicate Dan's success- see Jackie and Leach as exhibit's A and B- while at the same time potentially moving the program forward. And that's going to take someone that can increase our recruiting power while also developing our presence in the portal. I don't think Dan is the guy to do that based on his history.

MSU football does not need it's version of Polk 2.

[Todd4State]

I agree, and just IMO, Arnett got a pass by using the "Blue Collar" "one of us" type stuff the administration was trying to feed the fans. Then telling everyone he has land, and has poultry. I swear our administration and media that tote the water for them really thought "our fans will eat that stuff up".
Oh, and he said "run the football" , and our fans referred to a gameplan from 35 years ago.

Leach won games, and was revamping the skill players but he did not say blue collar, and he was late to meetings.

I think a lot of that blue collar crap was something that the MSU media came up with moreso than MSU.

In a sick way I think it's funny that Arnett literally did everything that they wanted and it turned out to be complete and utter shit. Like some of us predicted it would be.

[Santiago]

I think a lot of that blue collar crap was something that the MSU media came up with moreso than MSU.

In a sick way I think it's funny that Arnett literally did everything that they wanted and it turned out to be complete and utter shit. Like some of us predicted it would be.

yeah agree, and Rosebowl in on his site saying he was just passing along what the administration was saying.
To me, it was a concerted effort on both media and the administration because they could have easily told their puppet media "don't start with that blue collar one of us crap". Had the MSU media been told to stop and change the message, they would have. Or maybe it was just insignificant at the time. To me it showed we don't have an administration that has a better vision of ourselves and the fan base than that.

[Tbonewannabe]

I agree. I'm too tired of the topic but too much of the blame is laid on Leach's shoulders. No one gave Leach a break when he inherited the dumpster fire Joe left and also had to play an all SEC schedule during COVID years all without a spring with the team. Arnett and his country club get a pass from some people and it doesn't make sense. FWIW I liked him as a DC but that's it.

That game against UGA during Covid that Leach refused to puss out on when we had 48 eligible players. That is one of the best coached games that I have seen in a loss. Ole Miss had more players and refused to play A&M.

[Matt3467]

That game against UGA during Covid that Leach refused to puss out on when we had 48 eligible players. That is one of the best coached games that I have seen in a loss. Ole Miss had more players and refused to play A&M.

That's one of the proudest moments I've had being a State fan. There aren't many of them but I was proud of Leach and the team showing up and given GA all they wanted.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Personally, I blame Keenum and the boosters at this point for the football mess. People still blaming Leach or Moorhead or Cohen or whoever is just not accurate, and personally I am not a Moorhead or Cohen fan. It all comes down to the fact that Keenum and the boosters decided to hire their friends instead of qualified people. That is the real reason why we are in the spot we are in. Not hiring and AD for so many months after Cohen left and then just hiring friends will not be successful 99.9% of the time in any business.

[TrapGame]

I think I would be good with any of those except for Bielema.

I also think there are some good innovative young coaches coming up that I am keeping my eye on too- Ben Arbuckle, Kinne, Zach Kittley, and Eric Morris. I want to see how they perform and how their careers progress because some have questions to go along with the promise.

Hell, the way things have been going in athletics lately I would not be surprised if we hired freaking Jimbo Fisher if Lebby doesn't work out. I do not think we are forward thinking enough to get a Zach Kittley. We'll hire a retread and hope for the best.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its Vegas. Being drunk and naked at a Wendy's is baby shit.

I'm just glad my New Orleans trips I'm famous for are pre-youtube

The Yacht club is unfortunately post YouTube. And you would defend them if they spit in your face

[BuckyIsAB****]

Oh and we are 100 percent going to need another football coach after this year. Lebby ain?t it. We need a new President, AD and football coach but we will settle for just a football coach from Troy or Gene Chizik

[AROB44]

Oh and we are 100 percent going to need another football coach after this year. Lebby ain?t it. We need a new President, AD and football coach but we will settle for just a football coach from Troy or Gene Chizik

Nope....not sure what you base your opinion on, but 1 year is not enough. Plus...no coach in America would have won any more games.

[BravesDoggy]

Oh and we are 100 percent going to need another football coach after this year. Lebby ain?t it. We need a new President, AD and football coach but we will settle for just a football coach from Troy or Gene Chizik

Sorry that modern offenses offend you. Lebby could coach circles around Leech

[Pancho]

Lebby is fine. all he needs is a team full of actual talent

[Mjoelner34]

Personally, I blame Keenum and the boosters at this point for the football mess. People still blaming Leach or Moorhead or Cohen or whoever is just not accurate, and personally I am not a Moorhead or Cohen fan. It all comes down to the fact that Keenum and the boosters decided to hire their friends instead of qualified people. That is the real reason why we are in the spot we are in. Not hiring and AD for so many months after Cohen left and then just hiring friends will not be successful 99.9% of the time in any business.

Yep! We just haaaaaad to hold that recruiting class together even though they were recruited for the air-raid. Whether we ran the air-raid in 2023 or not, we were eventually going away from it and the best way to do that was to rip off the bandaid and start rebuilding. But no, we had to keep the air-raid recruiting class together and convince players to stay for their 5th year or not transfer by telling them we were going to run the air-raid only to then change. The problem is during that year, we didn't accomplish a damn thing to prepare for the future. We ran a ton of experience back on the field that year on both sides of the ball which stopped the younger guys from getting a lot of, if any, experience. Then last year Lebby had to start from scratch against that schedule and gets to do it again this year against the same schedule with our toss-up games on the road. To sum up, the rebuild from the air-raid that should have started in 2023, didn't start until 2024.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Yep! We just haaaaaad to hold that recruiting class together even though they were recruited for the air-raid. Whether we ran the air-raid in 2023 or not, we were eventually going away from it and the best way to do that was to rip off the bandaid and start rebuilding. But no, we had to keep the air-raid recruiting class together and convince players to stay for their 5th year or not transfer by telling them we were going to run the air-raid only to then change. The problem is during that year, we didn't accomplish a damn thing to prepare for the future. We ran a ton of experience back on the field that year on both sides of the ball which stopped the younger guys from getting a lot of, if any, experience. Then last year Lebby had to start from scratch against that schedule and gets to do it again this year against the same schedule with our toss-up games on the road. To sum up, the rebuild from the air-raid that should have started in 2023, didn't start until 2024.

I think "holding the recruiting class together" was a good excuse for them to use. Many boosters did not like Leach because they care more about having involvement in the program than winning. That 2023 team had a lot of seniority, but most of them were not SEC quality players. We only thought that because Leach was one of the best at utilizing different players strengths and weaknesses to win games. He was able to hide a lot of the teams faults and even keep them hidden from other coaching staffs. It just made it a bigger disaster when they went from really good coaching and leadership to terrible coaching and leadership in a year.

[Goldendawg]

Nope....not sure what you base your opinion on, but 1 year is not enough. Plus...no coach in America would have won any more games.

I think any coach in America could have won more than two games. On the job training AD hires on the job training HC who hires and keeps on the job training DC. What could have possibly gone wrong?****

[EdwardDrayton]

Lebby is fine. all he needs is a team full of actual talent

All ANY coach needs is a team full of actual talent.

[StateDawg44]

All ANY coach needs is a team full of actual talent.

I don?t know. See Moorhead

[PGHBulldogBG]

I don?t know. See Moorhead

Not many coaches could ruin a team that good from a talent standpoint. Cohen legit did no homework on this one. My PSU friends and neighbors all legit asked me the second it was announced if our AD was on drugs.

[Pancho]

any word on what arnett is up to now?

[Tbonewannabe]

Not many coaches could ruin a team that good from a talent standpoint. Cohen legit did no homework on this one. My PSU friends and neighbors all legit asked me the second it was announced if our AD was on drugs.

I think it was one of those things where looking at the hire from a distance looked great but people at PSU knew he was screwing up before Franklin stepped in and put guardrails on him.

The whole thing with him not being able to get plays in with 40 seconds was ridiculous. He was in over his head and really hasn't done anything at Akron either. The journalists really thought he was a homerun hire but you would hope Cohen would have done more research.

I would give Cohen a pass on the Canny hire but Moorhead was entirely his 17 up.

[Tbonewannabe]

Not many coaches could ruin a team that good from a talent standpoint. Cohen legit did no homework on this one. My PSU friends and neighbors all legit asked me the second it was announced if our AD was on drugs.

And honestly, any decent DC was going to kick ass with that talent. You could have probably won 10 games purely running the normal option / RPO game. Moorhead's version only works against slow Defenses that aren't even average SEC level.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Nope....not sure what you base your opinion on, but 1 year is not enough. Plus...no coach in America would have won any more games.

Basing it off a full years worth of games, practices, recruiting

[TrapGame]

Not many coaches could ruin a team that good from a talent standpoint. Cohen legit did no homework on this one. My PSU friends and neighbors all legit asked me the second it was announced if our AD was on drugs.

I met a PSU alum a couple of years ago that knows some folks in the AD. He said it was common knowledge that Franklin told Moorhead he had to choose his ten best plays, five run and five pass. Those were the only plays he could call the entire game. Add Sequan in there and Joe looked like an offense guru when he was just a stubborn goofball. James Franklin gladly helped him move and programmed the GPS to get him to Starkville.