Some of you need to realize about baseball

[Coach34]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

[cheewgumm]

Sad

Misguided

But. No reason we can?t be good at a few things.

[ArrowDawg]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

That's probably true, but that just assures us that we'll continue to suck at everything. We're fighting a losing battle in football.

[Todd4State]

The boosters always have the ultimate say. They're the ones that pay for it.

And if we don't make a regional Lemonis will be gone.

[Todd4State]

Sad

Misguided

But. No reason we can?t be good at a few things.

Well we have some stupid fans and media personalities that championed for football and basketball only and they're getting what they wanted. Ironically, they're some of the ones that are bitching the loudest about firing Lemonis.

Goes back to butthurt over Cohen on their part. And when MSU people get butthurt they tend to burn things down.

[HoopsDawg]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

[Todd4State]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

Bingo.

Thing is- the boosters we have care about it a lot and probably want to have a lot of say into who we hire. So, they're probably OK with it.

That makes me think we might end up with Coggin though- which may mean we keep Parker and replace Cheese with Ammirrati if I had to guess unless he has someone else in mind for pitching coach.

Personally I think they'll try to throw a lot of money at some big name first. They may not get whoever that is but it wouldn't surprise me if they try.

Plus, our main NIL person is a huge baseball fan so I think we're going to be OK.

[bulldogcountry1]

I don't believe for one minute that Selmon doesn't care about baseball. If anyone has a clue about how important our baseball program is to the success of our overall athletic program, it should be him.

What's more likely is that he completely aware how much our fans care and is completely terrified of the thought of having to hire a new baseball coach.

[gtowndawg]

It's fun if we are good in baseball, but if we are not, I don't even think about it. Meaning, I'm a normal sports fan, most don't care. It's not a knock on baseball, it's the sport I played but 99% of sports fans pay attention to football and men's basketball, that's it. If they can figure out a way to get a better coach and not waste any money, I'm fine with it. But there's no way we should be going in the hole for baseball.

Not trying to step on any toes, but all I care about is helping State achieve national recognition and to sustain that national recognition. The only way that can be done is football and men's basketball.

[KB21]

Bingo.

Thing is- the boosters we have care about it a lot and probably want to have a lot of say into who we hire. So, they're probably OK with it.

That makes me think we might end up with Coggin though- which may mean we keep Parker and replace Cheese with Ammirrati if I had to guess unless he has someone else in mind for pitching coach.

Personally I think they'll try to throw a lot of money at some big name first. They may not get whoever that is but it wouldn't surprise me if they try.

Plus, our main NIL person is a huge baseball fan so I think we're going to be OK.

The more I research potential candidates, the more I believe that Coggin is the best fit and best guy to go after. I said it in another thread, and I said it on X. If we want a young Tony Vitello type, we are going to have to take a chance on someone. Will Coggin has played and coached at Mississippi State. He played for Polk and coached with Cohen. His offenses at Kentucky were very good, and his offenses at Georgia are top 2 nationally. They are the best hitting team in the country, and it isn't because they are recruiting at a top 10 level. Will has developed the reputation of being a hitting coach hitters want to play for and be coached by. He would almost certainly bring Nick Ammirati with him as an assistant. I don't know if he would keep Parker or bring in a more analytically minded pitching coach. I could see Will bring in Chris Young. I think a couple of player development coaches he could target to be on staff are Myles Gentry at Samford and Trevor Fitts at Kentucky. Will would almost certainly revamp our player development and analytics staff.

[KB21]

It's fun if we are good in baseball, but if we are not, I don't even think about it. Meaning, I'm a normal sports fan, most don't care. It's not a knock on baseball, it's the sport I played but 99% of sports fans pay attention to football and men's basketball, that's it. If they can figure out a way to get a better coach and not waste any money, I'm fine with it. But there's no way we should be going in the hole for baseball.

Not trying to step on any toes, but all I care about is helping State achieve national recognition and to sustain that national recognition. The only way that can be done is football and men's basketball.

That's not the way most State fans feel. I had a DME rep in my office on Monday. Most of these reps know I'm a big State guy, alumnus, supporter, etc...., and they usually immediately bring up something about Mississippi State when they visit me at my office. The first thing he said when he came in Monday was "We have to make a change in baseball. I can take being OK in football and basketball, but not in baseball. We have to be great in baseball."

[maroonmania]

The thing to me is I like to play for something big in SOMETHING and baseball is the ONLY sport on campus where, if we have the right leadership, we can compete at the highest level every year. I like football and basketball and yeah, I want to be competitive in both, but any of you that think there is ANY realistic thing we can do that will allow us to compete at the highest level regularly in either of those sports is living in a pipe dream. At best, there might be some once in a 3 decade type year (like '96 and '04 in basketball or '14 in football) where we have a CHANCE to compete for something big but I'm not even sure those type years will come along like they used to in this NIL/portal era. When it starts coming down to purely money even more than it used to we are at even more of a disadvantage than we were in previous years.

I realize football is the money maker but every year we really just play to make a bowl somewhere and basketball to see if we can get into the NCAA tournament. In baseball we can legitiimately play for something and seeing that program be led so poorly is sickening. In football we are at the biggest disadvantage relative to the elites, and in basketball we've made the Elite Eight once in our entire history while in baseball we've essentially made the Elite Eight 12 times with one championship. Baseball should be important to any MSU fan that cares about winning at the highest level and should be much more than an afterthought to Selmon given our situation.

[Coach34]

The more I research potential candidates, the more I believe that Coggin is the best fit and best guy to go after.

strong candidate for sure

[BigDawg81]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are
You must have listened to Robbie and Hadad. Hadad brought up this same topic. I am ok with it but I need Selmon to come out and say that the top 2 priorities is Football and Men?s basketball. We better damn good in football and basketball if Selmon throws baseball to the side. If not, Selmon can go.

[HoopsDawg]

The thing to me is I like to play for something big in SOMETHING and baseball is the ONLY sport on campus where, if we have the right leadership, we can compete at the highest level every year. I like football and basketball and yeah, I want to be competitive in both, but any of you that think there is ANY realistic thing we can do that will allow us to compete at the highest level regularly in either of those sports is living in a pipe dream. At best, there might be some once in a 3 decade type year (like '96 and '04 in basketball or '14 in football) where we have a CHANCE to compete for something big but I'm not even sure those type years will come along like they used to in this NIL/portal era. When it starts coming down to purely money even more than it used to we are at even more of a disadvantage than we were in previous years.

I realize football is the money maker but every year we really just play to make a bowl somewhere and basketball to see if we can get into the NCAA tournament. In baseball we can legitiimately play for something and seeing that program be led so poorly is sickening. In football we are at the biggest disadvantage relative to the elites, and in basketball we've made the Elite Eight once in our entire history while in baseball we've essentially made the Elite Eight 12 times with one championship. Baseball should be important to any MSU fan that cares about winning at the highest level and should be much more than an afterthought to Selmon given our situation.

Excellent post.

[Homedawg]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

Not true. We were around break even. Making money wasn't us. But the lofts are about to be paid off. That's a money maker. Should build more. But.... smh

[maroonmania]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

Nothing surprising there, I would even take out the "it looks like" and just say Lemon won't be fired this year until he actually doesn't make a regional.

[Coach34]

Not true. We were around break even. Making money wasn't us. But the lofts are about to be paid off. That's a money maker. Should build more. But.... smh

Yep. Another set of lofts would sell immediately

[Coach34]

Nothing surprising there, I would even take out the "it looks like" and just say Lemon won't be fired this year until he actually doesn't make a regional.

some people think he may pull the trigger a little early to seem like he really cares if we continue this course another 5 weeks

[Turfdawg67]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

Does he not realize we are a baseball school?!?***

[Coach34]

You must have listened to Robbie and Hadad.

lmao- **** no. I would never listen to those assclowns

[StateDawg44]

some people think he may pull the trigger a little early to seem like he really cares if we continue this course another 5 weeks

Some people who matter or just random posters?

Doesn?t seem like he would want any extra attention brought to the search by doing it in the middle of the season if he doesn?t actually care about it.

Why flounder out there and leave him unable to make a move if the coaches are still out there coaching.

Any coach we are after whether it?s a HC or assistant better be in the post season.

[DownwardDawg]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

This is spot on.

[Todd4State]

If he pulls the trigger in five weeks that's kind of dumb because by that time we will have like 2 weeks left.

What's he trying to do? Light a fire under the team before we go play Mizzou?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Well if basketball and football wasn?t an abortion, then maybe we would cut him some slack.

First off, he is the Athletic Director. Not the ?Football and Basketball? Director.

[Coach34]

Some people who matter


This

[Todd4State]

Well if basketball and football wasn?t an abortion, then maybe we would cut him some slack.

First off, he is the Athletic Director. Not the ?Football and Basketball? Director.

He inherited Arnett. Not his fault. We'll know more about Lebby this year and in 2026.

We made the NCAA Tournament. Sure maybe it's disappointing we didn't go further and it sucks that Ole Miss made the sweet 16 but I wouldn't call that an abortion.

[Brobi-wan]

I think Coach’s point is that to be consistently good in Baseball we need to commit to being middle of the pack minimum in others.

We need to be able to feel like we could win any week in football and basketball before we start flushing money down the drain for baseball. Baseball lives paycheck to paycheck at best.

[AlSwearengen]

I'm done and see the writing on the wall. I've given Lemonis the benefit of the doubt until now, but I was skeptical when he called TA and asked him if he did the right thing by kicking the players off the field at one of his first practices after he got here. Too much golf, too good of friends with his assistants, etc. etc. He can get to the world series this year and I won't be back on board.

[Santiago]

I think Coach?s point is that to be consistently good in Baseball we need to commit to being middle of the pack minimum in others.

We need to be able to feel like we could win any week in football and basketball before we start flushing money down the drain for baseball. Baseball lives paycheck to paycheck at best.

I think right now, having a winning record overall against Quad 2 and 3 teams is not too much for fans to expect and ask for.

[R2Dawg]

It's fun if we are good in baseball, but if we are not, I don't even think about it. Meaning, I'm a normal sports fan, most don't care. It's not a knock on baseball, it's the sport I played but 99% of sports fans pay attention to football and men's basketball, that's it. If they can figure out a way to get a better coach and not waste any money, I'm fine with it. But there's no way we should be going in the hole for baseball.

Not trying to step on any toes, but all I care about is helping State achieve national recognition and to sustain that national recognition. The only way that can be done is football and men's basketball.

And ironically baseball is the only national recognition we got so we need to keep that somehow IMHO.

[gtowndawg]

And ironically baseball is the only national recognition we got so we need to keep that somehow IMHO.

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.

So for example, here's some rough numbers:

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million

Again, I hope we are good in baseball and I hope we win it all many, many times. We just have to be very careful investing in it becasue the ROI is simply not that here in the modern, super confernce, NIL era.

[maroonmania]

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.



Everyone understands that, but its better to be a big fish in a small pond than not be a big fish in any pond. We either get our baseball program back to the status where it belongs or we can just accept that we are mediocre or worse in every men's sport we compete in that ANYONE cares about.

[State82]

Everyone understands that, but its better to be a big fish in a small pond than not be a big fish in any pond. We either get our baseball program back to the status where it belongs or we can just accept that we are mediocre or worse in every men's sport we compete in that ANYONE cares about.

Word.

[R2Dawg]

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.

So for example, here's some rough numbers:

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million

Again, I hope we are good in baseball and I hope we win it all many, many times. We just have to be very careful investing in it becasue the ROI is simply not that here in the modern, super confernce, NIL era.

Yeah, I agree baseball isn't big like football and basketball but it has grown to a much closer third.

Speaking of ROI, we chose years ago to invest in baseball, our ROI ain't real good right now. We need to cash in on our Dude investment that is dropping like the stock market.

[Coach34]

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million.

That's not really a fair deal tho. In the SEC, baseball is extremely popular and the best in the country. Other places dont watch because they are shitty. Women's basketball gets higher TV numbers but SEC baseball has higher attendance. College baseball is a Southeast/East Coast thing

[Todd4State]

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.

So for example, here's some rough numbers:

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million

Again, I hope we are good in baseball and I hope we win it all many, many times. We just have to be very careful investing in it becasue the ROI is simply not that here in the modern, super confernce, NIL era.

I don't understand why MSU fans want to de-emphasize our baseball program. It doesn't make any sense because I don't know why some of our fans are making this either football and basketball or baseball. We need to strive to be really good in all three.

Whether those fans like it or not baseball is a big part of MSU athletics. Even if it breaks even there is so much positive that comes from the baseball program that it makes zero sense to bring it down.

Can we be great in all three? Well between 1996-1998 we went to Omaha twice, won the SEC West in football, and went to the Final Four. That doesn't even include the 10-2 football season in 1999.

Being good in baseball isn't a bad thing. Having an amazing baseball field isn't a bad thing. Having 10 MLB players and the hottest player in the game from MSU isn't a bad thing. Having a NC in baseball isn't a bad thing.

I'll tell you what is a bad thing- being bad in baseball.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, I agree baseball isn't big like football and basketball but it has grown to a much closer third.

Speaking of ROI, we chose years ago to invest in baseball, our ROI ain't real good right now. We need to cash in on our Dude investment that is dropping like the stock market.

College baseball is the fastest growing form of the game right now- mostly because of social media. It's far more popular the minor league baseball. And we have all the resources to be great in it and we have fans that want to turn their nose up at it because they somehow think it will make us better in football and basketball if we don't give as much money to it.

Make it make sense.

[cheewgumm]

I don't understand why MSU fans want to de-emphasize our baseball program. It doesn't make any sense because I don't know why some of our fans are making this either football and basketball or baseball. We need to strive to be really good in all three.

Whether those fans like it or not baseball is a big part of MSU athletics. Even if it breaks even there is so much positive that comes from the baseball program that it makes zero sense to bring it down.

Can we be great in all three? Well between 1996-1998 we went to Omaha twice, won the SEC West in football, and went to the Final Four. That doesn't even include the 10-2 football season in 1999.

Being good in baseball isn't a bad thing. Having an amazing baseball field isn't a bad thing. Having 10 MLB players and the hottest player in the game from MSU isn't a bad thing. Having a NC in baseball isn't a bad thing.

I'll tell you what is a bad thing- being bad in baseball.


Amen.

There is no reason to have to choose between sports.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yeah but lest it go unsaid, baseball has our ONLY natty and sells out the venue so, from that perspective, football and basketball suck a bag of, well, you know.

[cheewgumm]

WE need to be good at baseball because our fans love it.

We are all on here arguing about who should play, etc.. Should we fire the coach? Whatever. We all love it want State to win.

So, we are "the customer".

Anmd if you ignore what the customer likes, the customer will rebel. You just cant ignore it. Wont be allowed by the fans, imo.

[Pancho]

Does Lemo has to win the series with USCe this weekend? it would appear to be a head on the chopping block moment is he loses the series. thoughts?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does Lemo has to win the series with USCe this weekend? it would appear to be a head on the chopping block moment is he loses the series. thoughts?

If you're asking will he be fired on Monday if we lose the series.....the answer is no.

If you're asking if we lose the series that is the end for Lemonis......the answer is yes.


He has to win, and probably sweep, the series this weekend to have any prayer of sneaking into the NCAAT.

[StarkVegasSteve]

WE need to be good at baseball because our fans love it.

We are all on here arguing about who should play, etc.. Should we fire the coach? Whatever. We all love it want State to win.

So, we are "the customer".

Anmd if you ignore what the customer likes, the customer will rebel. You just cant ignore it. Wont be allowed by the fans, imo.

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

[Todd4State]

Yeah but lest it go unsaid, baseball has our ONLY natty and sells out the venue so, from that perspective, football and basketball suck a bag of, well, you know.

We draw well in football when we're good. We actually draw pretty well when you consider the product and how the athletic department has repeatedly given fans the middle finger for years with things like uniforms and not investing in recruiting like we should.

[MStateDawg]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

Attendance isn't going to be an issue. People will come just to have a good time and enjoy being out at the park. Ticket sales won't be an issue for the AD to be concerned about either. All chairbacks are sold (with a thousand or 2 more on the waiting list). Seating royalties for those chairbacks are all sold thru either 2028 or 2029 depending on what the ticketholder chose to do with the cancelled COVID season. If you get frustrated with football, you can drop your tickets and wait until they get competitive again and then pick up some new tickets. If you get frustrated with baseball and drop your season tickets, you'll be abandoning your already paid seating royalties and it could be years and years before you get season tickets back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Attendance isn't going to be an issue. People will come just to have a good time and enjoy being out at the park. Ticket sales won't be an issue for the AD to be concerned about either. All chairbacks are sold (with a thousand or 2 more on the waiting list). Seating royalties for those chairbacks are all sold thru either 2028 or 2029 depending on what the ticketholder chose to do with the cancelled COVID season. If you get frustrated with football, you can drop your tickets and wait until they get competitive again and then pick up some new tickets. If you get frustrated with baseball and drop your season tickets, it could be years and years before you get them back.

You won't ever get them back. Period. The waiting list is well into the thousands and there's people on that list that will never get seats.

[BrunswickDawg]

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.

So for example, here's some rough numbers:

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million

Again, I hope we are good in baseball and I hope we win it all many, many times. We just have to be very careful investing in it becasue the ROI is simply not that here in the modern, super confernce, NIL era.

National TV statistics are not the same as measuring what MSU is recognized for. Until Dak, I think if you asked a random sports fan to name an MSU athlete they would have said Will Clark or Rafael Palmerio.
Baseball is definitely THE sport we are recognized for because for almost 60 years, its the only thing we have consistently been any good at. That doesn't change because more people watch football and basketball championships that we never play for.

[Coach34]

If you're asking will he be fired on Monday if we lose the series.....the answer is no.

If you're asking if we lose the series that is the end for Lemonis......the answer is yes.


He has to win, and probably sweep, the series this weekend to have any prayer of sneaking into the NCAAT.

THIS

[cheewgumm]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

I agree that people will for the most part still go, but i think there will be an uproar from fans that care (like here) and the podcaset guys will be brutal critics. Some may not think that is a big deal, but it is. Then if Selmon doesn't change, people will start callling for his head. momentum will grow, its not good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I agree that people will for the most part still go, but i think there will be an uproar from fans that care (like here) and the podcaset guys will be brutal critics. Some may not think that is a big deal, but it is. Then if Selmon doesn't change, people will start callling for his head. momentum will grow, its not good.

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

[RezDog7]

That's not the way most State fans feel. I had a DME rep in my office on Monday. Most of these reps know I'm a big State guy, alumnus, supporter, etc...., and they usually immediately bring up something about Mississippi State when they visit me at my office. The first thing he said when he came in Monday was "We have to make a change in baseball. I can take being OK in football and basketball, but not in baseball. We have to be great in baseball."

This times a million

[StarkVegasSteve]

This times a million

Well the thing is, what we're spending we should be great. I mean we're in the top 10 of spenders on baseball in the country and haven't HOSTED A REGIONAL, not even a Super, A REGIONAL in what will be 4 years after this one. Now, if we spent what Mizzou spends on baseball then those results would be fine. But if we're going to continue to spend what we currently spend, then those results are unacceptable.

[MStateDawg]

They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it.

This gives me respect for Lemonis. Faulk is an idiot. He has damned near ruined Brian's podcast with his cluelessness.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This gives me respect for Lemonis. Faulk is an idiot. He has damned near ruined Brian's podcast with his cluelessness.

He just thinks he's a lot more important than he is. He's the cohost of an extremely niche podcast and acts like he's Bill Simmons or Ryen Russillo. Like Bob Carskadon was a way bigger deal in Starkville and around the university than Faulk and Bob never carried himself like this. I mean without this podcast he'd be a high school sports reporter. I at least think Brian has a bit of humility because he was working at Papa Johns less than 10 years ago.

I'll be honest, those On3 guys have gotten really bad since they branched off from 247. I don't know why they think they're that much more important now. I mean they're doing the same thing.

[RezDog7]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

People like to joke about attendance numbers and giving opposing players food. I think it's awesome that we care so much about this sport and support it no matter what. Baseball at the Dude is way more than just baseball. The fans do their part. It's up to the administration to put a good product on the field.

If football/basketball had this kind of support, would we still have people joking about attendance numbers and giving food away?

[StarkVegasSteve]

People like to joke about attendance numbers and giving opposing players food. I think it's awesome that we care so much about this sport and support it no matter what. Baseball at the Dude is way more than just baseball. The fans do their part. It's up to the administration to put a good product on the field.

If football/basketball had this kind of support, would we still have people joking about attendance numbers and giving food away?

Well no because no one would be there. At the first sign of trouble State fans bail en masse in those sports. Baseball could go 0-48 for 5 straight years and the attendance would be the exact same. 10-12K on the weekends and 2-5K in the midweek. Probably between 13-14K on big weekends. But baseball has The Grove and the other sports don't. Same reason Ole Miss always will have good football attendance.

It's why I've completely changed my tune on this, if we're not going to even attempt to make it a tough place to play, then 17 it. Make it a party. Embrace the party atmosphere. I mean it's already a party for any opposing fan base so why not make it a party for everyone.

[cheewgumm]

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.



If he is going to fire coaches that lose, then that is what he's supposed to do.

I think we are in agreement.

My point was if we lose (say dont make the regional) and Selman decides not to fire him becauase "who cares about baseball". Selman would be in trouble if he did that. Taht is my scenario.

Howver, if he's gonna fire him if we don't make the regional, i cant ask for any more.

[RezDog7]

He just thinks he's a lot more important than he is. He's the cohost of an extremely niche podcast and acts like he's Bill Simmons or Ryen Russillo. Like Bob Carskadon was a way bigger deal in Starkville and around the university than Faulk and Bob never carried himself like this. I mean without this podcast he'd be a high school sports reporter. I at least think Brian has a bit of humility because he was working at Papa Johns less than 10 years ago.

I'll be honest, those On3 guys have gotten really bad since they branched off from 247. I don't know why they think they're that much more important now. I mean they're doing the same thing.

The 247 board is full of ass clowns and gawd awful sheep.

[cheewgumm]

The 247 board is full of ass clowns and gawd awful sheep.



I dont see how people can stand to be on the other boards. Honestly. I never go to any of the others.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I dont see how people can stand to be on the other boards. Honestly. I never go to any of the others.

On3 isn't too terrible. It's still a lot of the 247 crowd over there but they don't moderate too much. They do stroke Brian and Robbie's ego a little too much but I tend to ignore those threads. 247 just got awful and Steve is pretty quick on the ban button over there. I do hate they pushed SPS to the side when they came on. Free message boards are just becoming a thing of the past at this point.

Also, the coverage on 247 is almost nonexistent outside of baseball. And I get baseball is more important here than most places, but football and men's basketball pays the bills. On3 actually treats those as sports. 247 treats them like hobbies. The 247 site basketball coverage is BEYOND EMBARASSING. Like Steve should be ashamed for how bad the coverage is.

[maroonmania]

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

Well, Faulk may be a jerk but I haven't heard him say anything relative to MSU baseball under Lemonis that wasn't 100% accurate. Wish Lemonis would show that much fire with players on his team when they make ridiculous screwups.

[Todd4State]

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

Give it time and Lemonis won't be the last coach that does that to Faulk.

[Todd4State]

Well, Faulk may be a jerk but I haven't heard him say anything relative to MSU baseball under Lemonis that wasn't 100% accurate. Wish Lemonis would show that much fire with players on his team when they make ridiculous screwups.

Other than saying that Lemonis was going to be fired than last season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Give it time and Lemonis won't be the last coach that does that to Faulk.

Jans hates him. Source: Chris Jans.

He does not like him or Hadad. Says they do not know basketball and he is correct. We actually made fun of most of the media tonight. Great time honestly.

[Maroonthirteen]

Lemonis said that to Faulks face?? That is awesome!

I listened to their podcast on baseball just this morning (I don't normally listen to them). Faulk said, and I paraphrase but this is very close,

"Lemonis needs alpha ball players and I don't understand why."

Hahaha. He was trying to say there wasn't a leader on this 25 team, which may be true but that statement reveals how little understanding he has of team sports.

I've said for a while now. State needs to make things miserable for those two and lock them out as best as State can. Because they believe, they're more important and create controversy with their On3 crowd with inaccurate opinions that they state as facts. Anyways, nice to hear that the people that matter don't care for them.

[cheewgumm]

We need to take into account

Coaches don?t want critics.

I don?t love the podcast guys just I welcome their criticism of our coaches.

I didn?t realize that Lemonis was 35-60 or whatever since the Natty. Faulk preaches that.

That?s a good thing. There needs to be a public critical voice.

[maroonmania]

Lemonis said that to Faulks face?? That is awesome!

I listened to their podcast on baseball just this morning (I don't normally listen to them). Faulk said, and I paraphrase but this is very close,

"Lemonis needs alpha ball players and I don't understand why."

Hahaha. He was trying to say there wasn't a leader on this 25 team, which may be true but that statement reveals how little understanding he has of team sports.

I've said for a while now. State needs to make things miserable for those two and lock them out as best as State can. Because they believe, they're more important and create controversy with their On3 crowd with inaccurate opinions that they state as facts. Anyways, nice to hear that the people that matter don't care for them.

Not sure I remember the 'and I don't understand why' part but I think the basic point was Lemon needs alpha players on the team because he isn't an alpha coach. And that speaks volumes in that he isn't demanding of a standard that you train, practice and play to. He needs player leaders to do most all of that job for him. Does anyone think Tony Vitello or Dave Van Horn would put up with the crappy fundamentals our team plays with on the field? Its embarrassing that we are such a sloppy baseball team and the head coach allows it. I agree Faulk is not very likeable (even less so than Hadad) but that doesn't mean that the podcast guys who are basically watching sports for a living can't have a valid opinion. I mean they basically loved and praised Lemonis and crew prior to 2022. If a coach doesn't want to be criticized when he puts a losing product on the field then he should just go coach a sport that nobody cares about.

[Maroonthirteen]

Not sure I remember the 'and I don't understand why' part but I think the basic point was Lemon needs alpha players on the team because he isn't an alpha coach. And that speaks volumes in that he isn't demanding of a standard that you train, practice and play to. He needs player leaders to do most all of that job for him. Does anyone think Tony Vitello or Dave Van Horn would put up with the crappy fundamentals our team plays with on the field? Its embarrassing that we are such a sloppy baseball team and the head coach allows it. I agree Faulk is not very likeable (even less so than Hadad) but that doesn't mean that the podcast guys who are basically watching sports for a living can't have a valid opinion. I mean they basically loved and praised Lemonis and crew prior to 2022. If a coach doesn't want to be criticized when he puts a losing product on the field then he should just go coach a sport that nobody cares about.

Agree with all you wrote. So let me be clear, Lemonis needs to go.

However every team needs alpha players. Tennessee and Ark dont have a bunch of BSU kids waiting for daddy to give some direction. Lemonis recruiting has been bad. He doesn't seem to demand much from the players he has. But not many, if any coaches, win without alphas and/leaders.

[Todd4State]

Jans hates him. Source: Chris Jans.

He does not like him or Hadad. Says they do not know basketball and he is correct. We actually made fun of most of the media tonight. Great time honestly.

Sounds like a good time. Wish I was there to pile on.

[Todd4State]

We need to take into account

Coaches don?t want critics.

I don?t love the podcast guys just I welcome their criticism of our coaches.

I didn?t realize that Lemonis was 35-60 or whatever since the Natty. Faulk preaches that.

That?s a good thing. There needs to be a public critical voice.

Criticism is fine but it also needs to be reasonable.

Slamming a coach because he didn't hire your friend that you can use as an inside source isn't reasonable.

And I'm not referring to Lemonis.

[Todd4State]

Agree with all you wrote. So let me be clear, Lemonis needs to go.

However every team needs alpha players. Tennessee and Ark dont have a bunch of BSU kids waiting for daddy to give some direction. Lemonis recruiting has been bad. He doesn't seem to demand much from the players he has. But not many, if any coaches, win without alphas and/leaders.

Exactly. We have a lot of fans that think sports at the college level is like sports at the high school or church level.

And all the team leadership isn't going to fix basic coaching fundamentals. Hell- TA couldn't make Kam James play SS well when he struggled there or make Josh Hatcher hit above the Mendoza Line. And that was 2021!

[Cowbell]

Faulks biggest issue is you can read three of his posts on Twitter and know that he hates this coaching staff. In media, you need to be professional on some level. He is pessimistic on everything baseball and this never ending. You can't do that, especially when it's obvious you never actually played the game at a serious level.

[cheewgumm]

Faulks biggest issue is you can read three of his posts on Twitter and know that he hates this coaching staff. In media, you need to be professional on some level. He is pessimistic on everything baseball and this never ending. You can't do that, especially when it's obvious you never actually played the game at a serious level.

I?d disagree.

You don?t have to have played to criticize. Especially if you are media covering the team and the coach is coaching a supposedly
Elite program.

Looks at his record post Natty. It?s obvious.

Ao our coaches will only accept criticism from who they deem is worthy? No

Lemonis may think Faulk knows nothing about baseball but so what?

What is you record, Lemonis?That?s all we need to know.

[KOdawg1]

On3 > 247.

And it's not even close.

But this place has too many people who think like they do on 247, which is why it's dying too.

[cheewgumm]

On3 > 247.

And it's not even close.

But this place has too many people who think like they do on 247, which is why it's dying too.

How do they think? I?ve never been on wither of them.