Bottom 6 out of 16 teams in every. single. sport.

[CadaverDawg]

The strength of the SEC in hoops is the only thing keeping our fan base from the absolute pits of hell right now.

This is exactly what I feared when NIL and transfer portal crap kicked in. We don't have the brains or the dollars in our athletic program to avoid being in the cellar. And unfortunately I don't have any solutions or ideas without an influx of major funds that we just don't have.

Not good, boys. We need coaches that can do more with less. Jans is worth keeping bc we can do no better. Lemonis is a dead man rolling, and Lebby is yet to be determined but he's playing with a hand and foot tied behind his back compared to the rest of the league in football money.

I have never cared less about MSU athletics, and I doubt I'm the only one. I hate what college sports has become, and I don't see it going back to a good place, but time will tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how State can overcome this and keep us from being dead last in all sports within a few years? I am at a loss, and those that know me know I've never been short on thoughts and suggestions for MSU sports.

[msstate7]

For us to succeed in sports now, we're gonna have to become the Tampa bay rays. Be smarter than the big money programs. I don't feel we're very smart though.

[CadaverDawg]

For us to succeed in sports now, we're gonna have to become the Tampa bay rays. Be smarter than the big money programs. I don't feel we're very smart though.

Yeah that's terrifying

My only suggestion is to totally tank all the funds to all sports and go 100% all in on the only sport that truly matters, football. But we have too many fans and donors that would melt, so it will never happen. They'd rather suck at all 3 than be super competitive in 1 and suck at the other 2.

[KOdawg1]

Nice to see you posting again Cadaver.

But how to fix it you ask?

Move MSU to Southaven or an area that can generate more cash than Starkville can.

OR

Beg Ole Miss to combine schools and resources and be what LSU is in Louisiana.

Kidding of course... but not really.

[msstate7]

Yeah that's terrifying

My only suggestion is to totally tank all the funds to all sports and go 100% all in on the only sport that truly matters, football. But we have too many fans and donors that would melt, so it will never happen. They'd rather suck at all 3 than be super competitive in 1 and suck at the other 2.

Maybe use all our NIL money on power ball tix. Maybe we win haha

[msstate7]

Nice to see you posting again Cadaver.

But how to fix it you ask?

Move MSU to Southaven or an area that can generate more cash than Starkville can.

OR

Beg Ole Miss to combine schools and resources and be what LSU is in Louisiana.

Kidding of course... but not really.

Biloxi or Gulfport would be better

[CadaverDawg]

Nice to see you posting again Cadaver.

But how to fix it you ask?

Move MSU to Southaven or an area that can generate more cash than Starkville can.

OR

Beg Ole Miss to combine schools and resources and be what LSU is in Louisiana.

Kidding of course... but not really.

Thanks man, haven't posted in a while but have lurked some.

You kid, but that's the only types of things that could save us, and they 100% could never happen. So it shows how hopeless it seems

[CadaverDawg]

Maybe use all our NIL money on power ball tix. Maybe we win haha

Haha

[klong-dog]

Yeah that's terrifying

My only suggestion is to totally tank all the funds to all sports and go 100% all in on the only sport that truly matters, football. But we have too many fans and donors that would melt, so it will never happen. They'd rather suck at all 3 than be super competitive in 1 and suck at the other 2.

We could have all the money from all programs and then double it for football and we'd still find a way to win less than 10 games. Is it worth demolishing the rest of our athletics for such?

[CadaverDawg]

We could have all the money from all programs and then double it for football and we'd still find a way to win less than 10 games. Is it worth demolishing the rest of our athletics for such?

Probably. Before the fans bail on all 3

Heck we were better at baseball when we had a bunch of dirtbags that were under recruited anyway. Bring back the Cody Browns and let the chips fall where they may. Spend money on football. Just my thoughts

[Lord McBuckethead]

Biloxi or Gulfport would be better

Biloxi or Gulfport sucks. Both of them. Southaven is 10X those two shitholes.

[Lord McBuckethead]

What is there worth saving? Seriously? Basketball is the easiest because the money you spend in football could get a damn good 8-9 players on the team. Football is all that matters. Most people can?t tell you who played in the last two NCAA basketball finals.

[Ranchdawg]

I blame anyone with authority in the athletic dept. but I blame most on nil/portal. Till college athletics gets straightened out I am checking out. Sure I’ll occasionally watch a football game, basketball game and might attend a couple baseball games but the days of me spending thousands of dollars, spending a bunch of time planning trips to Starkville, a bunch of time tailgating, are over! Again I doubt I’ll return even if they do fix nil/portal. The I way see it there is little to no hope that we will be nothing more than a doormat to the rest of SEC. That doesn’t sit well with me.

[Tater]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

[CadaverDawg]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xiMUwBRn5RDLhzwO80/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952kctqlif65t0vzko5rgwrjc45jdtk 09n9jjcq475r&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[State82]

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Word.

[DDawg]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

From the same sports genius who would have you believe we were built for a national championship run in men?s just a week or so ago.

I assume if we follow your strategy we just integrate with the W ( or whatever it is at this point ) and really become the Mississippi university for women and let Ole miss just take the reigns in all the male sports that?ll really show them who runs the show around here lol

[Tater]

From the same sports genius who would have you believe we were built for a national championship run in men?s just a week or so ago.

I assume if we follow your strategy we just integrate with the W ( or whatever it is at this point ) and really become the Mississippi university for women and let Ole miss just take the reigns in all the male sports that?ll really show them who runs the show around here lol

We were plenty capable of making a run. Plenty to be excited about. Then we disappointed. I had a fun week leading up to the inevitable disappointment most predicted. I don't really care about being right and quitting early. Ruins the fun for me. I'm pulling in the same direction and agreement that we gotta do something different next year.

But if we think the ceiling is hit on these other sports, why not take a couple mil and sprinkle it on something else and have our own thing to be proud of. Cheering for anyone wearing State is cool for me. I'll enjoy this softball run. These girls are good. If it wasn't for field dimensions, I'd say swap the baseball and softball teams until the baseball team earns it back. LFL crew wouldn't miss a beat.

[BeardoMSU]

Nice to see you posting again Cadaver.

But how to fix it you ask?

Move MSU to Southaven or an area that can generate more cash than Starkville can.

OR

Beg Ole Miss to combine schools and resources and be what LSU is in Louisiana.

Kidding of course... but not really.

I'd rather die with honor like a Samurai and commit seppuku**

[BankerDog]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

Mark was trying to be ahead and beat DEI. That?s why those sports are good right now. We invested a lot in volleyball, softball, soccer, and WBK.

Until we get someone who can tie our NIL to hotels, restaurants, shops, etc in Starkville-collectively a ?NIL Tax? we will still have some issues. And let me point out-we aren?t hurting for funds. We have more alumni willing to help and have the means to help than our own fans give us credit for (a lot of our fans feed into the narratives of we are poor farmer boys). We just need more. And we need a President who isn?t a goob and we need everyone pulling into one direction and not one faction here, one faction there. I hate to say it, but what OM did with their NIL efforts and ?screw you? attitude had paid off. Maybe instead of worrying about feeding the opposing team after sweeping us for the ?experience? we start worrying more about winning for once.

[BeardoMSU]

OM on thir way to the Sweet 16, too. Fml...

[BeardoMSU]

Mark was trying to be ahead and beat DEI. That?s why those sports are good right now. We invested a lot in volleyball, softball, soccer, and WBK.

Until we get someone who can tie our NIL to hotels, restaurants, shops, etc in Starkville-collectively a ?NIL Tax? we will still have some issues. And let me point out-we aren?t hurting for funds. We have more alumni willing to help and have the means to help than our own fans give us credit for (a lot of our fans feed into the narratives of we are poor farmer boys). We just need more. And we need a President who isn?t a goob and we need everyone pulling into one direction and not one faction here, one faction there. I hate to say it, but what OM did with their NIL efforts and ?screw you? attitude had paid off. Maybe instead of worrying about feeding the opposing team after sweeping us for the ?experience? we start worrying more about winning for once.

Keenum only has that position because all of his degrees are State. He would at best be a Prez at a D3 school, if not for us. Shameful.

[Skydawg1]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

Caitlin Clark lost to Goldielocks and Limu Emu. Pass.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Keenum only has that position because all of his degrees are State. He would at best be a Prez at a D3 school, if not for us. Shameful.

Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasped this

[BeardoMSU]

Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasped this

Oh I know this. I'm more pissed about our academics slacking under his leadership, especially in the STEM fields, but didn't want to go off topic. Loving a school realllllly hard isn't a qualification for a job, either. He should go be a lobbyist, bc he sucks as a major R1 research university president.

[EdwardDrayton]

Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasped this

You do when the university president is so involved.

[BeardoMSU]

You do when the university president is so involved.

This too!

[CadaverDawg]

OM on thir way to the Sweet 16, too. Fml...

Haha, it's so awful being a State fan.

I actually got excited for the weekend....State in the dance, the baseball team with a chance at erasing last weekend with a good road series, the women dancing (not that I really remembered)....

And what happens? Basketball team lays another turd in a big moment, baseball team sucks, ole miss women's AND men's team to the sweet 16, and their baseball team sweeps Mizzou on the road. And our one bright spot was women's hoops, and their reward is to be utterly embarrassed tomorrow night.

Yet another reason why people are becoming apathetic. Not only do most of our programs suck, they always find a way to ruin even the most exciting possible weekends. Our fans are very rarely rewarded with a good win in a big moment.

Hello darkness, my old friend.

Just glad I don't care as much anymore. Now if we happen to upset someone I just record it and watch the replay instead of putting myself through hours of investment to be disappointed

[BankerDog]

[QUOTE=StarkVegasSteve;1644849]Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasp this.

Yeah well when you love something that much and the results are on a downward trend, you need to back up and had over the reigns to someone who can right the ship. You and I have talked about this. His recruiting department on campus does not hit Dallas enough, does not hit the Carolinas, the FL panhandle, Georgia, etc.

[Tater]

Haha, it's so awful being a State fan.

I actually got excited for the weekend....State in the dance, the baseball team with a chance at erasing last weekend with a good road series, the women dancing (not that I really remembered)....

And what happens? Basketball team lays another turd in a big moment, baseball team sucks, ole miss women's AND men's team to the sweet 16, and their baseball team sweeps Mizzou on the road. And our one bright spot was women's hoops, and their reward is to be utterly embarrassed tomorrow night.

Yet another reason why people are becoming apathetic. Not only do most of our programs suck, they always find a way to ruin even the most exciting possible weekends. Our fans are very rarely rewarded with a good win in a big moment.

Hello darkness, my old friend.

Just glad I don't care as much anymore. Now if we happen to upset someone I just record it and watch the replay instead of putting myself through hours of investment to be disappointed

Here's the optimist take. Juju hurt her hand and ankle. An O/U of 147.5 feels insane for how good these two teams are defensively. And if we get them in a defensive shitshow, we're like a pig in mud who can beat em with experience. Now come midnight tomorrow I'll be sad, but I ain't disappointed until the games over when it's the postseason.

[CadaverDawg]

And dont look now but Ole Miss may have 10 seed New Mexico to beat to get to the Elite 8.

Can't make it up.

But that game still has a lot of time left

[StarkVegasSteve]

[QUOTE=StarkVegasSteve;1644849]Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasp this.

Yeah well when you love something that much and the results are on a downward trend, you need to back up and had over the reigns to someone who can right the ship. You and I have talked about this. His recruiting department on campus does not hit Dallas enough, does not hit the Carolinas, the FL panhandle, Georgia, etc.

Bank you and I have talked about this multiple times. I have literally gotten a message from the director of IFC cussing me out because I told someone his wife sucked at her job because we do not recruit out of state. You do not have to tell me our recruiting dept sucks. That is because the people under him have hired a bunch of Mississippi people who think we only need to recruit in state. Actually talked to Keenum about it at a wedding last summer and he agreed we do not recruit enough out of state so he knows about it.

[BeardoMSU]

[QUOTE=StarkVegasSteve;1644849]Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasp this.

Yeah well when you love something that much and the results are on a downward trend, you need to back up and had over the reigns to someone who can right the ship. You and I have talked about this. His recruiting department on campus does not hit Dallas enough, does not hit the Carolinas, the FL panhandle, Georgia, etc.

Yep^^^

[BankerDog]

[QUOTE=BankerDog;1644857]

Bank you and I have talked about this multiple times. I have literally gotten a message from the director of IFC cussing me out because I told someone his wife sucked at her job because we do not recruit out of state. You do not have to tell me our recruiting dept sucks. That is because the people under him have hired a bunch of Mississippi people who think we only need to recruit in state. Actually talked to Keenum about it at a wedding last summer and he agreed we do not recruit enough out of state so he knows about it.

He knows it, but nothing is being done about it. Sounds like either he needs to clean house or step away and get into private sector.

[BeardoMSU]

[QUOTE=BankerDog;1644857]

Bank you and I have talked about this multiple times. I have literally gotten a message from the director of IFC cussing me out because I told someone his wife sucked at her job because we do not recruit out of state. You do not have to tell me our recruiting dept sucks. That is because the people under him have hired a bunch of Mississippi people who think we only need to recruit in state. Actually talked to Keenum about it at a wedding last summer and he agreed we do not recruit enough out of state so he knows about it.

Appreciate the personal context, SVS. Truly. But...this type of interaction I've heard many times from folks that spoke with MK, and it's always the same thing. He agrees with them to their faces (i.e., politics) but never actually follows through (i.e., also politics).

Again, he'd be a great agricultural lobbyist. He should go do it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

[QUOTE=StarkVegasSteve;1644863]

Appreciate the personal context, SVS. Truly. But...this type of interaction I've heard many times from folks that spoke with MK, and it's always the same thing. He agrees with them to their faces (i.e., politics) but never actually follows through (i.e., also politics).

Again, he'd be a great agricultural lobbyist. He should go do it.

I have never understood why he took the pay cut to be our president honestly. He was about to step into the real money in DC and just left to be our president. Again, I like Mark and maybe I have a blind spot because I do think he wants what is best for Mississippi State. I just get sick of people wrapping him into athletics because he had very little to do with that realm because he has hired someone for that.

[Cooterpoot]

Keenum is better with things not on campus. But he's got to stop hiring unproven people and then letting those unproven people hire more unproven people. OM is killing their hires and we either run it back or hire a nobody. Jans is the only non-first time HC. That's un17ingacceptable!

[BeardoMSU]

[QUOTE=BeardoMSU;1644868]

I have never understood why he took the pay cut to be our president honestly. He was about to step into the real money in DC and just left to be our president. Again, I like Mark and maybe I have a blind spot because I do think he wants what is best for Mississippi State. I just get sick of people wrapping him into athletics because he had very little to do with that realm because he has hired someone for that.

Oh I get it. I like him personally as well. He's been a gent every time I've been around him. But again, I know this thread is about sports, but my personal beef with him is primarily with our declining academics. Our athletics is just another indictment.

[EdwardDrayton]

Haha, it's so awful being a State fan.

I actually got excited for the weekend....State in the dance, the baseball team with a chance at erasing last weekend with a good road series, the women dancing (not that I really remembered)....

And what happens? Basketball team lays another turd in a big moment, baseball team sucks, ole miss women's AND men's team to the sweet 16, and their baseball team sweeps Mizzou on the road. And our one bright spot was women's hoops, and their reward is to be utterly embarrassed tomorrow night.

Yet another reason why people are becoming apathetic. Not only do most of our programs suck, they always find a way to ruin even the most exciting possible weekends. Our fans are very rarely rewarded with a good win in a big moment.

Hello darkness, my old friend.

Just glad I don't care as much anymore. Now if we happen to upset someone I just record it and watch the replay instead of putting myself through hours of investment to be disappointed

Great song reference; very apropos (I like the Disturbed cover of that song also). Dark times in Dawg sports. And, yes, combining the large state schools into one is the answer but it will never happen. And honestly don't think I could stomach it. I'm lifer Maroon & White; there can never be another.

And trying to pump more money into football, no matter the plan to accomplish it, doesn't guarantee success. A&M says hi.

Wish I could see a path forward for us in college sports; the death bell is growing louder by the day.

[StateDawg44]

Or a lobbyist in DC making 3x what he is right now. He is doing this because he loves Mississippi State. You also do not judge a university president on the results of the athletics dept. Some still have not grasped this

Why is it that there are so many things about Starkville and our Athletic department that so many of us simple folk can?t grasp except you and seemingly 34.

Y?all just have all of this all figured out apparently. What we are and aren?t capable of as a university.

Why don?t we just pack it all up now and save the money before the settlement kicks in?

[EdwardDrayton]

OM on thir way to the Sweet 16, too. Fml...

Think there'll be a domestic violence segment in the Sweet 16 pregame??!!?? *****

[BeardoMSU]

Think there'll be a domestic violence segment in the Sweet 16 pregame??!!?? *****

https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1903090217189269906?t=x3PdufAkp372dXwFctQpIw&s=19

[msstate7]

Meanwhile OM is a top 16 team nationally in all 3 sports. Damn, they're superior to us in all the sports

[cheewgumm]

Our athletic department is subpar at best.

All the stories on Saban are that he demanded perfection through the football program down to the cleanliness of the bathrooms in the building.

It all has to be perfect.

See our department.

- We get this big bell to ring at the stadium and it?s not bolted down and falls over - details. How does that happen? Details.

- hailstate app -couldn?t listen to basketball at the end of the year - it would link to something else - never fixed. Details.

Stuff like that is bush league but builds your culture negatively.

Our fans are defeatist as well.

When NIL comes out we could all give small amounts and be a big winner in NIL. However you mention it on message boards and the reason a is that will never work. Let?s just get big boys to give. Then we are on here bitching about why we can?t win.


We are the reason we cant win.

[EdwardDrayton]

https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1903090217189269906?t=x3PdufAkp372dXwFctQpIw&s=19

Character is a fluid concept in the Grove. *******

[BeardoMSU]

Character is a fluid concept in the Grove. *******

Lots of fluids are "fluid" in the grove, no doubt***

[EdwardDrayton]

Lots of fluids are "fluid" in the grove, no doubt***

LOL!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1903090217189269906?t=x3PdufAkp372dXwFctQpIw&s=19

Culture makes the S16. We should really stop caring about this crap. Just go win. Weird thing is no one will be talking about allegations tonight.

[EdwardDrayton]

Culture makes the S16. We should really stop caring about this crap. Just go win. Weird thing is no one will be talking about allegations tonight.

I get your point Steve. But to say Beard's situation was mere allegations is distorting the truth at a high level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I get your point Steve. But to say Beard's situation was mere allegations is distorting the truth at a high level.

Does not matter. Was he ever convicted??? The answer is no btw. That is all that matters. It is all just allegations after that. Guess who else has allegations we are too scared to hire…..Art Briles. But damn allegations. All it is. Just BS

[EdwardDrayton]

Does not matter. Was he ever convicted??? The answer is no btw. That is all that matters. It is all just allegations after that. Guess who else has allegations we are too scared to hire…..Art Briles. But damn allegations. All it is. Just BS

The ONLY reason he was not convicted is because the victim would not testify for the prosecution. This happens a lot in domestic violence. But there's no denying the physical evidence on the scene.

[BankerDog]

Meanwhile OM is a top 16 team nationally in all 3 sports. Damn, they're superior to us in all the sports

No-they?re masters at selling their propaganda and having people believe it. Our own fans. There is more money at State than there, our alum just don?t flash or talk about it. They?d rather go unknown. Ole Miss has gotten the by in from the middle level guys whereas, as we have seen on our boards, we?d argue about what is right and wrong. And those who decide they don?t want to help the cause continue to gripe.

Until we all get on same page and start believing you can build something in Starkville (and you can. Mullen showed it, Cohen/Cann showed it, Jans and Stans showed it) we will continue to believe the news of ?poor farmers?, ?red necks?, ?can?t win?. It?s all bs that our fans believe. We can and have to do better. It starts with Mark and Zach but it goes all the way down to the last of us. We have yo end the good ole boy network that has plagued us for so long and clamoring ?attendance records? and ?feeding other teams?. I?m tired of being nice-I?m ready to start winning and competing in everything. Living in Bama and Auburn territory does that to you.

[BankerDog]

https://twitter.com/CoachBeansTTU/status/1903090217189269906?t=x3PdufAkp372dXwFctQpIw&s=19

Their culture beat Bama and UT and is in the sweet 16. I?d take a S16 right now.

[Bothrops]

The strength of the SEC in hoops is the only thing keeping our fan base from the absolute pits of hell right now.

This is exactly what I feared when NIL and transfer portal crap kicked in. We don't have the brains or the dollars in our athletic program to avoid being in the cellar. And unfortunately I don't have any solutions or ideas without an influx of major funds that we just don't have.

Not good, boys. We need coaches that can do more with less. Jans is worth keeping bc we can do no better. Lemonis is a dead man rolling, and Lebby is yet to be determined but he's playing with a hand and foot tied behind his back compared to the rest of the league in football money.

I have never cared less about MSU athletics, and I doubt I'm the only one. I hate what college sports has become, and I don't see it going back to a good place, but time will tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how State can overcome this and keep us from being dead last in all sports within a few years? I am at a loss, and those that know me know I've never been short on thoughts and suggestions for MSU sports.

This is an honest post. The NIL is taking this brand name and identity on a path to the underworld.

[EdwardDrayton]

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

[Skydawg1]

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

Cool. Dont let the door hit ya where split ya.

[BankerDog]

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

What were your thoughts on Luke Hancock then?

[EdwardDrayton]

Cool. Dont let the door hit ya where split ya.

Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

[EdwardDrayton]

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

Cohen did what good leaders do. Apply consequences for poor behavior.

[DDawg]

Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

unfortunately, i believe the minority on this issue one is you Mr. Gayton

[EdwardDrayton]

unfortunately, i believe the minority on this issue one is you Mr. Gayton

Unfortunately, that does not make you right. So there's nowhere else to go with this.

[Cooterpoot]

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

And we will continue to lose and they will win. But hey, morality Olympics!!!! Those pretend gold medals will look great right beside all our other pretend trophies. Go win. No one gives a shit what you do on the way there. Or at least that is how winners think. Then again, we are not winners. So maybe we do not think like that.

[CadaverDawg]

I like when we have a coach that is a likeable guy, but I like winning more. We don't pay coaches to be good dudes. Reminds me an awful lot of the Presidential races....any time someone says, "but he just doesn't seem like a nice guy", I'm sorry but most of the best leaders the world has ever seen weren't great dudes. Sometimes it takes being not a great dude to make some of the decisions it takes to win the damn war.
How much are the talking heads talking about Beard and Kiffin's past right now? Ole Miss fans and AD have the mindset of "we aren't marrying the guy, we are just hiring the best guy to win games"....and that's exactly what is happening. Meanwhile we have a likeable plump little bucket sitter destroying our baseball program and a likeable AD unwilling to fire his ass....but at least they're likeable, right?

We are in the most competitive conference in amateur athletics, and half of our fan base acts like we are Mississippi College or Belhaven. And we wonder why we can't overcome our financial issues.....we couldn't win if we had A&M's money bc we are too nice.

Ole Miss is a bunch of pricks. But they know it, own it, and are the pricks sitting in the Top 16 in pretty much every sport. Not saying it's right, just saying it's facts.

[EdwardDrayton]

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

[Skydawg1]

The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there. I've heard that, and I just have a hard time believing it. I mean, TA came to State because of Cann. And HE wanted CANN gone? No. Jake? Maybe, but Jake stuck around. Rowdy?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've heard that, and I just have a hard time believing it. I mean, TA came to State because of Cann. And HE wanted CANN gone? No. Jake? Maybe, but Jake stuck around. Rowdy?

TA did not want Cann gone. Jake did, but then again he busted Jake for that pesky coke habit he had. Rowdy was the same as TA.

Jake was not the choir boy some want to believe he was. Neither was Mac and hell neither was TA or Rowdy.

[parabrave]

I like when we have a coach that is a likeable guy, but I like winning more. We don't pay coaches to be good dudes. Reminds me an awful lot of the Presidential races....any time someone says, "but he just doesn't seem like a nice guy", I'm sorry but most of the best leaders the world has ever seen weren't great dudes. Sometimes it takes being not a great dude to make some of the decisions it takes to win the damn war.
How much are the talking heads talking about Beard and Kiffin's past right now? Ole Miss fans and AD have the mindset of "we aren't marrying the guy, we are just hiring the best guy to win games"....and that's exactly what is happening. Meanwhile we have a likeable plump little bucket sitter destroying our baseball program and a likeable AD unwilling to fire his ass....but at least they're likeable, right?

We are in the most competitive conference in amateur athletics, and half of our fan base acts like we are Mississippi College or Belhaven. And we wonder why we can't overcome our financial issues.....we couldn't win if we had A&M's money bc we are too nice.

Ole Miss is a bunch of pricks. But they know it, own it, and are the pricks sitting in the Top 16 in pretty much every sport. Not saying it's right, just saying it's facts.

This.

[Coursesuper]

The strength of the SEC in hoops is the only thing keeping our fan base from the absolute pits of hell right now.

This is exactly what I feared when NIL and transfer portal crap kicked in. We don't have the brains or the dollars in our athletic program to avoid being in the cellar. And unfortunately I don't have any solutions or ideas without an influx of major funds that we just don't have.

Not good, boys. We need coaches that can do more with less. Jans is worth keeping bc we can do no better. Lemonis is a dead man rolling, and Lebby is yet to be determined but he's playing with a hand and foot tied behind his back compared to the rest of the league in football money.

I have never cared less about MSU athletics, and I doubt I'm the only one. I hate what college sports has become, and I don't see it going back to a good place, but time will tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how State can overcome this and keep us from being dead last in all sports within a few years? I am at a loss, and those that know me know I've never been short on thoughts and suggestions for MSU sports.

What is happening is just about what I expected. We are who and where we are.

[Pancho]

I totally agree

[MoreCowbell]

Haha, it's so awful being a State fan.

I actually got excited for the weekend....State in the dance, the baseball team with a chance at erasing last weekend with a good road series, the women dancing (not that I really remembered)....

And what happens? Basketball team lays another turd in a big moment, baseball team sucks, ole miss women's AND men's team to the sweet 16, and their baseball team sweeps Mizzou on the road. And our one bright spot was women's hoops, and their reward is to be utterly embarrassed tomorrow night.

Yet another reason why people are becoming apathetic. Not only do most of our programs suck, they always find a way to ruin even the most exciting possible weekends. Our fans are very rarely rewarded with a good win in a big moment.

Hello darkness, my old friend.

Just glad I don't care as much anymore. Now if we happen to upset someone I just record it and watch the replay instead of putting myself through hours of investment to be disappointed

Dude I have watched the Memphis BBall game I recorded 50 times in the last 2 months. It is all I have right now.

[MoreCowbell]

What were your thoughts on Luke Hancock then?

I missed it what Happened with Hancock

[MoreCowbell]

TA did not want Cann gone. Jake did, but then again he busted Jake for that pesky coke habit he had. Rowdy was the same as TA.

Jake was not the choir boy some want to believe he was. Neither was Mac and hell neither was TA or Rowdy.

Pump the brakes on that. A college kid having a sniff here and there at a party is extremely common and to say this on a message board like the dude was a crackhead is messed up. Jake is a great dude.

[BankerDog]

I missed it what Happened with Hancock

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/mississippi-state/2018/09/04/mississippi-state-luke-hancock-freshman-baseball-starkville-police-oktibbeha-county-jail-court/1196732002/

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pump the brakes on that. A college kid having a sniff here and there at a party is extremely common and to say this on a message board like the dude was a crackhead is messed up. Jake is a great dude.

Our team had a coke problem. Jake was involved in it. Cann cleaned it up and kicked guys off the team and it stopped. That's the story.

[Coursesuper]

The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there.

Was there ever! Guy had it by the shorties and 17ed it up.

[Pancho]

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/mississippi-state/2018/09/04/mississippi-state-luke-hancock-freshman-baseball-starkville-police-oktibbeha-county-jail-court/1196732002/

this is total bs on luke. he is now married to her.

[R2Dawg]

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

Yes it is.

Too many have the idea that you must cheat or sell out to win and and ready and willing to do it. Unfortunately most of society feels the same way.

[R2Dawg]

To OP I'll add my 2 cents that I'm sure most will disagree.

While NIL and portal changed things short term I don't think the model for MSU to compete is any different than it used to be. We never were top in recruiting or getting top coaches in our history and still had pockets of success - Jackie and Mullen eras. So what is our formula?

1. Get smart, good respectable coaches. Leach was part of it but he was stubborn but he was close if he would have just adapted his O.

2. Get top talent in Miss. It may not be ranked high in nation but it will win games. And get the kids that want to be here. Yeah pay to play but we need some Bulldog True Maroon leaders in the locker room. We can all name some True Bulldogs that even today would stick it out for their school and still get paid.

3. Get smart on scheduling - like get some easy wins like OM does every year and put them all up front so we are 3-0 to build some excitement even if it is false like OM does. A month of positivity matters.

4. Invest in PR efforts, media, etc. Highlight our school, Starkville, etc. instead of our fans running it down all the time. We have some good stories to tell that make MSU a great place to be. I see it all the time from parents and kids of other schools that end up at MSU. MSU is doing a lot of stuff right. We are our own worst enemies.

[Coursesuper]

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

You damn right.

[Coursesuper]

Yes it is.

Too many have the idea that you must cheat or sell out to win and and ready and willing to do it. Unfortunately most of society feels the same way.

You absolutely live in a world I am not familiar with and I have traveled over a large portion of this planet.

[EdwardDrayton]

You absolutely live in a world I am not familiar with and I have traveled over a large portion of this planet.

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

[Tater]

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

They used to not. Times they are a changing.

And you can't deny this when you highest authority in our country is filled by someone with worse allegations AND convictions than Chris Beard.

And that's not to turn this political. That's just saying OM is a reflection of society. We don't care what people did or didn't do if we think they can "win".

[Dawgology]

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

I understand what you’re saying but what do you think should be placed above winning in an athletic program?

[Dawgology]

I’ve been saying for 2 years now that State will be relegated when realignment happens. It doesn’t matter that we are a founding member of the SEC we will be out. Our NIL is dead last, our hiring practices are laughable, our marketing still sucks (but there’s not much to market in their defense). It’s unfortunate, but we have some boneheaded boosters and an out of touch out of date AD staff that put us so far behind that it’s pretty much out of reach now. We replaced that staff with a trainee. Our boosters pretty much just like hanging out, drinking, and giving each other high fives. It’s funny and really backwards. It’s all over but the crying.

[Bothrops]

I’ve been saying for 2 years now that State will be relegated when realignment happens. It doesn’t matter that we are a founding member of the SEC we will be out. Our NIL is dead last, our hiring practices are laughable, our marketing still sucks (but there’s not much to market in their defense). It’s unfortunate, but we have some boneheaded boosters and an out of touch out of date AD staff that put us so far behind that it’s pretty much out of reach now. We replaced that staff with a trainee. Our boosters pretty much just like hanging out, drinking, and giving each other high fives. It’s funny and really backwards. It’s all over but the crying.

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

[Dawgology]

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

Exactly, there won’t be an SEC per se there will be a total realignment. We ve been cheapskates way too long and we are about to reap what we have sown.

[msstate7]

this is total bs on luke. he is now married to her.

Little confused... is the story BS? Did the now wife make up something? Is it BS bc even though it happened, they're now married?

[Pancho]

she had a drinking issue and he went to get her back to her apartment. she was yelling and had way too much to drink when this guy walks by and calls the cops as he thought the couple didn't know each other. Her parents came to the police station in Luke's defense but the DA or whomever was set on prosecution and ending his baseball career before it got started. Once his attorney arrived and met with the MSU admin and legal folks it ended pretty quickly once another athletes name was mentioned.

[msstate7]

she had a drinking issue and he went to get her back to her apartment. she was yelling and had way too much to drink when this guy walks by and calls the cops as he thought the couple didn't know each other. Her parents came to the police station in Luke's defense but the DA or whomever was set on prosecution and ending his baseball career before it got started. Once his attorney arrived and met with the MSU admin and legal folks it ended pretty quickly once another athletes name was mentioned.

Thanks

[R2Dawg]

I too have traveled much of the planet and my experience has been the same as yours. People in large part do not place winning over all else.

Ok I too have traveled the world but that means nothing. Traveling the world doesn't make any of us know more.

I know what the Good Book says (God's Word) and it says that we are all selfish and full of pride. I see it every where I go. People make selfish decisions all the time to better theirselves. Too many are fooling theirself if you think otherwise.

Yes some people make decisions not based on cheating, etc. to win but even God fearing people do it too.

Things have gotten way worse in our culture too - just as Bible said it would.

People doing right things are the minority - also in the Bible - narrow way and broad way.

I understand these are absolute truth's that many on here will not believe but true non the less.

Not a flame at anyone just stating the truth.

[R2Dawg]

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

Anything is possible and this could happen as realignment continues but we must remember someone has to be the Washington Generals (Harlem Globtrotters opponent that lost every game). As Mullen said 50% of teams lost today and someone got to lose. It just feels like SEC has decided one of those teams is us.

[R2Dawg]

They used to not. Times they are a changing.

And you can't deny this when you highest authority in our country is filled by someone with worse allegations AND convictions than Chris Beard.

And that's not to turn this political. That's just saying OM is a reflection of society. We don't care what people did or didn't do if we think they can "win".

Beard, Will Wade, Bruce Pearl, Hugh Freeze, etc. see a pattern here? Yeah its worse.

[EdwardDrayton]

Ok I too have traveled the world but that means nothing. Traveling the world doesn't make any of us know more.

I know what the Good Book says (God's Word) and it says that we are all selfish and full of pride. I see it every where I go. People make selfish decisions all the time to better theirselves. Too many are fooling theirself if you think otherwise.

Yes some people make decisions not based on cheating, etc. to win but even God fearing people do it too.

Things have gotten way worse in our culture too - just as Bible said it would.

People doing right things are the minority - also in the Bible - narrow way and broad way.

I understand these are absolute truth's that many on here will not believe but true non the less.

Not a flame at anyone just stating the truth.

That's your truth R2. Just not one that everyone shares. That's OK. We all experience things differently. Honestly I don't see that as a bad thing. I've always said to my folks, if all of us are nodding up and down together all of the time, only one of us is doing the thinking.

And let's remember, God separated us with unique languages to make us different for a good reason.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Like others have said, I am concerned in the next 5-10 years we will be one of the next Oregon State/Washington State type teams. Realignment is constantly changing, but I just don't see us being in the same league as Ohio State, UGA, Bama, etc. Football is what drives this, so being good in basketball outside of being a blue blood is not as recognized. No one cares at all regarding baseball when it comes to this, hence Oregon State would have got an invite to the Big 12. I have accepted there is nothing that can be done about it, but it will be extremely disappointing if and when it happens. Ole Miss being better than us at both football and basketball though is a major disadvantage. They have two great coaches, while we have a good coach in Jans and a big question mark in Lebby. The next few years will tell us if we have the ability to compete in this new world or not. Unfortunately, it is not looking good at this point in time.

[R2Dawg]

That's your truth R2. Just not one that everyone shares. That's OK. We all experience things differently. Honestly I don't see that as a bad thing. I've always said to my folks, if all of us are nodding up and down together all of the time, only one of us is doing the thinking.

And let's remember, God separated us with unique languages to make us different for a good reason.

That ain't my truth that is what God's Word says. I'm just repeating it. I've found it true in my experience too and yes that is what I believe.

Yes others can have their own views and that is perfectly fine.

In the end, we'll all stand before God and give an account. I'm not that big a gambler to go against what God says but again that is just me. To each his own.

[EdwardDrayton]

That ain't my truth that is what God's Word says. I'm just repeating it. I've found it true in my experience too and yes that is what I believe.

Yes others can have their own views and that is perfectly fine.

In the end, we'll all stand before God and give an account. I'm not that big a gambler to go against what God says but again that is just me. To each his own.

Wow. You really took that off the rails. Didn't see that leap coming where we're talking about people's nature and end up with disavowing God's Word. Wow. I'm just going to let that go for civility's sake.

[Bothrops]

Like others have said, I am concerned in the next 5-10 years we will be one of the next Oregon State/Washington State type teams. Realignment is constantly changing, but I just don't see us being in the same league as Ohio State, UGA, Bama, etc. Football is what drives this, so being good in basketball outside of being a blue blood is not as recognized. No one cares at all regarding baseball when it comes to this, hence Oregon State would have got an invite to the Big 12. I have accepted there is nothing that can be done about it, but it will be extremely disappointing if and when it happens. Ole Miss being better than us at both football and basketball though is a major disadvantage. They have two great coaches, while we have a good coach in Jans and a big question mark in Lebby. The next few years will tell us if we have the ability to compete in this new world or not. Unfortunately, it is not looking good at this point in time.

Not only is OM better than us in football and basketball, they've been relevant more recently in baseball than we have. I don't believe it's ever been this way in my lifetime. Normally, you just deal with it and think it's cyclical and will pass, however we've been pulled into the NIL orbit as a permanent crumb. Outside of baseball, we would have to get extremely, extremely lucky in the portal, with coaches, hungry players, despite being out-recruited to have one great season in football or basketball now. Just one season!

[Offshore Dawg]

Dawgs are here to provide wins for the big boys. Been that way for many years.

[CaptainObvious]

Lane Kiffin was a Big time hire for Ole Miss. Beard may have been unemployed. But he was a big time hire. When Bianco retires, they will make a big time hire. McPhee seems to be a nice hire. I believe they have a Women's Golf NC. Once they add Beach Volleyball, it will be katybarthedoor!

Meanwhile check our hires. Women's Golf -good. Women's Soccer-good. Men's Tennis- good. Men's basketball came from a mid-major. Football as has been our history is either a twilight former HC or a Coordinator or a RB's coach. Baseball, we went all the way to the Big 10 where Hockey and curling are more popular.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lane Kiffin was a Big time hire for Ole Miss. Beard may have been unemployed. But he was a big time hire. When Bianco retires, they will make a big time hire. McPhee seems to be a nice hire. I believe they have a Women's Golf NC. Once they add Beach Volleyball, it will be katybarthedoor!

Meanwhile check our hires. Women's Golf -good. Women's Soccer-good. Men's Tennis- good. Men's basketball came from a mid-major. Football as has been our history is either a twilight former HC or a Coordinator or a RB's coach. Baseball, we went all the way to the Big 10 where Hockey and curling are more popular.

They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby’s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

[Activated Alpha]

They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby’s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

And that is why our athletic program will be the practical death nail in our coffin. Once we aren't invited to the new super conference and Ole Miss is, our student roll will dwindle to USM levels. The vision of our leaders has been so ****ed up, I'm surprised we have gotten this far. I say **** it and let Art Briles be the OC because no one will give a flying rats **** if we start winning at a higher rate.

[Thick]

AU hired Pearl and Freeze, both had major issues with the NCAA. If you want to win at a high level, you have to have the balls to take chances on accomplished coaches regardless of the baggage. We hired Sherrill and never again did we take that chance!

[Homedawg]

We will be aligned to a conference where we can function under our NIL requirements and be competitive in major and ancillary sports. I'm starting to accept it. Just wait until we have a full decade of losing our ass in all major sports. This realignment will be welcome by some and eventually accepted by most.There are probably admin and booster people laughing and shaking there heads to what I'm saying, but if they are here much longer they won't be laughing long.

Edit- I could see a possible situation where we can stay in line with the super conference in a particular sport of two. I could see that. If the TV powers that be make those provisions with the NCAA. Besides the SEC won't be called SEC when all this happens.

If we get "relegated" as said, we won't compete. We will be another nobody if nobody's. No tv check. No chance. Sorry just is what it is.

[Homedawg]

They take chances on guys and we do not.

We could have hired Kiffin in 2017 and did not even interview him. Would he have come? I have no clue. But the best way to not find out is not even interview him.

Although it is a rumor, I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that we had Sark hired and someone vetoed it. Whether that be Keenum, the board, or someone else. Because I know for a fact we had graphics with Sark on them and had a press conference scheduled already.

You know we would never have hired someone like Chris Beard.

We have tons of safeguards around the Briles thing. We will not just let him be an analyst even though he wants to help and would be a great voice in Lebby?s ear on gameday.

That is the difference. They want to win. They know that the noise dies when the winning is happening.

We never had sark hired. Not true. Cohen wasn't In love w sark. He was meh in process and didn't think he'd stay if he won anyway.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We never had sark hired. Not true. Cohen wasn't In love w sark. He was meh in process and didn't think he'd stay if he won anyway.

Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

[TrapGame]

Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

Exactly. If the coach stays 3 years and moves on then fine. It's the winning that matters. That makes you relevant. Having someone commit to being here for 5+ years is ridiculous. Take the winning and make the job attractive to young up and coming coaches that want SEC experience. Ride the wave.

[Pancho]

sounds opposite of a guy who wins big largely with another coaches players and then gets to stay for that reason only as he slowly allows the program to recede.

[gtowndawg]

Another reason we make up to not hire someone. Well he will win but he will not stay. So what? Take the winning.

Good grief, no kidding.

[gtowndawg]

We hired Sherrill and never again did we take that chance!

And boy did it pay off. First time we could really be proud to be State football fans.

[State82]

And boy did it pay off. First time we could really be proud to be State football fans.

My all-time favorite coach in any sport at dear 'ol State.

[Thick]

Anybody watching UAB vs UC Irvine?.NIT? We supposedly are going after #2 for UAB. Bart Hyche?s suggestion to Jans.

[Tater]

Leach had a checkered past if you believe Craig James didn't kill five hookers.

[Tater]

Anybody watching UAB vs UC Irvine?.NIT? We supposedly are going after #2 for UAB. Bart Hyche?s suggestion to Jans.

52% 3p at home and 32% on the road. He'd be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

Gimme 6-7 months and I'll be way more hyped and sunshine pumpy

[Goldendawg]

My all-time favorite coach in any sport at dear 'ol State.

Jackie taught us to win again, also my favorite all time (Even though wheels came off for various reasons last three years) and saw my first of hundreds of games in 1963, age eight. Lots of very poor MSU HC's in my lifetime (and AD's).

[Lord McBuckethead]

Tied for second in softball.
Had a great year in women's soccer.
Women's basketball is still alive in the postseason.

Time to accept what ya shoulda learned from ya grannies and momma - women in Mississippi are just better than men. Definitely better to watch. And I don't just mean that aesthetically.

Also we just finished 7th in the country in Indoor Track & Field. Could be a good outdoor season.

I get it - football is the moneymaker, baseball is the pastime, and seeing dude's dunk is fun. But if you want to play a long game at improving Mississippi State - make the women's sports teams the best. Lotta growth potential in their sports - Caitlyn Clark showed that. Need to get the Mississippi State version of Caitlyn Clark in all these other sports.

Women sports do not matter.
If that is your answer, then we have already lost the real battle.