Cheese coaching 3rd base shows Lemonis doesn't care about base running

[Tbonewannabe]

The amount of screw ups from Cheese on our base running has to show Lemonis doesn't care. He would rather have his friend stand on 3rd than have someone even competent there.

How many outs and even games have been given away from the 3rd base coaches box? That wasn't even a hard throw from short right field. The only way Cupp is safe is if the right fielder just gets nervous and muffs the throw.

I could understand chancing it if the ball was actually in the dugout so the catcher has to completely spin around but even then that is an extremely dumb decision with one out.

Can anyone make a justification for sending him? Props to Cupp for making it close.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The amount of screw ups from Cheese on our base running has to show Lemonis doesn't care. He would rather have his friend stand on 3rd than have someone even competent there.

How many outs and even games have been given away from the 3rd base coaches box? That wasn't even a hard throw from short right field. The only way Cupp is safe is if the right fielder just gets nervous and muffs the throw.

I could understand chancing it if the ball was actually in the dugout so the catcher has to completely spin around but even then that is an extremely dumb decision with one out.

Can anyone make a justification for sending him? Props to Cupp for making it close.

I mean that's been every year with Cheese. Hell people forget that UVA saved us from one of his mistakes when he didn't send Hatcher against them in Omaha. I mean thank god UVA didn't have someone standing on 2nd or Cheese would've found a way to have both of them thrown out.

[Tbonewannabe]

I mean that's been every year with Cheese. Hell people forget that UVA saved us from one of his mistakes when he didn't send Hatcher against them in Omaha. I mean thank god UVA didn't have someone standing on 2nd or Cheese would've found a way to have both of them thrown out.

Yes, I recognize that he has never been good. Just pointing out that Lemonis obviously doesn't give a sh1t since Cheese is still at 3rd. Maybe he is a great coach and recruiter but he is horrible on 3rd.

[Pancho]

we have a team full of mediocre talent when compared with other SEC teams. does selmon wait til after next year to see if the incoming freshman pitchers all save the day?

[Todd4State]

we have a team full of mediocre talent when compared with other SEC teams. does selmon wait til after next year to see if the incoming freshman pitchers all save the day?

I don't think it's a talent issue. It's a fundamentals issue.

[Coach34]

Trout went 1-10 and 2 walks
Downs 0-6 2 walks
Hines 2-10 and a walk
Highfill 2-9 but did hit a 3 run bomb
Reese was 3-12
Stallman 1-8

That group batted .163 together

Hungate and Williams gave up big bombs at crucial times
Davis walked 4 in 2.2 IP's

That's what the weekend basically came down to....the guys have to perform. That's the bottom line

[EdwardDrayton]

Players share equally the blame for our baserunning blunders.

[confucius say]

Some guys need to drop their nuts and play.

And we have to figure out roles, both in the lineup and on the mound. But that's hard to do though when you have a handful of guys competing for two spots and none of them will step up and take the spot.

[maroonmania]

Sending Cupp if there had been 2 outs would have been a little more understandable. Sending him with 1 out and your 2 hole hitter up was beyond stupid.

[Ranchdawg]

I agree in some cases it was players fault just doing incredible stupid stuff on the base running. But yesterday’s 3rd game against Tx it was all on Cheese. On the replay of us getting thrown out at home you can see Cheese waving our runner home as our player rounded 3rd. Whoa that was incredibly stupid call by Cheese. If Cheese had done what you are supposed to do in that situation we would have a runner at third with one out. And it’s much easier to score a runner from third.

[Tbonewannabe]

I agree in some cases it was players fault just doing incredible stupid stuff on the base running. But yesterday’s 3rd game against Tx it was all on Cheese. On the replay of us getting thrown out at home you can see Cheese waving our runner home as our player rounded 3rd. Whoa that was incredibly stupid call by Cheese. If Cheese had done what you are supposed to do in that situation we would have a runner at third with one out. And it’s much easier to score a runner from third.

Even Ben Mcdonald talked about it being incredibly stupid call. That was 100% on Cheese.

[Johnson85]

Trout went 1-10 and 2 walks
Downs 0-6 2 walks
Hines 2-10 and a walk
Highfill 2-9 but did hit a 3 run bomb
Reese was 3-12
Stallman 1-8

That group batted .163 together

Hungate and Williams gave up big bombs at crucial times
Davis walked 4 in 2.2 IP's

That's what the weekend basically came down to....the guys have to perform. That's the bottom line

This is Lemonis's 7th year here. In two of the last three seasons we've finished at or near the bottom of the conference. One year we've been on the hosting bubble. It's not like this year is an anomaly. If players are for the third year out of four years failing to make plays, at some point you have to think coaching has something to do with it, whether it's actual development or just identifying talent.

Maybe we are just snake bit at the beginning of the year and we're revert to the mean and we'll find out we're actually a pretty good team, but so far it looks like this is going to be Lemonis's swan song. We mostly haven't been far off from beating the decent to good teams we've played, but other than Texas, would anybody we've played sniff the top 10 in the SEC? And Texas probably isn't going to be one of the best SEC teams. Seems we're very likely to have a lot of 1-2 series against decent SEC teams and some 0-3 series against the good ones.

[basedog]

If I was Lemonis I would shake things up a bit by Coaching third base. It can’t hurt a dang thing plus it might help some on decisions at 3rd base.
He can manage maybe by being more closely involved.

[Cooterpoot]

Cheese is terrible at coaching our catchers and our base runners

[DawgFromOxford]

Cheese is terrible at coaching our catchers and our base runners

This. Is Cheese just an all star recruiter or what exactly is he doing to stick around. We can?t run the bases and we have problems at catcher. That?s been a trend for multiple years now.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Trout went 1-10 and 2 walks
Downs 0-6 2 walks
Hines 2-10 and a walk
Highfill 2-9 but did hit a 3 run bomb
Reese was 3-12
Stallman 1-8

That group batted .163 together

Hungate and Williams gave up big bombs at crucial times
Davis walked 4 in 2.2 IP's

That's what the weekend basically came down to....the guys have to perform. That's the bottom line

1) The coach is supposed to get "the guys to perform". A game or 2? Absolutely, blame the players. But a bad season? That's the HC just being bad at their job.

2) Hitting has not been good in years. I pointed out Jake G was mediocre and you defended him. Ultimately the offense doesn't come close to the top 15 output our recruiting rankings suggest it should be. I mean if we lack talent, then it's on Lemo and Jake G for recruiting mid players. If we have talent, then it's on Lemo and Jake G for not developing them. Either way, the offense has been lacking since TA carried them and it's on Lemo for not figuring that out

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This. Is Cheese just an all star recruiter or what exactly is he doing to stick around. We can?t run the bases and we have problems at catcher. That?s been a trend for multiple years now.

See here's the thing: we have mid talent overall. Not bad, but not elite. We have 3 coaches: Lemo, Cheese, and Jake G. So if Cheese is actually an "elite recruiter", what are the other 2? Neither of them can be particularly good at recruiting or our talent level would be higher

[viverlibre]

If I was Lemonis I would shake things up a bit by Coaching third base. It can’t hurt a dang thing plus it might help some on decisions at 3rd base.
He can manage maybe by being more closely involved.

He can have a bucket out there?

[Coach34]

1) The coach is supposed to get "the guys to perform". A game or 2? Absolutely, blame the players. But a bad season? That's the HC just being bad at their job.

2) Hitting has not been good in years. I pointed out Jake G was mediocre and you defended him. Ultimately the offense doesn't come close to the top 15 output our recruiting rankings suggest it should be. I mean if we lack talent, then it's on Lemo and Jake G for recruiting mid players. If we have talent, then it's on Lemo and Jake G for not developing them. Either way, the offense has been lacking since TA carried them and it's on Lemo for not figuring that out

I agree 100% its up to the Coaching staff to get them to perform and make out the right line-up. This team should be better offensively than last season. If they dont perform? It's a coaching failure. We got 27 more SEC games to see where we end up. Like the guys that write the big checks when we fire someone- I'm waiting to see it play out.

I expect us to go win the Oklahoma series

[HoopsDawg]

I agree 100% its up to the Coaching staff to get them to perform and make out the right line-up. This team should be better offensively than last season. If they dont perform? It's a coaching failure. We got 27 more SEC games to see where we end up. Like the guys that write the big checks when we fire someone- I'm waiting to see it play out.

I expect us to go win the Oklahoma series

I tried to tell we didn't come close to replacing Mershon, Jordan and Hujsak

[Coach34]

But we have. We are 20 games into a 55 game schedule. They are ahead of last years pace

[basedog]

But we have. We are 20 games into a 55 game schedule. They are ahead of last years pace

You need to quit pumping shine 34, I realize it's early as others do but come on! Hell, I hope we win also but.....

[tcdog70]

If I was Lemonis I would shake things up a bit by Coaching third base. It can?t hurt a dang thing plus it might help some on decisions at 3rd base.
He can manage maybe by being more closely involved.

Could he still sit on his bucket?

[basedog]

Could he still sit on his bucket?

Well, it use to work but I think it was left from previous staff, LOL!

[Coach34]

You need to quit pumping shine 34, I realize it's early as others do but come on! Hell, I hope we win also but.....

Not pumping anything- the stats are what they are. We'll see if they continue to put them up or wilt in SEC play

[DawgFromOxford]

Not pumping anything- the stats are what they are. We'll see if they continue to put them up or wilt in SEC play

So far our stats have lead to 1 win that?s worth anything

[Big4Dawg]

But we have. We are 20 games into a 55 game schedule. They are ahead of last years pace

How so? last year we were 15-6 at this time (71%). We are 13-7 now (65%). Sounds like we are behind last years pace

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

But we have. We are 20 games into a 55 game schedule. They are ahead of last years pace

Last year after opening weekend our RPI as 52. This year, it's 86. We have consistently beaten bad teams but are 1-7 vs Q1 and Q2 teams, which is usually a good indicator that a team simply has a low ceiling

[HoopsDawg]

Last year after opening weekend our RPI as 52. This year, it's 86. We have consistently beaten bad teams but are 1-7 vs Q1 and Q2 teams, which is usually a good indicator that a team simply has a low ceiling

Also, Lemonis continues to be clueless when it comes to scheduling

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also, Lemonis continues to be clueless when it comes to scheduling

I mean I thought we scheduled pretty good. We played 4 top 25 teams before SEC play began and played one of them twice. We didn't get close to that last year. We just didn't win with our chances.

[Coach34]

How so? last year we were 15-6 at this time (71%). We are 13-7 now (65%). Sounds like we are behind last years pace

was talking the hitting stats in reference to replacing who we replaced

[Coach34]

Also, Lemonis continues to be clueless when it comes to scheduling

There is nothing wrong with the scheduling- it's the losing

[HoopsDawg]

There is nothing wrong with the scheduling- it's the losing

You are wrong. It's embarrassing to have home series against Queens, Manhattan, and Missouri State. Have some pride.

[Coach34]

You are wrong. It's embarrassing to have home series against Queens, Manhattan, and Missouri State. Have some pride.

Yessssssss

Lets play Purdue-Fort Wayne like LSU
Dartmouth like Texas
Elon and Cal-Poly like A&M
Air Force like Florida- (oh wait- we did that last year)
Hofstra and St Bonaventure like Tennessee

Some of you need to realize we do the same shit the other SEC schools do. Your hate of Lemonis makes you like Dems on Trump- irrational.

[Coach34]

Missouri State has made 3 Super Regional appearances

[Todd4State]

You are wrong. It's embarrassing to have home series against Queens, Manhattan, and Missouri State. Have some pride.

Why do our fans think that every SEC team is scheduling brand name teams every weekend?

That tournament in Houston we played in is better competition wise than a lot of SEC teams entire pre-SEC weekend schedule.

[State82]

You are wrong. It's embarrassing to have home series against Queens, Manhattan, and Missouri State. Have some pride.

Well, Mizzou State is nothing at all like the other two. Nothing wrong with playing them.

[Coach34]

Why do our fans think that every SEC team is scheduling brand name teams every weekend?

Because alot of our fans think college baseball is still in 1988

[HoopsDawg]

Because alot of our fans think college baseball is still in 1988

You must not like hosting.

[HoopsDawg]

Well, Mizzou State is nothing at all like the other two. Nothing wrong with playing them.

Yeah, they would be fine if we weren't also playing Queens. I just imagine being Lemonis sitting in my office on my leather bucket putting together a schedule. And I say, you know who we really need to play...Queens. That's the ticket to a great RPI.

[Todd4State]

Because alot of our fans think college baseball is still in 1988

Our schedule was probably worse then. We were playing people like Livingston and Belhaven at that time.

[Todd4State]

You must not like hosting.


Yeah, they would be fine if we weren't also playing Queens. I just imagine being Lemonis sitting in my office on my leather bucket putting together a schedule. And I say, you know who we really need to play...Queens. That's the ticket to a great RPI.

Guess what? All of our teams that have ever hosted have played a similar or easier OOC schedule than the one we have this year.

RPI is much more about not losing as much as it is who you play.

Here's current RPI number 1 Tennessee's OOC schedule.

Hofstra (RPI 207)
UNC Ashville (RPI 155)
Samford (RPI 134) Guess who plays them in one week?
North Alabama (RPI 187) Seems familiar?
Oklahoma State (RPI 67)
Rice (RPI 210)
Arizona (RPI 31)- We should play in a tournament like this- oh wait...
Radford (RPI 172)
Xavier (RPI 2) With an 8-13 record it's a pretty safe bet that this is going to drop
St. Bonaventure (RPI 57) This is the name brand team you're talking about right?
West Georgia (RPI 235)
East Tennessee State (RPI 24) Another name brand RPI team. Their RPI is probably being inflated by beating Tennessee.

And guess who else is on Tennessee's OOC list- Queens. I guess Vitello is a joke when he puts together Tennessee's schedule too?

MSU's schedule

Manhatten RPI 252
USM RPI 47 and a top 25 team on the road
Missouri State RPI 257
Troy RPI 17
See above for Houston Classic teams
USM RPI 47 at home meaning our first three midweek games were against top 25 teams
Queens RPI 116- actually better than most of Tennessee's opponents and hardly a RPI killer
Old Dominion RPI 54 in Biloxi
Nicholls RPI 173 in Biloxi
Jackson State RPI 272 and one of the better HBCU baseball programs in the game

[EdwardDrayton]

I think I read RPI uses the opponents winning percentage and opponent's opponents winning percentage as the metric for our strength of schedule.

So it really doesn't seem to measure the relative strength between an SEC team and a SWAC team for example. Now I'm not a scholar of these metrics so feel free to chime in if it does in some way.

[KOdawg1]

"The players just have to perform" excuse might have merit if this was just sporadic and random incidents, but it's been happening frequently for 4 years now, so that tells me we're doing a piss poor job of coaching. Or evaluating the wrong players which again falls back to coaching.