Baylor vs state (-1.5) at 11:15 Friday

[msstate7]

Opened Baylor -1.5

[parabrave]

Opened Baylor -1.5

We should win this one,.

[msstate7]

We should win this one,.

Successful season if we do.

[msstate7]

And I hate this game time. If we lose, it ruins the whole day of games

[civildawg]

We should win this one,.

I've heard that about 5 times in the past 2 weeks and it hasn't worked out

[PGHBulldogBG]

I?m glad it?s 12:15 on Friday and not Thursday. I just really want to win to get a shot at Duke.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We win. 75-64.

Then it is time to Jordan Rules Cooper Flagg.

[BeardoMSU]

And I hate this game time. If we lose, it ruins the whole day of games

Just start drinking as early as you can, homie.

Or better yet, start drinking tomorrow...and don't stop until after our game Friday.**

[chef dixon]

And I hate this game time. If we lose, it ruins the whole day of games

Better than last year. We were like 11a on Thursday so the tournament was over before it started for our fans

[KOdawg1]

Very solid match up for us.

Baylor plays at a slow pace. They aren't an efficient defense. They're okay on offense, but they aren't an elite shooting team or anything. Really, they go as far as VJ Edgecombe takes them. So put Shawn Jones on him and tell him to go everywhere he goes and pester the shit out of him.

The goal is to win one and then get whooped by Duke but at least you're there. We really need this win.

[EdwardDrayton]

I?m glad it?s 12:15 on Friday and not Thursday. I just really want to win to get a shot at Duke.

Careful what you wish for PittBull. The Duke game could be a crime scene when it's over.

(BTW, spent a few years in the Burgh; one of my corporate stops. Resulted in me being a fanatic Pens fan)

[HoopsDawg]

Very solid match up for us.

Baylor plays at a slow pace. They aren't an efficient defense. They're okay on offense, but they aren't an elite shooting team or anything. Really, they go as far as VJ Edgecombe takes them. So put Shawn Jones on him and tell him to go everywhere he goes and pester the shit out of him.

The goal is to win one and then get whooped by Duke but at least you're there. We really need this win.

Cam is going to shut down Flagg

[EdwardDrayton]

Cam is going to shut down Flagg

Oh I so want you to be right Hoops but I can't see that even through the Maroon tint.

[Coach34]

put 50 on us tonight. We going to win a game

[Dawgology]

Very solid match up for us.

Baylor plays at a slow pace. They aren't an efficient defense. They're okay on offense, but they aren't an elite shooting team or anything. Really, they go as far as VJ Edgecombe takes them. So put Shawn Jones on him and tell him to go everywhere he goes and pester the shit out of him.

The goal is to win one and then get whooped by Duke but at least you're there. We really need this win.

This just tells me that they will play faster than they have ever played before, have a historical defensive night, and shoot lights out with 30 points off the bench. I wish I was joking.

[parabrave]

Cam is going to shut down Flagg
So cams gonna play linebacker and the other guy is going to play running back for duke. Cause thats the only way we stop him

[BeardoMSU]

Cam is going to shut down Flagg

I worry about the refs calling ticky-tacky BS and getting Cam in foul trouble....

[StarkVegasSteve]

So cams gonna play linebacker and the other guy is going to play running back for duke. Cause thats the only way we stop him

No you tell Melendez, Matthews, Jones, and Murphy that they have 20 fouls between them. When comes in the lane you put him on his ass. EVERY TIME. He's already timid from an injury so if you play rough with him, he'll start to get frustrated. And that's when he fouls.

Everyone thinks Duke is this unstoppable force, they're not. They're a good basketball team, but we've played some pretty good teams this year as well. They have lottery picks, we played a few lottery picks this year as well. Let's just get to the second round and then we'll let the chips fall where they may.

[chef dixon]

You guys are smoking large amounts of crack cocaine if you think we are shutting down Flagg in that potential match up

[StarkVegasSteve]

You guys are smoking large amounts of crack cocaine if you think we are shutting down Flagg in that potential match up

It's not about "shutting" him down. He's going to get his 20/8. It's about not letting him have 40/15. And it's about not letting Knueppel go 5-8 from 3 or letting Proctor go for 14/8.

This is something people never grasped from The Jordan Rules. It wasn't about limiting Jordan's scoring. He was going to get to the FT line. It's about making him think twice about driving the lane. Because if he's thinking twice about it then you sure as hell know Scottie Pippin and John Paxson and Craig Hodges are thinking twice about it. And if you take away one part of their game, they're going to have to hyperfocus to try to get shots in other ways and that causes them to start forcing shots.

[gtowndawg]

You guys are smoking large amounts of crack cocaine if you think we are shutting down Flagg in that potential match up

Yeah, even if he's not 100% it will be VERY hard. Beside that, let's just win a game before we worry about the 2nd round.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, even if he's not 100% it will be VERY hard. Beside that, let's just win a game before we worry about the 2nd round.

EXACTLY. Let's get a win under our belts. Then our fanbase can start complaining again. Never seen a fanbase run down a team as much as ours runs down the basketball team. Who needs rivals? Our own fans say FAR WORSE stuff to our players.

[msstate7]

Yeah, even if he's not 100% it will be VERY hard. Beside that, let's just win a game before we worry about the 2nd round.

It's usually not the star that kills us anyway. They'll have a guard that usually scores 8 ppg, and he will hit 6 threes. I don't care if we lose to Duke by 40 though... just please beat Baylor.

[msstate7]

EXACTLY. Let's get a win under our belts. Then our fanbase can start complaining again. Never seen a fanbase run down a team as much as ours runs down the basketball team. Who needs rivals? Our own fans say FAR WORSE stuff to our players.

Our hate of the basketball team is weird. It's like our fans think you can only like 2 sports, so one has to be ripped nonstop.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our hate of the basketball team is weird. It's like our fans think you can only like 2 sports, so one has to be ripped nonstop.

Oh it's quite easy to figure out. It's not hard at all. And I'm not saying it's anyone on this board, but search social media and you can start to figure out what they're actually saying and why they're saying it. They don't say the same thing about the baseball team.

[EdwardDrayton]

Don't think folks hate the team. They get frustrated and spew; there's no gatekeeping at the lips to catch the emotion in the moment of frustration.

[gtowndawg]

Don't think folks hate the team. They get frustrated and spew; there's no gatekeeping at the lips to catch the emotion in the moment of frustration.

Football is where I lose all ability to think rationally, especially when I'm watching in person. If it's going bad, I want everyone fired. Professors, Keenum, ticket takers, all of them lol.

[EdwardDrayton]

Football is where I lose all ability to think rationally, especially when I'm watching in person. If it's going bad, I want everyone fired. Professors, Keenum, ticket takers, all of them lol.

LOL!!! I think we've all been there a few times. It's hard being a State fan!!

[Tater]

Oh it's quite easy to figure out. It's not hard at all. And I'm not saying it's anyone on this board, but search social media and you can start to figure out what they're actually saying and why they're saying it. They don't say the same thing about the baseball team.

Hmm. I can't qwhite put my finger on what you might be insinuating.

[CaptainObvious]

It's the 80/20 rule in action!

Facts: Football team is actually a bunch of overachievers 80% of the time.

Facts: Basketball team is actually a bunch of underachievers 80% of the time.

Facts: Until Polk II and then again since the start of 2022, Baseball was actually a bunch of overachievers 80% of the time!


Simple statistics!

[NCMSTFAN]

Hmm. I can't qwhite put my finger on what you might be insinuating.

I would hope that's not the case but it does appear that way sometimes

[Tater]

I would hope that's not the case but it does appear that way sometimes

It usually is for idiots. And social media amplifies idiotic opinions because it gets the most engagement. So the way it goes. Every fan base has em. My experience in person is vastly different from my experience online with regards to our fanbase if it's any consolation. Not so much for Oxfart though.

[Pancho]

what is being insinuated?

[Homedawg]

Cam is going to shut down Flagg

Bahahahahhaha

[HoopsDawg]

Bahahahahhaha

You like that?

[StarkVegasSteve]

what is being insinuated?

That some of our older fans who shouldn't have the ability to use social media are extremely racist. They've called our basketball team so pretty pointed names that are a hop, skip, and a jump from being really bad. Those same people talk about how the baseball team plays hard and does stuff the right way.

[msstate7]

You like that?

A bad ankle is the only stopping him vs us if we make the 2nd round.

[R2Dawg]

That some of our older fans who shouldn't have the ability to use social media are extremely racist. They've called our basketball team so pretty pointed names that are a hop, skip, and a jump from being really bad. Those same people talk about how the baseball team plays hard and does stuff the right way.

How are they racist?

How do you know how old they are?

I haven't seen what you are claiming. Give us an example?

[R2Dawg]

Oh it's quite easy to figure out. It's not hard at all. And I'm not saying it's anyone on this board, but search social media and you can start to figure out what they're actually saying and why they're saying it. They don't say the same thing about the baseball team.

Oh OK, I haven't seen anything on this board either so why bring it up?

I've seen plenty of legit criticism of our basketball and baseball team that both have deserved. Has nothing to do with race.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How are they racist?

How do you know how old they are?

I haven't seen what you are claiming. Give us an example?

Last week someone tweeted at Kugel to stay off the pills. They consistently call him and Harris out anytime they miss a shot and I have seen them say they play Jackson ball. Same folks said that Lamar Peters needed to learn to play PG and be more like John Stockton and less like Magic Johnson. Hell I got into an argument this year with someone saying we needed to play like the Celtics when Bob Cousy and Havlicek ran the point since Bailey Howell was sitting beside us. Bailey turned to him and said that Cousy and Havlicek made more behind the back passes than any of the players today.

Again, no one on here because most on here are at least knowledgeable basketball people and watch more than us and the local private school.

[NCMSTFAN]

Last week someone tweeted at Kugel to stay off the pills. They consistently call him and Harris out anytime they miss a shot and I have seen them say they play Jackson ball. Same folks said that Lamar Peters needed to learn to play PG and be more like John Stockton and less like Magic Johnson. Hell I got into an argument this year with someone saying we needed to play like the Celtics when Bob Cousy and Havlicek ran the point since Bailey Howell was sitting beside us. Bailey turned to him and said that Cousy and Havlicek made more behind the back passes than any of the players today.

Again, no one on here because most on here are at least knowledgeable basketball people and watch more than us and the local private school.

Yep! I try ignoring it but I've seen similar things, Not on this board though

[msugolf]

Yep! I try ignoring it but I've seen similar things, Not on this board though

We still have a lot of good ol boys in this fanbase. Had someone tell me he didnt like the culture around the game of basketball which is why he never liked it. Said he liked watching the Butlers, Wisconsins teams play and win though smh. Just come out and say it dude.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We still have a lot of good ol boys in this fanbase. Had someone tell me he didnt like the culture around the game of basketball which is why he never liked it. Said he liked watching the Butlers, Wisconsins teams play and win though smh. Just come out and say it dude.

We do and that is what I was saying. By and large, our fanbase is good, but there are still some good ole boys in the fanbase that will make some comments that will make you double take and unfortunately some of those people now use social media.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Back to the original topic. Very interesting that 63% of the money so far has come in on Baylor but the line has not budged. Tells me Vegas is very high on us and the big money is probably still coming in on us.

[EdwardDrayton]

Most books have us at -1 to -1.5. Think that's pretty accurate. We'll win but it will be close.

[Santiago]

We still have a lot of good ol boys in this fanbase. Had someone tell me he didnt like the culture around the game of basketball which is why he never liked it. Said he liked watching the Butlers, Wisconsins teams play and win though smh. Just come out and say it dude.

I would find myself pulling for any team, regardless of color, that had nice ball movement, space the floor , etc.
A reason I enjoy what we are seeing at MSU with Hubbard....not the prototypical NBA size guard. Similar to Curry.
Getting on a tangent but we have had some really memorable players recently and currently on our teams. The type of players you could bring your kid to a game and point to him on the floor and say, "watch how he plays and hustles, and pattern yourself to that".

[BulldogDX55]

Is Flagg not out with a sprained ankle? Feels like a situation where even if he is healthy enough to play through, he's already locked up #1 overall draft pick so I could see advisors telling him that his ankle hurts too much to play.

[msstate7]

Is Flagg not out with a sprained ankle? Feels like a situation where even if he is healthy enough to play through, he's already locked up #1 overall draft pick so I could see advisors telling him that his ankle hurts too much to play.

Can you further damage a sprained ankle? I say there's no way he doesn't play us or Baylor

[R2Dawg]

We still have a lot of good ol boys in this fanbase. Had someone tell me he didnt like the culture around the game of basketball which is why he never liked it. Said he liked watching the Butlers, Wisconsins teams play and win though smh. Just come out and say it dude.

Some of yall are trying to make everything about race when it ain't. We've complained about the culture when Moorhead took over football - nothing to do with skin color.

Saying John Stockton vs Magic well no player can change their skin color; that comment to me is about style and approach to the game. So is shooting 3s a white thing? Is dunking a black thing? So if a white guy dunks is he playing black? If a black guy shoots a 3 is he playing white?

Basketball is basketball - there is no white and black basketball. But people can still have a style they like and not be racist about it. I don't get it.

Not flaming anyone on the discussion, just I don't know why too many love to drag race into discussions that were never said.

[R2Dawg]

I would find myself pulling for any team, regardless of color, that had nice ball movement, space the floor , etc.
A reason I enjoy what we are seeing at MSU with Hubbard....not the prototypical NBA size guard. Similar to Curry.
Getting on a tangent but we have had some really memorable players recently and currently on our teams. The type of players you could bring your kid to a game and point to him on the floor and say, "watch how he plays and hustles, and pattern yourself to that".

Totally agree. What fans cheer their teams on - they don't care what color they are. Sports is probably the most unifying thing out there yet too many want to cast division. I love the way most of our guys play the game - Cam, Jones, Harris, and company. This team has had great chemistry and attitude for the most part. Can't

[StateDawg44]

Some of yall are trying to make everything about race when it ain't. We've complained about the culture when Moorhead took over football - nothing to do with skin color.

Saying John Stockton vs Magic well no player can change their skin color; that comment to me is about style and approach to the game. So is shooting 3s a white thing? Is dunking a black thing? So if a white guy dunks is he playing black? If a black guy shoots a 3 is he playing white?

Basketball is basketball - there is no white and black basketball. But people can still have a style they like and not be racist about it. I don't get it.

Not flaming anyone on the discussion, just I don't know why too many love to drag race into discussions that were never said.


I kind of agree. I'm not seeing the posts they are referring to so I really don't know. But if that was the example that's trying to make it something it's not.

[Pancho]

I think the folks claiming racism have issues themselves personally for some reason. I call bunk on it. donate more is the only option

[KOdawg1]

Oh it's quite easy to figure out. It's not hard at all. And I'm not saying it's anyone on this board, but search social media and you can start to figure out what they're actually saying and why they're saying it. They don't say the same thing about the baseball team.

Bingo.

[RezDog7]

I think both the basketball and baseball teams are mentally fragile. Can never make the clutch shot or get the clutch hit.

[Tater]

Some of yall are trying to make everything about race when it ain't. We've complained about the culture when Moorhead took over football - nothing to do with skin color.

Saying John Stockton vs Magic well no player can change their skin color; that comment to me is about style and approach to the game. So is shooting 3s a white thing? Is dunking a black thing? So if a white guy dunks is he playing black? If a black guy shoots a 3 is he playing white?

Basketball is basketball - there is no white and black basketball. But people can still have a style they like and not be racist about it. I don't get it.

Not flaming anyone on the discussion, just I don't know why too many love to drag race into discussions that were never said.

I'll just put it like this. In the last year the mask has really come off. Just look at Jackie Robinson's army story getting scrubbed from the DoD until major backlash over disrespecting a veteran came out and now it's been restored.

When people tell you something is racially motivated and you disagree - try this process.

Instead of the thought "why is this person trying to say stuff is about race when I don't see it", try out the thought "Why do I not see this as racist when others are saying it is?"

We need more people in this world to approach conversations from a "why do I not see what this person sees" rather than a "why does this person not see what I see".

To expand on that and show you how I do it: I can totally see how you think comments like that are not racist. It's very easy because that's what coded language is. If you didn't experience it and weren't taught about it - it seems like a foreign and made up concept. Some of your peers here took quite a few humanities while at State and have unique backgrounds that can see through the veil and coding - an old white person calling a young black man flashy and saying they should be more like John Stockton and less like Magic Johnson is coded racism. And it's also stupid - just do a ring check and Magic > Stockton.

[NCMSTFAN]

I'll just put it like this. In the last year the mask has really come off. Just look at Jackie Robinson's army story getting scrubbed from the DoD until major backlash over disrespecting a veteran came out and now it's been restored.

When people tell you something is racially motivated and you disagree - try this process.

Instead of the thought "why is this person trying to say stuff is about race when I don't see it", try out the thought "Why do I not see this as racist when others are saying it is?"

We need more people in this world to approach conversations from a "why do I not see what this person sees" rather than a "why does this person not see what I see".

To expand on that and show you how I do it: I can totally see how you think comments like that are not racist. It's very easy because that's what coded language is. If you didn't experience it and weren't taught about it - it seems like a foreign and made up concept. Some of your peers here took quite a few humanities while at State and have unique backgrounds that can see through the veil and coding - an old white person calling a young black man flashy and saying they should be more like John Stockton and less like Magic Johnson is coded racism. And it's also stupid - just do a ring check and Magic > Stockton.

I love this post. I hate making things about race but sometimes the truth is the truth and a lot of people turn a blind eye. I don't know you, your background or where you are from but I respect the hell out of that post and couldn't have said it anywhere close to how you just did.

[BulldogDX55]

I still remember less than a decade ago a slapfight on a Mississippi State facebook page that of course made rebel social media where it was just a picture of one of our RBs in spring camp (Aries Williams I think) and there were a handful of crusties telling him he needs to get a haircut because he wore his hair in braids.

[Hot Rock]

Why don't white people see racism as racism? Simple, they are not the ones be discriminated against, so they don't recognize it. I am an old white man and worked my ass off to get what I got but I would be lying if I said I didn't get chances black men didn't get. I have no qualifications other than work experience as I dropped out of HS. I did get my GED but damn, that ain't much. I make into 6 figures now in manufacturing and have worked hard for it but if I had done the same exact thing as a black man, I would still be a machine operator or at most first line supervisor making less than half the money I make now. Yes, I am good at what I do after a life time at my craft but I have seen good black men never get promoted beyond first line supervision with equal or better skills than I possess.

Back in 1983, I got a manager job with Foodway (grocery store chain based out of Fayette, AL) at age 20. I managed various stores in Henderson, TN, Aberdeen and Holly Springs for Foodway and gained lots of knowledge. I never did a particularly bad or good job, some may say different. My point is that there were plenty of qualified black men in the company that could have done just as good or better job and I knew it. I asked a friend who was a high level mgr with Foodway why a certain guy didn't get the chance. We both knew he was far better prepared than I. He said and I quote, "Foodway will never have another black mgr in one of it's stores because we had one once and it didn't go well." Lots of people fail at jobs, why did that one guy doing a bad job eliminate a whole race of people?

My wife was once demoted because she was a woman (loan company). The owner even told her that he would have never allowed her to be promoted and that he would not have a woman supervisor. He had let his son run the company for a couple years and his son had promoted my wife but the old man wanted back in. When that old man came back to work, he immediately demoted my wife. He replaced her with a man that was less qualified. After a couple years, they closed several her old offices and blamed the mgrs instead of the horrible supervision that had replaced my wife. We considered suing but she/we needed the job and the prospects weren't any better any where else.

You just take your shit and move on the best you can but you do get bitter from it. Once you get bitter, you get angry and you see shit that may or may not be there. So, the next time somebody claims racism, ask yourself a couple things:

1) You sure they aren't right? Really listen and try to understand the situation.

2) What has happened to them to make them this way? There is a reason they are angry or see things differently than you.

I think back to Colin Kaepernick. I don't particularly think he is a great QB but all that guy did was take a knee to bring attention to what is happening with Police brutality. My father was a police officer here in MS for 4 or 5 decades and grew up around lots of police. That was some of the most racist assholes you will ever know, not all but a lot of them. Some of them stopped every black guy that could and would write them every ticket they could muster and laugh at how much they had cost them. Same guys never even pulled over anyone white other than kids? Then they would just bully them before calling their parents to come get them.

Now, Musk is giving NAZI salutes and saying that Hitler was not responsible for killing millions of Jews back in WWII. My father liberated one of those concentration camps. He made me promise to never let anyone tell me that didn't happen.

[Homedawg]

Is Flagg not out with a sprained ankle? Feels like a situation where even if he is healthy enough to play through, he's already locked up #1 overall draft pick so I could see advisors telling him that his ankle hurts too much to play.

No. He's fine

[BeardoMSU]

No. He's fine

Maybe the Govt will mistake his tats for gang affiliation and deport him to Venezuela prior to us playing them.***

[NCMSTFAN]

Why don't white people see racism as racism? Simple, they are not the ones be discriminated against, so they don't recognize it. I am an old white man and worked my ass off to get what I got but I would be lying if I said I didn't get chances black men didn't get. I have no qualifications other than work experience as I dropped out of HS. I did get my GED but damn, that ain't much. I make into 6 figures now in manufacturing and have worked hard for it but if I had done the same exact thing as a black man, I would still be a machine operator or at most first line supervisor making less than half the money I make now. Yes, I am good at what I do after a life time at my craft but I have seen good black men never get promoted beyond first line supervision with equal or better skills than I possess.

Back in 1983, I got a manager job with Foodway (grocery store chain based out of Fayette, AL) at age 20. I managed various stores in Henderson, TN, Aberdeen and Holly Springs for Foodway and gained lots of knowledge. I never did a particularly bad or good job, some may say different. My point is that there were plenty of qualified black men in the company that could have done just as good or better job and I knew it. I asked a friend who was a high level mgr with Foodway why a certain guy didn't get the chance. We both knew he was far better prepared than I. He said and I quote, "Foodway will never have another black mgr in one of it's stores because we had one once and it didn't go well." Lots of people fail at jobs, why did that one guy doing a bad job eliminate a whole race of people?

My wife was once demoted because she was a woman (loan company). The owner even told her that he would have never allowed her to be promoted and that he would not have a woman supervisor. He had let his son run the company for a couple years and his son had promoted my wife but the old man wanted back in. When that old man came back to work, he immediately demoted my wife. He replaced her with a man that was less qualified. After a couple years, they closed several her old offices and blamed the mgrs instead of the horrible supervision that had replaced my wife. We considered suing but she/we needed the job and the prospects weren't any better any where else.

You just take your shit and move on the best you can but you do get bitter from it. Once you get bitter, you get angry and you see shit that may or may not be there. So, the next time somebody claims racism, ask yourself a couple things:

1) You sure they aren't right? Really listen and try to understand the situation.

2) What has happened to them to make them this way? There is a reason they are angry or see things differently than you.

I think back to Colin Kaepernick. I don't particularly think he is a great QB but all that guy did was take a knee to bring attention to what is happening with Police brutality. My father was a police officer here in MS for 4 or 5 decades and grew up around lots of police. That was some of the most racist assholes you will ever know, not all but a lot of them. Some of them stopped every black guy that could and would write them every ticket they could muster and laugh at how much they had cost them. Same guys never even pulled over anyone white other than kids? Then they would just bully them before calling their parents to come get them.

Now, Musk is giving NAZI salutes and saying that Hitler was not responsible for killing millions of Jews back in WWII. My father liberated one of those concentration camps. He made me promise to never let anyone tell me that didn't happen.

Respect to you Sir

[NCMSTFAN]

No. He's fine

Yes he's fine and his Mom has been ruffling feathers with her mouth. We have to get by Baylor first so I'm not trying to think that far ahead yet.

Thay said, I really hope we beat Baylor, I know we will be the underdogs if we face Duke but I just want a shot at them so bad. I live in Blue Blood territory and I'm surrounded by their fan bases, I'd love nothing more than to beat them!!!!

[Cowbeller]

So?.. State ML?

[DawgFromOxford]

GAME DAY!! Time to get a win in the tournament!

[NCMSTFAN]

GAME DAY!! Time to get a win in the tournament!

Early game too! Lets get this win so I can enjoy my Friday!

[StarkVegasSteve]

So?.. State ML?

It seems the smart money is on that. Between 63-65% of the money is on Baylor and the line hasn't moved an inch.

[NWADAWG]

I still remember less than a decade ago a slapfight on a Mississippi State facebook page that of course made rebel social media where it was just a picture of one of our RBs in spring camp (Aries Williams I think) and there were a handful of crusties telling him he needs to get a haircut because he wore his hair in braids.

I don't think the hair thing is race related. It's a generational thing. The generation of my parents grew up with WW2 and Vietnam. The heavy military influence and conservative values said respectable men and boys kept their hair over the ears and off the collar. Anything else made you look like a hooligan.

Only once in my high school playing days did a coach have to tell someone to get a haircut. On a team in Arkansas delta that was roughly 50/50 racially, a white kid from a well off family grew his hair out over the summer. He showed for fall practice that way. Coach told him not to come back on the field the next day if his hair stuck out past his helmet.

The coach believed he was helping a boy become a man by teaching him to look respectable.

I raised my boys the same way. No long hair as long as they lived in my house and/or lived off my money.

[Coach34]

I don't think the hair thing is race related. It's a generational thing. The generation of my parents grew up with WW2 and Vietnam. The heavy military influence and conservative values said respectable men and boys kept their hair over the ears and off the collar. Anything else made you look like a hooligan.

Only once in my high school playing days did a coach have to tell someone to get a haircut. On a team in Arkansas delta that was roughly 50/50 racially, a white kid from a well off family grew his hair out over the summer. He showed for fall practice that way. Coach told him not to come back on the field the next day if his hair stuck out past his helmet.

The coach believed he was helping a boy become a man by teaching him to look respectable.

I raised my boys the same way. No long hair as long as they lived in my house and/or lived off my money.

Agree with this. My thing is the nose ring or horseshoe piercing. Has nothing to do with color because while primarily a black thing- other races do it as well. I just think it look stupid. Especially the horse shoe one. Thats what they do to pigs. I dont know many 50 year olds that think that's a good look