The lemonis era has to end

[msstate7]

He's just not good.

[SteelCityDawg]

Surpise, surprise. We still suck.

[Quaoarsking]

https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-college-baseball-coaches/

#10 highest paid coach in America. He's just not producing for that salary.

[Bothrops]

If it weren't for Justin Parker we'd be really bad.

[Cooterpoot]

We got swept at home against a good team, games were pretty close, so about what I expected. We'll win some like these but we aren't going to host unless the easier schedule gets it for us.

[maroonmania]

We got swept at home against a good team, games were pretty close, so about what I expected. We'll win some like these but we aren't going to host unless the easier schedule gets it for us.

You expected to get swept at home? We are now 1-7 against any team with a pulse this year. That sucks.

[Cooterpoot]

You expected to get swept at home? We are now 1-7 against any team with a pulse this year. That sucks.

I did, why did you not? We're 35-58 in the SEC since we won the title.

[maroonmania]

I did, why did you not? We're 35-58 in the SEC since we won the title.

Yes, but 17-13 last year. Was hoping 2022-2023 were in the rear view mirror. Maybe not.

[Skydawg1]

If it weren't for Justin Parker we'd be really bad.Seriously? He's a major reason we got swept.

[Goldendawg]

Coach that Big Mouth Cohen couldn't get 3-0 over mid-pack Big 10 coach from Indiana(who won our NC with 4 other coaches' players including some Alpha dogs who several other coaches could have won with this bunch). Serious question, if we ever do let Lemonis go, will he ever coach in the SEC or another conference that plays big time college baseball or does he just sit on the multi-millions if he has made good investments? If we have a horrible baseball season(again), and baseball revenue falls, will the university be able to fund our football program this fall?*** We still have a beautiful $60 million dollar baseball stadium with a 4 star restaurant in left field to feed opposing fans and their players.***

[Cooterpoot]

Yes, but 17-13 last year. Was hoping 2022-2023 were in the rear view mirror. Maybe not.

This is our program now and the odds of Lemonis getting fired if he makes post season is nothing. He might not get fired if he misses it either with the settlement hanging over our broke asses. Hell, they're about to build the Lemonis Shrine aka a restaurant at The Dude.

[parabrave]

2 things that I just don't understand. 1. The Lineup is always a work in progress. If you have a player who is slumping then sometimes you move him around the order till he finds his spot. 2. There are 2 positions where the players def skills can outweigh his batting, SS and Catcher/ If you have a SS who can cover and shutdown between 2nd and 3rd and throw a dart to 1st then put him leadoff where he can walk or bunt to get on. Guys like that are super quick. A catcher who can block and keep balls from going past him and who can throw a lazer to 2nd from his knees is also a keeper, 7th or 8th. If your 1st baseman is a blackhole esp with RISP then he either goes to 7th or 8'h of you find someone who is 6'4" or taller who can stretch and can hit and put him at 1st. There is no excuse on keeping Freis on the GD bench. The guy was money in the Leadoff. Heck if he has a big vertical leap put him at 1st. All he has to do is throw the ball to the pitcher.

[HoopsDawg]

We are 1-7 this year against teams with a pulse.

[Medic601]

There are only two careers you can totally be a failure at and not be fired, apparently. A meteorologist and Mississippi State head baseball coach.

If 99% of us failed at our jobs as bad at Lemonis, we would have been fired years ago.

[parabrave]

There are only two careers you can totally be a failure at and not be fired, apparently. A meteorologist and Mississippi State head baseball coach.

If 99% of us failed at our jobs as bad at Lemonis, we would have been fired years ago.

Or a hitting coach.

[Cooterpoot]

We need football to show a good jump and invest there, Fingers crossed lol
Until we start hitting fans in the pocketbook for that damn outfield party, I'm not worrying much about baseball. It's about sharing sausage and getting way more than football fans get for their money. That's got to stop. Our delusional baseball fans can't even see we're barely better than USM and OM baseball is right on our heels. It's not an elite program, it's a 17ing party and more about the damn stadium.

[Coursesuper]

We need football to show a good jump and invest there, Fingers crossed lol
Until we start hitting fans in the pocketbook for that damn outfield party, I'm not worrying much about baseball. It's about sharing sausage and getting way more than football fans get for their money. That's got to stop

You better duck, and I agree with you on that.

[HoopsDawg]

We need football to show a good jump and invest there, Fingers crossed lol
Until we start hitting fans in the pocketbook for that damn outfield party, I'm not worrying much about baseball. It's about sharing sausage and getting way more than football fans get for their money. That's got to stop. Our delusional baseball fans can't even see we're barely better than USM and OM baseball is right on our heels. It's not an elite program, it's a 17ing party and more about the damn stadium.

we get it. you don't like baseball.

[Cooterpoot]

we get it. you don't like baseball.

I love baseball, but this isn't 1985. For me to worry about an elite baseball program, football has to find footing and the football fans are getting killed money wise to basically help pay for baseball. It's time the people getting cheap rides in that outfield pay up big if they're so called omitted to baseball.

[basedog]

We have lost our swag in Baseball. Fundamentals are lacking big time! Lemonis……well no need to say anything! iYKYK!!!

[KOdawg1]

Thanks for not wrecking the car and winning us a natty Lem.

Now good luck at The Citadel. We need a coach that can win in this era. You cannot.

[EdwardDrayton]

We are 1-7 this year against teams with a pulse.

That's the basis for concern. And we're seeing the same problematic issues in every phase of the game.

[schddog72]

We got swept at home against a good team, games were pretty close, so about what I expected. We'll win some like these but we aren't going to host unless the easier schedule gets it for us.

EASIER????????? How is it going to get easier when 12 of 16 SEC teams are in the top 25, AND WE AINT ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EdwardDrayton]

Not ready to say fire him because that will set us back for a while before the ship gets righted and it gets better. But he has some uphill work to do to not get fired.

[Coach34]

Losing record in the SEC and a Regional exit I think he is gone

Its got to play out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We need football to show a good jump and invest there, Fingers crossed lol
Until we start hitting fans in the pocketbook for that damn outfield party, I'm not worrying much about baseball. It's about sharing sausage and getting way more than football fans get for their money. That's got to stop. Our delusional baseball fans can't even see we're barely better than USM and OM baseball is right on our heels. It's not an elite program, it's a 17ing party and more about the damn stadium.

It's the baseball grove. I guarantee I could ask 100 people at any given time what the count was and 85 of them wouldn't know what the score was, much less the count. It's always been kind of bad in regards to feeding the other team, other fans, etc. But it's gotten awful since the new stadium was built. No one even gives the other teams outfielders hell anymore because Everett or Phil Silva might yell at them for being too mean.

I hate agreeing with Cooterpoot but he's right on the money. The Grove gets way more out of their money than any other sport on campus. We're losing money because we make those damn rigs so cheap. Jack the price up to 15-20K a season, which is still a bargain and they'll start paying attention and actually giving a crap about the product on the field more than the product on their grill. I mean a regular suite, which those things are, cost 36K for a small one and 54K for the big ones. We're charging less than 5K for the lounge spots. I'd be ok with charging 30-40K for them. But Everett, Phil Silva, and Hobie would revolt that we were pricing the fans out.

[Brobi-wan]

we get it. you don't like baseball.

He?s 100% right.

[Bdawg]

It's the baseball grove. I guarantee I could ask 100 people at any given time what the count was and 85 of them wouldn't know what the score was, much less the count. It's always been kind of bad in regards to feeding the other team, other fans, etc. But it's gotten awful since the new stadium was built. No one even gives the other teams outfielders hell anymore because Everett or Phil Silva might yell at them for being too mean.

I hate agreeing with Cooterpoot but he's right on the money. The Grove gets way more out of their money than any other sport on campus. We're losing money because we make those damn rigs so cheap. Jack the price up to 15-20K a season, which is still a bargain and they'll start paying attention and actually giving a crap about the product on the field more than the product on their grill. I mean a regular suite, which those things are, cost 36K for a small one and 54K for the big ones. We're charging less than 5K for the lounge spots. I'd be ok with charging 30-40K for them. But Everett, Phil Silva, and Hobie would revolt that we were pricing the fans out.

Back in the day, Everet and Silva would have been told to go 17 themselves!! Man we used to have fun drinking beer, cooking and giving the outfielders total S*** the whole game. Those outfielders used to earn that hotdog, burger, etc. in the old stadium!

[Coursesuper]

Not ready to say fire him because that will set us back for a while before the ship gets righted and it gets better. But he has some uphill work to do to not get fired.

Replacing this staff will suck yes, its money we don't have and will be a complete renovation of the program. But at this point its about what does the athletic department want the program to be? Competing in for a top 8 seed, only trying to qualify for the post season or just letting left field loungers drink beer, cook and socialize? This still has to play out and there is a good chunk of the season to go so we shall see.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Back in the day, Everet and Silva would have been told to go 17 themselves!! Man we used to have fun drinking beer, cooking and giving the outfielders total S*** the whole game. Those outfielders used to earn that hotdog, burger, etc. in the old stadium!

When the old stadium was torn down, the old ways died with it. I remember we used to give the left fielders HELL. Now, we might also pass them a beer after the game but during the game, there were some colorful adjectives thrown their way.

Now you can't be mean because their parents might be out there. Or you can't say things cause kids are out there. Like that stuff happened before and no one cared. You know I always thought it was crazy that people were so sad we were redoing the stadium, but maybe they saw what I didn't see at the time. Maybe they saw the old ways dying a slow painful death.

[Cooterpoot]

EASIER????????? How is it going to get easier when 12 of 16 SEC teams are in the top 25, AND WE AINT ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our schedule in conference was rated one of the easiest in the SEC. There's no "easy" but it's a beneficial set up for us.
There was a time when I'd do anything to watch State baseball but that's over. We've catered to a certain group of folks who only care about the shit in that outfield and bragging about the stadium. They'd rather read articles about the cooking setups and feeding visiting fans and they hate the average Stare fan and don't give a shit about winning.

[Coursesuper]

When the old stadium was torn down, the old ways died with it. I remember we used to give the left fielders HELL. Now, we might also pass them a beer after the game but during the game, there were some colorful adjectives thrown their way.

Now you can't be mean because their parents might be out there. Or you can't say things cause kids are out there. Like that stuff happened before and no one cared. You know I always thought it was crazy that people were so sad we were redoing the stadium, but maybe they saw what I didn't see at the time. Maybe they saw the old ways dying a slow painful death.

It was a unique experience found only in the LFL. Now it is something that anyone else in the country, that is willing, can and will duplicate.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It was a unique experience found only in the LFL. Now it is something that anyone else in the country, that is willing, can and will duplicate.

Correct. If you don't think this is about to be replicated at Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc when they have the money then you're kidding yourself. It's just a matter of time.

[HoopsDawg]

He?s 100% right.

No, he's not. There is zero correlation between football and baseball. Wanting the outfield people to have to pay more money to the university is quite a take.

And complaining about showing hospitality to visiting fans and teams is a stupid take. We used to feed regional teams in the 80s so nothing has changed there.

[msstate7]

No, he's not. There is zero correlation between football and baseball. Wanting the outfield people to have to pay more money to the university is quite a take.

And complaining about showing hospitality to visiting fans and teams is a stupid take. We used to feed regional teams in the 80s so nothing has changed there.

Yeah, we aren't good in baseball anymore, and it has nothing to do with our fans.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And the really bad thing about the LFL stuff is that people are calling them out for it and they just double down on it. Like just admit that we don't need to be feeding the opposing team a 4 course meal after they kick our ass and that it's a bad look. Maybe admit that they don't need to trip over themselves and push Mississippi State fans out of the way so they can be the first person to give a Texas fan a 12 oz filet and a case of Michelob.

I can't really pinpoint when the going out of our way so we could get noticed on Twitter crap started but I think it was around the 2019 postseason when the CMU baseball team came out to the outfield and then the Supers that year when David Esquer's wife wrote that article talking about how nice our fans were. It seems like ever since then we've had fans that try to fall all over themselves to see who can get noticed on Twitter for being the nicest person. I won't call them out by name, but you can get on Twitter and easily figure out who I'm talking about. And it's not just Everett and Silva. There's another big one that I got into an argument with yesterday about it. I told him it looked silly as shit that we were feeding the other team and their fans after they beat us. You can't make them see it though at this point. They're too far down the rabbit hole of trying to see who's going to mention them in a tweet.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No, he's not. There is zero correlation between football and baseball. Wanting the outfield people to have to pay more money to the university is quite a take.

And complaining about showing hospitality to visiting fans and teams is a stupid take. We used to feed regional teams in the 80s so nothing has changed there.

After all the games were over and we kicked their ass. We didn't feed them after EVERY GAME when they beat us. And it's not a bad take. Teams need to fear the trip to Dudy Noble, not fast for it.

[BankerDog]

It's the baseball grove. I guarantee I could ask 100 people at any given time what the count was and 85 of them wouldn't know what the score was, much less the count. It's always been kind of bad in regards to feeding the other team, other fans, etc. But it's gotten awful since the new stadium was built. No one even gives the other teams outfielders hell anymore because Everett or Phil Silva might yell at them for being too mean.

I hate agreeing with Cooterpoot but he's right on the money. The Grove gets way more out of their money than any other sport on campus. We're losing money because we make those damn rigs so cheap. Jack the price up to 15-20K a season, which is still a bargain and they'll start paying attention and actually giving a crap about the product on the field more than the product on their grill. I mean a regular suite, which those things are, cost 36K for a small one and 54K for the big ones. We're charging less than 5K for the lounge spots. I'd be ok with charging 30-40K for them. But Everett, Phil Silva, and Hobie would revolt that we were pricing the fans out.

It?s this simple: athletic budget shows $2.5MM in revenue for baseball however we spend $5.5MM on it. Thus we have a loss of $3MM.

We claim we are elite program, we have elite college baseball fans. It?s about time that the coaches stop coaching and running this program like a Double A team and start running it like an elite program. And until that time comes, we need to shift about $3MM of that $5MM in expenses to football and basketball. They pay the bills. End of story.

[BankerDog]

After all the games were over and we kicked their ass. We didn't feed them after EVERY GAME when they beat us. And it's not a bad take. Teams need to fear the trip to Dudy Noble, not fast for it.

Would rather be nice and lose than win and be proud. I have seen it all now

[Coursesuper]

Yeah, we aren't good in baseball anymore, and it has nothing to do with our fans.

That's not entirely true, it's just not in the way you think when it come to our "fans".

[Santiago]

When the old stadium was torn down, the old ways died with it. I remember we used to give the left fielders HELL. Now, we might also pass them a beer after the game but during the game, there were some colorful adjectives thrown their way.

Now you can't be mean because their parents might be out there. Or you can't say things cause kids are out there. Like that stuff happened before and no one cared. You know I always thought it was crazy that people were so sad we were redoing the stadium, but maybe they saw what I didn't see at the time. Maybe they saw the old ways dying a slow painful death.

That Clemson Super Regional was one of the best. The students did their research on the right fielder, and had intel on his GF, and a large blow up photo of him at a party dressed as a woman.
When we won that one, dang we even had someone riding a tall tricylce onto the field. We had fun.

[Goldendawg]

No, he's not. There is zero correlation between football and baseball. Wanting the outfield people to have to pay more money to the university is quite a take.

And complaining about showing hospitality to visiting fans and teams is a stupid take. We used to feed regional teams in the 80s so nothing has changed there.

Have 8 FB season tickets in Section 4 which are not cheap and it took about 57 consecutive years of giving to the Bulldog Club and buying these tickets to get there, (was actually noved a few times in successful years during Jackie because lifetime giving meant nothing and a new donor that year could bump you). Surrounded by similar fans in our situation. When someone sells their tickets to the opponents fans, the State fans in the section are not happy and we sure don't feed them or greet them warmly. Guess football is different than baseball.

[Tbonewannabe]

That Clemson Super Regional was one of the best. The students did their research on the right fielder, and had intel on his GF, and a large blow up photo of him at a party dressed as a woman.
When we won that one, dang we even had someone riding a tall tricylce onto the field. We had fun.

Wasn't there something about a player and a banana? The entire program has went soft.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That Clemson Super Regional was one of the best. The students did their research on the right fielder, and had intel on his GF, and a large blow up photo of him at a party dressed as a woman.
When we won that one, dang we even had someone riding a tall tricylce onto the field. We had fun.

The good ole days right there. That was fun to be there. Even though we lost, the Arizona Super was an incredible atmosphere. We were piled on to our trailer and there wasn't room for one more person. And we loved it. Gave the LF hell for two games. And I don't seem to recall many AZ fans wandering around the outfield with plates of food. Every time I've been the last three years, I'll see as many opposing team fans walking around with plates of food and beer as I saw in 5 years in the old stadium. Every time I looked up this weekend there was a TX fan with a plate of food and a beer.

[Cooterpoot]

Only at State can a damn bus driver and those LFL assholes turned into stars. We focus more on them than damn NIL deals. They love that attention, but they're attention whores. Country Pleasin' sausage isn't good either but they pump out those guys in their promos on social media. That whole damn area should be about the students but you've got shit bags trying to act like they own it all. Make those SOBs pay huge ass money if they're so damn big and important. If they think they're big shots, pay like big shots.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Only at State can a damn bus driver and those LFL assholes turned into stars. We focus more on them than damn NIL deals. They love that attention, but they're attention whores.

They're also really weird. Not Everett but some of the others. Like they know a little too much about the personal lives of guys on the team. Like hang out with them and their girlfriends, get drunk with them at the bars, take them out to dinner......it's strange.

[Coursesuper]

They're also really weird. Not Everett but some of the others. Like they know a little too much about the personal lives of guys on the team. Like hang out with them and their girlfriends, get drunk with them at the bars, take them out to dinner......it's strange.

These damn "Baseball Boosters" are a huge part of the problem. They are way too involved in way to much of it, and you're right its just creepy.

[HoopsDawg]

Only at State can a damn bus driver and those LFL assholes turned into stars. We focus more on them than damn NIL deals. They love that attention, but they're attention whores. Country Pleasin' sausage isn't good either but they pump out those guys in their promos on social media. That whole damn area should be about the students but you've got shit bags trying to act like they own it all. Make those SOBs pay huge ass money if they're so damn big and important. If they think they're big shots, pay like big shots.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, are you saying the whole outfield terrace should be for the students?

You guys are bitching about the best tradition we have at MSU. It's kind of unreal.

[Pancho]

sounds like an exclusive social club now

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, are you saying the whole outfield terrace should be for the students?

You guys are bitching about the best tradition we have at MSU. It's kind of unreal.

No. Would just like it to be a little bit more friendly to MSU folks than the opposing team. Our team already makes them feel right at home, I guess we'd just prefer not to expand it to the fanbase too.

[SpaceBully]

Coach that Big Mouth Cohen couldn't get 3-0 over mid-pack Big 10 coach from Indiana(who won our NC with 4 other coaches' players including some Alpha dogs who several other coaches could have won with this bunch). Serious question, if we ever do let Lemonis go, will he ever coach in the SEC or another conference that plays big time college baseball or does he just sit on the multi-millions if he has made good investments? If we have a horrible baseball season(again), and baseball revenue falls, will the university be able to fund our football program this fall?*** We still have a beautiful $60 million dollar baseball stadium with a 4 star restaurant in left field to feed opposing fans and their players.***

Cant use our stadium as an excuse any more after this year. TAMU is going to drop 80 million to redo Bluebell Park (which is already a 4-Star stadium) starting this year. They will become the premier stadium in the SEC and the nation after it's finished,

[Todd4State]

They're also really weird. Not Everett but some of the others. Like they know a little too much about the personal lives of guys on the team. Like hang out with them and their girlfriends, get drunk with them at the bars, take them out to dinner......it's strange.

I don't get that part of it either.

That kind of thing didn't even happen to Albert Pujols in St Louis.

I think it's gotta be the small town thing. "We ain't used to someone famous being around here."

Everett is just a loudmouth asshole. Unless you are a MSU athlete. Then he worships you.

[Todd4State]

No. Would just like it to be a little bit more friendly to MSU folks than the opposing team. Our team already makes them feel right at home, I guess we'd just prefer not to expand it to the fanbase too.

And I don't know if it's so much that they are mean to MSU fans as much as they absolutely go out of their way to be nice to visiting fans.

I might do a social experiment sometime where I show up to a game wearing the other teams stuff and then go to the lounge wearing MSU stuff and see what happens.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I don't know if it's so much that they are mean to MSU fans as much as they absolutely go out of their way to be nice to visiting fans.

I might do a social experiment sometime where I show up to a game wearing the other teams stuff and then go to the lounge wearing MSU stuff and see what happens.

Todd I've done it. No lie. Did it on Sunday night of the 2021 Regional. Went and got a Campbell shirt from the merch stand for like $15 and was treated like I had a winning lottery ticket. I had the same notion that you do and it's 100% true. If you walk around as a State fan no one will say anything to you unless you're too close to their rig, but if you're an opposing fan you can't go 10 ft without being offered food, beer, probably their wife if you asked, etc. It's insane.

And BTW, this isn't sour grapes. I have a spot in the outfield. So this isn't a have or have nots thing like the guy that I was arguing with yesterday said it was. And everyone would know him because he thinks he's a big deal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't get that part of it either.

That kind of thing didn't even happen to Albert Pujols in St Louis.

I think it's gotta be the small town thing. "We ain't used to someone famous being around here."

Everett is just a loudmouth asshole. Unless you are a MSU athlete. Then he worships you.

It never used to be like this. I mean there were FAMILIES that lived in Starkville that would "adopt" players. But all that ever meant was that they might bring them groceries here and there during the season and might invite them over for dinner once or twice a month. It wasn't to the extent that it is now. Like now it's a bunch of 50+ guys that are just really really weird. I think the national championship made it worse because they started treating these players like gods and so now the players expect that.

[Cowbell]

And the really bad thing about the LFL stuff is that people are calling them out for it and they just double down on it. Like just admit that we don't need to be feeding the opposing team a 4 course meal after they kick our ass and that it's a bad look. Maybe admit that they don't need to trip over themselves and push Mississippi State fans out of the way so they can be the first person to give a Texas fan a 12 oz filet and a case of Michelob.

I can't really pinpoint when the going out of our way so we could get noticed on Twitter crap started but I think it was around the 2019 postseason when the CMU baseball team came out to the outfield and then the Supers that year when David Esquer's wife wrote that article talking about how nice our fans were. It seems like ever since then we've had fans that try to fall all over themselves to see who can get noticed on Twitter for being the nicest person. I won't call them out by name, but you can get on Twitter and easily figure out who I'm talking about. And it's not just Everett and Silva. There's another big one that I got into an argument with yesterday about it. I told him it looked silly as shit that we were feeding the other team and their fans after they beat us. You can't make them see it though at this point. They're too far down the rabbit hole of trying to see who's going to mention them in a tweet.

This is a terrible take. It is the best form of promotion that our school has now. Period. You are always running down Starkville and what a craphole it is and now you want us to run off the thing that outsiders like the most about our sports and university. Do you not think it affects players? Do you not think that kids and parents of players look at this as an opportunity? All these small schools with portal quality players that come here - a good staff would be using it as a way to make sure those kids want to come play here the following season. You and I both live in Texas - do you know how well they think of us now? They actually want to go to Starkville now. They want to spend money there. And that only helps with recruiting here. Baseball circles are small and people talk. Heck this morning - the main podcaster for Texas baseball was praising everything about Starkville - said he would say the same if we swept them. He's promoting our school. Texas baseball kids know about state because of that atmosphere. That's why we get so many recruits from here. Just a terrible take all the way around.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a terrible take. It is the best form of promotion that our school has now. Period. You are always running down Starkville and what a craphole it is and now you want us to run off the thing that outsiders like the most about our sports and university. Do you not think it affects players? Do you not think that kids and parents of players look at this as an opportunity? All these small schools with portal quality players that come here - a good staff would be using it as a way to make sure those kids want to come play here the following season. You and I both live in Texas - do you know how well they think of us now? They actually want to go to Starkville now. They want to spend money there. And that only helps with recruiting here. Texas baseball kids know about state because of that atmosphere. That's why we get so many recruits from here. Just a terrible take all the way around.

They think that we're poor ole Mississippi State. They took our food and whipped our ass. And they think they're going to do it in every sport. They don't give a flying 17 about us. And no I actually don't run down Starkville. I love it. That's why I have a 17 condo there. I think I'm pretty gd committed. Don't really know about you but there's a few on this board that understand how committed I am to this university. I want it to be the best in everything. I also know that handing out sausages and Miller Lite's to opposing fans doesn't matter. Winning is all that matters. I could less give a 17 whether they spend their money here or in Austin. If that means we scare off some opposing fans from their 3rd plate of smoked sausage then so damn be it. Our programs needs some assholes back in it like Tanner Allen, Jake Mangum, Ethan Small, Konnor Pilkington, Brent Rooker, Nate Lowe, Hunter Renfroe, Adam Frazier, etc. We're soft and it's now extended to the fanbase. Also....how the hell is the best form of promotion of our school promoting they came in swept us and ate like kings while they were doing it?

[Coursesuper]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, are you saying the whole outfield terrace should be for the students?

You guys are bitching about the best tradition we have at MSU. It's kind of unreal.

Our tradition is no more it's a bastardized version of what it once was. It is now sterile version of a tradition that was once uniquely ours and is now attainable by anyone.

[Tbonewannabe]

I don't get that part of it either.

That kind of thing didn't even happen to Albert Pujols in St Louis.

I think it's gotta be the small town thing. "We ain't used to someone famous being around here."

Everett is just a loudmouth asshole. Unless you are a MSU athlete. Then he worships you.

Oddly enough, in 2018 at Vandy, I met Everett and said see you in Omaha. He was like yeah whatever. Dude didn't think we were beating Vandy.

[Tbonewannabe]

And I don't know if it's so much that they are mean to MSU fans as much as they absolutely go out of their way to be nice to visiting fans.

I might do a social experiment sometime where I show up to a game wearing the other teams stuff and then go to the lounge wearing MSU stuff and see what happens.

Walked around out there for 20 years and never got offered food. Probably wearing the wrong color of Maroon.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our tradition is no more it's a bastardized version of what it once was. It is now sterile version of a tradition that was once uniquely ours and is now attainable by anyone.

The old Lounge was incredible. Absolutely incredible. It truly was an organism all it's own. Now......it's just The Grove.

[bulldogcountry1]

And I don't know if it's so much that they are mean to MSU fans as much as they absolutely go out of their way to be nice to visiting fans.

I might do a social experiment sometime where I show up to a game wearing the other teams stuff and then go to the lounge wearing MSU stuff and see what happens.


Good idea. My wife and I walk through the lounge every weekend, and not a single person has ever spoken to us since the stadium was built.

In reality, i think there are only a handful who are obsessed with catering to the opponent's fans. The vast majority just seem annoyed that ANY other fans are near their space.

[EdwardDrayton]

Cant use our stadium as an excuse any more after this year. TAMU is going to drop 80 million to redo Bluebell Park (which is already a 4-Star stadium) starting this year. They will become the premier stadium in the SEC and the nation after it's finished,

Yeah but they're not exactly a shining example of getting return on investment.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Walked around out there for 20 years and never got offered food. Probably wearing the wrong color of Maroon.

No they want to show you that you're a have not and they're a have. At least some of them do. Some of them are genuinely good folks. There's a lot of nice people out in the Lounge. The problem is that a select few, and it's mostly those rigs on the first level in right center, think they run the damn lounge and you have to bow to them and tell them how cool they are because they grilled some sausage or one time they talked to Will Clark.

[Coursesuper]

Yeah but they're not exactly a shining example of getting return on investment.

They don't have too. They have two boosters that can buy us over three times. They don't care.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good idea. My wife and I walk through the lounge every weekend, and not a single person has ever spoken to us since the stadium was built.

In reality, i think there are only a handful who are obsessed with catering to the opponent's fans. The vast majority just seem annoyed that ANY other fans are near their space.

Correct. Most look at you like you have I Am Satan tattooed on your forehead if you get within 10 ft of their box. Which honestly, I prefer better than let's open our box up to anyone with opposing colors on. They just hate everyone.

[EdwardDrayton]

A loud large crowd can affect games at times but let's face it, games are won on the field, not in the stands.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They don't have too. They have two boosters that can buy us over three times. They don't care.

They have one that's a member of the Saudi Royal family. He could buy our entire state 3 times over.

[confucius say]

Yeah, we aren't good in baseball anymore, and it has nothing to do with our fans.
Correct. And I'm not an outfield person.
But our fans treated others the same way in 2021 as they did in 2022, and we won a NC and then were last.

There is a toughness component missing from our team, but that has nothing to do with our outfield fans.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Correct. And I'm not an outfield person.
But our fans treated others the same way in 2021 as they did in 2022, and we won a NC and then were last.

There is a toughness component missing from our team, but that has nothing to do with our outfield fans.

We don't have assholes anymore. We don't have guys that walk around thinking they're better than everyone. They don't step on the field thinking, and letting the other team know, that they're better than them. Hujsak was that type of player last year. Jurrangelo and Stephen were those types of players too. We have ZERO of those types of players this year.

[EdwardDrayton]

They don't have too. They have two boosters that can buy us over three times. They don't care.

Oh I'd wager folks are vocal about how they should be seeing better performance in their programs for the money they're spending.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh I'd wager folks are vocal about how they should be seeing better performance in their programs for the money they're spending.

They're folks are all saying they were held hostage by a few players and they gave in to them instead of going out and hiring a sitting P4 HC, which they could've done. Especially coming off a runner up performance in Omaha. I don't think Early will be there past this season. Seems like they are ready to move on from him.

[EdwardDrayton]

They're folks are all saying they were held hostage by a few players and they gave in to them instead of going out and hiring a sitting P4 HC, which they could've done. Especially coming off a runner up performance in Omaha. I don't think Early will be there past this season. Seems like they are ready to move on from him.

Oh I'm sure it stings them hard. They've spent a 17 ton of money on everything and it's not paying off. Yet.

[Coursesuper]

Oh I'd wager folks are vocal about how they should be seeing better performance in their programs for the money they're spending.

Don't move the goalpost on me. They will cut bait and can afford to whenever they deem it time, but when it come to facilities they are a bottomless pit of cash. If you had any idea what they spent on that huge area out side the football stadium it would blow your mind. And that doesn't include the upkeep which is just nuts.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Don't move the goalpost on me. They will cut bait and can afford to whenever they deem it time, but when it come to facilities they are a bottomless pit of cash. If you had any idea what they spent on that huge area out side the football stadium it would blow your mind. And that doesn't include the upkeep which is just nuts.

These are the same people that fully funded the Kyle Field renovation in 2 months after they beat Bama. That renovation cost 485 million. Just let that sink in. Our baseball stadium cost 60 million and we won't fully pay it off for like 7 years because we had to borrow money to do it.

[Todd4State]

Todd I've done it. No lie. Did it on Sunday night of the 2021 Regional. Went and got a Campbell shirt from the merch stand for like $15 and was treated like I had a winning lottery ticket. I had the same notion that you do and it's 100% true. If you walk around as a State fan no one will say anything to you unless you're too close to their rig, but if you're an opposing fan you can't go 10 ft without being offered food, beer, probably their wife if you asked, etc. It's insane.

And BTW, this isn't sour grapes. I have a spot in the outfield. So this isn't a have or have nots thing like the guy that I was arguing with yesterday said it was. And everyone would know him because he thinks he's a big deal.

LOL. I think that would have been a funny video to put on social media.

[StarkVegasSteve]

LOL. I think that would have been a funny video to put on social media.

The responses would be, "You took food and beer meant for visitors", "Go to your own spot. We've got real [insert opposing team] fans to feed", etc.

[Todd4State]

It never used to be like this. I mean there were FAMILIES that lived in Starkville that would "adopt" players. But all that ever meant was that they might bring them groceries here and there during the season and might invite them over for dinner once or twice a month. It wasn't to the extent that it is now. Like now it's a bunch of 50+ guys that are just really really weird. I think the national championship made it worse because they started treating these players like gods and so now the players expect that.

First of all let me say that the foster family that Polk put into place was and is a great thing. Especially for players from out of state.

But I do suspect that the roots of the behavior of the weird fans probably started with that program. Because whether you have a rig or not in the LFL knowing players is a status thing in Starkville. Having a rig AND knowing players? Mega Status in Starkville. We have plenty of fans like Maroon Mary that do the same things with players as far as being involved or over involved with MSU athletes.

The overall success of the baseball program only caused the roots to grow.

[Todd4State]

Oddly enough, in 2018 at Vandy, I met Everett and said see you in Omaha. He was like yeah whatever. Dude didn't think we were beating Vandy.

Which shows you how much he knows about baseball.

He'll tell you he knows more than you though.

[Todd4State]

The responses would be, "You took food and beer meant for visitors", "Go to your own spot. We've got real [insert opposing team] fans to feed", etc.

GET OFF MY RIG OR I'M CALLING SECURITY!!!!!

Turns to Campbell fan: Sure I can cook you a whole pig.

[StarkVegasSteve]

First of all let me say that the foster family that Polk put into place was and is a great thing. Especially for players from out of state.

But I do suspect that the roots of the behavior of the weird fans probably started with that program. Because whether you have a rig or not in the LFL knowing players is a status thing in Starkville. Having a rig AND knowing players? Mega Status in Starkville. We have plenty of fans like Maroon Mary that do the same things with players as far as being involved or over involved with MSU athletes.

The overall success of the baseball program only caused the roots to grow.

And you're probably right. I just don't understand how knowing players is a status thing. Like they're regular college kids who happen to play baseball. They still party, they still go to bars, they still do all the things that normal college kids do. They just are on the field playing while they're friends are drinking beer in the outfield.

It's just weird to me tbh. I was in school from 2012-2016 and we knew the players and hung out with them but it wasn't a big deal. They were students like the rest of us and they acted like that. We didn't treat them any differently. It just seems like since about 2018 our players have been put on this pedestal like they're these gods.

[Mjoelner34]

You know, I've been going to MSU football games ever since I moved here in '86 and not one has a stanger asked me to eat or drink at their tailgate. Damn selfish tailgates! We should outlaw tailgating at football!

[StarkVegasSteve]

You know, I've been going to MSU football games ever since I moved here in '86 and not one has a stanger asked me to eat or drink at their tailgate. Damn selfish tailgates! We should outlaw tailgating at football!

Wear the colors of the opposing team, it'll be a better experience for you.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll sum all my thoughts up with this:

I don't care who these people give food to. It's their rig and their spot. I myself would be more likely to start throwing the food at the other team instead of feeding them, so I just don't give them any food. And I'm not saying give food to any Mississippi State fan that comes out there and tell the opposing fans to stick their forks where the sun don't shine. You can still feed the opposing team WHEN WE WIN. What I'm saying is that it's a bad look to get our ass handed to us and then crow on Twitter about how nice and welcoming we were to the other team WHO SWEPT US. It's a lot like a mentality we USED TO make fun of around here. I think it's goes something We Never Lose a Party......apparently that's what we celebrate now. This is why I call it The Grove now. Because it's just that. We care more about the stuff happening off the field than the stuff happening on the field. The Lounge has always been a party but the party paused when the ball is in play. Now the game itself seems like a hindrance to the party.

[Todd4State]

And you're probably right. I just don't understand how knowing players is a status thing. Like they're regular college kids who happen to play baseball. They still party, they still go to bars, they still do all the things that normal college kids do. They just are on the field playing while they're friends are drinking beer in the outfield.

It's just weird to me tbh. I was in school from 2012-2016 and we knew the players and hung out with them but it wasn't a big deal. They were students like the rest of us and they acted like that. We didn't treat them any differently. It just seems like since about 2018 our players have been put on this pedestal like they're these gods.

I think they have been on a pedastal for awhile before you were a student. On the old Genespage there were always a select few defending players to the death.

It's just now with social media and stuff like that our weird fans can take things to the next level like posting pictures with players and stuff like that.

You are right- they're just college kids who can play baseball.

[Cowbell]

They think that we're poor ole Mississippi State. They took our food and whipped our ass. And they think they're going to do it in every sport. They don't give a flying 17 about us. And no I actually don't run down Starkville. I love it. That's why I have a 17 condo there. I think I'm pretty gd committed. Don't really know about you but there's a few on this board that understand how committed I am to this university. I want it to be the best in everything. I also know that handing out sausages and Miller Lite's to opposing fans doesn't matter. Winning is all that matters. I could less give a 17 whether they spend their money here or in Austin. If that means we scare off some opposing fans from their 3rd plate of smoked sausage then so damn be it. Our programs needs some assholes back in it like Tanner Allen, Jake Mangum, Ethan Small, Konnor Pilkington, Brent Rooker, Nate Lowe, Hunter Renfroe, Adam Frazier, etc. We're soft and it's now extended to the fanbase. Also....how the hell is the best form of promotion of our school promoting they came in swept us and ate like kings while they were doing it?

We won a natty doing all the things that we do in the outfield now. The only difference now is our coaches aren't getting the job done. I agree on the dirt bags. This team with tanner Allen on it takes two out of three this weekend

[StarkVegasSteve]

We won a natty doing all the things that we do in the outfield now. The only difference now is our coaches aren't getting the job done. I agree on the dirt bags. This team with tanner Allen on it takes two out of three this weekend

And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

[Santiago]

I like that our fans feed players, and end of the day these are just guys on the road alot playing baseball.
Also, I don't like to lose and don't like fans caring more about the others liking them.

Both are true for me. It is just way more fun when we win the series and then give them food and wish them well the rest of the year.

[Cowbell]

And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

You got to remember though that we fed two other teams that we swept this year. And the outfielders absolutely got heckled this weekend. (Reminds me of that time we had the Florida RF girlfriend picture posted above the right field wall lol). I just know that all the baseball parents I bump into out here in Texas think the world of our program because of the common theme they hear about it. And I love the fact that at the end of the day, our hospitality beats anybody's and honestly it's a breath of fresh air in this NIL/portal/fast paced society. Makes me miss home every time I'm there compared to here.

[Cowbell]

We fed Notre dame that series where we spanked their tales. They will never forget that too. Jaret even admitted the atmosphere was the difference. Everybody agrees that we make college Baseball better.

[Cooterpoot]

We've got a better team than we've shown this season. Lemonis played a soft schedule to get wins and is once again losing to good teams. He sat on his fat ass rubs a lot of recruits the wrong way. He's the low bar for State baseball. My left nut could take this team to a regional and that's about all Lemonis can do.

[EdwardDrayton]

Don't move the goalpost on me. They will cut bait and can afford to whenever they deem it time, but when it come to facilities they are a bottomless pit of cash. If you had any idea what they spent on that huge area out side the football stadium it would blow your mind. And that doesn't include the upkeep which is just nuts.

The goalpost didn't move. You just missed the point.

[Leroy Jenkins]

From the archives........ https://www.elitedawgs.com/archive/index.php/t-67884.html

[Pancho]

wonder how Lemo will manage the team differently from this past weekend through the next 2 SEC weekends? Who will tell him how?

[EdwardDrayton]

We've got a better team than we've shown this season. Lemonis played a soft schedule to get wins and is once again losing to good teams. He sat on his fat ass rubs a lot of recruits the wrong way. He's the low bar for State baseball. My left nut could take this team to a regional and that's about all Lemonis can do.

Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

[Cooterpoot]

Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

Our talent isn't elite but it's good, coaching is not good

[maroonmania]

Our talent isn't elite but it's good, coaching is not good

Coaching is definitely not good with all the stupid things we do. Talent is pretty good. I think offensively we have a lot of potential though some of our best hitters are not good defenders which creates a problem. But the biggest issue is we are still short one or two SEC level starting pitchers. But we were all saying this during portal time and we never reeled one in and nobody understood why? Pruitt was the best starting portal pitcher we got and he is on IR and was never a sure thing. Pico is pretty dependable it seems, but behind that it's pot luck on what kind of start we will get on Sat and Sun. Need some of the FR guys to grow up fast at this point.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Think we're still trying to come set how much of this is coaching and how much is a player talent issue.

What does it matter? Lemo has been here a LONG time and he's responsible for both the talent and the coaching. If the wins ain't coming, get him out

[HoopsDawg]

What does it matter? Lemo has been here a LONG time and he's responsible for both the talent and the coaching. If the wins ain't coming, get him out

Yeah, either way, it's on Lemonis. He's fortunate that there's a portal bc we would be in rough shape with just his high school evaluations.

[HoopsDawg]

And you are right in that it does not affect the game whether we win or lose. But man it just sucks to watch the other team sweep you and then the fans feed them a 3 course meal. I do not mind doing it if that is what you always do, but just send it with a manager or something after the game.

I don't want to cyberbully you. But I would keep this take to yourself.

I also can't believe that you have a spot in the outfield yet chose to dress as an opposing fan as some kind of experiment. That's insane.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

There are only two careers you can totally be a failure at and not be fired, apparently. A meteorologist and Mississippi State head baseball coach.

If 99% of us failed at our jobs as bad at Lemonis, we would have been fired years ago.

Clearly you?ve never dealt with government employees.

[Todd4State]

I like that our fans feed players, and end of the day these are just guys on the road alot playing baseball.
Also, I don't like to lose and don't like fans caring more about the others liking them.

Both are true for me. It is just way more fun when we win the series and then give them food and wish them well the rest of the year.

I think there is a misconception out there that the LFL people ONLY care about feeding the players and social media likes.

I definitely think that they would prefer MSU win.

They're going to feed the players anyway. No one is really going to stop that.

That said some of them do get weird with it as we've said. Both can be true.

If I was a baseball player I would feel pretty weird about a 50 year old dude wanting to hang out with me or wanting to invite me over for dinner if I wasn't related to them. That's probably really hard for the baseball player to deal with as well to be honest with you because you can't stop those people from going to the game and that is a hard situation for a 21 year old to deal with IMO.

There is a reason why MSU has a player area in the back of the clubhouse where they can get away from everything basically if they want to. The players need that space because it has to get stressful to take a picture with every Starkville Billy that wants one.

[Pancho]

How strong is the current buyout discussion? I get the feeling it might resolve itself before the season ends.

[Todd4State]

How strong is the current buyout discussion? I get the feeling it might resolve itself before the season ends.

I don't think buyout will be an issue.

My gut feeling is that we finish the second half of the SEC season strong and he comes back for another year. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Coach34]

I don't think buyout will be an issue.

My gut feeling is that we finish the second half of the SEC season strong and he comes back for another year. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

[Todd4State]

It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

It really is that simple. Basically, it's perform or walk.

I don't know about getting fired if we make a regional as a 2 or 3. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with you on that. I just could see it going either way.

These fans acting like he is definitely fired- they may be right at the end of the year but as of now I don't think he is really in that much trouble at this point to be honest.

[sandjunky]

The lighter wood is only smoldering
Get rolled this weekend and next @ LSU that smoldering begins to flame

[basedog]

The lighter wood is only smoldering
Get rolled this weekend and next @ LSU that smoldering begins to flame

Funny how b4 the season some were pumping sunshine and others saying let's wait and see. Now it's just the opposite.

I'm hoping we win the series this weekend.

[Tbonewannabe]

At the end of the day, how you finish is the important part. Don't make a Regional or as a 2 or 3 seed then flame out is not our standard. He basically made the bare minimum last year after failing for two years in a row.

We desperately need to see some positive momentum and doing the minimum again isn't it.

[Quaoarsking]

It will play out.

If we play in a Regional Final or make a Super- he is 100% back
If we keep underperforming and end up a 2 or 3 seed that ends up getting rolled early- the money guys I think may make a move

So now you've subtlety changed it to "make a Regional final" (as if that's something anyone cares about) and he's back too? Give me a break.

If we only win 12 or 13 games in the SEC this year, that's a huge underachievement and he should be fired. I can see how this would be tricky if he then won a Regional (though I'd still support it without a deep Omaha run and some reason for optimism), but the idea that he could save his job by winning one game on Sunday to come in 2nd rather than 3rd in the Regional is ludicrous.

[StateDawg44]

Funny how b4 the season some were pumping sunshine and others saying let's wait and see. Now it's just the opposite.

I'm hoping we win the series this weekend.

I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

[CaptainObvious]

I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

I'd pump the breaks on who is passing us. Arkansas seems to be lacking something but still managed 2 of 3 in Oxford. Vandy started a downhill slide as soon as the financial field got leveled. UGA and LSU have something it is hard to compete with Free tuition AND NIL money. And Georgia won a NC long before we did. Kentucky? Nah. Bama will find the sledding a bit tougher shortly. It is obvious there are huge issues at A&M similar to ours in 2022, not to mention they probably lost the very best baseball coach in the land to their hated rival and he proved in 1 freaking season why he is the best! We have an overpaid lower half of the conference Head Coach who we cannot convince certain people that his NC was built at least 3/4 of the way by previous coaches. The effect Tanner and Rowdey had as leaders of that team is apparently immensely underrated by some of our fans! Lemonis should be coaching at a "Low Expectations" program, not at this pressure cooker! Lemonis at State is like Curley Hellman at LSU football!

[TrapGame]

Lemonis lost Matt Wyatt after the sweep.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lemonis lost Matt Wyatt after the sweep.

I don't know how he'll ever recover from that***


Matt still needs to apologize for the unmitigated disaster that was HailState+.

[Pancho]

I remember folks saying lemo was better than johnson at UGA, mingione at UK......like they say down at the fire hall, "the proof is is in the pudding". we look sun belt ready to me

[KOdawg1]

Yeah, he shouldn't be safe if he makes a regional final.

We keep track of Super Regional and CWS appearances on the outfield wall. Not "regional finals". If we go to a regional again as a 2 or 3 and get smacked by the 1 seed twice, that's not really an accomplishment that warrants saving your job vs not saving it.

[Pancho]

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

[KOdawg1]

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

That LoungeDawg moron on twitter maybe, but he doesn't even watch the games.

[Coach34]

who honestly thinks he leads the team to finish higher than 13th in the league?

If we end up 13th or only win 12 SEC games then we will be speculating on our new hire in June

[maroonmania]

I hope we win to but I honestly hate the feeling that this is what we are stuck with until we move on. Hoping we win a series.

At one point we could confidently go toe-to-toe with anyone in this conference. Now we hope we don't just fall on our face and can squeak one out.

Meanwhile, Kentucky, UGA, OM, and even seems like Bama (now that they have a coach that isn't gambling) are passing us. Think about that.

IMO, we will never see Omaha again under Lemonis. Would love to be wrong but that's the way I see it. His teams don't have an edge and don't play sound, fundamental baseball at least not since the group he inherited left. And to be honest, it's rare these days that a college baseball coach is highly successful without being a bit of an SOB. Cohen was that way, Vitello, Sullivan, Van Horn, etc. all seem to be that way. I just don't think Lemonis demands enough out of his players or coaches and it's obvious with our lack of execution on the field.

[StateDawg44]

I'd pump the breaks on who is passing us. Arkansas seems to be lacking something but still managed 2 of 3 in Oxford. Vandy started a downhill slide as soon as the financial field got leveled. UGA and LSU have something it is hard to compete with Free tuition AND NIL money. And Georgia won a NC long before we did. Kentucky? Nah. Bama will find the sledding a bit tougher shortly. It is obvious there are huge issues at A&M similar to ours in 2022, not to mention they probably lost the very best baseball coach in the land to their hated rival and he proved in 1 freaking season why he is the best! We have an overpaid lower half of the conference Head Coach who we cannot convince certain people that his NC was built at least 3/4 of the way by previous coaches. The effect Tanner and Rowdey had as leaders of that team is apparently immensely underrated by some of our fans! Lemonis should be coaching at a "Low Expectations" program, not at this pressure cooker! Lemonis at State is like Curley Hellman at LSU football!

I agree with everything you said. Especially about riding coat tails.

And no as a program overall none of those others have passed us but if things stay the way they are trending we will be rapidly letting them build at the worst possible time now that the rest of the SEC actually decided to give a damn about baseball.

[Homedawg]

IMO, we will never see Omaha again under Lemonis. Would love to be wrong but that's the way I see it. His teams don't have an edge and don't play sound, fundamental baseball at least not since the group he inherited left. And to be honest, it's rare these days that a college baseball coach is highly successful without being a bit of an SOB. Cohen was that way, Vitello, Sullivan, Van Horn, etc. all seem to be that way. I just don't think Lemonis demands enough out of his players or coaches and it's obvious with our lack of execution on the field.

We were third in the sec in fielding, 4 th in eta and 5th in batting avg. LAST year ...... I'd say fielding percentage surely falls in the category of fundamental doesn't it??? I get it people aren't happy w the start. Not happy about 22&23. But memories are either bad or stuff just get blow of of reality.

[Pinto]

We were third in the sec in fielding, 4 th in eta and 5th in batting avg. LAST year ...... I'd say fielding percentage surely falls in the category of fundamental doesn't it??? I get it people aren't happy w the start. Not happy about 22&23. But memories are either bad or stuff just get blow of of reality.

Fielding can be manipulated and we have always had a very generous home scorer. You will rarely see state tagged with an error at home. If we were fundamentally sound, Kellen Clark wouldn?t have flipped off the lounge for getting on his ass. He missed a fly ball that was miraculously scored a hit.
Base running is also a fundamental and you saw how that went this weekend in year 7 of Lemonis.
Sloppy ball is a lot more than stats.

[Coach34]

We were third in the sec in fielding, 4 th in eta and 5th in batting avg. LAST year ...... I'd say fielding percentage surely falls in the category of fundamental doesn't it??? I get it people aren't happy w the start. Not happy about 22&23. But memories are either bad or stuff just get blow of of reality.

If you remember at this time last year it was "we wont ever make it back to a Regional under Lemon" and we finished 5th in the SEC.

This year its "we wont ever make it back to Omaha under Lemon" altho I did like the "no way this team finishes higher than 13th" one too

[CaptainObvious]

Lemonis gets $1.28 mil to produce what he is producing. Meanwhile Cliff Godwin gets $600,000 at East Carolina and Elliott Avent gets $435,000 at NC State. I would take either of this guys over Lemonis.

[Cooterpoot]

We were third in the sec in fielding, 4 th in eta and 5th in batting avg. LAST year ...... I'd say fielding percentage surely falls in the category of fundamental doesn't it??? I get it people aren't happy w the start. Not happy about 22&23. But memories are either bad or stuff just get blow of of reality.

We had one of the worst scorers I've ever seen. Fielding has become a BS stat at MSU, hitting a little.. Then you see the terrible base running. This entire program has become so soft it should be called a daddy ball team. Let's give the visitors a hit and feed them!

[maroonmania]

If you remember at this time last year it was "we wont ever make it back to a Regional under Lemon" and we finished 5th in the SEC.

This year its "we wont ever make it back to Omaha under Lemon" altho I did like the "no way this team finishes higher than 13th" one too

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but being able to get to Omaha seems further and further away. But yea, if we would quit doing stupid things in the field and on the bases it would definitely help things a lot.

[Homedawg]

We had one of the worst scorers I've ever seen. Fielding has become a BS stat at MSU, hitting a little.. Then you see the terrible base running. This entire program has become so soft it should be called a daddy ball team. Let's give the visitors a hit and feed them!

Oh I see.... the whole feeding the other team and the lounge thread is so fing stupid I won't even post on that one. So I'll pass now. Have a good day.