Fran McCaffery

[StarkVegasSteve]

Fran McCaffery just let go at Iowa. We're about to see what our commitment to Jans is.

[Thick]

You think so?

[msstate7]

He's from there. Doubt we hold em if they want em. Is will wade locked up anywhere?

[Thick]

I?m down!

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's from there. Doubt we hold em if they want em. Is will wade locked up anywhere?

Yea. NC State. We can also pay more than Iowa can. I thought we might keep him for another year, but this one is going to be worth watching. I'd say 65/35 he stays as of now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I?m down!

Then be prepared to lose our entire team outside of MAYBE Hubbard. We would have one player and no recruits. Because they'd all leave with Jans.

[msstate7]

Then be prepared to lose our entire team outside of MAYBE Hubbard. We would have one player and no recruits. Because they'd all leave with Jans.

Sucks, but whatever. I love Jans, but if he wants to go there's not much we can do

[msstate7]

Maybe they go after beard instead

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe they go after beard instead

Beard to Indiana is as signed, sealed, and delivered as it can be.

[BeardoMSU]

Maybe they go after beard instead

Indiana

[BeardoMSU]

Sucks, but whatever. I love Jans, but if he wants to go there's not much we can do

This. And he's been trying to leave since getting here, so it is what it is.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sucks, but whatever. I love Jans, but if he wants to go there's not much we can do

That's not a sucks but whatever situation. That's a you better have a HR hire lined up the second Jans leaves or you'll lose everyone type situation. You can't afford a Rick Ray, Rick Stansbury, or Ben Howland type hire with how good the SEC is in basketball. You need to be making overtures to Will Wade right now if you think there's even an inkling that Jans might take that Iowa job.

[msstate7]

Beard to Indiana is as signed, sealed, and delivered as it can be.

Great, we will be going head-to-head with OM

[BeardoMSU]

Great, we will be going head-to-head with OM

In basketball, that doesn't worry me at all, lol.

[msstate7]

In basketball, that doesn't worry me at all, lol.

I don't like that they have the new stadium. I think we can match em in NIL. Unfortunately, most people prefer Oxford over Starkville though

[StarkVegasSteve]

This. And he's been trying to leave since getting here, so it is what it is.

That's 50/50. He definitely didn't want to be here at first and I don't blame him. Starkville is a boring ass town. He can't really escape people. At NMSU, no one bothers him. Here he can't go to the damn grocery store without some dumbass who coaches Upward telling him how he needs to be using our post players more. That's a true story by the way from 2022.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't like that they have the new stadium. I think we can match em in NIL. Unfortunately, most people prefer Oxford over Starkville though

We can't match them in NIL when they decide they care. We have LEGIT 2 donors that handle the lionshare of basketball NIL. Oscar and Richard. The other usual suspects help out. Bart Hyche has actually really been helpful getting the middle level donors involved. But when it comes down to it, it's Oscar Miskelly and Richard Adkerson.

[msstate7]

We can't match them in NIL when they decide they care. We have LEGIT 2 donors that handle the lionshare of basketball NIL. Oscar and Richard. The other usual suspects help out. Bart Hyche has actually really been helpful getting the middle level donors involved. But when it comes down to it, it's Oscar Miskelly and Richard Adkerson.

If beard leaves, MBK is headed to lane's pocket

[StarkVegasSteve]

The good news for us in this is that it seems like Darian Devries is who they want to hire. A lot of people seem to feel he should've gotten the job when McCaffery got it but Fran had HC experience and at the time, Devries did not.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If beard leaves, MBK is headed to lane's pocket

Let's hope so. But with who they will hire if he leaves......I wouldn't count on it.

[AROB44]

It's so invigorating to read how after 3 years our basketball coach never wanted to be here and has been looking for a way out. If this is true, then everyone should understand why we are losers and always will be. Really a sad commentary on Starkville, MSU and the fan base.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's so invigorating to read how after 3 years our basketball coach never wanted to be here and has been looking for a way out. If this is true, then everyone should understand why we are losers and always will be. Really a sad commentary on Starkville, MSU and the fan base.

Starkville is not an exciting town. That should come to the shock of legitimately no one. It is harder to recruit to boring towns. Again, should come as a shock to no one. There is a reason our job is considered one of the toughest in all of P4 in any of the major sports. You are not too far from anything big but you are not too close to anything for it to help you.

[basedog]

Dang you guys are already crashing and burning with the what ifs and rumors. Starkville isn't Hell, Coaches make enough money they can take off after the season for a long-rested Vacation and shop at some Target store with their wives**

Jason Aldean says, "hold my beer". LOL

[basedog]

Starkville is not an exciting town. That should come to the shock of legitimately no one. It is harder to recruit to boring towns. Again, should come as a shock to no one. There is a reason our job is considered one of the toughest in all of P4 in any of the major sports. You are not too far from anything big but you are not too close to anything for it to help you.

Money talks and it isn't all about night life for Coaches, it's sad to me what you post about Starkville. Wonder why 24,000 students survive?

[bigbub50]

If our coaches names are coming up in searches, it means we made the right hire.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dang you guys are already crashing and burning with the what ifs and rumors. Starkville isn't Hell, Coaches make enough money they can take off after the season for a long-rested Vacation and shop at some Target store with their wives**

Jason Aldean says, "hold my beer". LOL

I mean it's a message board so just stirring some conversation. Will be interesting to watch. I think at the end of the day he stays, due to some NIL stuff with Hubbard and some guarantees he's received. Now after next year, we should count every year as a blessing because a bona fide better job will come calling before too long.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If our coaches names are coming up in searches, it means we made the right hire.

Very true. Bad coaches are never on those lists.

[EdwardDrayton]

Dang you guys are already crashing and burning with the what ifs and rumors. Starkville isn't Hell, Coaches make enough money they can take off after the season for a long-rested Vacation and shop at some Target store with their wives**

Jason Aldean says, "hold my beer". LOL

Yep. Saban tolerated Tuscaloosa and spent the offseason on his boat in Florida. They can make the location palatable for the right money. But then again we're not an Alabama level program.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Money talks and it isn't all about night life for Coaches, it's sad to me what you post about Starkville. Wonder why 24,000 students survive?

Because they're college students. They go to college bars and college hang outs. I doubt the coach making 4 mil a year wants to go hang out at Drifters during his down time. These guys also have to think about their families. What is his wife supposed to do all day? Sit and do nothing. There's no high end shopping in Starkville. There's one wine bar that's pretty nice but that's it. And it may not be all about nightlife for coaches but they do want to be able to enjoy something. I mean we really have a hell of a choice of high end restaurants. You have 44 Prime and Harveys. That's it. Restaurant Tyler is not high end and neither is Taste. Honestly neither is Harvey's but for Starkville you have to consider it.

And btw, I love Starkville. I wouldn't have a condo here if I didn't. But coaches aren't alums. They don't look at everything with maroon colored glasses on. We do. We can't be impartial.

I mean we're shitting on Iowa and they're located in Des Moines. Population 210K. They probably have just a tad more to do than Starkville.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep. Saban tolerated Tuscaloosa and spent the offseason on his boat in Florida. They can make the location palatable for the right money. But then again we're not an Alabama level program.

Birmingham is an hour away and it has everything. Tupelo is over an hour away from Starkville and has about 1/10 of the stuff Birmingham does. Saban also had his own private jet on top of Bama's. Our coaches aren't on Saban level. Saban also doesn't spend his off season on his boat in FL. He, like most SEC football coaches, vacation on Lake Burton in GA. However, Nick keeps his boat in Tuscaloosa. His house is on a damn lake.

[EdwardDrayton]

Birmingham is an hour away and it has everything. Tupelo is over an hour away from Starkville and has about 1/10 of the stuff Birmingham does. Saban also had his own private jet on top of Bama's. Our coaches aren't on Saban level. Saban also doesn't spend his off season on his boat in FL. He, like most SEC football coaches, vacation on Lake Burton in GA. However, Nick keeps his boat in Tuscaloosa. His house is on a damn lake.

Birmingham is a hellhole, Steve. No one is claiming that place as an incentive. And Saban has a place on Jupiter Island.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Birmingham is a hellhole, Steve. No one is claiming that place as an incentive. And Saban has a place on Jupiter Island.

Oh I know. Saban has multiple properties. And Birmingham is a hellhole. You're not wrong. But Mt. Brook, Hoover, Homewood, Vestavia, and Pelham are not. That's where the rich people are. That's where they shop, eat, etc. Mississippi has a couple of those areas, but they're nowhere near each other and there a good ways away from Starkville.

[msu15]

Birmingham is a hellhole, Steve. No one is claiming that place as an incentive. And Saban has a place on Jupiter Island.

Birmingham's entire footprint isn't a hell hole in the least and is very desirable. SVS beat me to it.

[BankerDog]

Oh I know. Saban has multiple properties. And Birmingham is a hellhole. You're not wrong. But Mt. Brook, Hoover, Homewood, Vestavia, and Pelham are not. That's where the rich people are. That's where they shop, eat, etc. Mississippi has a couple of those areas, but they're nowhere near each other and there a good ways away from Starkville.

1st) Saban stayed on his boat at Lake Tuscaloosa-not Florida. Or he was at Lake Lanier

2nd) Name one MSA in Mississippi that rivals Birmingham. You can?t. Sorry. And I?m from MS.

[EdwardDrayton]

1st) Saban stayed on his boat at Lake Tuscaloosa-not Florida. Or he was at Lake Lanier

2nd) Name one MSA in Mississippi that rivals Birmingham. You can?t. Sorry. And I?m from MS.

(1) And at Jupiter Island

(2) That in no way makes Birmingham attractive

[chef dixon]

Fran McCaffery just let go at Iowa. We're about to see what our commitment to Jans is.

Didn't you a couple weeks ago when I hinted at this say no way in hell?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Didn't you a couple weeks ago when I hinted at this say no way in hell?

I doubt it. Any Iowa job will always concern me. However, I know our commitment to Chris and I do not think Iowa can match it. I also know what Richard and Oscar will do to keep him here, especially Oscar.

[LC Dawg]

I mean we're shitting on Iowa and they're located in Des Moines. Population 210K. They probably have just a tad more to do than Starkville.

The University of Iowa is in Iowa City. It's definitely bigger than Starkville but it's still pretty much a college town.
About 75K.

[Coach34]

I like our chances to hold on vs Iowa. He stays unless he just wants to go back home. I think he wants a bigger job like Indiana or another blue blood

[BeardoMSU]

If he wants to leave he'll leave. Hopefully we can line up a good replacement if he does.

Since morality is out the window (lol), I'd hope we could make an attractive offer to Will Wade.

[ScooterDog]

Don?t worry folks, Salmon to the rescue!

[Bothrops]

We lose Jans and Ole Miss keeps Beard even after a blue blood offers him. That's how I will expect it to go anyway.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Don?t worry folks, Salmon to the rescue!

I doubt salmon can help us, but I think Zac SELMON may be able to help us a tad.

[R2Dawg]

That's not a sucks but whatever situation. That's a you better have a HR hire lined up the second Jans leaves or you'll lose everyone type situation. You can't afford a Rick Ray, Rick Stansbury, or Ben Howland type hire with how good the SEC is in basketball. You need to be making overtures to Will Wade right now if you think there's even an inkling that Jans might take that Iowa job.

OK I was with Rick Ray but Stans and Howland? You lost me there. Those were two good coaches. I mean Stans is maybe one of top 5 coaches we've had.

Agree, we need to be in front of this if it becomes a real threat.

I think we might keep a few more players than Hub if we don't have a suck hire.

[R2Dawg]

We lose Jans and Ole Miss keeps Beard even after a blue blood offers him. That's how I will expect it to go anyway.

Be about the streak we are on. On top of that OM goes to a Final 4 this year and then baseball to Omaha. I'm bout to puke just thinking that is possible

[R2Dawg]

It's so invigorating to read how after 3 years our basketball coach never wanted to be here and has been looking for a way out. If this is true, then everyone should understand why we are losers and always will be. Really a sad commentary on Starkville, MSU and the fan base.

We hired the wrong guy if he was looking to leave the second he got here.

[R2Dawg]

Money talks and it isn't all about night life for Coaches, it's sad to me what you post about Starkville. Wonder why 24,000 students survive?

Yeah I don't understand the Starkville hate. I know a ton of students that love it there as did I.

[basedog]

Yeah I don't understand the Starkville hate. I know a ton of students that love it there as did I.

I graduated in 1973, I never heard one person or student that hated Starkville even though we had to drive to the Crossroads to get a beer.

If Starkville is so bad how is it growing with Students? Also Coaches move around way more now days.

[Coach34]

I ****ing hated Starkville. I turned down a walk-on spot at Delta State to go to State and I regret it to this day. Starkville is terrible for a college age kid

[basedog]

I ****ing hated Starkville. I turned down a walk-on spot at Delta State to go to State and I regret it to this day. Starkville is terrible for a college age kid

So Cleveland has better night life? LOL, you talking Delta State over MSU. U can’t to be drinking my friend. Their enrollment is down also.

[Coach34]

So Cleveland has better night life? LOL, you talking Delta State over MSU. U can’t to be drinking my friend. Their enrollment is down also.

Yes- Cleveland was much more fun than Starkville. My friends told me and showed me numerous times

[basedog]

Yes- Cleveland was much more fun than Starkville. My friends told me and showed me numerous times

Cleveland population is a little over 10k. Starkville is over 25k. Too each their own.

[Coach34]

Cleveland population is a little over 10k. Starkville is over 25k. Too each their own.

I had a alot of fun at Cheers in Sville- but Delta State matched it

[Tater]

Yes- Cleveland was much more fun than Starkville. My friends told me and showed me numerous times

If Starkville wasn't fun for you, then that's a skill issue.

[Bothrops]

Be about the streak we are on. On top of that OM goes to a Final 4 this year and then baseball to Omaha. I'm bout to puke just thinking that is possible

Me too

[Cowbell]

If Starkville wasn't fun for you, then that's a skill issue.

Agreed. We had ole miss friends that came down on the weekends because they liked it more in our circle. I've got degrees from multiple D1 schools and had the most fun at state by far. And never ran out of scenery or smokeshows to chase down.

Why do so many coaches buy property here? Since it's so bad??

[R2Dawg]

I got a top notch BJ in Cleveland after winning $200 in a poker game. I had a alot of fun at Cheers in Sville- but Delta State matched it

Is this really all you got why Starkville isn't good and Cleveland better? Nothing to do with town. What else you got? For that matter what does anywhere else have that Starkville don't? Tuscaloosa - a mall, higher crime? I know plenty of Bamers that hated Tuscaloosa.

A card game, ho and alcohol sales is why one town is better than another? Glad you don't make big decisions for MSU or Starkville.

[Saltydog]

Meh, we'll see........I don't think a lot of them would leave.........Iowa ain't for everybody........

[Tater]

Agreed. We had ole miss friends that came down on the weekends because they liked it more in our circle. I've got degrees from multiple D1 schools and had the most fun at state by far. And never ran out of scenery or smokeshows to chase down.

Why do so many coaches buy property here? Since it's so bad??

Literally have not met anyone else who didn't like the Starkville experience. Things ain't what make a place fun. It's people. And the people are phenomenal. It's like home walking on campus. The rap we get is super unfair. I brought a coworker to a baseball weekend last year, he's originally from India. On the drive down he point blank asked me "are they going to hate me cause I'm brown." I laughed and said no, that's Oxford. We went out and walked the campus that Saturday morning and on the drill field was a massive cricket tournament - men's, women's and children going. Couldn't have timed it better. Set the tone for the weekend. Then everyone was super welcoming in the lounge. He had to learn that southerners take pride in someone else liking our cooking and will keep handing you food until you say "no mas". Then we went and had a crawfish boil that sunday night with crab legs and all my "country bumpkin" farmer friends were super friendly.

Buddy was shocked how fun a weekend in Starkville could be. I'm just like "it's about a 8/10 - Football is better." All he came with was a positive attitude and a willingness to meet new people and give them a chance. If you do that in Starkville - it's a magical place. If you're just looking for a blowjob, go to Library on the square, buy some random a couple drinks, offer some blow for a blow and there ya go. Someone on this board seems to fit more in with that Oxfart crowd anyways. Maybe that's his real regret.

[msstate7]

Meh, we'll see........I don't think a lot of them would leave.........Iowa ain't for everybody........

I would be more worried about just leaving... maybe not for iowa, but somewhere.

Cam Carter got any eligibility left? He and Hubbard would be fun esp if we keep Murphy

[Homedawg]

Beard to Indiana is as signed, sealed, and delivered as it can be.

I hope. Indiana sure is keeping it a secret then ..... there boards have basically removed him as a candidate. And I have no clue.

[basedog]

I hope. Indiana sure is keeping it a secret then ..... there boards have basically removed him as a candidate. And I have no clue.

Who knows but as long as OM is playing you will not get the vibe he is leaving. IF they offer no doubt he would take it, it's a blue blood Basketball school and State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hope. Indiana sure is keeping it a secret then ..... there boards have basically removed him as a candidate. And I have no clue.

Beard and his agent are smart. They kept the Ole Miss stuff on the down low until like 48 hours before he was introduced. Same thing when he went from Tech to Texas.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would be more worried about just leaving... maybe not for iowa, but somewhere.

Cam Carter got any eligibility left? He and Hubbard would be fun esp if we keep Murphy

Two ball dominant guards?..that would not work. Just a list of guys we might want to look at that would fit the mold:

Sean Newman Jr-La Tech
Moe Odum-Pepperdine
Mekhi Conner-Sam Houston St
Naithan George-Ga Tech

[Coach34]

Guess it comes down to what you like. In college I liked going to dance clubs and those types of things. You can sit, drink beer, or play pool for so long. Cheers was fun at times but having to drive all the way to Columbus for a real dance club sucked.

[msstate7]

Villanova open now.

[BrunswickDawg]

Guess it comes down to what you like. In college I liked going to dance clubs and those types of things. You can sit, drink beer, or play pool for so long. Cheers was fun at times but having to drive all the way to Columbus for a real dance club sucked.

Dance clubs? Lol. I don't even think Athens had any dance clubs in the late 80s and early 90s. Sorry you couldn't two step enough at Classix on country night. If their Mothership from the disco days still worked maybe you would have enjoyed yourself more.

The one thing Starkville sort of lacked was regularly having great live music. But at the time the university did a good job of bringing in some strong acts to so at least you got a couple of good concerts a year.

[Santiago]

Literally have not met anyone else who didn't like the Starkville experience. Things ain't what make a place fun. It's people. And the people are phenomenal. It's like home walking on campus. The rap we get is super unfair. I brought a coworker to a baseball weekend last year, he's originally from India. On the drive down he point blank asked me "are they going to hate me cause I'm brown." I laughed and said no, that's Oxford. We went out and walked the campus that Saturday morning and on the drill field was a massive cricket tournament - men's, women's and children going. Couldn't have timed it better. Set the tone for the weekend. Then everyone was super welcoming in the lounge. He had to learn that southerners take pride in someone else liking our cooking and will keep handing you food until you say "no mas". Then we went and had a crawfish boil that sunday night with crab legs and all my "country bumpkin" farmer friends were super friendly.

Buddy was shocked how fun a weekend in Starkville could be. I'm just like "it's about a 8/10 - Football is better." All he came with was a positive attitude and a willingness to meet new people and give them a chance. If you do that in Starkville - it's a magical place. If you're just looking for a blowjob, go to Library on the square, buy some random a couple drinks, offer some blow for a blow and there ya go. Someone on this board seems to fit more in with that Oxfart crowd anyways. Maybe that's his real regret.

Agree with this.
I get Coach 34's comments as well.
All that said, MSU/Starkville has a niche seemingly for people wanting something not like the masses. We should really market that, and take pride in it.

I know people right now in large cities that are pushing their high school children toward MSU, and these adults are not MSU alumni. They just love the campus, the relaxing atmosphere , and think their kids will thrive in that environment, as well as be safer there than some of the larger cities and campuses these days.

[Bdawg]

Yes- Cleveland was much more fun than Starkville. My friends told me and showed me numerous times

You did it wrong my friend!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Villanova open now.

Will be interesting to see who they target. The guy at VCU could be the name to watch there. Ryan Odom.

[Santiago]

Will be interesting to see who they target. The guy at VCU could be the name to watch there. Ryan Odom.

I wonder if the FL coach stays there very long, or if a historical blue blood goes for him in a couple years.

[msstate7]

I wonder if the FL coach stays there very long, or if a historical blue blood goes for him in a couple years.
He probably doesn't wanna leave the sec. He might be fired at a school that likes winning more than morals. Sorta joking, sorta not

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wonder if the FL coach stays there very long, or if a historical blue blood goes for him in a couple years.

There are not many blue bloods that can outbid Florida.

[Coach34]

Dance clubs? Lol. I don't even think Athens had any dance clubs in the late 80s and early 90s.
The one thing Starkville sort of lacked was regularly having great live music. But at the time the university did a good job of bringing in some strong acts to so at least you got a couple of good concerts a year.

Hard to believe they didnt. Jackson had Katmandou's. Cleveland had one that was packed night after night. Hammond, La had a couple of great dance clubs we would visit with teammates. ULL had the strip in Lafayette with bars and dance clubs we would visit with teammates. Baton Rouge had the Zoo and other clubs that were awesome.

Those places were fun. StarkVegas back then was The Landing for drinking beer, playing pool, and fighting.....Macks...Cheers with dancing a few days per week...and beer drinking to pay pool. Boring AF

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hard to believe they didnt. Jackson had Katmandou's. Cleveland had one that was packed night after night. Hammond, La had a couple of great dance clubs we would visit with teammates. ULL had the strip in Lafayette with bars and dance clubs we would visit with teammates. Baton Rouge had the Zoo and other clubs that were awesome.

Those places were fun. StarkVegas back then was The Landing for drinking beer, playing pool, and fighting.....Macks...Cheers with dancing a few days per week...and beer drinking to pay pool. Boring AF

Was before my time, but my brother was here in the late 90s and early 00s. He said it was basically Cheers or Len Lews. You had a couple of places that are still around, Rick’s and Rosey Baby, but other than that Starkville nightlife was a dud. There was no Bin, Two Brothers, new Landing, Hell Zorbas was not even around just yet. Starkville is still behind every other SEC town in terms of nightlife but it was 180 from what it used to be.

[BigDawg81]

It's so invigorating to read how after 3 years our basketball coach never wanted to be here and has been looking for a way out. If this is true, then everyone should understand why we are losers and always will be. Really a sad commentary on Starkville, MSU and the fan base. He wanted to go to Arkansas.

[R2Dawg]

Hard to believe they didnt. Jackson had Katmandou's. Cleveland had one that was packed night after night. Hammond, La had a couple of great dance clubs we would visit with teammates. ULL had the strip in Lafayette with bars and dance clubs we would visit with teammates. Baton Rouge had the Zoo and other clubs that were awesome.

Those places were fun. StarkVegas back then was The Landing for drinking beer, playing pool, and fighting.....Macks...Cheers with dancing a few days per week...and beer drinking to pay pool. Boring AF

So if Starkville had 4-5 dance clubs it would be the epicenter of college towns?

Didn't realize a dance club was the center of life in what made a good place to live.

In a free market society, if that were true there would be like a ton of them everywhere.

Sounds like people just want to dump on MSU and Starkville? Everywhere else is always better than where you are.

[Pancho]

who Iowa gonna hire?

[Tater]

So if Starkville had 4-5 dance clubs it would be the epicenter of college towns?

Didn't realize a dance club was the center of life in what made a good place to live.

In a free market society, if that were true there would be like a ton of them everywhere.

Sounds like people just want to dump on MSU and Starkville? Everywhere else is always better than where you are.

Well Hobie's, Moe's, Rick's on concert nights, Two Bros all fit the bill of dance clubs. Haven't been by Landing 2.0 but have to imagine it fits the theme. Losing cowbells to covid hurts - that 1-3 AM option is the only thing missing by Cleveland34's standards.

So maybe we should be judging Starkville for what it currently is and not for what it was.

And hell, what I know about what different people are trying to do - more is starting to pop up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

who Iowa gonna hire?

It looks like Darian Devries will have right of first refusal. A lot of people say he was runner up when the hired McCaffery and the only reason he didn't get it was because he didn't have any HC experience.