Lemonis

[basedog]

Tell me I misread, or a post was not true that I saw.

"Lemonis is 100 wins and 83 losses since the National Championship, or at least that is what I saw someone posted. If true it should tell the story of a very average HC."

If so, he is a very average HC after the Natty.

[Dawgface]

Tell me I misread, or a post was not true that I saw.

"Lemonis is 100 wins and 83 losses since the National Championship, or at least that is what I saw someone posted. If true it should tell the story of a very average HC."

If so, he is a very average HC after the Natty.

Surely no one is debating that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Tell me I misread, or a post was not true that I saw.

"Lemonis is 100 wins and 83 losses since the National Championship, or at least that is what I saw someone posted. If true it should tell the story of a very average HC."

If so, he is a very average HC after the Natty.

So he's exactly what we hired. We act like he's regressed and in reality he hasn't. He was 141-91 at Indiana for a winning percentage of .607. He's 241-120 at State for a winning percentage of .641. He was a great coach pre NIL because he could recruit and by year 3 or 4 you had a pretty good team. Here that would mean hosting and competing for a national seed. Unfortunately the game has changed. You have to like the portal and know how to recruit it. Lemonis knows how to recruit it but he has on multiple occasions told people how much he hates it.

You know I'm going to go on a quick coaching search tangent here because I have seen a few names thrown out there in last 48-72 hours and honestly the last 3 years. And I can put buckshot through every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Tennessee got extremely lucky when they hired Vitello. They had no support, no boosters, and no one to get in his damn way. We have all of that.

Josh Elander- On Tony's staff but lacks one kind of important thing. HE AIN'T TONY. And he never will be. You are taking a shot in the dark just like you did with Cann and Lemonis.

Dan Heefner- STOP. Please just stop. Number 1, he isn't coming here. Ever. He has been offered MULTIPLE high level P4 jobs and turned every last one of them down. There's also the fact that the portal would eat him alive. He's at a private Christian college where the only D1 sport is baseball. He would get eaten on the SEC recruiting trail.

Cliff Godwin-He will be in the SEC and probably even in Mississippi. It'll just be 93 miles up the road in Oxford. He's turned us down two times.

Nick Mingione- Look I like Nick a lot and I think a lot of him as a person. But he can't coach here. He can't be the head guy in this pressure cooker. The guy has made the tournament 3 times in 7 years. COVID probably bought him two additional years or he's fired after 21.

Chris Pollard- He has definitely brought stability but it's year 13 and he hasn't made it to Omaha.

Justin Haire- This was the hot name in 22 and 23 coaching searches that never happened. He's currently 1-8 at Ohio St so I don't think we'll be hiring him this off season.


I will give everyone a name to watch if we make a move, Jordan Bischell. I have been high on him since 2019.

[DawgFromOxford]

You have to like the portal and know how to recruit it. Lemonis knows how to recruit it but he has on multiple occasions told people how much he hates it.


In fairness, I've yet to hear one coach rave about how much they love the portal.

But point stands, he's been very average to below average in the 3 years since 2021. Jury is still out on this year but early signs don't give off warm and fuzzy feelings

[basedog]

Big game for early season against Usm Tuesday night. I can't believe I even posted this, LOL! Very average Coach after the Natty.

[StarkVegasSteve]

In fairness, I've yet to hear one coach rave about how much they love the portal.

But point stands, he's been very average to below average in the 3 years since 2021. Jury is still out on this year but early signs don't give off warm and fuzzy feelings

Oh that's the thing. He can identify the talent. I mean Reese and Stallman have looked incredible. Pruitt I think just had first game jitters because he looked really good in the midweek. But he refuses to play the game and I think we've missed on a few guys because of that.

[Ranchdawg]

Steve what scares me the most is Selmon. His attitude, his past hires of his buddies and his total invisibility is what really scares me. Of your list I would have to go with Elander. Yes he is not Vitello but he is young, has a vision on players and been around Tony enough to know what it takes to win. If he could come here and recreate half what he has going on at Tn. we would be way head of where we are presently. I also think how hard it is to recruit to Tn. with their lack of history, location-cold and their lack of facilities it would be a lot easier here.

Edited to say; something has to be done. What is the definition of stupidity doing the same thing over and over and expect different results!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steve what scares me the most is Selmon. His attitude, his past hires of his buddies and his total invisibility is what really scares me. Of your list I would have to go with Elander. Yes he is not Vitello but he is young, has a vision on players and been around Tony enough to know what it takes to win. If he could come here and recreate half what he has going on at Tn. we would be way head of where we are presently. I also think how hard it is to recruit to Tn. with their lack of history, location-cold and their lack of facilities it would be a lot easier here.

Here's the problem that a lot of people don't want to admit. We had Tony Vitello before people knew who Tony Vitello was. It was Andy Cannizarro. Everything Vitello does, Andy was doing. You can't hire a Vitello guy and expect that you're getting Vitello because you're not. Tony Vitello's don't grow on trees. We had a guy with those intangible qualities. And we made the decision we couldn't keep him. Do I think we made the wrong decision. Absolutely. And I have never wavered from thinking that.

If we make a change we very well might hire Josh Elander, but he won't be Tony Vitello. And I hope people realize that, but I know they won't.

Now on the Selmon front, he's been very visible in the last 8-12 months. And he doesn't have many baseball contacts so I don't think he'll be hiring any buddies if we have to make a hire.

[bigbub50]

Anybody know what Lemon's buy out is. I believe he has been extended each year, but havnt we been decreasing the buyout? Been probably too expensive in the past, may still be. As much as we love MSU baseball, it dont pay the bills.

[maroonmania]

Here's the problem that a lot of people don't want to admit. We had Tony Vitello before people knew who Tony Vitello was. It was Andy Cannizarro. Everything Vitello does, Andy was doing. You can't hire a Vitello guy and expect that you're getting Vitello because you're not. Tony Vitello's don't grow on trees. We had a guy with those intangible qualities. And we made the decision we couldn't keep him. Do I think we made the wrong decision. Absolutely. And I have never wavered from thinking that.

If we make a change we very well might hire Josh Elander, but he won't be Tony Vitello. And I hope people realize that, but I know they won't.

Now on the Selmon front, he's been very visible in the last 8-12 months. And he doesn't have many baseball contacts so I don't think he'll be hiring any buddies if we have to make a hire.

Im.not sure what else.you can do but fire a guy that is so preoccupied with his side.piece that he is not doing his job or even paying attention to it? I think Cohen totally sucked as an AD but I blame him way more for pissing off Scheafer and causing him to leave than I do him canning Cann. It's not like Cannizaro has gone somewhere else and succeeded. Dude can't even get a college level job anymore.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anybody know what Lemon's buy out is. I believe he has been extended each year, but havnt we been decreasing the buyout? Been probably too expensive in the past, may still be. As much as we love MSU baseball, it dont pay the bills.

My guess is that it would be whatever is left on the contract. I think he's at 2 years remaining after this year so after this year it'd probably be 2.5-3 mil plus you have to buy out Parker, Geautrau, and Cheeseborough. So you're looking at an additional 2 mil right there. Add in to that hiring another staff, and you're looking at a total financial commitment of somewhere around 7.5-9 million. That's not cheap. Especially for a sport that is not presently turning a profit, and won't for at least 6 more years, and the University having to come up with around 20 mil/year to pay players.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Im.not sure what else.you can do but fire a guy that is so preoccupied with his side.piece that he is not doing his job or even paying attention to it? I think Cohen totally sucked as an AD but I blame him way more for pissing off Scheafer and causing him to leave than I do him canning Cann. It's not like Cannizaro has gone somewhere else and succeeded. Dude can't even get a college level job anymore.

I have always been under the impression that we should've suspended him for the year and decided if we wanted to bring him back after the season. It never sat well with me that we just fired him. Especially without having a guarantee we were getting a better coach, which hindsight being 20/20 we didn't.

And look, this is why I could never be AD, or have a job in an athletic dept. I want to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters. Cann was preoccupied, but we could've worked through that.

[Coach34]

I cant wait until next Feb when we are firing Lemon again

[StarkVegasSteve]

I cant wait until next Feb when we are firing Lemon again

Yea I seriously doubt we fire him personally. Unless he has another 2022 type season. It's a massive financial commitment in a time where 20 million extra is already coming off the books AND you're asking the people you would usually ask for this type of money to donate to State Excellence Fund already. And it goes back to what I've said for about 2 years, we can't keep asking Richard Adkerson, Richard Rula, Billy Howard, Oscar Miskelly, Mike Dunlap, Bo McKinnis, and Heath Jenkins to continually bail us out of every financial shortcoming we have.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yea I seriously doubt we fire him personally. Unless he has another 2022 type season. It's a massive financial commitment in a time where 20 million extra is already coming off the books AND you're asking the people you would usually ask for this type of money to donate to State Excellence Fund already. And it goes back to what I've said for about 2 years, we can't keep asking Richard Adkerson, Richard Rula, Billy Howard, Oscar Miskelly, Mike Dunlap, Bo McKinnis, and Heath Jenkins to continually bail us out of every financial shortcoming we have.

As much as no one wants to admit it, even baseball is not exempt from the fact that MSU and MS are a tough sell from a coaching perspective. It will always be a crap shoot with any hire because we aren't going to attract the A List coaches.
It's just a fact.

[StarkVegasSteve]

As much as no one wants to admit it, even baseball is not exempt from the fact that MSU and MS are a tough sell from a coaching perspective. It will always be a crap shoot with any hire because we aren't going to attract the A List coaches.
It's just a fact.

Correct. We're not and that is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people because our fanbase views our job in higher regard than the general coaching world. Also, baseball coaches (outside of Schloss) don't move around a whole bunch. If they get a good job, they're staying.

[Coach34]

If he tanks- I’m all for firing his ass.

I just think this team ultimately will be pretty good

[Activated Alpha]

If he tanks- I’m all for firing his ass.

I just think this team ultimately will be pretty good

This team might end up pretty good, but what does that get us? I'm hoping a hosting spot. Unless we are 1st or 2nd in the conference, national seed ain't going to happen and so far from what I've seen this season we won't even sniff the top half of the league let alone win the whole damn conference. As of right now, we are losing the OOC games that would make this a great team. Now, we can still end up being a good team, but I'm hoping being pretty good is enough to get us a hosting spot.

[basedog]

I hope we make a regional, but I don’t see us hosting. I hope I’m wrong.

[Cowbell]

I hope we make a regional, but I don?t see us hosting. I hope I?m wrong.

Agree 100%

[SPMT]

If he tanks- I?m all for firing his ass.

I just think this team ultimately will be pretty good


The bats are good. We have hitters. I have heard that out of two veteran field players, one that got benched recently.

The staff issues, we need to iron out asap.

[MoreCowbell]

Here's the problem that a lot of people don't want to admit. We had Tony Vitello before people knew who Tony Vitello was. It was Andy Cannizarro. Everything Vitello does, Andy was doing. You can't hire a Vitello guy and expect that you're getting Vitello because you're not. Tony Vitello's don't grow on trees. We had a guy with those intangible qualities. And we made the decision we couldn't keep him. Do I think we made the wrong decision. Absolutely. And I have never wavered from thinking that.

If we make a change we very well might hire Josh Elander, but he won't be Tony Vitello. And I hope people realize that, but I know they won't.

Now on the Selmon front, he's been very visible in the last 8-12 months. And he doesn't have many baseball contacts so I don't think he'll be hiring any buddies if we have to make a hire.

Was going to post the same thing. Cannizaro really 17ed us and himself over.

[Cooterpoot]

So he's exactly what we hired. We act like he's regressed and in reality he hasn't. He was 141-91 at Indiana for a winning percentage of .607. He's 241-120 at State for a winning percentage of .641. He was a great coach pre NIL because he could recruit and by year 3 or 4 you had a pretty good team. Here that would mean hosting and competing for a national seed. Unfortunately the game has changed. You have to like the portal and know how to recruit it. Lemonis knows how to recruit it but he has on multiple occasions told people how much he hates it.

You know I'm going to go on a quick coaching search tangent here because I have seen a few names thrown out there in last 48-72 hours and honestly the last 3 years. And I can put buckshot through every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Tennessee got extremely lucky when they hired Vitello. They had no support, no boosters, and no one to get in his damn way. We have all of that.

Josh Elander- On Tony's staff but lacks one kind of important thing. HE AIN'T TONY. And he never will be. You are taking a shot in the dark just like you did with Cann and Lemonis.

Dan Heefner- STOP. Please just stop. Number 1, he isn't coming here. Ever. He has been offered MULTIPLE high level P4 jobs and turned every last one of them down. There's also the fact that the portal would eat him alive. He's at a private Christian college where the only D1 sport is baseball. He would get eaten on the SEC recruiting trail.

Cliff Godwin-He will be in the SEC and probably even in Mississippi. It'll just be 93 miles up the road in Oxford. He's turned us down two times.

Nick Mingione- Look I like Nick a lot and I think a lot of him as a person. But he can't coach here. He can't be the head guy in this pressure cooker. The guy has made the tournament 3 times in 7 years. COVID probably bought him two additional years or he's fired after 21.

Chris Pollard- He has definitely brought stability but it's year 13 and he hasn't made it to Omaha.

Justin Haire- This was the hot name in 22 and 23 coaching searches that never happened. He's currently 1-8 at Ohio St so I don't think we'll be hiring him this off season.


I will give everyone a name to watch if we make a move, Jordan Bischell. I have been high on him since 2019.

He couldn't recruit before NIL and to suggest people are in Lemonis way is silly as hell

[ArrowDawg]

So he's exactly what we hired. We act like he's regressed and in reality he hasn't. He was 141-91 at Indiana for a winning percentage of .607. He's 241-120 at State for a winning percentage of .641. He was a great coach pre NIL because he could recruit and by year 3 or 4 you had a pretty good team. Here that would mean hosting and competing for a national seed. Unfortunately the game has changed. You have to like the portal and know how to recruit it. Lemonis knows how to recruit it but he has on multiple occasions told people how much he hates it.

You know I'm going to go on a quick coaching search tangent here because I have seen a few names thrown out there in last 48-72 hours and honestly the last 3 years. And I can put buckshot through every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Tennessee got extremely lucky when they hired Vitello. They had no support, no boosters, and no one to get in his damn way. We have all of that.

Josh Elander- On Tony's staff but lacks one kind of important thing. HE AIN'T TONY. And he never will be. You are taking a shot in the dark just like you did with Cann and Lemonis.

Dan Heefner- STOP. Please just stop. Number 1, he isn't coming here. Ever. He has been offered MULTIPLE high level P4 jobs and turned every last one of them down. There's also the fact that the portal would eat him alive. He's at a private Christian college where the only D1 sport is baseball. He would get eaten on the SEC recruiting trail.

Cliff Godwin-He will be in the SEC and probably even in Mississippi. It'll just be 93 miles up the road in Oxford. He's turned us down two times.

Nick Mingione- Look I like Nick a lot and I think a lot of him as a person. But he can't coach here. He can't be the head guy in this pressure cooker. The guy has made the tournament 3 times in 7 years. COVID probably bought him two additional years or he's fired after 21.

Chris Pollard- He has definitely brought stability but it's year 13 and he hasn't made it to Omaha.

Justin Haire- This was the hot name in 22 and 23 coaching searches that never happened. He's currently 1-8 at Ohio St so I don't think we'll be hiring him this off season.


I will give everyone a name to watch if we make a move, Jordan Bischell. I have been high on him since 2019.

Once the team became a true, 100% Lemonis roster from top to bottom after we won the title, we've been average to bad. If we somehow host a regional this year that's great, but once every four years doesn't cut it. I want to win another title. We all should want that. Unfortunately, I think a lot of our fans are satisfied with telling 2021 stories to their kids and grandkids for the rest of their lives.

[KOdawg1]

So he's exactly what we hired. We act like he's regressed and in reality he hasn't. He was 141-91 at Indiana for a winning percentage of .607. He's 241-120 at State for a winning percentage of .641. He was a great coach pre NIL because he could recruit and by year 3 or 4 you had a pretty good team. Here that would mean hosting and competing for a national seed. Unfortunately the game has changed. You have to like the portal and know how to recruit it. Lemonis knows how to recruit it but he has on multiple occasions told people how much he hates it.

You know I'm going to go on a quick coaching search tangent here because I have seen a few names thrown out there in last 48-72 hours and honestly the last 3 years. And I can put buckshot through every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Tennessee got extremely lucky when they hired Vitello. They had no support, no boosters, and no one to get in his damn way. We have all of that.

Josh Elander- On Tony's staff but lacks one kind of important thing. HE AIN'T TONY. And he never will be. You are taking a shot in the dark just like you did with Cann and Lemonis.

Dan Heefner- STOP. Please just stop. Number 1, he isn't coming here. Ever. He has been offered MULTIPLE high level P4 jobs and turned every last one of them down. There's also the fact that the portal would eat him alive. He's at a private Christian college where the only D1 sport is baseball. He would get eaten on the SEC recruiting trail.

Cliff Godwin-He will be in the SEC and probably even in Mississippi. It'll just be 93 miles up the road in Oxford. He's turned us down two times.

Nick Mingione- Look I like Nick a lot and I think a lot of him as a person. But he can't coach here. He can't be the head guy in this pressure cooker. The guy has made the tournament 3 times in 7 years. COVID probably bought him two additional years or he's fired after 21.

Chris Pollard- He has definitely brought stability but it's year 13 and he hasn't made it to Omaha.

Justin Haire- This was the hot name in 22 and 23 coaching searches that never happened. He's currently 1-8 at Ohio St so I don't think we'll be hiring him this off season.


I will give everyone a name to watch if we make a move, Jordan Bischell. I have been high on him since 2019.
I want Mark Wasikowski at Oregon

[StarkVegasSteve]

I want Mark Wasikowski at Oregon

Kind of another one of those ehh hires. Like he is decent at Oregon but he has only coached in this conference once, for a two year stint with Andy Lopez. He also has never made Omaha as a HC so you are basically hiring another Lemonis.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Once the team became a true, 100% Lemonis roster from top to bottom after we won the title, we've been average to bad. If we somehow host a regional this year that's great, but once every four years doesn't cut it. I want to win another title. We all should want that. Unfortunately, I think a lot of our fans are satisfied with telling 2021 stories to their kids and grandkids for the rest of their lives.

Oh I can guarantee they are not but the problem is that they overinflate our baseball program. They want to put us up on the same level as LSU when in actuality we are on a similar level as like Arkansas. We are a step below Vandy. And with Vitello, Tennessee has surpassed us. They think we can go hire any coach we want and in actuality it is EXTREMELY hard to get coaches to agree to come coach in Starkville, MS.

[Coursesuper]

Oh I can guarantee they are not but the problem is that they overinflate our baseball program. They want to put us up on the same level as LSU when in actuality we are on a similar level as like Arkansas. We are a step below Vandy. And with Vitello, Tennessee has surpassed us. They think we can go hire any coach we want and in actuality it is EXTREMELY hard to get coaches to agree to come coach in Starkville, MS.

This is the hard truth that most of our people refuse to hear.

[Coach34]

Once the team became a true, 100% Lemonis roster from top to bottom after we won the title, we've been average to bad.

We were not average last season. We were on the bubble to host (people behind us actually hosted) and were ranked 15th in the country heading into a Regional. That is not average. That is Top 5% of college baseball

[Goldendawg]

Once the team became a true, 100% Lemonis roster from top to bottom after we won the title, we've been average to bad. If we somehow host a regional this year that's great, but once every four years doesn't cut it. I want to win another title. We all should want that. Unfortunately, I think a lot of our fans are satisfied with telling 2021 stories to their kids and grandkids for the rest of their lives.

Cohen shot off his big mouth and didn't deliver in this hire. Lemonis is a mid-pack Big 10 baseball coach from Indiana. Won with about 4 other previous coaches' players that had some once in a lifetime alpha dogs that could have won it all with any competent coach. Year after the NC was an embarrassment and below expectations since.

[Brobi-wan]

This is the hard truth that most of our people refuse to hear.

Yup, Starkville is marginally better than a high end retirement town. Without the district that’s what it would be.

[KOdawg1]

Kind of another one of those ehh hires. Like he is decent at Oregon but he has only coached in this conference once, for a two year stint with Andy Lopez. He also has never made Omaha as a HC so you are basically hiring another Lemonis.

You're right except not really. First off, 3 years at Florida.

Lemonis at Indiana in 4 years: 141-92 (60.7%), 3 regionals, 0 super regionals.

Wasikowski in 4 years at Oregon (won't count covid): 158-83 (65.5%), 4 regionals, 2 super regionals, and has them in position to do it again.

That's not to mention he took Purdue to a regional in his second year there, something they had only done TWICE in their school's history before him. So yeah, they're not the same hire at all.

He's also put together some really good portal classes at Oregon and seems to embrace that part of recruiting, which is something our current staff hates.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yup, Starkville is marginally better than a high end retirement town. Without the district that’s what it would be.

Despite the objections of the townfolk for the better part of 50 years, without Mississippi State, Starkville would be a 3 stop light town with a McDonalds and 3 gas stations.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're right except not really. First off, 3 years at Florida.

Lemonis at Indiana in 4 years: 141-92 (60.7%), 3 regionals, 0 super regionals.

Wasikowski in 4 years at Oregon (won't count covid): 158-83 (65.5%), 4 regionals, 2 super regionals, and has them in position to do it again.

That's not to mention he took Purdue to a regional in his second year there, something they had only done TWICE in their school's history before him. So yeah, they're not the same hire at all.

My bad, 3 years with Andy Lopez, who was fired. And with all those tournament appearances he has converted an impressive 0% of them to trips to Omaha. So yea, I'll pass. We don't need another stick in the mud head coach. Which is what he is. He's also at Oregon, who will money whip us into next year just because they're bored during the summer months.

[KOdawg1]

My bad, 3 years with Andy Lopez, who was fired. And with all those tournament appearances he has converted an impressive 0% of them to trips to Omaha. So yea, I'll pass. We don't need another stick in the mud head coach. Which is what he is. He's also at Oregon, who will money whip us into next year just because they're bored during the summer months.

Lol idk who you think we'd hire then but you're going to be majorly disappointed.

We're not pulling an established HC with multiple CWS appearances. We proved that last go around.

Waz would be an outstanding hire.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lol idk who you think we'd hire then but you're going to be majorly disappointed.

We're not pulling an established HC with multiple CWS appearances. We proved that last go around.

Waz would be an outstanding hire.

I don't think we're pulling that. See my above posts. I also don't think we need to hire another Lemonis, which is what you're advocating hiring. I've openly stated multiple times who I would hire, Jordan Bischell. I also would take a look at Skylar Meade and Rob Vaughn. Jim Penders at UCONN is probably another you'd give a look. Also be very interested to watch Mitch Hannahs at USF to see what he does in his first season there.

If we were to go the asst route, the obvious choices would be Nate Thompson at Arkansas, elevating Justin Parker, Josh Elander, Corey Muscara, or Nick Schnabel

[KOdawg1]

I don't think we're pulling that. See my above posts. I also don't think we need to hire another Lemonis, which is what you're advocating hiring. I've openly stated multiple times who I would hire, Jordan Bischell. I also would take a look at Skylar Meade and Rob Vaughn. Jim Penders at UCONN is probably another you'd give a look. Also be very interested to watch Mitch Hannahs at USF to see what he does in his first season there.

If we were to go the asst route, the obvious choices would be Nate Thompson at Arkansas, elevating Justin Parker, Josh Elander, Corey Muscara, or Nick Schnabel
Except I proved you wrong on comparing him to Lemonis and the stats continue to back me up on that no matter how many times you say it. He's a much better HC than Lemonis was at Indiana. It's not debatable.

Bischel would be decent but he needs to prove it more at Cincinnati. Missed the tournament last year. He needs to make it this year. Also you mentioned the lack of SEC experience for Waz. Bischel has none.

I like Vaughn. I like Meade even though he would be a risk.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Except I proved you wrong on comparing him to Lemonis and the stats continue to back me up on that no matter how many times you say it. He's a much better HC than Lemonis was at Indiana. It's not debatable.

Bischel would be decent but he needs to prove it more at Cincinnati. Missed the tournament last year. He needs to make it this year. Also you mentioned the lack of SEC experience for Waz. Bischel has none.

I like Vaughn. I like Meade even though he would be a risk.

Where has he been better than Lemonis? I am being serious.

Purdue: 1 tourney appearance in 2 years
Oregon: 4 tourneys, 2 supers, 0 CWS appearances and 0 national titles

Lemonis at Indiana: 3 regionals in 4 years
Lemonis at State: 3 regionals, 2 supers, 2 CWS, 1 national title in 5 years


Where was he better than Lemonis? I guess you can argue he has gotten further at Oregon, a much better job than Indiana, than Lemonis got while he was at Indiana. Just really not seeing the comparison.

[StateDawg44]

We were not average last season. We were on the bubble to host (people behind us actually hosted) and were ranked 15th in the country heading into a Regional. That is not average. That is Top 5% of college baseball

I am admittedly hard on Lemonis. That said, we would?ve and should?ve gotten the host bid last year if it weren?t for some politicking. The host site potential alone should tip the scales in our favor.

But we never should?ve been on the bubble if we are the team you claim we are. That is the problem I think most people with pitchforks have. There was so much left on the table last season. And so far not one person can argue that we haven?t just picked up this year with the same exact play and mistakes as last year.

There are several SEC teams who we have no business losing to that will likely whoop our ass this year. And we have one of the easiest SEC schedules this year that I can remember.

Let USM come in tomorrow and shut us down again and we?ll hear more excuses and reasons why we should just accept another week day L and be happy with Lemonball because we can?t do any better.

When does just getting by become not enough for some folks and them accept we?ve plateaued and need something new?

[Pancho]

I think another poor showing vs USM will paint an obvious picture going forward. I continue to hope but have very little confidence.

[KOdawg1]

Where has he been better than Lemonis? I am being serious.

Purdue: 1 tourney appearance in 2 years
Oregon: 4 tourneys, 2 supers, 0 CWS appearances and 0 national titles

Lemonis at Indiana: 3 regionals in 4 years
Lemonis at State: 3 regionals, 2 supers, 2 CWS, 1 national title in 5 years


Where was he better than Lemonis? I guess you can argue he has gotten further at Oregon, a much better job than Indiana, than Lemonis got while he was at Indiana. Just really not seeing the comparison.
You can't use Lemonis at State as a comparison because Wasikowski hasn't coached at State so you don't know how he would do. That's apples to oranges.

You just listed out how he was better than Lemonis at Indiana in your post. Your pick Bischel hasn't been to a super regional once. So you can't just discount those for one candidate and diminish the importance for another. And like I said, he took Purdue to a regional which is something they've very rarely done. Oregon hadn't been to a regional in 5 years and he took them to one in his first non-Covid year.

You're all over the place with your criteria here and I'm not sure why you're calling him a stick in the mud when he's accomplished more than the other candidates you've listed. If you don't like him, give some legit reasons.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You can't use Lemonis at State as a comparison because Wasikowski hasn't coached at State so you don't know how he would do. That's apples to oranges.

You just listed out how he was better than Lemonis at Indiana in your post. Your pick Bischel hasn't been to a super regional once. So you can't just discount those for one candidate and diminish the importance for another. And like I said, he took Purdue to a regional which is something they've very rarely done. Oregon hadn't been to a regional in 5 years and he took them to one in his first non-Covid year.

You're all over the place with your criteria here and I'm not sure why you're calling him a stick in the mud when he's accomplished more than the other candidates you've listed. If you don't like him, give some legit reasons.

Ok.

1. This would not be a situation that Lemonis walked into. Players would transfer out en masse. So you're looking at a probable 2-3 year rebuild if you get a coach that doesn't know how to use the portal. Can he use the portal? You can't just hope. You need to know.

2. Remember that we got lucky and kept Jake so we kept most of that recruiting class and most of the guys on the roster(Westburg, Foscue, Skelton, etc.). We would not if we brought in a new coach. He has no recruiting connections in this area. NONE. No one on his staff has ever coached east of Idaho. And by the way, we have the number 5 class in the country coming in. That would be gone.

3. He's been to Omaha once as a coach. He was an asst under Lopez and it was in Rosenblatt.

4. Team ERA is on the higher side in the Pac 12/Big 10(his best staff was his first year and not his players). I hesitate what it would be in this league. We've already seen live and in color what happens to bad pitching staffs in this league.


I can add some more if I need to. At the end of the day, I'll get behind him if he's the HC, but I don't see a guy that's a difference maker or is a program elevator. Oregon has been good in recent history. Not like he turned around a perennial loser and made them a regular in the Supers.

[KOdawg1]

Ok.

1. This would not be a situation that Lemonis walked into. Players would transfer out en masse. So you're looking at a probable 2-3 year rebuild if you get a coach that doesn't know how to use the portal. Can he use the portal? You can't just hope. You need to know.

2. Remember that we got lucky and kept Jake so we kept most of that recruiting class and most of the guys on the roster(Westburg, Foscue, Skelton, etc.). We would not if we brought in a new coach. He has no recruiting connections in this area. NONE. No one on his staff has ever coached east of Idaho. And by the way, we have the number 5 class in the country coming in. That would be gone.

3. He's been to Omaha once as a coach. He was an asst under Lopez and it was in Rosenblatt.

4. Team ERA is on the higher side in the Pac 12/Big 10(his best staff was his first year and not his players). I hesitate what it would be in this league. We've already seen live and in color what happens to bad pitching staffs in this league.


I can add some more if I need to. At the end of the day, I'll get behind him if he's the HC, but I don't see a guy that's a difference maker or is a program elevator. Oregon has been good in recent history. Not like he turned around a perennial loser and made them a regular in the Supers.
1. Brought in a top 10 portal class at Oregon last year.

2. This is true of any coach you'd bring in. Bischel included. You don't make or not make hires based off keeping recruiting classes. Arnett taught us that.

3. Some of the coaches you've said you'd look have been 0. Again, we're doing a lot of shifting here.

4. Maybe the most valid point you've presented yet.

Just pointing out the holes in your argument and I think I've done that. Hopefully Lemon gets the team hot and we can make a run at hosting. I doubt it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

1. Brought in a top 10 portal class at Oregon last year.

2. This is true of any coach you'd bring in. Bischel included. You don't make or not make hires based off keeping recruiting classes. Arnett taught us that.

3. Some of the coaches you've said you'd look have been 0. Again, we're doing a lot of shifting here.

4. Maybe the most valid point you've presented yet.

Just pointing out the holes in your argument and I think I've done that. Hopefully Lemon gets the team hot and we can make a run at hosting. I doubt it.

1. Have no clue what ranking you use but I do not remember them being anywhere near the top 10 in any ranking I saw. Could be wrong though.

2. You are right. It is true of any coach. But it would be nice to have a coach with some sort of prior knowledge of the recruiting base that we have. Him nor anyone on his staff has that.

3. The only coach I have suggested with certainty is Bischel. The rest were just throwing names out there. And he just has IT. Those Central Michigan teams fought their ass off for him and he has a personality that can connect with kids. Portal or HS. He is having to completely rebuild a Cincinnati team that has went to the NCAAT once since 1974 and it was because they won their conference tourney in 2019 to make it. Just last year, his first year, he tied for the most wins since 2006. I will sacrifice experience if you know you got a dude. Bischel is that and it has been universally agreed upon since about 2018.

4. Bad pitching should be enough to completely turn you off to any candidate unless they are bringing in McGwire and Canseco to bat 4 and 5.

[KOdawg1]

1. Have no clue what ranking you use but I do not remember them being anywhere near the top 10 in any ranking I saw. Could be wrong though.

2. You are right. It is true of any coach. But it would be nice to have a coach with some sort of prior knowledge of the recruiting base that we have. Him nor anyone on his staff has that.

3. The only coach I have suggested is Bischel. And he just has IT. Those Central Michigan teams fought their ass off for him and he has a personality that can connect with kids. Portal or HS. He is having to completely rebuild a Cincinnati team that has went to the NCAAT once since 1974 and it was because they won their conference tourney in 2019 to make it. Just last year, his first year, he tied for the most wins since 2006. I will sacrifice experience if you know you got a dude. Bischel is that and it has been universally agreed upon since about 2018.

4. Bad pitching should be enough to completely turn you off to any candidate unless they are bringing in McGwire and Canseco to bat 4 and 5.

So a coach who's gone to 2 straight super regionals, has his team in the top 15 and in position to go to a 3rd is a stick in the mud but a guy who hasn't made it out of a regional has "IT"?

Yeah you can miss me with that. Argument over man.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So a coach who's gone to 2 straight super regionals, has his team in the top 15 and in position to go to a 3rd is a stick in the mud but a guy who hasn't made it out of a regional has "IT"?

Yeah you can miss me with that. Argument over man.

Sounds good. Also, it doesn't matter. We're not hiring either of them. Out of all likelihood we will hire a guy that has extensive experience in the Southeast and will either be hiring an asst or lower level G5 guy. Think someone like Lane Borroughs, not advocating for Lane, but someone like that. Andy Sawyers at SEMO could fit that mold. Mike Sawyer, who was at Nicholls and is now at Ark State would probably fit that mold. Hell if he could turn around that Ark State program he might be better than any name on the list. That may be one of the worst D1 jobs. Mike Folmar at Oral Roberts would also get a call.

Or you go Nate Thompson, Elander, Parker, etc. assistant type.

[Brobi-wan]

Sounds good. Also, it doesn't matter. We're not hiring either of them. Out of all likelihood we will hire a guy that has extensive experience in the Southeast and will either be hiring an asst or lower level G5 guy. Think someone like Lane Borroughs, not advocating for Lane, but someone like that. Andy Sawyers at SEMO could fit that mold. Mike Sawyer, who was at Nicholls and is now at Ark State would probably fit that mold. Hell if he could turn around that Ark State program he might be better than any name on the list. That may be one of the worst D1 jobs. Mike Folmar at Oral Roberts would also get a call.

Or you go Nate Thompson, Elander, Parker, etc. assistant type.

I actually would be pretty happy with Elander. If we had to hire, a young high energy guy seems like the way to go.

[Todd4State]

First of all and to the point. We don't have a head coaching problem right now. You may not like Lemonis for 2022 or 2023 or not making a regional or losing a game to whoever- but ultimately right now at the present he isn't our biggest problem.

The problem is we have a starting rotation problem. That's it. That is what has been losing us games for the most part and what has been overall the weakest part of the team. And you could say "well, that's on Lemonis for trotting out guys we all knew couldn't get the job done" but the other option would be to run out freshmen essentially who are just as much of an unknown even though they have higher ceilings. Also, I think it would be more of a concern if Lemonis wasn't willing to change the rotation but I know that is going to happen starting this weekend. Trusting veteran players and hoping that their experience helps win games while the talented underclassmen learn is something that is consistently done at MSU- and heck half the people wanting Lemonis fired in this thread probably would happily take Dan Mullen back all the time and he did the same thing except he wasn't willing to bench veteran players for more talented underclassmen.

If we can fix the rotation we will be fine. We have a deep enough bullpen where we can piece games together if we have to as well plus I think we have other options other than the current Sat and Sun pitcher that I think can perform better and give us a better chance to win. I'm not too surprised that Ligon has struggled. That's been going on the whole time he has been here. I would have been very surprised if he finished the season as the Sat guy. I think Stone is better as a relief pitcher and he can still help us there.

As far as the stuff about Cann- it cracks me up when I see fans that think we should have kept him. I don't know that he was fired so much for sleeping around as much as it was he had lost the team and was basically not coaching or recruiting. Which is part of the reason why 2022 and 2023 happened but everyone wants to blame all of that on Lemonis. He is far from Vitello. He is an immature baseball scout who is finally doing what he should be doing- scouting for the Dodgers. The guy couldn't even run a high school baseball program that isn't even one of the top programs in New Orleans- we would have been in complete disarray had we kept him and we wouldn't even have a National Championship if we kept him around because of the damage he would have caused. For a Mississippi equivalent- what Cann did at Holy Cross would be about like Ridgeland High School or something. And I'm 100% sure we have posters who could handle running that program decently or better meaning they would have been better options for us than Cann.

One other thing- I would like to see a link where Lemonis says he hates recruiting the portal. And don't give me Robbie Faulk and Brian Hadad said so as sources. I can tell you for a fact that I have heard him talk about the portal and all he really said was that it's different because you have to build a team from year to year rather than over 2-3 years. But nothing about "hating" it. And even if he does hate it he is at least recruiting pretty well- Ace Reese, Noah Sullivan, Chase Hungate, and Reed Stallman are some of our best players right now. Jury is still out on Pruitt and Reeves. I don't know why our fans put out bullcrap like that but I guess it helps their point if they say it enough even if it isn't true.

[Todd4State]

I actually would be pretty happy with Elander. If we had to hire, a young high energy guy seems like the way to go.

He would be a risk because he doesn't have head coaching experience. He'll get a shot somewhere soon- if he does well wherever he goes then maybe. But it would be a risk we don't and shouldn't have to take.

The best option IMO would be Duke's head coach- Chris Pollard. Especially if he could keep Parker and bring in Brian Sakowski.

[Todd4State]

Sounds good. Also, it doesn't matter. We're not hiring either of them. Out of all likelihood we will hire a guy that has extensive experience in the Southeast and will either be hiring an asst or lower level G5 guy. Think someone like Lane Borroughs, not advocating for Lane, but someone like that. Andy Sawyers at SEMO could fit that mold. Mike Sawyer, who was at Nicholls and is now at Ark State would probably fit that mold. Hell if he could turn around that Ark State program he might be better than any name on the list. That may be one of the worst D1 jobs. Mike Folmar at Oral Roberts would also get a call.

Or you go Nate Thompson, Elander, Parker, etc. assistant type.

You mean Mike Silva at Arkansas State?

[StarkVegasSteve]

You mean Mike Silva at Arkansas State?

Yea my bad. Still had Sawyers from SEMO on my mind.

[Todd4State]

Yea my bad. Still had Sawyers from SEMO on my mind.

Sawyers used to be an assistant at Northwestern State under Cohen a long time ago. I know that SEMO is an impossible place to win at but the last head coach that was successful there went to Mizzou and failed miserably. It doesn't give me warm fuzzies about him.

[Todd4State]

And I'll say this just because it crossed my mind- we almost have to hire someone with head coaching experience somewhere.

Our baseball job is way too big compared to the rest of the sport to not hire someone with experience. The expectations are sky high and quite honestly somewhat unrealistic in that our fans expect us to play a monster OOC schedule and play in prestigious tournaments and win big and win the SEC. I'm not saying that's a bad thing because I don't mind playing against good OOC teams or tournaments like Houston- but it's a double edged sword. If you are a first year head coach it's hard to build a program when you have fans complaining about playing Quinnipiac in a February game and accusing you of scheduling down to get easy wins to insure staying around. You also have to deal with major boosters who actually care and want to win now and you have all of the other sects of fans like the LFL people, the locals, the out of town people, former players, etc.

And you have to have someone with some good scouting connections to recruit the types of players we need to meet expectations.

With all of that going on we really can't afford to have someone "learn on the job."

Edit to say- ideally someone that coached at a mid major like USM, South Alabama, or Tulane where you have a decent sized fan base that actually cares and some semblance of tradition is kind of the ideal place to pull a coach from for me. And to be honest getting Ostrander to be our head coach probably wouldn't be a terrible move.

[MoreCowbell]

First of all and to the point. We don't have a head coaching problem right now. You may not like Lemonis for 2022 or 2023 or not making a regional or losing a game to whoever- but ultimately right now at the present he isn't our biggest problem.

The problem is we have a starting rotation problem. That's it. That is what has been losing us games for the most part and what has been overall the weakest part of the team. And you could say "well, that's on Lemonis for trotting out guys we all knew couldn't get the job done" but the other option would be to run out freshmen essentially who are just as much of an unknown even though they have higher ceilings. Also, I think it would be more of a concern if Lemonis wasn't willing to change the rotation but I know that is going to happen starting this weekend. Trusting veteran players and hoping that their experience helps win games while the talented underclassmen learn is something that is consistently done at MSU- and heck half the people wanting Lemonis fired in this thread probably would happily take Dan Mullen back all the time and he did the same thing except he wasn't willing to bench veteran players for more talented underclassmen.

If we can fix the rotation we will be fine. We have a deep enough bullpen where we can piece games together if we have to as well plus I think we have other options other than the current Sat and Sun pitcher that I think can perform better and give us a better chance to win. I'm not too surprised that Ligon has struggled. That's been going on the whole time he has been here. I would have been very surprised if he finished the season as the Sat guy. I think Stone is better as a relief pitcher and he can still help us there.

As far as the stuff about Cann- it cracks me up when I see fans that think we should have kept him. I don't know that he was fired so much for sleeping around as much as it was he had lost the team and was basically not coaching or recruiting. Which is part of the reason why 2022 and 2023 happened but everyone wants to blame all of that on Lemonis. He is far from Vitello. He is an immature baseball scout who is finally doing what he should be doing- scouting for the Dodgers. The guy couldn't even run a high school baseball program that isn't even one of the top programs in New Orleans- we would have been in complete disarray had we kept him and we wouldn't even have a National Championship if we kept him around because of the damage he would have caused. For a Mississippi equivalent- what Cann did at Holy Cross would be about like Ridgeland High School or something. And I'm 100% sure we have posters who could handle running that program decently or better meaning they would have been better options for us than Cann.

One other thing- I would like to see a link where Lemonis says he hates recruiting the portal. And don't give me Robbie Faulk and Brian Hadad said so as sources. I can tell you for a fact that I have heard him talk about the portal and all he really said was that it's different because you have to build a team from year to year rather than over 2-3 years. But nothing about "hating" it. And even if he does hate it he is at least recruiting pretty well- Ace Reese, Noah Sullivan, Chase Hungate, and Reed Stallman are some of our best players right now. Jury is still out on Pruitt and Reeves. I don't know why our fans put out bullcrap like that but I guess it helps their point if they say it enough even if it isn't true.

On your Cann comment. Yeah, when a player like Jake Mangum is telling the AD that the coach is a problem then you get his ass out of there. Period.

[State82]

On your Cann comment. Yeah, when a player like Jake Mangum is telling the AD that the coach is a problem then you get his ass out of there. Period.
One Hundred Percent

[StarkVegasSteve]

On your Cann comment. Yeah, when a player like Jake Mangum is telling the AD that the coach is a problem then you get his ass out of there. Period.

Jake had a coke problem til Cann suspended his ass. Would not exactly say he is the beacon of light we needed to be listening to.

[SPMT]

Jake had a coke problem til Cann suspended his ass. Would not exactly say he is the beacon of light we needed to be listening to.

Interesting. Never heard that one.

[Todd4State]

Jake had a coke problem til Cann suspended his ass. Would not exactly say he is the beacon of light we needed to be listening to.

It wasn't just Jake saying that Cann needed to go.

Rumor was that Cohen discussed it with Gary Henderson who told Cohen that he couldn't take it anymore and was about to quit.

[Todd4State]

Interesting. Never heard that one.

Rumored to have been why he was suspended against Arkansas along with a pitcher.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rumored to have been why he was suspended against Arkansas along with a pitcher.

Plumlee and him were suspended and Cyr and Marrero were kicked off the team. I think they were suspended after Arkansas though. There is a whole story there and maybe once Steve Robertson finally hangs it up he will decide to tell it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It wasn't just Jake saying that Cann needed to go.

Rumor was that Cohen discussed it with Gary Henderson who told Cohen that he couldn't take it anymore and was about to quit.

That is the truth. Henderson had met with some players and some of the other assistants and told Cohen that Cann had lost control of things, which he had because it had gotten BAD. Team discipline was at an all time low off the field. There is actually a video from that Henderson meeting where they had a board with the new team rules and had everyone sign it. Those rules were not there just because Henderson had just thought of them that morning.

I have never been a Cann apologist. The guy 17’d up in a way we have never seen a high level D1 coach 17 up. I just knew what we were losing when he walked out that door and I have always thought Cohen was never considering the long game in that situation. I always thought there was a way back. And watching what Vitello has done at Tennessee has only crystalized that in my mind. We had that. We had that brash bravado and the coach that the media ate of the hand of.

[Tbonewannabe]

That is the truth. Henderson had met with some players and some of the other assistants and told Cohen that Cann had lost control of things, which he had because it had gotten BAD. Team discipline was at an all time low off the field. There is actually a video from that Henderson meeting where they had a board with the new team rules and had everyone sign it. Those rules were not there just because Henderson had just thought of them that morning.

I have never been a Cann apologist. The guy 17’d up in a way we have never seen a high level D1 coach 17 up. I just knew what we were losing when he walked out that door and I have always thought Cohen was never considering the long game in that situation. I always thought there was a way back. And watching what Vitello has done at Tennessee has only crystalized that in my mind. We had that. We had that brash bravado and the coach that the media ate of the hand of.

Yeah Cann screwed up big time and hasn't been right since. What he did with his first team, around 9 outs from Omaha, was amazing. That team had a lot of injuries to overcome if I remember correctly. You just thought that we found a coach that could win it all.

It is actually crazy how everything shook out and how far he fell.

[Brobi-wan]

Plumlee and him were suspended and Cyr and Marrero were kicked off the team. I think they were suspended after Arkansas though. There is a whole story there and maybe once Steve Robertson finally hangs it up he will decide to tell it.

Wasn?t Marrero essentially dealing and that was why he was booted? I remember a family member close to the program saying something similar to this.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wasn?t Marrero essentially dealing and that was why he was booted? I remember a family member close to the program saying something similar to this.

You are dead on the money. You can also take out essentially. He was dealing.

[Coach34]

So I guess we arent firing Lemon this week?

[confucius say]

So I guess we arent firing Lemon this week?

Awfully quiet around here isn't it

[Brobi-wan]

So I guess we arent firing Lemon this week?

Don’t worry. There still time to hire Bucky.

[DawgFromOxford]

So I guess we arent firing Lemon this week?

Hold your horses. We haven't played Queens yet (TBD if this is a sarcastic or prophetic comment)

[ArrowDawg]

Hold your horses. We haven't played Queens yet (TBD if this is a sarcastic or prophetic comment)

Queens should be swept in our sleep, and I suspect they will be. As usual, I'll wait until the end of the season to evaluate Lemon instead of playing this silly game to game crap. I'm not a fan of his, but he could win me back if this team does great things.

[bigbub50]

As painful as the start to this season has seemed. Last year was way worse. Losing to Air Force and Austin Peay x2, plus losing Dohm and not knowing yet what we had with Stephen and Loo was heart wrenching. Lemon would have to royally screw up (like off field issues) to lose his job this year. Just due to buy out alone. And I am enjoying the hitting so far this year. We currently have 7 hitting over .300, dingers are way up, 2 hitting over .400. 2 guys hitting below .300 (skinny and Highfill) will probably get going.

[confucius say]

What is his buyout?

[Coach34]

What is his buyout?

would cost us around $9MM to fire and hire

[SPMT]

would cost us around $9MM to fire and hire

That sucks.

Better be a home run hire.

Main issue is we don?t have Tenn, LSU, etc. talent. Don?t think we are far off though, if we can dial in the staff.

[BigDawg81]

Ok.

1. This would not be a situation that Lemonis walked into. Players would transfer out en masse. So you're looking at a probable 2-3 year rebuild if you get a coach that doesn't know how to use the portal. Can he use the portal? You can't just hope. You need to know.

2. Remember that we got lucky and kept Jake so we kept most of that recruiting class and most of the guys on the roster(Westburg, Foscue, Skelton, etc.). We would not if we brought in a new coach. He has no recruiting connections in this area. NONE. No one on his staff has ever coached east of Idaho. And by the way, we have the number 5 class in the country coming in. That would be gone.

3. He's been to Omaha once as a coach. He was an asst under Lopez and it was in Rosenblatt.

4. Team ERA is on the higher side in the Pac 12/Big 10(his best staff was his first year and not his players). I hesitate what it would be in this league. We've already seen live and in color what happens to bad pitching staffs in this league.


I can add some more if I need to. At the end of the day, I'll get behind him if he's the HC, but I don't see a guy that's a difference maker or is a program elevator. Oregon has been good in recent history. Not like he turned around a perennial loser and made them a regular in the Supers.
Transfers happen in every coaching change. Now with the Transfer Portal, it doesn?t take a coaching change for players to transfer.

Every coaching hire is a crap shoot. I do not know how much Oregon invests in baseball but it is probably is not anywhere near what State does

State?s name brand alone will get better players alone ( I do not think our name brand is high as most of our fans think but it is better than Oregon)

[StarkVegasSteve]

Transfers happen in every coaching change. Now with the Transfer Portal, it doesn?t take a coaching change for players to transfer.

Every coaching hire is a crap shoot. I do not know how much Oregon invests in baseball but it is probably is not anywhere near what State does

State?s name brand alone will get better players alone ( I do not think our name brand is high as most of our fans think but it is better than Oregon)

Oregon has one thing we don't have, Phillip Hampson Knight. They make one call to Uncle Phil and he'll take care of whatever they need. Oregon has good facilities honestly.

[confucius say]

would cost us around $9MM to fire and hire

After the 2024 season he had one year remaining, 2025. Did we extend him after the 2024 season and fully guarantee the entire contract?

[StarkVegasSteve]

After the 2024 season he had one year remaining, 2025. Did we extend him after the 2024 season and fully guarantee the entire contract?

I know we extended him. I don't know if we fully guaranteed it or not though.

[Coach34]

After the 2024 season he had one year remaining, 2025. Did we extend him after the 2024 season and fully guarantee the entire contract?

yeah we def extended him and should have. But pretty sure there is a buyout set on both sides

[confucius say]

I can't find any press release article where we extended him after 2024, but I'll take y'all's word for it.
I guess without knowing the buyout it's hard to say what it would cost though.

But I think he will win this year so that it will be a moot point.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I can't find any press release article where we extended him after 2024, but I'll take y'all's word for it.
I guess without knowing the buyout it's hard to say what it would cost though.

But I think he will win this year so that it will be a moot point.


We need him to win. With all the stuff about to come out of this House Settlement and around 20 million coming out of the budget to pay players, we need stability at the coaching positions in all sports, especially one of the big 4. You can't afford to sink 6-8 million into a sport that barely makes a profit some years to begin with. And between firing and hiring, that's about what it would cost.

[Coursesuper]

We need him to win. With all the stuff about to come out of this House Settlement and around 20 million coming out of the budget to pay players, we need stability at the coaching positions in all sports, especially one of the big 4. You can't afford to sink 6-8 million into a sport that barely makes a profit some years to begin with. And between firing and hiring, that's about what it would cost.

Exactly!!!!

[somebodyshotmypaw]

You people are crazy if you think we are about to fire, or should fire, Lemonis. Let’s play the season, then evaluate. That’s how you do it in every sport.