Men's Basketball @ Okie Heavy

[Tater]

Trap game window. Early. On the road. After a big win. Before a big showdown against a top 5 team we should have beaten.

Need this one. Dont overlook it. Hopefully the hotel theory keeps working.

[Tater]

Nwoko struggling early.

[Tater]

Bad Kugel game it looks like.

Can he learn like Murphy from last year to this year and shake off the rough start?

[LC Dawg]

We look like shit early and are lucky that OK has missed some open shots.

[Tater]

Can't wait to watch tic tac fouls called in the second half. Physical game and we're getting punked and have no urgency.

[EdwardDrayton]

When we endeavor to suck, we're really good at it.

[parabrave]

Guess our offensive plan today is to jack up 3s and hope they go in.

[msugolf]

We are flat. Guys standing around. No ball movement. Turnovers galore

[LC Dawg]

That is such a bullshit call on Cam.

[Tater]

Wow. Wow. Wow.

Did Cam **** the ref's mom? Jesus christ that's pathetic. I don't care what he said. There's not even time for him to say more than two words there.

[Tater]

Melendez just mental midget about corner 3s right now. TO should be on him not Murphy. Shoot through it son.

[Tater]

Defense starting to wake up.

[Tater]

It's weird. It's just bad officiating.

If Cam has contact that should be a foul (either way) it's not a foul. If anyone else does... it's getting called. I'm so confused at this.

Also Murphy letting Godwin score this much on us is embarrassing. Godwin is horrific.

[parabrave]

Dam will they try to work the ball into the paint/ Just like they did on that play./

[Tater]

Kugel got away with passing to himself lol.

[parabrave]

Kugel got away with passing to himself lol.

Murph also. And he got the foul/

[Tater]

Murph also. And he got the foul/

Yea this game is going full stupid right now.

[parabrave]

Now we are playing team BB.

[parabrave]

And Melendez shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the 3 point line

[Tater]

That's why you shoot the open corner 3 RJ. We can out rebound this team and it's still a good chance of an easy 2.

[Tater]

And Melendez shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the 3 point line

It's mental with him. He'll figure it out.

[parabrave]

Rather have him do that.

[LC Dawg]

Nice job by our guys playing strong defense until we could take the lead but then we relax and let them have a few easy possessions.

[HoopsDawg]

Nice job by our guys playing strong defense until we could take the lead but then we relax and let them have a few easy possessions.

I don't see how or why we could go under a screen on Fears. Geez.

[parabrave]

Well if we could defend that Fears kid it would be easier.

[msstate7]

Well if we could defend that Fears kid it would be easier.
He's great. Just don't let anyone else hurt us

[Tater]

Okie Heavy has the best player on the court.

Need to make adjustments to cause some Freshman mistakes from him or this is going to be a shitty saturday.

[msstate7]

I don't see how or why we could go under a screen on Fears. Geez.

We're a poor defensive team this year (by our standards). Fortunately for us, we're pretty good offensively. Just keep making FTs and rebound... we'll be fine

[Tater]

Well if we could defend that Fears kid it would be easier.

Well if we could defend {surefire NBA talent} it would be easier.

Edit: to be clear, he's a potential lottery pick and keeps playing his way up even on this dogshit OU team. They'd be worse than SCar w/o him.

[parabrave]

Dam someone guard that guy

[msstate7]

Such horse shit

[HoopsDawg]

Can't forget that Oklahoma was 13-0 in non conference.

[Tater]

Yep. Just need to survive today.

[msstate7]

Can't forget that Oklahoma was 13-0 in non conference.

They'd be around the top 4-5 of every other conference probably. The sec is the best at everything that matters now

[Tater]

Kugel has learned to channel bad O games into good D games at least.

[HoopsDawg]

I like Kugels energy today.

[msstate7]

They are destroying our defense

[HoopsDawg]

They are destroying our defense

Cam is sagging too much.

[msstate7]

I've tried to be hopeful, but I've had a terrible feeling about this one... we opened at -1.5 and it jumped to -4.5. We never win games when our line swings our favor like this. I almost hammered Oklahoma

[MoreCowbell]

Someone please explain to me how we can be so bad defending the 3 considering how much length and athleticism we have on the perimeter. Besides Hubbard, RJ-Kugel-Cam-Jones-Harris-Murphy is exactly what you would want I would think.

Cannot believe how far we have fallen defensively this year especially when that has been a Jans staple

[Tater]

They are destroying our defense

Yep. 21 points in 6 minutes.

Run Murphy, Kugel, Harris, Melendez, Hubbard for a few minutes and stop trying to bait passes. Fears is too good at firing them through anyways.

[Tater]

Someone please explain to me how we can be so bad defending the 3 considering how much length and athleticism we have on the perimeter. Besides Hubbard, RJ-Kugel-Cam-Jones-Harris-Murphy is exactly what you would want I would think.

Cannot believe how far we have fallen defensively this year especially when that has been a Jans staple

Gotta remember while we have "fallen" part of it is that our offense is much higher tempo and our opponents have taken a massive leap. Our defense overall has relatively only taken a minor dip in advanced stats accounting for these things.

[chef dixon]

Once Fears banked in that bullshit to start the half you knew it was going to be a struggle

[LC Dawg]

Need someone besides Hubbard to step up this half. Maybe Harris will get hot.

[msstate7]

Someone please explain to me how we can be so bad defending the 3 considering how much length and athleticism we have on the perimeter. Besides Hubbard, RJ-Kugel-Cam-Jones-Harris-Murphy is exactly what you would want I would think.

Cannot believe how far we have fallen defensively this year especially when that has been a Jans staple

It's not just at 3. They're getting layups anytime they want em.

[parabrave]

Welll thats one way to get him out of the game.

[msstate7]

Fears, you know you should probably sit it out for the draft.

[HoopsDawg]

Take away Hubbard, we are 1-11 from 3 and that 1 was Cam. Somebody else has to make a shot.

[PGHBulldogBG]

This has just been a really poor defensive half. Reminds me of Mizzou and 2nd half of Florida game.

[msstate7]

Our opponents are so skilled at acting dead long enough to sell a flagrant.

[parabrave]

Wow can't believe they didn't screw Cam/

[msstate7]

Surely they won't play this well offensively the whole game. If they could, they wouldn't be 3-10. Surely

[Tater]

Surely they won't play this well offensively the whole game. If they could, they wouldn't be 3-10. Surely

34 points in 20 minutes
28 points in 8 minutes (7:18)

[msstate7]

Josh, that's unacceotable

[Tater]

In a game that's definitely trending to come down to one possession we can't give em away.

[Tater]

Good response to stop make stop make after the hubbard ****up

[HoopsDawg]

Take away Hubbard, we are 1-11 from 3 and that 1 was Cam. Somebody else has to make a shot.

1-13 from 3. Non Hubbard.

[parabrave]

Sheez can we defend????

[msstate7]

Who the f just watched that long rebound go to a shooter? Pull him and don't play him again today. F that!!!

[msstate7]

Who the f just watched that long rebound go to a shooter? Pull him and don't play him again today. F that!!!

^^^ seriously Jans! That's the shot that gets us beat. Send a damn message

[msugolf]

Lazy ass basketball today. That?s why we?ll be a 8-9 seed and play one and done in the tourney

[msstate7]

What's the +- with nwoko? I feel like they outscored the hell ot us with him out there

[HoopsDawg]

What's the +- with nwoko? I feel like they outscored the hell ot us with him out there

Kugel with the best. Cam with the worst.

[RezDog7]

Lazy ass basketball today. That?s why we?ll be a 8-9 seed and play one and done in the tourney

That's what I called a month ago. Pretty pathetic team tbh.

[Tater]

Well I praised us and then we went to absolute shit. Just hold the L today guys. 1-1 this week again. Hopefully we're saving the 2-0 weeks for march

[msstate7]

Kugel with the best. Cam with the worst.

Cam has gone from one of the best players in the sec to crap

[HoopsDawg]

What's the +- with nwoko? I feel like they outscored the hell ot us with him out there

-3

[msstate7]

-3

So sit cam and nwoko

[parabrave]

What's the +- with nwoko? I feel like they outscored the hell ot us with him out there

Thats why Jans took him out/

[Quaoarsking]

I'm cringing at the multiple teeth on the court...

[Tater]

gives the dentist name a new meaning

[parabrave]

At least we got Moore out of there.

[msstate7]

How do you let Rudy get a shot off

[msstate7]

Cam and nwoko - game over

[civildawg]

Another one and done tournament team for state. Embarrassing effort and play today

[msstate7]

What a 50 Iq pass

[msstate7]

That white boy that probably should be at East central comm college is killing

[msstate7]

What a 50 Iq pass

Nwoko had 3 guys around him, and Josh threw that pass. Hubbard also stood there for 5 seconds earlier instead of just throwing it in. Our star had to be better

[msstate7]

I've tried to be hopeful, but I've had a terrible feeling about this one... we opened at -1.5 and it jumped to -4.5. We never win games when our line swings our favor like this. I almost hammered Oklahoma

Little advice for the board (and me) - anytime time, any sport where a line move 3 points in our direction, you hammer the ever living hell out of our opponent. We have never, and never will win (much less cover) a game like that. We are and always will be choke artists

[msstate7]

Little advice for the board (and me) - anytime time, any sport where a line move 3 points in our direction, you hammer the ever living hell out of our opponent. We have never, and never will win (much less cover) a game like that. We are and always will be choke artists

Some more advice - the OM line moved 3 pts in vandy's favor. Hammer OM bc they don't choke like us in games like that

[msstate7]

Cam, maybe we need a 3 more yhan you trying to get fouled

[msstate7]

Damn, we're a dumb team. Why do that

[MoreCowbell]

Gotta remember while we have "fallen" part of it is that our offense is much higher tempo and our opponents have taken a massive leap. Our defense overall has relatively only taken a minor dip in advanced stats accounting for these things.

Dude you can advance stat me all you want but the fact remains teams get good looks on us, compared to rest of conference, from 3 and they make them at a high rate and it costs us games. We are really bad at defending the 3 and when we face a mid major 1st round who can shoot it our asses will be bounced real 17n quick.

[msstate7]

Dude you can advance stat me all you want but the fact remains teams get good looks on us, compared to rest of conference, from 3 and they make them at a high rate and it costs us games. We are really bad at defending the 3 and when we face a mid major 1st round who can shoot it our asses will be bounced real 17n quick.

I'm as pissed as anyone, but we are .500 in the best conference in the country. We're pretty damn good

ETA... best conference college basketball has ever seen

[Tater]

stop make stop make

[msstate7]

Josh, shoot, don't pass. F

[Tater]

hilarious.

[EdwardDrayton]

This 'team' just does not have what it takes and thus we will continue to be disappointed/frustrated. Will be carrying zero expectations forward for the season remainder. Should make for calm disinterested game viewings here on out.

Now for some baseball to erase this distaste from the early afternoon.

[msstate7]

Harris should sit till 5 mins left in the game.

[msstate7]

This 'team' just does not have what it takes and thus we will continue to be disappointed/frustrated. Will be carrying zero expectations forward for the season remainder. Should make for calm disinterested game viewings here on out.

Now for some baseball to erase this distaste from the early afternoon.

Exactly what are your expectations in basketball? I'm pissed too, but I think this team is capable of winning a game or 2 in the tourney. That's all I really think they can do. We have a good, not great team. They're top 30 nationally in every metric, which is great, but hardly a power house. I just want 1 win in the tourney.

[parabrave]

Well come out flat play with your heads in the clouds this is what you get.

[msstate7]

Well come out flat play with your heads in the clouds this is what you get.

Probably, but they were playing for their lives. We aren't better than aTm, but beat em. This conf is a meat grinder

[EdwardDrayton]

Exactly what are your expectations in basketball? I'm pissed too, but I think this team is capable of winning a game or 2 in the tourney. That's all I really think they can do. We have a good, not great team. They're top 30 nationally in every metric, which is great, but hardly a power house. I just want 1 win in the tourney.

Who the hell knows what will happen?!!? Most schizo team we've ever seen. And 'team' is a real stretch; these guys do not know how to play together half the time.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It is a tough loss because it is a game we should have won but honestly, it is not the worst thing in the world because it might drop us down to a six seed, and I would much rather be a six than a five

[chef dixon]

Y'all do realize this is not specific to us? This is the game of college basketball. If you're invested at all, it is a stressful watch

[KOdawg1]

Extremely frustrating loss. You can point to the missed shots and turnovers, but we lost this game because our 2nd half defense was essentially oxygen. 59 points in the 2H and 64 if you count the last minute of the 1H with it. That's unacceptable.

Does this loss hurt us? Ultimately no, but we'll be 7-8 after Tuesday.

[Political Hack]

We (1) don't defend the 3 very well and (2) give up too many easy buckets on pick and roll and lazy ass entry passes.

If we don't fix those we won't get out of the first weekend of the tourney.

[Political Hack]

It is a tough loss because it is a game we should have won but honestly, it is not the worst thing in the world because it might drop us down to a six seed, and I would much rather be a six than a five

True

[msstate7]

Y'all do realize this is not specific to us? This is the game of college basketball. If you're invested at all, it is a stressful watch

^^^

[Saltydog]

When are some of you guys gonna learn to never get emotionally invested in our basketball team?

Typical State, can't stand prosperity. BTW, I thought Jans was a defensive guru.

[CaptainObvious]

Y'all do understand that State's tourney 1st round matchup is going to probably be the best 3 point shooting team in the country, right? Whoever the NC-2A decides to match us with will have 2 guys shooting at least 48% from 3 for the season and 1 guy who shoots 25% and all 3 will make 5 -3's each! Write it down! IT'S COMING!!

[KOdawg1]

When are some of you guys gonna learn to never get emotionally invested in our basketball team?

Typical State, can't stand prosperity. BTW, I thought Jans was a defensive guru.

Still likely a 6 seed in the tournament. Going to our 3rd NCAA tournament in a row. First time since the mid 2000s.

So yeah, it's perfectly fine to get emotionally invested in the basketball team.

[msstate7]

When are some of you guys gonna learn to never get emotionally invested in our basketball team?

Typical State, can't stand prosperity. BTW, I thought Jans was a defensive guru.

Well, I thought he sucked offensively too though, and we hardly suck offensively

[msstate7]

Still likely a 6 seed in the tournament. Going to our 3rd NCAA tournament in a row. First time since the mid 2000s.

So yeah, it's perfectly fine to get emotionally invested in the basketball team.

^^^ this. F'n this

[MoreCowbell]

I'm as pissed as anyone, but we are .500 in the best conference in the country. We're pretty damn good

ETA... best conference college basketball has ever seen

Never said we were not good. But defense, perimeter defense specifically, is going to keep us from doing anything. We have the length and athleticism so scratching my head on how we can be dead last in conference defending the 3 with a defensive coach.

Would be one thing if we were a juggernaut on offense.

I just want to know WHY we are so bad at it? Like how?

[msstate7]

Never said we were not good. But defense, perimeter defense specifically, is going to keep us from doing anything. We have the length and athleticism so scratching my head on how we can be dead last in conference defending the 3 with a defensive coach.

Would be one thing if we were a juggernaut on offense.

I just want to know WHY we are so bad at it? Like how?

#25 in offense in kenpom ratings. We're pretty good offensively.

[Saltydog]

He's yet to put them together in the same year.........Our perimeter D is shit.........

[KOdawg1]

^^^ this. F'n this

Some of our fans secretly hope basketball loses so baseball gets all the spotlight.

It's really weird.

[msstate7]

Some of our fans secretly hope basketball loses so baseball gets all the spotlight.

It's really weird.

Really strange indeed

[BeardoMSU]

Still likely a 6 seed in the tournament. Going to our 3rd NCAA tournament in a row. First time since the mid 2000s.

So yeah, it's perfectly fine to get emotionally invested in the basketball team.

Yes

[Coach34]

BTW, I thought Jans was a defensive guru.

Jan is still a damn good defensive coach. But his players are all he has. Their limits are what they are

[SPMT]

Jan is still a damn good defensive coach. But his players are all he has. Their limits are what they are

Right?!

Why is it so hard for some to realize.

Jan?s is the best coach we?ve had since Richard head. And he?s better. Richard never had this strong of a league.

[MoreCowbell]

Exactly what are your expectations in basketball? I'm pissed too, but I think this team is capable of winning a game or 2 in the tourney. That's all I really think they can do. We have a good, not great team. They're top 30 nationally in every metric, which is great, but hardly a power house. I just want 1 win in the tourney.

This team is so frustrating because this roster and this coach are better than that and we have seen it. I was really high on this team all year and know what we are capable of. We just cannot sustain a damn thing.

Last team to frustrate me this much was 2016 Diamond Dawgs, Arizona elimination game

[MoreCowbell]

#25 in offense in kenpom ratings. We're pretty good offensively.

That point was not the gist of my argument but at least that is positive.

[MoreCowbell]

Exactly what are your expectations in basketball? I'm pissed too, but I think this team is capable of winning a game or 2 in the tourney. That's all I really think they can do. We have a good, not great team. They're top 30 nationally in every metric, which is great, but hardly a power house. I just want 1 win in the tourney.

November 4th-January 10th dawgs were a S16 minimum, E8 team.

Dawgs now are a solid tourney team that will win 1 game only if good matchup. Would rather be a 6 seed than a 5. A 12 seed mid major can usually shoot lights out and we would lose. 6 plays an 11 that is likely a big conference bubble team who has major flaws.

[DEDawg]

November 4th-January 10th dawgs were a S16 minimum, E8 team.

Dawgs now are a solid tourney team that will win 1 game only if good matchup. Would rather be a 6 seed than a 5. A 12 seed mid major can usually shoot lights out and we would lose. 6 plays an 11 that is likely a big conference bubble team who has major flaws.

We are the same we were Nov 4 to Jan 10. Beat all the teams we were supposed to. In SEC play we are about .500 where basically everyone we play is a tourney team. We are still anywhere from getting hot and lucky E8 to coming out flat against a hot team and being a first round out.

[R2Dawg]

Few thoughts.

OK is better than media and some give credit. Some media idiots were saying we should win by 20 and that winning OK was more important than TAMU.

You can't trust this team. Got a whole year of proof. I knew we would lose. 2 big wins in a row, we don't have 3 in us. We get cocky, lazy, no focus, etc. Just who we are.

We are still a good team and on any night we can beat anyone but yeah can lose too.

Jan as coach has to get the team more ready to play games like this. We held TAMU to 54 and give up 92 to OK?

[parabrave]

Few thoughts.

OK is better than media and some give credit. Some media idiots were saying we should win by 20 and that winning OK was more important than TAMU.

You can't trust this team. Got a whole year of proof. I knew we would lose. 2 big wins in a row, we don't have 3 in us. We get cocky, lazy, no focus, etc. Just who we are.

We are still a good team and on any night we can beat anyone but yeah can lose too.

Jan as coach has to get the team more ready to play games like this. We held TAMU to 54 and give up 92 to OK?

Who is the Alpha male on this Team??? Every team needs a leader and I don't think this tam has one.

[LC Dawg]

Yesterday OU, Vandy, and Arky beat ranked teams at home. They were all fighting for their tourney lives. This is going to happen in a 12 bid league.
We are a mid pack team in the best (maybe ever) conference. We have some nice OOC wins. We have one bad loss (not yesterday).
I'm excited to see how this all translates to how we fare in the tourney after a pretty grueling schedule.

[msstate7]

Yesterday OU, Vandy, and Arky beat ranked teams at home. They were all fighting for their tourney lives. This is going to happen in a 12 bid league.
We are a mid pack team in the best (maybe ever) conference. We have some nice OOC wins. We have one bad loss (not yesterday).
I'm excited to see how this all translates to how we fare in the tourney after a pretty grueling schedule.
I'm worried about sec teams bc the refs let us maul each other. If refs don't let us play, it'll be an adjustment

[Tater]

I'm worried about sec teams bc the refs let us maul each other. If refs don't let us play, it'll be an adjustment

SEC refs prepare us for both. One half is mauling. One half is tic tac. Almost every game after the mauling gets too ridiculous.