Hubert Davis (UNC)

[msstate7]

North Carolina stinks. They're gonna be 14-11 after Clemson finishes this whipping on the tar heels. North Carolina was sweet 16 last season, but missed the NCAAT 2 seasons ago, and they most likely will this season. Will Davis survive? If not, any chance they can pull oats, pearl, or golden? I would love to see some of these elite coaches leave the sec

[StarkVegasSteve]

North Carolina stinks. They're gonna be 14-11 after Clemson finishes this whipping on the tar heels. North Carolina was sweet 16 last season, but missed the NCAAT 2 seasons ago, and they most likely will this season. Will Davis survive? If not, any chance they can pull oats, pearl, or golden? I would love to see some of these elite coaches leave the sec

My guess, they end up with Billy Donovan. He wants out of Chicago and UNC would be a hell of a landing spot. Wes Miller would have been the obvious hire, due to Carolina ties, but their season has gone off the rails completely

[parabrave]

My guess, they end up with Billy Donovan. He wants out of Chicago and UNC would be a hell of a landing spot. Wes Miller would have been the obvious hire, due to Carolina ties, but their season has gone off the rails completely

How is Hurley doing?

[Tater]

They won't have the money to pull an SEC coach.

Going from State / Vandy / SCar is a lateral move at best to UNC if you project the next 5 years of college basketball. ACC is being rapidly left behind and FSU / Clemson / UNC / Dook should jump ship.

[Santiago]

They won't have the money to pull an SEC coach.

Going from State / Vandy / SCar is a lateral move at best to UNC if you project the next 5 years of college basketball. ACC is being rapidly left behind and FSU / Clemson / UNC / Dook should jump ship.

I don't know. My experience of time in NC is their basketball means more than any other sport. And all you have to do is NIL sponsor a hand full of players v. a football team.
That program is not going anywhere.
I wanted Davis to have success there though. Great story for a NC native, alumn, etc, plus seemingly a very likeable guy.

[Pancho]

he's done if he can't recruit better

[viverlibre]

I hope they hire Beard, I'm as scared of him as I am of Kiffin. Whoever made the decision on those two hires knocked it out of the park.

[msstate7]

I hope they hire Beard, I'm as scared of him as I am of Kiffin. Whoever made the decision on those two hires knocked it out of the park.

They'll just get will wade

[MoreCowbell]

They won't have the money to pull an SEC coach.

Going from State / Vandy / SCar is a lateral move at best to UNC if you project the next 5 years of college basketball. ACC is being rapidly left behind and FSU / Clemson / UNC / Dook should jump ship.

Did you really just say UNC was a lateral move from us, Vandy and Scar? Are you retarded?

For basketball, UNC would double what we would for a coach plus it is a historic and prestigious top 5 job. I almost cannot believe you really said that. Holy shit

[Tater]

Did you really just say UNC was a lateral move from us, Vandy and Scar? Are you retarded?

For basketball, UNC would double what we would for a coach plus it is a historic and prestigious top 5 job. I almost cannot believe you really said that. Holy shit

Hubert Davis gets 400k base + 1.6 mill extra comp. Chris Jan's gets 4.2 mil base. We literally pay double what they do, not the other way around.

The SEC's money arms race is going nuts and if you actually read what I said, I said if you project the next 5 years it is a lateral move. UNC is being left behind in $ rapidly.

My comment wasn't State fan delusion. My comment was made by realistically looking at the collegiate landscape. Maybe next time do a bare minimum amount of due diligence before calling someone else retarded. Saying they'd double us up when we literally do already double them actually is about as uninformed with reality as you can get.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hubert Davis gets 400k base + 1.6 mill extra comp. Chris Jan's gets 4.2 mil base. We literally pay double what they do, not the other way around.

The SEC's money arms race is going nuts and if you actually read what I said, I said if you project the next 5 years it is a lateral move. UNC is being left behind in $ rapidly.

My comment wasn't State fan delusion. My comment was made by realistically looking at the collegiate landscape. Maybe next time do a bare minimum amount of due diligence before calling someone else retarded. Saying they'd double us up when we literally do already double them actually is about as uninformed with reality as you can get.

But it's North Carolina. It's still a top 5 job. UNC is still, and will always be, the bluest of blue bloods in college basketball. If they wanted to pay Hubert Davis 10 mil they would. They have gotten extremely lucky for the last 3 decades that they have had coaches who would crawl on broken glass to coach in Chapel Hill. They have never had to overpay. Just like Duke.

Another example, I mean Gonzaga has been in the WCC and been a power for almost 3 decades. They don't have the prestige of the SEC, or even a power conference, and any coach in America would take the Gonzaga job over South Carolina, Vandy, State, Ole Miss, etc.

[Tater]

But it's North Carolina. It's still a top 5 job. UNC is still, and will always be, the bluest of blue bloods in college basketball. If they wanted to pay Hubert Davis 10 mil they would. They have gotten extremely lucky for the last 3 decades that they have had coaches who would crawl on broken glass to coach in Chapel Hill. They have never had to overpay. Just like Duke.

Another example, I mean Gonzaga has been in the WCC and been a power for almost 3 decades. They don't have the prestige of the SEC, or even a power conference, and any coach in America would take the Gonzaga job over South Carolina, Vandy, State, Ole Miss, etc.

Looking at the next 5 years. If UNC doesn't get out of the ACC, it won't be a top 25 job, let alone a top 5 job. The money is accelerating at an insane rate in college sports. And the SEC / B10 are leaps and bounds ahead.

It wasn't dumb luck the entire league is great this year. It's money. You can really see the difference in the MWC basically absorbing all the non P5 bids.

Soon if you don't have an SEC/B1G job, then you're second rate. The B12 is doing its best to keep up and if they get Duke, UNC, UConn, and Gonzaga for basketball then I believe they will. The ACC is floundering badly and is clearly 4th, maybe 5th compared to the Big East in basketball.

Times they are a changing.

[StateDawg44]

Looking at the next 5 years. If UNC doesn't get out of the ACC, it won't be a top 25 job, let alone a top 5 job. The money is accelerating at an insane rate in college sports. And the SEC / B10 are leaps and bounds ahead.

It wasn't dumb luck the entire league is great this year. It's money. You can really see the difference in the MWC basically absorbing all the non P5 bids.

Soon if you don't have an SEC/B1G job, then you're second rate. The B12 is doing its best to keep up and if they get Duke, UNC, UConn, and Gonzaga for basketball then I believe they will. The ACC is floundering badly and is clearly 4th, maybe 5th compared to the Big East in basketball.

Times they are a changing.


So you get to just make up the future with your bold take?

What if UNC gets out of the ACC and into the Big 10? Any conference would likely take UNC simply because of the basketball program alone. What are you even talking about?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looking at the next 5 years. If UNC doesn't get out of the ACC, it won't be a top 25 job, let alone a top 5 job. The money is accelerating at an insane rate in college sports. And the SEC / B10 are leaps and bounds ahead.

It wasn't dumb luck the entire league is great this year. It's money. You can really see the difference in the MWC basically absorbing all the non P5 bids.

Soon if you don't have an SEC/B1G job, then you're second rate. The B12 is doing its best to keep up and if they get Duke, UNC, UConn, and Gonzaga for basketball then I believe they will. The ACC is floundering badly and is clearly 4th, maybe 5th compared to the Big East in basketball.

Times they are a changing.

And how do we know the SEC will not flame out in the tournament. Everyone thought the SEC was really good last year, tied for the most bids, and the tournament record was 8-8 and 7 of the wins were by Tennessee and Bama. Only 3 SEC teams made it out of the first round.

[Tater]

So you get to just make up the future with your bold take?

What if UNC gets out of the ACC and into the Big 10? Any conference would likely take UNC simply because of the basketball program alone. What are you even talking about?

You're talking about a hypothetical. I'm talking about the reality. Yes both the SEC and B1G would take UNC. Getting NC is huge for both's footprint and a value add.

But they aren't in there yet. If you get guaranteed access back into the power 2 as a coach, UNC is a better job. If you don't - it's not.

[Tater]

And how do we know the SEC will not flame out in the tournament. Everyone thought the SEC was really good last year, tied for the most bids, and the tournament record was 8-8 and 7 of the wins were by Tennessee and Bama. Only 3 SEC teams made it out of the first round.

The tournament is prone to flukes being single elimination. It's the beauty of it. Non-con is where the proof is found. The SEC unequivocally dominated and its teams are destroying metrics left and right.

This year by being in the SEC almost every team had a guarantee to make the top 68 (read as top 40 really) if they took care of non-conference. We're looking at 6-12 and worse teams being seriously considered for the tourney.

[StateDawg44]

You're talking about a hypothetical. I'm talking about the reality. Yes both the SEC and B1G would take UNC. Getting NC is huge for both's footprint and a value add.

But they aren't in there yet. If you get guaranteed access back into the power 2 as a coach, UNC is a better job. If you don't - it's not.

Is this a troll? You are literally using a very vague blanket statement of "Looking at the next 5 years......." to back up your point and claiming it as fact.

Your hypothetical situation is just as hypothetical as mine. That's was my point.

You aren't speaking in reality at all about UNC being a lateral move to MSU. Much less about 5 years from now.

[Tater]

Is this a troll? You are literally using a very vague blanket statement of "Looking at the next 5 years......." to back up your point and claiming it as fact.

Your hypothetical situation is just as hypothetical as mine. That's was my point.

You aren't speaking in reality at all about UNC being a lateral move to MSU. Much less about 5 years from now.

UNC couldn't get out the GoR for the ACC which goes to like 2036... your hypothetical includes a massive shift. My hypothetical is just nothing major changes. But the crux of the argument I have is the same on both your side and my side.

The team in the SEC is the better job. UNC in SEC > SCar/Vandy in SEC > UNC in ACC.