Mizzou game thread

[msstate7]

Sigh

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good to see them picking up right where Bama left off.

[LC Dawg]

Sloppy as hell. Maybe Hubbard can get going like the Bama game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looks like its going to be yet another bad game from Kugel.

[LC Dawg]

May as well keep Kugel on the bench the rest of the game.

[msstate7]

Man, this week has be re-thinking how good our transfer class was kugel and Harris aren't doing anything productive

[R2Dawg]

We are lazy now on D and O. Worst we've been since season started.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Man, this week has be re-thinking how good our transfer class was kugel and Harris aren't doing anything productive

Harris is slowly becoming Shak Moore 2.0. Will not shoot but pretty good defense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shawn Jones might be our second best defensive player at the moment.

[R2Dawg]

Man, this week has be re-thinking how good our transfer claspls was kugel and Harris aren't doing anything productive

I think Harris has been solid. He plays D, rebounds, hits the 3, always plays hard. Can't say thet about too many more players. Kugel is a head case.

[msstate7]

Jans, this week you need to figure out 3-pt defense bc this is on you at this point

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hubbard is going to need 40 again to win.

[R2Dawg]

Shawn Jones might be our second best defensive player at the moment.

He and Harris play some D.

[R2Dawg]

We are not playing with a sense of urgency at home. Mizzou is and we need win way worse than they do. We are playing our way out of the NCAAT.

[civildawg]

This team is completely different, in a bad way, than the first 15 games of the season.

[smootness]

Jans, this week you need to figure out 3-pt defense bc this is on you at this point

The people who think those down on the team right now are overreacting just have not been watching games. We are not the same team. Giving up offensive rebounds and open 3?s is our MO. And we are getting very lazy on offense. Hubbard is totally back, but the rest of the team has suddenly fallen back to needing him to carry us.

[civildawg]

We are incapable on guarding the 3 point line. wtf are you doing in practice Jans?

[msstate7]

Kugel is trash. Sit him

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hubbard is going to need 40 again to win.

Check that, 50.

[LC Dawg]

If Kugel doesn't give us anything on this rotation you have to sit him for the remainder.
And I'm not sure we can win without getting anything from him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh look, Matthews dunked it. Good to see he can still do that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Kugel doesn't give us anything on this rotation you have to sit him for the remainder.
And I'm not sure we can win without getting anything from him.

Yep. Crap defense and no offense. He is our most NBA type player and is playing like our least.

[R2Dawg]

We gonna find out what Jans is made of the rest of the year if there were any doubts. He has partially lost this team.

[Cloak]

He has partially lost this team.

Lol, what?

[Dawgology]

This team always gets beat twice in a row. Mentally weak. But that is actually most State teams.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We gonna find out what Jans is made of the rest of the year if there were any doubts. He has partially lost this team.

I would not go that far. We are just running up against really good 3 pt shooting teams and it is exposing our lack of 3 pt defense

[R2Dawg]

I would not go that far. We are just running up against really good 3 pt shooting teams and it is exposing our lack of 3 pt defense

Don't rebound, turning it over, can't guard the 3 and can't score now. Who can we beat on our schedule with all these things?

[msstate7]

We are dumb AF. We fall for the same shit over and over

[StarkVegasSteve]

50% from 3 and 52% from the field

[smootness]

Our 3 point defense is atrocious and we allow far too many offensive rebounds. If those do not get corrected, this team will not win many games from here on out. Those are massive flaws.

[civildawg]

50% from 3 and 52% from the field

Well when you play awful defense, people will score. Our defense is absolutely awful

[Saltydog]

Giving up 3's is one thing. Giving up wide ass open 3's is another. We're doing the latter of the two. Jans is a defensive guru though.

[msstate7]

Turn out the lights, this season is going nowhere

[StarkVegasSteve]

He just shot it from 17 half court. Maybe it is something about our building. Like it is crazy that teams shoot this well.

[LC Dawg]

Giving up offensive rebounds is worse to me than all their 3s. That's a sign of getting outworked.

[MoreCowbell]

We will not win a tourney game because of perimeter defense. If you can shoot the 3 you will beat us

[civildawg]

Agreed. One and done in the tournament again

[msu15]

He just shot it from 17 half court. Maybe it is something about our building. Like it is crazy that teams shoot this well.

It's a good recipe when over half of your shots are wide open.

[BeardoMSU]

Not great, Bob

[smootness]

He just shot it from 17 half court. Maybe it is something about our building. Like it is crazy that teams shoot this well.

Shooting is a lot about confidence and rhythm. When you allow open shots, guys gain confidence and get into rhythm. It increases their chances of hitting crazy shots.

[msu15]

Just a horrendous defensive coaching job by "The Dentist". 8 seed here we come.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agreed. One and done in the tournament again

We may not make the tournament at this rate.

[R2Dawg]

Embarrassing.

I'd put someone in to foul 31 hard; not dirty or to hurt him but need to send a message.

We can't even rebound with position on offensive guy. We have no energy, no give a crap, or anything.

[Dawgology]

Another season and another program ****ed in MSU style

[smootness]

A lot of this is on coaching. This is our most talented team under Jans but easily our worst coached. It is baffling that we cannot find answers for these glaring issues and that we are getting worse at such a rapid pace.

[R2Dawg]

Just a horrendous defensive coaching job by "The Dentist". 8 seed here we come.

Unless Jans regains the team (he has lost it), we not making the tourney. Ain't got to worry about anyone getting Jans. His best team and we are on path to miss the tourney.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Embarrassing.

I'd put someone in to foul 31 hard; not dirty or to hurt him but need to send a message.

We can't even rebound with position on offensive guy. We have no energy, no give a crap, or anything.

We did exactly what I said we were going to do, let Alabam beat us twice.

[R2Dawg]

A lot of this is on coaching. This is our most talented team under Jans but easily our worst coached. It is baffling that we cannot find answers for these glaring issues and that we are getting worse at such a rapid pace.

We have completely collapsed as a team. Other teams are all getting better, are we the only SEC team tanking?

[StarkVegasSteve]

We have completely collapsed as a team. Other teams are all getting better, are we the only SEC team tanking?

Well there are other teams tanking, they just do it on the road and not at home.

[civildawg]

At least I don't have to worry about going to anymore games this year. I don't want to hear about any contract renewal/raise for Jans after this season unless we turn this around. He's done a pitiful job coaching this team

[msstate7]

I like Jans... I really do, but his 3-pt defense is a major issue with how the game is played now. I would welcome someone stealing him if we could get will wade. This defense doesn't work against great shooters, and the sec is loaded with them

[EdwardDrayton]

Halftime Jans message to players: "You'll be getting no 17ing paychecks this week boys!!"

[smootness]

We did exactly what I said we were going to do, let Alabam beat us twice.

These issues have been ongoing since before Bama. This is not a mental loss, this is entirely predictable based on our huge weaknesses.

[smootness]

I like Jans... I really do, but his 3-pt defense is a major issue with how the game is played now. I would welcome someone stealing him if we could get will wade. This defense doesn't work against great shooters, and the sec is loaded with them

We have no position discipline on defense, which is why they get open shots and offensive rebounds. Our guys are just flying around constantly chasing.

[msstate7]

At least I don't have to worry about going to anymore games this year. I don't want to hear about any contract renewal/raise for Jans after this season unless we turn this around. He's done a pitiful job coaching this team

Exactly. This team has gotten full support the last 3 home games, and their defense has been at the same level we played in football.

[AROB44]

Gloom....Despair....Agony on us. Some posters on here are really pitiful.

[msstate7]

Gloom....Despair....Agony on us. Some posters on here are really pitiful.

Yeah, we look great

[R2Dawg]

Well there are other teams tanking, they just do it on the road and not at home.

Who? We tanking at home and away. I don't count LSU, USC they were never good but have improved still.

[NCMSTFAN]

I can't defend it anymore, we are definitely regressing. I dont know what has happened but something isn't the same.

[cheewgumm]

Put NWOKO in a one man zone, and run everyone off the 3 pt line.

[R2Dawg]

Gloom....Despair....Agony on us. Some posters on here are really pitiful.

You either haven't been watching us play lately or all year OR you know nothing about basketball.

[msstate7]

Our pt differential the last 6.5 games is -47.

[EdwardDrayton]

Gloom....Despair....Agony on us. Some posters on here are really pitiful.

Good job. You've earned your university check this week.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who? We tanking at home and away. I don't count LSU, USC they were never good but have improved still.

Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia

I mean hell, Kentucky is only 4-3. Not exactly lighting the word on fire.

[R2Dawg]

I can't defend it anymore, we are definitely regressing. I dont know what has happened but something isn't the same.

Its been going on a while but less obvious because we've had different players step up to cover some of it. Now the entire team has almost folded. I can only guess some reasons why but Idk.

Losing one game or having a bad game happens to everyone. I can't remember the last really good game we played. Maybe OM but that game wasn't great in big stretches. USC at home I guess.

[cheewgumm]

Gloom....Despair....Agony on us. Some posters on here are really pitiful.


Ha, dont' worry, if we win. they'll be "glad i was wrong".

It's glorioius.

[R2Dawg]

Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia

Ark was just preseason Cal hype - they have never been good.

OK was over hyped with weak preconf. sch

TX never been good but they are improved a lot.

UGA - maybe so but they also had no expectations.

[msstate7]

Wide open

[LC Dawg]

In our last three halfs Kugel has given us 2 points and 7 turnovers.

[msstate7]

In our last three halfs Kugel has given us 2 points and 7 turnovers.

I really think the dude may be taking dives

[StarkVegasSteve]

They legit hit everything.

[msstate7]

Now those 3s are just horseshit that teams hit those long 3s at a 50% rate vs us

[StarkVegasSteve]

And we cannot hit anything

[parabrave]

Dam muroh just let him drive right by you.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This reminds me of the 2012 season where we played Kentucky and lost and then lost to UGA and our season fell apart.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We clearly have some issues since the Vandy game, but I?m not sure why some of our fans think this team was filled with great talent. We were picked 10th in the SEC preseason and we lost some key contributors. I think our fans got a false sense of hope because we had a good non conference record, but let?s not forget we didn?t play any ranked teams outside of Memphis in the non conference and we lost to Butler. Memphis was our best game all year and Pitt, but Pitt might not make the tournament. I do agree though today is a disappointment and we should be better with guarding the 3 and rebounding

[R2Dawg]

Our chance to make the NCAAT now is dropping like a rock every passing game.

[msstate7]

When we extend our perimeter defense, teams just go right by us for a layup. We just can't defend. The portal ranking was right... we don't have the athletes

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just get Kugel out.

[R2Dawg]

We clearly have some issues since the Vandy game, but I?m not sure why some of our fans think this team was filled with great talent. We were picked 10th in the SEC preseason and we lost some key contributors. I think our fans got a false sense of hope because we had a good non conference record, but let?s not forget we didn?t play any ranked teams outside of Memphis in the non conference and we lost to Butler. Memphis was our best game all year and Pitt, but Pitt might not make the tournament. I do agree though today is a disappointment and we should be better with guarding the 3 and rebounding

We've shown we beat OM, Memphis, and just as good as UK and Bama at home. We have talent and when playing well as good as anyone.

We have not played hard since OM game. Just playing lazy since then. No urgency.

[Dawgology]

Bunch. Of. Pussies.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Our chance to make the NCAAT now is dropping like a rock every passing game.

I told people on Wednesday that I thought there was a chance we would lose the next 6 and people told me I was insane and needed to back off the ledge.

[EdwardDrayton]

They are beating us in almost every facet of the game. Very disappointing at home.

[parabrave]

Well at least we can rake comfort in om getting smoked by aubbie.

[msstate7]

Jans, pull the entire team and go with the deep bench. You have to send a message to this bunch

[StarkVegasSteve]

Done. I MIGHT tune in Wednesday, but I doubt it.

[civildawg]

Ole miss is currently leading

[CaptainObvious]

Do not despair State fans. I hear Manhattan sucks at Baseball! So some wins by our most successful program in history are coming!

[LC Dawg]

They are beating us in almost every facet of the game. Very disappointing at home.

Which facet are we leading in?***

[State82]

Well at least we can rake comfort in om getting smoked by aubbie.
I can take comfort in 13 days at DNF.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do not despair State fans. I hear Manhattan sucks at Baseball! So some wins by our most successful program in history are coming!

Stuff like today just fires up the god awful baseball only cult of our “fanbase”. That makes it worse.

[CaptainObvious]

Stuff like today just fires up the god awful baseball only cult of our “fanbase”. That makes it worse.

Facts IS Facts!

[LC Dawg]

Stuff like today just fires up the god awful baseball only cult of our “fanbase”. That makes it worse.

Thank you for saying it!

[CaptainObvious]

If State didn't have Hubbard, they would be Valley State!

[EdwardDrayton]

Which facet are we leading in?***

LOL!! Blocks and fast break points. So we have that going for us. ******

[CaptainObvious]

Thank you for saying it!

I can say without question once Baseball starts, I want have to worry about this shitastic bunch of lollygaggers!

[RezDog7]

Like I said, 8,9 seed at best. This team is garbage.

[EdwardDrayton]

Think I'd make them wear "Got Bitched" shirts to class this week.

[CaptainObvious]

I'm sure half of this board will find a way to blame the Referees for this embarrassment!

[StarkVegasSteve]

I can say without question once Baseball starts, I want have to worry about this shitastic bunch of lollygaggers!

You are right. Y’all will just bitch about the baseball ones. The cult acts like our program is a reincarnation of the 28 Yankees every year until the season starts. Then about 2 weeks in y’all act like we cannot beat the Lloyd Star B team.

[Dawgface]

Like I said, 8,9 seed at best. This team is garbage.
I don’t see making the tournament at this point. We make everyone look great.

[R2Dawg]

If State didn't have Hubbard, they would be Valley State!

Last 2 games maybe but if Hubbard had played worth a crap for a month we might have a few more wins.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don’t see making the tournament at this point. We make everyone look great.

We will lose our next 5 out of all likelihood.

[parabrave]

I swear it seems they have a 3 inch height advantage over us.

[R2Dawg]

I'm sure half of this board will find a way to blame the Referees for this embarrassment!

Haven't seen one mention.

Is your point that some think we are still great but refs lost game for us?

[cheewgumm]

State needs to focus on academics.

[Ranchdawg]

Well this just sucks! That is all I got.

[R2Dawg]

We will lose our next 5 out of all likelihood.

If we play like this, I'm not sure I see another win. Oh I think we'll win somewhere but put this effort and I see an L every game.

[EdwardDrayton]

I don’t see making the tournament at this point. We make everyone look great.

We'll make the tourney but where we'll be seeded is a magic eight ball guess at the moment.

[R2Dawg]

Will we even score 20 this half?

[R2Dawg]

We'll make the tourney but where we'll be seeded is a magic eight ball guess at the moment.

Where are 4 more wins playing like we are? I can't find them. We must win 8 to get in.

[msstate7]

Why isn't chol and Russell in the game? Our main guys wanna take games off, let em

[cheewgumm]

Warren should play a LOT more.

[Turfdawg67]

State needs to focus on academics.

Oh boy… When you've lost chew boy, things are really bad.

[msstate7]

Warren should play a LOT more.

Can't think of any reason why he shouldn't. Harris is crashing.

[EdwardDrayton]

Where are 4 more wins playing like we are? I can't find them. We must win 8 to get in.

We're not going to play like this every game. Today is simply inexplicable.

[EdwardDrayton]

Oh boy… When you've lost chew boy, things are really bad.

LOL!!!

[RezDog7]

My daughter was planning to go to MSU next year. I'm gonna make her go somewhere else.

[cheewgumm]

Oh boy… When you've lost chew boy, things are really bad.

Ha, no, I'm only joining the crowd.

I'm not as emotional as most of our whacko fanbase.

[R2Dawg]

We're not going to play like this every game. Today is simply inexplicable.

Agree but we haven't played good in a month at least. Playing just better than today will not win one game rest of year. We went from we can score from everywhere to nowhere and D our staple to we can't guard anyone. And this didn't just happen today, been for weeks.

[cheewgumm]

If we start playing well, our fans will be back with "I'm glad i was wrong".

Hopefully we put it together.

I'd personally play Warren more. The problem i see is our offensive flow- there is none.

[LC Dawg]

I'm not giving up yet. Hopefully the week off rejuvenates us a little bit.

[msstate7]

PSA - don't go to home games!!!! Our team sucks ass in front of a big home crowd.

[R2Dawg]

My daughter was planning to go to MSU next year. I'm gonna make her go somewhere else.

Don't do that. MSU still a great school and experience. Winning a ball game ain't that important in life.

[msstate7]

I'm not giving up yet. Hopefully the week off rejuvenates us a little bit.

I think we're gonna play great next week, but I'm not sure we can win anyway. Most teams just don't lose at home. If we play well and lose anyway, we bout to be filming Tom petty's "free falling" video.

[R2Dawg]

I'm not giving up yet. Hopefully the week off rejuvenates us a little bit.

I've not given up either just saying unless big changes happen, we are finished. We have the talent to compete with anyone. Lot of mental issues as year has progressed.

[cheewgumm]

I'd start:

PG - Warren
SG - Hubbard (Yes it was a slump)
SF - Jones
PF - Mathews
C - Nwoko

Chol would get more minutes as well, to provide some beef down low.

[EdwardDrayton]

Don't do that. MSU still a great school and experience. Winning a ball game ain't that important in life.

^^^^^^^

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've not given up either just saying unless big changes happen, we are finished. We have the talent to compete with anyone. Lot of mental issues as year has progressed.

This just feels like 2011-2012

[msstate7]

I'd start:

PG - Warren
SG - Hubbard (Yes it was a slump)
SF - Jones
PF - Mathews
C - Nwoko

Chol would get more minutes as well, to provide some beef down low.

Cam is a big part of the trash play. He's been terrible lately

[NCMSTFAN]

Its been going on a while but less obvious because we've had different players step up to cover some of it. Now the entire team has almost folded. I can only guess some reasons why but Idk.

Losing one game or having a bad game happens to everyone. I can't remember the last really good game we played. Maybe OM but that game wasn't great in big stretches. USC at home I guess.

Do you think we have internal issues going on? It's just weird how we look now

[EdwardDrayton]

Thinking Wednesday game and early Saturday game is part of this. Fatigue.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do you think we have internal issues going on? It's just weird how we look now

We are struggling with confidence. Same as the 11-12 team. We played as good as we could have played on Wednesday and lost. Same with UK. It messes with your confidence. Jans has his work cut out for him to save the season.

[Ranchdawg]

My daughter was planning to go to MSU next year. I'm gonna make her go somewhere else.

Don’t do that! MSU is still very good school, a great college town, and safe. Send her to LSU/Baton Rouge and she might not make it home.

[msstate7]

Thinking Wednesday game and early Saturday game is part of this. Fatigue.

OM hanging with Auburn

[EdwardDrayton]

Never allow Dee to come to another game. ******

[LC Dawg]

Cam is a big part of the trash play. He's been terrible lately

I think Cam is tired and he's pressing.

[EdwardDrayton]

OM hanging with Auburn

Yeah but Texas is not Bama.

[LC Dawg]

I'd start:

PG - Warren
SG - Hubbard (Yes it was a slump)
SF - Jones
PF - Mathews
C - Nwoko

Chol would get more minutes as well, to provide some beef down low.

Jans decided to quit giving minutes to Warren and counted on Kugel to handle the ball more. I don't know if Warren getting more minutes early would be helping us now but counting on Kugel certainly isn't helping.

[mparkerfd20]

We are shit. That is all.

[smootness]

We are struggling with confidence. Same as the 11-12 team. We played as good as we could have played on Wednesday and lost. Same with UK. It messes with your confidence. Jans has his work cut out for him to save the season.

We did not ply close to as good as we can on Wednesday. Many of these same issues were on display. Hubbard scored 38 and we lost.

[EdwardDrayton]

A week to get rested and regroup. We'll go to Georgia next Saturday and get back on track.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A week to get rested and regroup. We'll go to Georgia next Saturday and get back on track.

Break could not have come at a better time for us. I would give them a few days off to just clear their heads.

[msstate7]

Yeah but Texas is not Bama.

Game went to last possession

[EdwardDrayton]

Break could not have come at a better time for us. I would give them a few days off to just clear their heads.

Yes

[EdwardDrayton]

Game went to last possession

Yeah but Texas is not Bama. :)

[Dawgface]

We are shit. That is all.

There is really no argument to your statement.

[NCMSTFAN]

We are struggling with confidence. Same as the 11-12 team. We played as good as we could have played on Wednesday and lost. Same with UK. It messes with your confidence. Jans has his work cut out for him to save the season.

If it's a confidence issue that's on Jans to fix

[smootness]

It is about way more than confidence. We have 0 positional discipline on defense. Some of our offensive issues may be confidence based, but those are not our most glaring issues. We have become careless with the ball, and Cam has disappeared. But Hubbard has actually masked our biggest issues worsening over the last two. Our 3-point defense and defensive rebounding have been problems and are now catastrophic issues. You will not beat teams if you leave shooters open and give them extra chances consistently.

We are among the worst teams in D1 in 3-point defense and quickly getting there in offensive rebounds allowed. Came in #287 and #224 respectively.

[msstate7]

It is about way more than confidence. We have 0 positional discipline on defense. Some of our offensive issues may be confidence based, but those are not our most glaring issues. We have become careless with the ball, and Cam has disappeared. But Hubbard has actually masked our biggest issues worsening over the last two. Our 3-point defense and defensive rebounding have been problems and are now catastrophic issues. You will not beat teams if you leave shooters open and give them extra chances consistently.

We are among the worst teams in D1 in 3-point defense and quickly getting there in offensive rebounds allowed. Came in #287 and #224 respectively.

Off rebounding is a product of the bad 3-pt def imo. Teams know they can jack up 3s vs us, so it leads to a lot of long off rebs. Fix the 3-pt def, and you'll fix the rebounding

[Dawgology]

Poorly coached team. Bad leadership on team and coaching staff. Bad management. Average team that caught some good teams early. Out in first round of tournament as usual.

[msstate7]

Poorly coached team. Bad leadership on team and coaching staff. Bad management. Average team that caught some good teams early. Out in first round of tournament as usual.

I'm really upset right now too, but there's ebbs and flows to a season. I don't think we're as bad as we looked today or as good as we looked at Memphis (our best game imo). I think we will bounce back from this.

[RezDog7]

My daughter was planning to go to MSU next year. I'm gonna make her go somewhere else.

Don’t do that! MSU is still very good school, a great college town, and safe. Send her to LSU/Baton Rouge and she might not make it home.

I'm just kidding. We love MSU.

[smootness]

Off rebounding is a product of the bad 3-pt def imo. Teams know they can jack up 3s vs us, so it leads to a lot of long off rebs. Fix the 3-pt def, and you'll fix the rebounding

Disagree. They are related in the sense that we are always chasing and out of position, but the rebounding problem is positioning and simply a lack of rebounding ability and desire. They are making more 3s and therefore actually fewer long misses.

[CaptainObvious]

Against Bama our guys were in position to rebound but stood flat footed while Bama players grabbed the rebounds in several occasions.

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm really upset right now too, but there's ebbs and flows to a season. I don't think we're as bad as we looked today or as good as we looked at Memphis (our best game imo). I think we will bounce back from this.

Yup

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm really upset right now too, but there's ebbs and flows to a season. I don't think we're as bad as we looked today or as good as we looked at Memphis (our best game imo). I think we will bounce back from this.

Probably the best way to look at it. We are in a funk right now and there is no doubt about it. WE HAVE TO GET BETTER defending the 3 pt line. Harris and Matthews need to work out of whatever the hell they are going through. Kugel needs to get his head out of his ass and start playing like the NBA prospect he is. Nwoko needs to start giving us something down low and Melendez needs to start playing with a bit more consistency.