Bo Bounds Dropping Some Moorhead Era Rumors

[TrapGame]

Bo just decides to throw out there today that supposedly Manny Diaz, Brett Bilema and Jon Sumrall were all interested in the HC job in 2018.

He was talking about DCs being head coaches and MSU going the OC route since Mullen. Then he decides to drop that on air.

[gtowndawg]

Bo just decides to throw out there today that supposedly Manny Diaz, Brett Bilema and Jon Sumrall were all interested in the HC job in 2018.

He was talking about DCs being head coaches and MSU going the OC route since Mullen. Then he decides to drop that on air.

Jon Sumrall was a linebackers coach in 2018 with no head coaching expiereince at all. Why would Bo think any SEC school would consider him as a HC candiate at that point?

[Santiago]

Jon Sumrall was a linebackers coach in 2018 with no head coaching expiereince at all. Why would Bo think any SEC school would consider him as a HC candiate at that point?

Although not enough data at the time for Sumrall, Moorhead was not a HC , well other than Furman.
Manny and Bert would have easily taken that team to a better season .

[Count Istvan Teleky]

I dunno. Bounds is pretty well connected with Dave Bartoo who seems to be in on all the coaching rumors and hirings.

[ZedFedder]

Moorhead was the guy everyone thought would excel as a head coach, and he just didn?t. It stunk for us, but it was the right move then.

[gtowndawg]

Although not enough data at the time for Sumrall, Moorhead was not a HC , well other than Furman.
Manny and Bert would have easily taken that team to a better season .

I can see Manny and certainly Bert as real candidates. But acting like skipping on Jon Sumrall, a 35 year old position coach with no head coaching experience at all, is just crazy talk. Don't get me wrong, we've made some dumb decisions but I can't blame anyone who might have passed on that resume at the time.

[TrapGame]

Moorhead was the guy everyone thought would excel as a head coach, and he just didn?t. It stunk for us, but it was the right move then.

Not to beat a dead horse but Moorhead is a bullshit specialist. He backed a dump truck full of manure on Cohen and Cohen bought it. We actually cancelled the other coach interviews after Cohen met with Moorhead. That's asinine.

[Santiago]

I can see Manny and certainly Bert as real candidates. But acting like skipping on Jon Sumrall, a 35 year old position coach with no head coaching experience at all, is just crazy talk. Don't get me wrong, we've made some dumb decisions but I can't blame anyone who might have passed on that resume at the time.

Agree.
But dang Manny or Bert with that defense that year... Geeze. Really, Manny would have been a terror on teams with that defense.
Thankful though we had an AD smarter than anyone I have ever known, that we pulled from somewhere with plenty of hiring experience and AD marketing ***

[RockyDog]

Not to beat a dead horse but Moorhead is a bullshit specialist. He backed a dump truck full of manure on Cohen and Cohen bought it. We actually cancelled the other coach interviews after Cohen met with Moorhead. That's asinine.

That's why "winning the press conference" is so overrated and probably part of the reason we went in the completely opposite direction with the Leach hire.

[msu15]

but it was the right move then.

Heavily disagree. There were plenty other more qualified candidates that would have taken the job had Cohen actually reached out to them.

[R2Dawg]

Agree.
But dang Manny or Bert with that defense that year... Geeze. Really, Manny would have been a terror on teams with that defense.
Thankful though we had an AD smarter than anyone I have ever known, that we pulled from somewhere with plenty of hiring experience and AD marketing ***

Not saying Cohen was a good AD and made good choices but with great D returning and hiring the OC coach of the year with Fitz returning, that at the time felt like a great move.

You just never know.

[confucius say]

Bert with that 2018 team is intriguing.

[Coach34]

I can see why Bert didnt get the job- he had just failed at UPig

[Tbonewannabe]

We got great publicity with the Moorhead hire. Just about every journalist thought he was an A to A+ hire. Most thought he was the next great offensive mind. A lot of people were fooled.

[Todd4State]

I can see why Bert didnt get the job- he had just failed at UPig

And he left them in really bad shape.

[Todd4State]

Bo just decides to throw out there today that supposedly Manny Diaz, Brett Bilema and Jon Sumrall were all interested in the HC job in 2018.

He was talking about DCs being head coaches and MSU going the OC route since Mullen. Then he decides to drop that on air.

There's a difference between "they're interested" and "got an interview."

[BankerDog]

I dunno. Bounds is pretty well connected with Dave Bartoo who seems to be in on all the coaching rumors and hirings.

And to show you how big of an idiot Bartoo is?he graded the Barbay hire for Arnett an A plus. Why? Because he consulted Arnett and Brad on the OC hire.. guy is a joke

[Todd4State]

And to show you how big of an idiot Bartoo is?he graded the Barbay hire for Arnett an A plus. Why? Because he consulted Arnett and Brad on the OC hire.. guy is a joke

The fact that they listened to Dave Bartoo shows you how big of an idiot Arnett and Brad Perterson were.

I guess the "matrix" didn't account for the head coach taking over the offense midseason?**

[BeardoMSU]

I can see why Bert didnt get the job- he had just failed at UPig


And he left them in really bad shape.

Yep

[BeardoMSU]

We got great publicity with the Moorhead hire. Just about every journalist thought he was an A to A+ hire. Most thought he was the next great offensive mind. A lot of people were fooled.

Yep Yep.

[Pancho]

bounds is full o crap

[PGHBulldogBG]

We got great publicity with the Moorhead hire. Just about every journalist thought he was an A to A+ hire. Most thought he was the next great offensive mind. A lot of people were fooled.

They clearly weren?t from PA because we all knew up here he was a joke. PSU fans all around here were thanking me for our staff taking him for underachieving with the talent level they had. I knew it was a disaster from day 1

[HoopsDawg]

They clearly weren?t from PA because we all knew up here he was a joke. PSU fans all around here were thanking me for our staff taking him for underachieving with the talent level they had. I knew it was a disaster from day 1

Croom had Barry, Joe had Saquon. A lot of similarities with those 2.

Worst hire in MSU history. Thanks Cohen.

[Cooterpoot]

Moorhead was the guy everyone thought would excel as a head coach, and he just didn?t. It stunk for us, but it was the right move then.

The man basically got fired at his last two HC jobs before coming here. He had success at one little school. It was an awful hire!

[viverlibre]

Croom had Barry, Joe had Saquon. A lot of similarities with those 2.

Worst hire in MSU history. Thanks Cohen.

Yuup, SloMo rode Saquon, the best player in college at the time, onto a head coaching job and many millions of dollars.

[TrapGame]

They clearly weren?t from PA because we all knew up here he was a joke. PSU fans all around here were thanking me for our staff taking him for underachieving with the talent level they had. I knew it was a disaster from day 1

Yeah, I know a Penn State alum with some strong ties. He told me Franklin let Moorhead run the offense his first year. Five games in and it was an absolute shit show. So, Franklin told Joe to pick his best ten plays and that's all he could call the entire game. Saquon made Joe look like an offensive guru.

[Todd4State]

In hindsight we should have hired a coach that ran an offense similar to Dan's that fit Fitzgerald or gone ahead and hired Leach and brought in Gardner Minchew and allowed Nick to transfer out.

[Todd4State]

Croom had Barry, Joe had Saquon. A lot of similarities with those 2.

Worst hire in MSU history. Thanks Cohen.

I think Croom was actually better.

[TrapGame]

I can see why Bert didnt get the job- he had just failed at UPig


And he left them in really bad shape.

Oh, it got even better.

Bo said Arkansas should have kept Fat Bert. He thought they were idiots for firing him b/c it led to Chad Morris.

Bert tried to turn Arkansas into Wisconsin. It didn't work.

[Coach34]

Bert is a good coach- it just didnt work at UPig. He went and did a year with Belichek and it helped him. He is doing a great job at Illinois right now

Could it translate down South? Not sure

[viverlibre]

In hindsight we should have hired a coach that ran an offense similar to Dan's that fit Fitzgerald

Funny how we made that mistake in two of three hires. Have an offense that works, with experienced returning players and aren't a fit for the offense the coach you want to hire runs? Hire that man. When Dan left, how easy would it have been to hire a spread option coach who runs a very similar scheme?

[Todd4State]

Oh, it got even better.

Bo said Arkansas should have kept Fat Bert. He thought they were idiots for firing him b/c it led to Chad Morris.

Bert tried to turn Arkansas into Wisconsin. It didn't work.

Hard to believe someone can get a sports talk show with takes like that. Keeping him would have simply meant that Bert would have run them in the ground instead of Morris.

[Todd4State]

Funny how we made that mistake in two of three hires. Have an offense that works, with experienced returning players and aren't a fit for the offense the coach you want to hire runs? Hire that man. When Dan left, how easy would it have been to hire a spread option coach who runs a very similar scheme?

It would have been probably fairly easy to find someone like a Charlie Strong or Gary Andersen looking at the Urban Meyer tree. Probably could have gotten Rich Rodriguez although he was fired for extramarital issues and Cohen wasn't going there after Cann.

Arnett was fired in part for lying about what we were going to do on offense if the rumors are true. That included misleading people like Keenum who wanted to keep a version of the Air Raid to fit the personnel Leach had recruited. So if that's true at least MSU learned their lesson.

[SPMT]

Heavily disagree. There were plenty other more qualified candidates that would have taken the job had Cohen actually reached out to them.

Do you know for a fact he didn?t reach out to those candidates?

[SPMT]

Funny how we made that mistake in two of three hires. Have an offense that works, with experienced returning players and aren't a fit for the offense the coach you want to hire runs? Hire that man. When Dan left, how easy would it have been to hire a spread option coach who runs a very similar scheme?

FACT!

[viverlibre]

Arnett was fired in part for lying about what we were going to do on offense if the rumors are true. That included misleading people like Keenum who wanted to keep a version of the Air Raid to fit the personnel Leach had recruited. So if that's true at least MSU learned their lesson.

Yuup, as soon as Keenum saw that Arnept was firing the air raid coaches, he should have jumped in immediately.

[HoopsDawg]

I think Croom was actually better.

Oh I agree

[msu15]

Do you know for a fact he didn?t reach out to those candidates?

Absolutely. Leach would've taken it for one. His agent was the one that reached out to Cohen in 2020. Mike wasn't even on Cohen's radar after he got caught with his pants down when Keenum vetoed Sark.

[TrapGame]

Bert is a good coach- it just didnt work at UPig. He went and did a year with Belichek and it helped him. He is doing a great job at Illinois right now

Could it translate down South? Not sure

Bert is a prototypical Big10 coach in my opinion. Illinois is heaven for him. He can keep the Illinois talent that would normally go to Wisconsin or Minnesota.

[Pancho]

According to Altmyer, the Illini players don't care for berts personality but say he does know what he's doing and he will continue to win there.

[preachermatt83]

Agree.
But dang Manny or Bert with that defense that year... Geeze. Really, Manny would have been a terror on teams with that defense.
Thankful though we had an AD smarter than anyone I have ever known, that we pulled from somewhere with plenty of hiring experience and AD marketing ***

Yes this! Especially Bert. Can you even imagine a slow paced offense with that defense?? And with Fitz behind that oline in that offense. Could have completely changed the direction our program headed.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Furman wasn?t really a HC job, obviously.

[1eyedog]

I hate to repeat myself but there was one article talking about Clemson taking what the “DOGS” did defensively against Bama and won the national title. I hate to talk neg about someone but Lord Have Mercy with that defense Jo should have only lost one game......if that...

[Tbonewannabe]

I hate to repeat myself but there was one article talking about Clemson taking what the “DOGS” did defensively against Bama and won the national title. I hate to talk neg about someone but Lord Have Mercy with that defense Jo should have only lost one game......if that...

NFL talent of Simmons and Sweat on the Dline with Abram at safety, didn't take much else to have a great defense even if the players called their own plays.

[StarkVegasSteve]

NFL talent of Simmons and Sweat on the Dline with Abram at safety, didn't take much else to have a great defense even if the players called their own plays.

That right there is why I never understood why some people held Shoop in such high regard. Like we had 3 first round picks on the same defense. He could drop 7 every play and get pressure. You don't have to be real exotic when you have that type of talent

[Todd4State]

That right there is why I never understood why some people held Shoop in such high regard. Like we had 3 first round picks on the same defense. He could drop 7 every play and get pressure. You don't have to be real exotic when you have that type of talent

He was the type of coach we needed on offense that year. Solid and fundamentally sound. Nothing too flashy or crazy.

You won't wow the media with being eccentric like Leach or Joe Lee Dunn but you would win games.

[1bigdawg]

Although not enough data at the time for Sumrall, Moorhead was not a HC , well other than Furman.
Manny and Bert would have easily taken that team to a better season .

I read somewhere that Furman was the only school in their league with athletic schollys (or their equivalent). If true, he was a terrible coach there, also.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I read somewhere that Furman was the only school in their league with athletic schollys (or their equivalent). If true, he was a terrible coach there, also.

It was Fordham, but you are correct that they were the only school that offered scholarships. Anywhere he has not had a decided competitive advantage, he has failed.