HUBBARD - needs to shoot100 threes a day

[cheewgumm]

Only way is through

[RockyDog]

He sucks. Hope he and his dad don’t spend all his NIL. Needs to be at Louisiana Tech

[cheewgumm]

Ha, come o. Man.

He?s in a slump. He has to work out if it.

That?s all.

[NCMSTFAN]

He sucks. Hope he and his dad don’t spend all his NIL. Needs to be at Louisiana Tech

I wouldn't go that far.. its a slump, he will get out of it

[tcdog70]

Right now I had rather play Harris

[Coach34]

He is being forced farther behind the 3 pt line this season than last. Defenses arent worried about sagging to the paint to help like they did last year vs our giants we had.

He is in a little bit of a slump- but the bulk of it is bigger defenders constantly combines with being forced out farther for shots often

[Coach34]

Kugel is the guy for this team- not really Hubbard

[cheewgumm]

He is being forced farther behind the 3 pt line this season than last. Defenses arent worried about sagging to the paint to help like they did last year vs our giants we had.

He is in a little bit of a slump- but the bulk of it is bigger defenders constantly combines with being forced out farther for shots often

What did he score on Kentucky last year?

35?

2-15 or whatever he was seems like a slump.

Seems obvious

[HoopsDawg]

Only way is through

he already does that. no one practices more than hubbard. we need him to become a better PG and take good shots.

[Coach34]

What did he score on Kentucky last year?

He's not being defended the same way as last year

[cheewgumm]

He is being forced farther behind the 3 pt line this season than last. Defenses arent worried about sagging to the paint to help like they did last year vs our giants we had.

He is in a little bit of a slump- but the bulk of it is bigger defenders constantly combines with being forced out farther for shots often


he already does that. no one practices more than hubbard. we need him to become a better PG and take good shots.

That is good.

Then he will come out of it.

[smootness]

He's not being defended the same way as last year

Yes he is. He was our entire offense for large stretches of last year and made some extremely tough shots. His shot is just off at the moment, he is even missing the open ones.

[smootness]

He sucks. Hope he and his dad don’t spend all his NIL. Needs to be at Louisiana Tech

This guy is the absolute worst. No clue how he is still even on this board.

[SailingDawg]

I have felt this years team compliments each other and the scoring is fairly even from everyone playing. That?s how we did it today. I love Murphy. Hubbard will be back. Hopefully we have a coach that knows what to do in this situation, or bring someone in to help.

I don?t get opponents? ability to shoot threes in our building.

[Coach34]

Yes he is. He was our entire offense for large stretches of last year and made some extremely tough shots. His shot is just off at the moment, he is even missing the open ones.

We'll just have to disagree. Teams didnt extend their D out as far last year because Tolu was the best guy on the block in the SEC. Every team had to drop and help. That allowed Hubb to get more easier shots. He doesnt have that this year. He even started the season hot but defenses have since changed since we dont have a "on the block" guy. Teams are extending their half court D against us. They arent worried about sagging to the paint. I cant see it for you

[RockyDog]

This guy is the absolute worst. No clue how he is still even on this board.

Why? Because you are a pu$$y and can’t handle the truth? Grow a sack, vag boy

[schddog72]

Kugel is the guy for this team- not really Hubbard

Kugel was totally selfish the last 8+ seconds of regulation tonight; he tried to be a hero instead of dribble driving and looking for the open man. I did not like that at all; it was totally uncalled for and we maybe could have avoided overtime had we played team ball instead of NY NBA-style street ball.

[HoopsDawg]

We'll just have to disagree. Teams didnt extend their D out as far last year because Tolu was the best guy on the block in the SEC. Every team had to drop and help. That allowed Hubb to get more easier shots. He doesnt have that this year. He even started the season hot but defenses have since changed since we dont have a "on the block" guy. Teams are extending their half court D against us. They arent worried about sagging to the paint. I cant see it for you

I would say that's probably part of it. He also has much more ball handling responsibilities so that's taking a toll on his shooting. A couple of other things. One, anytime a shooter elevates that much on his jump shot, there is going to be some streakiness to him. Also, Hubbard was THE scoring option on his high school team and last year's team. He's having a hard time getting into the right flow now that we have several scoring options. I still think it's going to click at some point and he will figure out how to get his 17 in a more efficient way. But right now, he's not our number 1 option.

[Coach34]

Kugel was totally selfish the last 8+ seconds of regulation tonight; he tried to be a hero instead of dribble driving and looking for the open man. I did not like that at all; it was totally uncalled for and we maybe could have avoided overtime had we played team ball instead of NY NBA-style street ball.

explain to me in a strategic way who you have rather taken that shot? Hubb was not on the floor. We had Kugel, Cam, Jones, Nwoko, and Melendez on the floor

Could he had driven to the basket? Maybe. But we got wiped alot in the paint. Myself? I would have preferred Jan call a TO and set up a play. Apparently we didnt have one because if we did thats a coaching error

[Coach34]

I would say that's probably part of it. He also has much more ball handling responsibilities so that's taking a toll on his shooting. A couple of other things. One, anytime a shooter elevates that much on his jump shot, there is going to be some streakiness to him. Also, Hubbard was THE scoring option on his high school team and last year's team. He's having a hard time getting into the right flow now that we have several scoring options. I still think it's going to click at some point and he will figure out how to get his 17 in a more efficient way. But right now, he's not our number 1 option.

I dont think we have a number 1 option right now. Thats why we struggle at points. Hubb is a good player and really talented- but he is being extended on. We have to counter it

[tcdog70]

It seems to me that Hub is trying to get fouled on every shot. I wish he would square up and shoot an on balanced shot.

[NCMSTFAN]

He is being forced farther behind the 3 pt line this season than last. Defenses arent worried about sagging to the paint to help like they did last year vs our giants we had.

He is in a little bit of a slump- but the bulk of it is bigger defenders constantly combines with being forced out farther for shots often

I agree that's definitely part of it, but Hubb is also just missing some wide open shots he would normally make. I personally think he will bounce back, but I'm so grateful for guys like Kugel, Harris and Melendez who have all helped out in some form or fashion. We didn't have those type of guys last year

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yep. Just a slump. He needs to change his trajectory, his release point, or anything else he can think of.

My question is this, how does every team in the country be able to get people open except us with Hubbard?

[Tater]

This guy is the absolute worst. No clue how he is still even on this board.

I'm not for majority voting someone off the board because I know that puts the crosshairs right at me. But man I don't know anyone who can stand that guy.

[Tater]

I agree that's definitely part of it, but Hubb is also just missing some wide open shots he would normally make. I personally think he will bounce back, but I'm so grateful for guys like Kugel, Harris and Melendez who have all helped out in some form or fashion. We didn't have those type of guys last year

Announcers made a great point.

Good teams can run through "the guy". Great teams can have anyone be "the guy" on any given night. We've been #1 for a while and this year is the first in a long time where we're flirting with #2.

[cheewgumm]

I agree that's definitely part of it, but Hubb is also just missing some wide open shots he would normally make. I personally think he will bounce back, but I'm so grateful for guys like Kugel, Harris and Melendez who have all helped out in some form or fashion. We didn't have those type of guys last year


Agree.

Also, don't totally disagree with the point, but think a lot of it is slump.

[Ranchdawg]

Not criticizing but merely asking the question. Why doesn’t Jans run some plays for Hubbard. Especially some double screens. It seems to the only play for Hubbard is a single screen either side of top of the key or Hubbard run and run attempting to lose his defender.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Bart and Charlie mentioned an efficiency ranking for the game and Kugel, Mathews and Murphy were near 20. Hubbard was a 1. Maybe he needs to start coming off the bench again like he started last year to change things up.

[msstate7]

For the season, cam is 14th nationally in efficiency, and hubbard is 27th. Hubbard has been good this season even though it seems he hasn't.

https://evanmiya.com/?player_ratings

[DownwardDawg]

I'm not for majority voting someone off the board because I know that puts the crosshairs right at me. But man I don't know anyone who can stand that guy.

There's only 1 moderator these days and he lets Rocky run free. He would have been gone long ago if we had some moderators. His personal attack in this thread alone is enough for a ban.

[Tater]

There's only 1 moderator these days and he lets Rocky run free. He would have been gone long ago if we had some moderators. His personal attack in this thread alone is enough for a ban.

Report button still works. I've been yelled at for spamming it before.

Scoob let the political thread go because even though there were some personal insults hurled - those participating didn't report each other and can take banter back and forth. Plus it was a dead time and they were actually funny jokes both ways. That shit he said is 0/10 on funny scale.

I've added BoxOfRocksDog to my ignore list and am hitting that post with a report. Scoob can handle it from there.

[Coach34]

Also, don't totally disagree with the point, but think a lot of it is slump.

So we just going to ignore the fact he has no game inside the 3 point line? 9/10 of his shots in the paint get swatted or he has to force some type of lunatic acrobatic shot to get it off. Thats what scorers do when the lid seems to be on the basket from deep. He doesnt have that in his bag.

[State82]

For the season, cam is 14th nationally in efficiency, and hubbard is 27th. Hubbard has been good this season even though it seems he hasn't.

https://evanmiya.com/?player_ratings

Took a glance at that. Auburn has three players in the top 10. Geez.

[Pancho]

He sucks. Hope he and his dad don?t spend all his NIL. Needs to be at Louisiana Tech

how big a boy are you? are you a boy?

[cheewgumm]

It?s not a sudden revelation to teams that they need to push Hubbard off the 3 pt line.

They all did not just figure that out. In fact they knew it on day 1.they all recruited him. They knew.

He definitely needs to pull up from 10 instead of laying it up against 6?9 guys.

But he is capable of scoring in a lot of ways, beyond just threes.

[Tater]

Was sitting in the SkyClub waiting for my connection this morning thinking about it and boy do I feel silly once the realization came about Hubbard.

It's just the natural sophomore slump. We as fans get caught up in expecting linear positive progression from our players. Gotta remember, last year was his first year. Now all these other great coaches had an offseason to break down a ton of tape and quite a few have found things. He's being guarded way smarter and hunted in better ways on defense as others have pointed out. It is different and it's not just "missing Tolu."

It feels like a mid season slump because the non-sec opponents did not spend near as much time on it. Sure the UNLV injury probably still bothering him, but at this point he's 5 games in to "Hard Mode". Last year he was new and had the advantage of newness. That advantage is gone. We're 3-2 with losses to a top 10 team who has a hex on us and a loss @ the #1 team. Damn good coaching.

Hubbard has taken a step forward in his defense and decision making this year imo. We saw a lot of it in non-con. He just hasn't taken as much of a step forward as those defending him have taken - so it looks like a net negative.

I trust in Jans to help get him continually growing. And hey - I'd rather him be hot at the end of the year than hot right now.

Jans has helped guide Murphy, Kugel, Nwoko, Melendez, and Jones have all taken leaps from last year. Harris per minute stats look the same, but he's doing it against better comp. Matthews has linearly grown all 3 years, except the two areas that would make him a bonafide NBA starter: Free Throws and 3 PT. I was hoping for a Herb Jones like leap for him but doesn't seem to be in the cards. As much as the Pelicans suck and cause injury to EVERYONE - Fred Vinson is a wizard for what he's done with Herb Jones. Cam Matthews would be wise and lucky to follow those footsteps.

[NCMSTFAN]

So we just going to ignore the fact he has no game inside the 3 point line? 9/10 of his shots in the paint get swatted or he has to force some type of lunatic acrobatic shot to get it off. Thats what scorers do when the lid seems to be on the basket from deep. He doesnt have that in his bag.

His numbers aren't that far off from last season. He's not the 1st short guard to ever play high major basketball. He will get it figured out, I wouldn't bet against Josh Hubbard, it may not be next game or even the next few games but I guarantee you he will figure it out and get back on track