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cheewgumm
01-11-2025, 10:39 PM
Hopefully he will.

msstate7
01-11-2025, 10:40 PM
He wasn't great last year. He just shot a ton

cheewgumm
01-11-2025, 10:49 PM
Seems like his percentage is less but I would have to see the stats .

I don?t know.

CaptainObvious
01-11-2025, 10:50 PM
His Five Foot Teness has caught up to him. But I'm more concerned with decisions by Jans late in games to sit producers. Melendez is twice the athlete Hubbard is and shoots at a higher %. But at the last 1:02, why was state looking for 3's to tie it? Where is our post presence? We should have had at least 2 possessions in 1:02 if we had made a 2 to make it 93-92. But nope! Jack City from the 3 point line. Every time State tries to play UK or Alabama or Auburn or Florida in "their" style, ass gets bit!

CaptainObvious
01-11-2025, 10:52 PM
Hopefully he will.

We still need a solid 12-15 points from a Post player game in and game out.

MoreCowbell
01-11-2025, 11:00 PM
Did Kugel not go back in once he got hurt? He was our most productive player other than Cam.

We actually played a great game and great defense. Kentucky just COULD NOT MISS. Was at game, it was so frustrating to watch.

Still, we are every bit of a top 15 team. We were more physical and did everything better than UK but 3 pointers. It was just one of those night. It sucks that it came in a game we really needed at home but I am not any less down on this team. We will bounce back and still compete for the conference.

StarkVegasSteve
01-11-2025, 11:11 PM
Did Kugel not go back in once he got hurt? He was our most productive player other than Cam.

We actually played a great game and great defense. Kentucky just COULD NOT MISS. Was at game, it was so frustrating to watch.

Still, we are every bit of a top 15 team. We were more physical and did everything better than UK but 3 pointers. It was just one of those night. It sucks that it came in a game we really needed at home but I am not any less down on this team. We will bounce back and still compete for the conference.

Kugel came back in and then hurt his ankle.

maroonmania
01-11-2025, 11:28 PM
We lost tonight on perimeter d. At some point you just have to sell out to stop the 3 ball even if you give up.some easy 2s when they are making them at that rate.

MetEdDawg
01-11-2025, 11:56 PM
Hubbard has to find better shots. He's forcing 3 pointers. Not driving as much as he did last year. He's made 16 of his last 55 3 pointers. That's 29%.

For a stretch we looked better with him on the bench and Matthews running point. Hubbard has to find better shots for both himself and his teammates for us to realize our potential.

Turfdawg67
01-11-2025, 11:56 PM
I mean, there's probably a lot of pressure on Hubbard and he knows that, but yeah, if he's THE guy... he's gotta get out of this scoring funk (15 ain't bad) and take over. We need a Wilson, Zim, Q or Bowers for sure. And please throw stats that say he is, but man, I just don't feel the same about him as those guys. I know the potential is there, obviously.

cheewgumm
01-12-2025, 12:06 AM
It is a lot to ask of Hubbard but he is a SCORER.

Doesn?t mean it all has to come from 3. In fact I think he would be more effective taking it into lane more often and pulling up from 8 - automatic - just to get them off of him at the 3 pt line.

However he does it, he needs to SCORE. A lot.

Political Hack
01-12-2025, 12:14 AM
We lost tonight on perimeter d. At some point you just have to sell out to stop the 3 ball even if you give up.some easy 2s when they are making them at that rate.

They rebound and slash too well offensively. Gotta pack it in. I don't fault Jans for the strategy at all. They just shot lights out. Tip your hat and hope you get another run at them.

Pancho
01-12-2025, 08:37 AM
opponents are bodying him up and knocking him off his spot. he must adjust

StarkVegasSteve
01-12-2025, 09:56 AM
opponents are bodying him up and knocking him off his spot. he must adjust

The thing with Josh is, he’ll miss 5 shots in a row and then just look like he gets pissed off, gets downhill, and raises up and drains it. He just needs to let the game come to him more than he is right now. I will say he had some bad luck last night. He had 3 go in and out last night.

Just needs to have a good game on Tuesday. Auburn all of a sudden looks very beatable.

Pancho
01-12-2025, 10:07 AM
Steve, check your DM

StarkVegasSteve
01-12-2025, 10:09 AM
Steve, check your DM

Try sending it again. I think I had to delete some stuff.

NCMSTFAN
01-12-2025, 10:30 AM
I called Hubbard one of the most talented players we have ever had, and I still feel he is or can be. But after watching this team and the way he is playing this season I'm starting to think that he needs to take fewer shots or be more selective. He seems to force shots more this year, he hit alot of those type shots last season but they arent falling this year, part of it has to do with the fact that he isnt a secret anymore and teams are guarding him differently.

We have plenty enough talent on this year's team that we dont need Hubb taking as many shots a game as he does, especially if he's not hitting them

msstate7
01-12-2025, 10:42 AM
I called Hubbard one of the most talented players we have ever had, and I still feel he is or can be. But after watching this team and the way he is playing this season I'm starting to think that he needs to take fewer shots or be more selective. He seems to force shots more this year, he hit alot of those type shots last season but they arent falling this year, part of it has to do with the fact that he isnt a secret anymore and teams are guarding him differently.

We have plenty enough talent on this year's team that we dont need Hubb taking as many shots a game as he does, especially if he's not hitting them

That's sort of the problem. He's a volume guy that's at his best when he's shooting a ton. This team doesn't need a volume shooter though.

NCMSTFAN
01-12-2025, 11:07 AM
That's sort of the problem. He's a volume guy that's at his best when he's shooting a ton. This team doesn't need a volume shooter though.

Very true, but that also has to do with Jans. We know Hubb is a knock down shooter especially when he gets his feet set and is in a rhythm, Jans is going to have to reel him back on taking so many volume shots and have more set plays for him instead of crossing half court and pulling three's, that isnt working for him this year

gtowndawg
01-12-2025, 12:03 PM
I mean, there's probably a lot of pressure on Hubbard and he knows that, but yeah, if he's THE guy... he's gotta get out of this scoring funk (15 ain't bad) and take over. We need a Wilson, Zim, Q or Bowers for sure. And please throw stats that say he is, but man, I just don't feel the same about him as those guys. I know the potential is there, obviously.

This is one of the bad consequences of NIL as well. Hubbard has a big NIL deal and to his credit I think he's trying to prove he's worth it. Unfortunaly, that means point production which leads to jacking up ill advised shots. I love Hub but he took about 3 threes that were basically turnovers. Just terrible shots that had little to no chance of going in (and Jans let him know that). Just a working theory...

tcdog70
01-12-2025, 12:24 PM
He is taking it too deep when he drives . He needs to pull up and hit the floaters that he is good at.

LC Dawg
01-12-2025, 01:37 PM
Teams are playing Hubbard like he is short because he is short. He's going to have to adapt. Teams are going to keep giving him extra attention because they know he can hit from anywhere so it's up to Jans to figure out the best way to use him.

maroonmania
01-12-2025, 01:59 PM
They rebound and slash too well offensively. Gotta pack it in. I don't fault Jans for the strategy at all. They just shot lights out. Tip your hat and hope you get another run at them.

Don't fault him with starting out with that strategy but at some point when you are being ripped from the 3 point line, you need to adjust.

ETA: there came a time that when they only scored a 2 point basket I considered it as a minor win for us.

Goldendawg
01-12-2025, 02:22 PM
Teams are playing Hubbard like he is short because he is short. He's going to have to adapt. Teams are going to keep giving him extra attention because they know he can hit from anywhere so it's up to Jans to figure out the best way to use him.

This. He burst on the scene and had a great Freshman year. Now all the SEC teams have played against him (Except TX & OK) and have a year's film on him. We are announcing him as 5' 11" this year and he has changed his body and looks much stronger, but he will always be guarded by an opposing guard much taller than him. I have been to every home games and when we switch on "D" he is also a liability. At last night's KY game after a switch, he was sometimes inside trying to guard a player 6' 6" or so or even to a 7' 0". He got a couple of his 4 fouls trying to guard a much taller player inside. Jans is going to have to scheme to help him both on offense and defense.

dawgday166
01-12-2025, 02:28 PM
That's sort of the problem. He's a volume guy that's at his best when he's shooting a ton. This team doesn't need a volume shooter though.

Correct.

Coach34
01-12-2025, 03:15 PM
We scores 90 points last night. Offense wasn’t the problem

cheewgumm
01-12-2025, 03:54 PM
We are good.

We won?t be great with Hubbard shooting < 30%

From three.

dawgday166
01-12-2025, 04:12 PM
We scores 90 points last night. Offense wasn?t the problem

True. At the end tho he was playing like Jamont Gordon did at the end of games.

R2Dawg
01-12-2025, 05:09 PM
We are good.

We won?t be great with Hubbard shooting < 30%

From three.

He needs to be more selective on his 3 shots - forcing too much. He didn't do this early in year.

Clary being out I think is hurting his approach. Harris is a natural 2. Hubbard isn't a natural 1 either.

Hub needs some individual coaching right now and Jans needs to figure out this puzzle. Key to our run is this but the game last night turns out different if UK player don't have a career shooting night. Will never happen again. Also Kugel getting hurt was big. We are just as good as I thought we were, yep pain to lose last night but sky ain't falling. We good, real good.

gtowndawg
01-12-2025, 08:35 PM
We scores 90 points last night. Offense wasn’t the problem

Valid point

msstate7
01-12-2025, 08:54 PM
He needs to be more selective on his 3 shots - forcing too much. He didn't do this early in year.

Clary being out I think is hurting his approach. Harris is a natural 2. Hubbard isn't a natural 1 either.

Hub needs some individual coaching right now and Jans needs to figure out this puzzle. Key to our run is this but the game last night turns out different if UK player don't have a career shooting night. Will never happen again. Also Kugel getting hurt was big. We are just as good as I thought we were, yep pain to lose last night but sky ain't falling. We good, real good.

Is clary gonna be back?

Tater
01-12-2025, 09:23 PM
Hubbard hasn't shot like himself since UNLV and rolling his ankle.

Tough loss but if we win Tuesday night it's a wash.

Coach34
01-12-2025, 09:33 PM
agree with Tard. Beat Auburn and it erases Saturday. Got to take advantage of Broome being out

tcdog70
01-13-2025, 10:43 PM
Right now give me 2. He is just as good as Hub on offense and way better on D. Let Cam run the point

R2Dawg
01-14-2025, 02:52 PM
agree with Tard. Beat Auburn and it erases Saturday. Got to take advantage of Broome being out

Yep, we can take the stink out of Saturday with a win tonight. Lets get it done. The table is set for us to do it. Get Cardel in foul trouble as he is prone to do and the inside is all of a sudden an issue for Auburn.