Mississippi State @ Vanderbilt opening line

[BigDawg81]

Mississippi State opens up as +1.5 underdogs. Take the Dawgs here

[Pancho]

roger that. over and out

[confucius say]

Tomorrow will be our toughest game of the year thus far imo

Vandy was the only road team to win Saturday. And we have a huge game Saturday at home.
Perfect spot for Vandy.
There's a reason we are underdogs.

[chef dixon]

No road game will be easy so I understand the line. However no way in hell I'm betting against this team

[Coach34]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

[msu15]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

HAHAHHAHAHAH

[ZedFedder]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

That was legitimately funny.

[cheewgumm]

I went $250 on is +1.

I think we are gonna blast them. Yes I am a joner, but that?s what I think.

[cheewgumm]

Sorry for terrible typing - in car.

[MoreCowbell]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

That was good

[cheewgumm]

I've watched a lot of SEC highlights...i think we are in the KEntucky, Florida group.

Tenn / Auburn

State / Kentucky / Florida

I havew not seen AM, to be fair.

We should make Vandy our own personal hand puppet.

[cheewgumm]

I've watched a lot of SEC highlights...i think we are in the KEntucky, Florida group.

Tenn / Auburn

State / Kentucky / Florida

I havew not seen AM, to be fair.

We should make Vandy our own personal hand puppet.



Also, have not seen Bama or OU

[MoreCowbell]

Also, have not seen Bama or OU

A&M is us last year

[BigDawg81]

State is now the favorite with -1.5. Vanderbilt leading scorer is questionable

[NCMSTFAN]

It's always tough to win at Vandy, they have a pretty good team this year too. Their court and bench arrangement is weird and it gives them an advantage, it's not set up like a traditional gym.

[TrapGame]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

He shoots! He scores! ***

[BigDawg81]

State is -3 now

[Tater]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

God damn you got me dude. A small dick joke. Whew - original. Big clap. Glad you're thinking about other men's dicks on a basketball thread. The Florida Big Man comment made me suspect it. Now we know for sure that you just like watching big men and thinking about their dicks - you even said it yourself you don't watch the game, you just go search videos of big men warming up:


I saw video of him warming up before a game. Had no idea he hadnt played.

Need me to DM you a hype video before the game Cuck34? ;)

[Tater]

State is now the favorite with -1.5. Vanderbilt leading scorer is questionable

This is still a prove it game for us. Win tonight says we're for sure top 15 throughout the season and getting a 4-seed at minimum. Saturday Kentucky game would solidify us as a top 10 team. Beating Auburn next week makes us a top 5 team.

Great times for state basketball.

[confucius say]

Lunardi has Vanderbilt as a 10 seed

[MoreCowbell]

God damn you got me dude. A small dick joke. Whew - original. Big clap. Glad you're thinking about other men's dicks on a basketball thread. The Florida Big Man comment made me suspect it. Now we know for sure that you just like watching big men and thinking about their dicks - you even said it yourself you don't watch the game, you just go search videos of big men warming up:



Need me to DM you a hype video before the game Cuck34? ;)

Thinnest skin I have ever seen.

[Saltydog]

The weather may cause us to postpone the Kentucky game. We supposed to get 3-5 inches this weekend- kinda like Tater's wife.

Tomorrow is really a big game

OUCH! That was brutal.

[Extendedcab]

God damn you got me dude. A small dick joke. Whew - original. Big clap. Glad you're thinking about other men's dicks on a basketball thread. The Florida Big Man comment made me suspect it. Now we know for sure that you just like watching big men and thinking about their dicks - you even said it yourself you don't watch the game, you just go search videos of big men warming up:



Need me to DM you a hype video before the game Cuck34? ;)

Your comments/language are highly offensive to those of us who believe in God and the saving grace He has shown to us that are saved. I will now put you on the blocked list so I won?t see this filth again.

[EdwardDrayton]

God damn you got me dude. A small dick joke. Whew - original. Big clap. Glad you're thinking about other men's dicks on a basketball thread. The Florida Big Man comment made me suspect it. Now we know for sure that you just like watching big men and thinking about their dicks - you even said it yourself you don't watch the game, you just go search videos of big men warming up:

Need me to DM you a hype video before the game Cuck34? ;)

LOL!! Tater with the win at the buzzer!!!

[Tater]

Thinnest skin I have ever seen.

? Explain.

[Tater]

Your comments/language are highly offensive to those of us who believe in God and the saving grace He has shown to us that are saved. I will now put you on the blocked list so I won?t see this filth again.

Yes I'm the one who started talking about dicks and other people's wives and them having sex with them. That was me. Guilty. Only me. I'm the only one to block here.

[Pancho]

Ya'll are hilarious

[EdwardDrayton]

Your comments/language are highly offensive to those of us who believe in God and the saving grace He has shown to us that are saved. I will now put you on the blocked list so I won?t see this filth again.

Cab, I get where you're coming from and I know I'm risking treading this ground because it's almost never taken as intended with all brotherly love. But as believers we are all sinners and there are no degrees of sin. As believers, our best approach to accomplishing successfully The Great Commission probably is not with sanctimony. Granted we don't always reflect Him in what we say and do but we walk amongst all people and we do get that opportunity at some point to share and/or reflect our faith. And one thing is for sure; if we separate ourselves from others, we do not get that chance. Just another perspective is all. It is a fine line walking in this world to share our faith and not being consumed by this world. We are not perfect but we are firmly rooted in our faith nonetheless.

[msstate7]

Kentucky and Tenn both down 10 or more at half on road. Tonight is gonna be tough

[LC Dawg]

Kentucky and Tenn both down 10 or more at half on road. Tonight is gonna be tough

Yeah, watching those two games has me a little uneasy. TN with only 15 in the half.

[Coach34]

I do watch games. Was one of the few State fans at the game we played in Dallas. I just havent watched Florida play this season until tonight

[cheewgumm]

Unlike Georgias big man.

He is rough

[EdwardDrayton]

Tennessee having a hauntingly bad game.

[Coach34]

What you are seeing is the depth of the SEC and how damn good it is

[cheewgumm]

Tenn just having a horrid night shooting

[msstate7]

They're carving our defense up. They've missed a couple wide open 3s too

[RockyDog]

Not a good sign when they are letting us get mauled down low and then call that ticky tack shit on Claudell

[msstate7]

Let's get kugel out the game

[RockyDog]

Kugel just earned time on the bench

[MoreCowbell]

? Explain.

Because it is clear that REALLY upset you.

[CaptainObvious]

Kugel blows one layup, the after a steal says i can do better. 3 on 1 break, and he takes it himself leaving 2 guys open and misses another layup. Then he has back to back turnovers on consecutive trips. Boy be clowning tonight!

[MoreCowbell]

Kugel just earned time on the bench

I missed it what happened?

[civildawg]

Hubbard is just off. The 3 he made was banked in and he just air balled one. Feels like he's pressing a little bit

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nwoko playing well early.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We might want to stop leaving the white guys wide open

[RockyDog]

Hubbard is just off. The 3 he made was banked in and he just air balled one. Feels like he's pressing a little bit

And he seems to disappear for long stretches. I know we have more options this year but at some point he has to start taking over with his shot.

[msstate7]

Hubbard is just off. The 3 he made was banked in and he just air balled one. Feels like he's pressing a little bit

Last year, we needed him to shoot at will. We need him to take good shots this season bc he has plenty of help.

[msstate7]

Ok Jans, kugel earned some bench, but get em back out there

[CaptainObvious]

A phantom foul on that 3 pt attempt. Our guy was standing straight up nor even his body touching the shooter.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How many times have they walked tonight? I have counted 4.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kugel needs to sit for the rest of the night. Been awful.

[msstate7]

How many times have they walked tonight? I have counted 4.

I don't know what's a walk anymore. I feel like cam has walked a couple times on drives to the basket too

[HoopsDawg]

Kugel needs to sit for the rest of the night. Been awful.

Nah, he's just not a PG.

[Turfdawg67]

I just sat down to see the game before I go to my hotel and by these comments I was sure we were down by 10 at least.... we're up by 5 - on the road!

[HoopsDawg]

Vandy playing extremely hard and they are well coached.

[msstate7]

Nah, he's just not a PG.

We really need another ball handler whether it's the freshman or clary. We need one

[msstate7]

I just sat down to see the game before I go to my hotel and by these comments I was sure we were down by 10 at least.... we're up by 5 - on the road!

This team has spoiled us... it feels like we losing after destroying good teams

[ScoobaDawg]

31-26 dawgs 3:13 in 1st half left.

[mparkerfd20]

Vandy getting away with a lot of hand checks and fouls

[Thick]

Kugel is 17ing up left & right. Playing like shit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This team has spoiled us... it feels like we losing after destroying good teams

Well I think it is also we have seen how good this team can play. And we are not playing near that level. You obviously will take a win whether by 1 or 31, but it would be nice for us to step on their throat when the opportunity presents itself

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kugel is 17ing up left & right. Playing like shit.

I feel like he has started to press a tad bit. Just not letting the game come to him like earlier in the year.

[mparkerfd20]

Difference this year is even when other teams make a little run we don't completely lose composure.

[HoopsDawg]

Hubbard couldn't score, bad turnovers, on the road, and we are still up 11 at the half.

[mparkerfd20]

11 point lead and doesn't feel like we played that well for that big of a lead. This team can be so so good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good close to the half. Would have loved a stop right there at the end. But we are lethargic, Hubbard is struggling, Kugel has made more plays for them than us, and we are still up 11.

[msstate7]

Difference this year is even when other teams make a little run we don't completely lose composure.

So many run stoppers on this team. Last few years, we only had a couple guys we could count on to score

[msstate7]

Hubbard couldn't score, bad turnovers, on the road, and we are still up 11 at the half.

There's a ton of potential with this team

[RockyDog]

We got some good minutes with Nwoko and Murphy on the floor together. But like somebody above said, we need another ball handler. Even Josh has looked shaky at times bringing up the floor.

[cheewgumm]

They need to sober Kugel up for the 2nd half.

[Cowbell]

Is it just me, or does Vandy seem very poorly coached.

[Cowbell]

So many run stoppers on this team. Last few years, we only had a couple guys we could count on to score

And they all seem to be unselfish. I don't ever remember having that before.

[msstate7]

Cam should be up for the wooden. Does offense for this award only mean scoring?

7.4 ppg
2.5 offensive rebs
4.1 assists

I know he won't be up for the award, but he's a great player that doesn't get the credit he deserves

[LC Dawg]

After watching the early games I'll take the hell out of that half.

[Turfdawg67]

Is it just me, or does Vandy seem very poorly coached.

Nah, just fans not comprehending how we are winning, probably.

[ZedFedder]

We played very average and still are doing well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is it just me, or does Vandy seem very poorly coached.

Just comparing the LSU game to this game, we are taking them out of their offense and you can see it frustrating them.

[ScoobaDawg]

Nah, just fans not comprehending how we are winning, probably.

This....

[HoopsDawg]

Is it just me, or does Vandy seem very poorly coached.

Just you. Incredible turnaround in coaching.

[HoopsDawg]

Good gosh Cam can pass.

[chef dixon]

Vandy is not in our league

[ScoobaDawg]

Dawgs up 16 . 16:22 left

[msstate7]

We getting mugged with no calls. They trying to help em

[RockyDog]

This prep school team doesn’t know what hit em

[cheewgumm]

We getting mugged with no calls. They trying to help em



We are made for this.

The rougher the better.

[HoopsDawg]

This team... i need to see the UK game...but we might be really good.

[LC Dawg]

Nwoko giving us a tough inside presence tonight is big. Him continuing to improve will be huge for us.

[HoopsDawg]

We getting mugged with no calls. They trying to help em

I'll take it though. Any game officiated like this is to our advantage.

[cheewgumm]

We are not playing particularly well, imo.

Just too athletic for them.

[msstate7]

This team... i need to see the UK game...but we might be really good.

If we can't beat em with this team at our house, we might never beat em again.

[1eyedog]

I’m old, but this team looks better than the ray white, Gary Hooker, Wiley peck teams......and they literally got screwed out of the tournament .......those guys were that good......and this team is better.....

[msstate7]

Nwoko giving us a tough inside presence tonight is big. Him continuing to improve will be huge for us.

He had a terrible line Saturday, so I am thrilled to see he's playing well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We have them pressing now. They are panicking when they actually get an open shot. We need to land the kill shot and put this one away. We have them teetering.

[cheewgumm]

These refs are horrible

[msstate7]

This lineup isn't working

[HoopsDawg]

Trying to buy minutes with Cam on the bench is always scary

[StarkVegasSteve]

I cannot remember Hubbard ever struggling this much.

[RockyDog]

Shoulda called a TO and stop waiting for the official stop. They got tired and sloppy for a stretch

[msstate7]

Hubbard and kugel have been terrible, and were up 18. This is just unreal. Now I wanna see both finish strong... I wanna at least see kugel do something that doesn't resemble taking a dive

[HoopsDawg]

This lineup isn't working

Thank goodness for the tv timeout. Weird combination on the floor with no Cam, RJ or Nwoko.

[RockyDog]

If we can't beat em with this team at our house, we might never beat em again.

Will be the first time we have played them in a long time where we aren’t scared of their head coach

[EdwardDrayton]

I cannot remember Hubbard ever struggling this much.

^^^^^^^

[msstate7]

Now we have zero ball handlers on the court

[RockyDog]

Jans so pissed off af Kugel that he cost us an easy dunk

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kugel needs to sit for the night. He will cost us this one. I mean this thing was over and we took Matthews out. Now it is 13 and we have no offense.

[msstate7]

Jans, wake the f up! You can't use that lineup vs a swac school much less sec

[EdwardDrayton]

Kugel is killin' me.

[Tater]

Because it is clear that REALLY upset you.

Someone coming back with a detailed joke doesn't mean they're upset. Leaving the kitchen would be being thin skinned and upset where I'm from. Whatever, we can disagree on interpretation.

Anyways. Kugel needs to be benched the rest of the night unfortunately. Playing 4 on 9. Pressing. Sneak out with the win tonight and he'll have a huge game saturday night.

[msstate7]

Kugel needs to sit for the night. He will cost us this one. I mean this thing was over and we took Matthews out. Now it is 13 and we have no offense.

Kugel has sucked, but he isn't a ball handler. Jans got vandy back in the game using a lineup without a ball handler

[HoopsDawg]

Jans so pissed off af Kugel that he cost us an easy dunk

Jans let them back in the game. That's twice he's sat Cam and Hubbard at the same time. He doesn't normally do that

[msstate7]

Clary or Warren being available/stepping up is becoming absolutely vital. When cam sits, we have no one currently to handle the ball

[Thick]

He?s pushing off with his off hand just trying to get the ball across half court.

[CaptainObvious]

Frankly, watching Kugel's reactions and his lackadaisical play, I believe he may have an acute case of Moultrie Knee!

[RockyDog]

Gotta put in Cam, Harris, Melendez and Hubbard in for the rest of the game and implore Josh to shoot himself out of his slump

[msstate7]

Still no cam. Uh oh

[msstate7]

Still no cam. Uh oh

Ok, 3 fouls. Screw it, play him

[HoopsDawg]

Is Cam hurt?

[msstate7]

Is Cam hurt?

3 fouls. Just dumb to sit him for that long imo

[HoopsDawg]

Ok, 3 fouls. Screw it, play him

Finally. You get 5. If he fouls out, so be it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

3 fouls. Just dumb to sit him for that long imo

Well when you were up 20 and cruising you did not need him. Unfortunately we now need him.

[Tater]

**** this court set up

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are trying to give them this one.

[Tater]

******* Cam. Not you too. ****ing team fell in quicksand. Even hubbard's missed FTs smh.

[msstate7]

Melendez may be our 3rd best ball handler

[msu15]

So sick of watching Cam trying to make plays for others in the half court. It always ends poorly

[Tater]

Melendez with a decent drive and Murphy with the perfect TV timeout volleyball spike. Chew their ass Jans and let's get the lead back to 20.

[msstate7]

Well when you were up 20 and cruising you did not need him. Unfortunately we now need him.

Push it to 25/30 and end it

[HoopsDawg]

**** this court set up

Hubbard agrees with you

[StarkVegasSteve]

******* Cam. Not you too. ****ing team fell in quicksand. Even hubbard's missed FTs smh.

Cam is still not very good offensively. He just is what he is at this point. He can bring the ball up and if he has a wide open lane he can dunk it. Outside of that, you really need to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Let?s just get out of here with a win and move forward.

[EdwardDrayton]

12-14 from the line. Hope that's the beginning of a trend.

[HoopsDawg]

Cam is still not very good offensively. He just is what he is at this point. He can bring the ball up and if he has a wide open lane he can dunk it. Outside of that, you really need to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible.

Wut?!? lol.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Push it to 25/30 and end it

I am afraid this will be a 6-12 point game the rest of the way. We just have looked unmotivated and lethargic all night outside of a couple of runs in the 1st half.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wut?!? lol.

I mean would you say Cam is one of our 5 best offensive players? He is not. That does not make him a bad player. He just is not a very good scorer outside of 6 ft.

[HoopsDawg]

Jans could have taken a to there and saved the possession

[RockyDog]

Bout to choke this game away

[mparkerfd20]

They putting in extra work to get Vandy back in this. Such bullshit

[Tater]

Jesus ****

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jans could have taken a to there and saved the possession

He tried. They did not give it to us.

[msstate7]

I hope Jans learns from this. You can't treat sec teams like trash teams. He went like 5 mins without a ball handler on the court.

[HoopsDawg]

Oh crap. Here come the refs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We were up 22. We are going to lose a game we were up 22.

[CaptainObvious]

This is a coaching failure. Bad combinations on the floor.

[civildawg]

wtf are we doing? So sloppy

[RockyDog]

Don’t even know what we are doing on offense this half. Ugly as hell

[mparkerfd20]

Refs better get this shit under control

[civildawg]

Call a TO Jan's, holy crap

[StarkVegasSteve]

Can they please get the midget off our players. He is literally hanging on them.

[civildawg]

We are just out of control and Jans hasn't taken a TO the whole game

[Dawgology]

Can they please get the midget off our players. He is literally hanging on them.

This. It’s f’n blatant as hell and they are letting it happen

[mparkerfd20]

Worst officiating of the year. We haven't done ourselves any favor but good Lord.

[RockyDog]

Janstastic loss incoming. Horrible coaching since halftime

[HoopsDawg]

I hope Jans learns from this. You can't treat sec teams like trash teams. He went like 5 mins without a ball handler on the court.

Jans has not had a good floor game at all.

[EdwardDrayton]

We are trying to give them this one.

Yep.

[msstate7]

If we lose this one, the season will probably unravel

[msu15]

And some on here think we're going to win at Auburn lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

We had a chance to step on their throat and let it pass. Now we are in a dog fight and cannot play Kugel. So we basically are rolling with the 5 currently on the court.

[HoopsDawg]

Refs better get this shit under control

Cam is getting felony mugged.

[msstate7]

We had a chance to step on their throat and let it pass. Now we are in a dog fight and cannot play Kugel. So we basically are rolling with the 5 currently on the court.

I hope we do roll with our starters

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we lose this one, the season will probably unravel

I mean Kentucky lost by double digits at UGA and Tennessee, the number one team in the country, lost by 30. It will be disappointing to blow a huge lead, but our season is not over with a loss. I tried to tell people this weekend that winning on the road in this conference is going to be like winning 2.

[Apoplectic]

he?ll hubbard and kugel walking around with their dix in the hand instead of playing aggressive. both look like they too cool to sweat

[CaptainObvious]

Oh crap. Here come the refs. it is physical game and right now State is intimidated by Vandy physical play. You can't have Hubbard and Cam struggling with ball handling. Melendez is a role player and State is relying on him to produce all the scoring. Nwoko couldn't score if they let him stand on a ladder in front of the goal.

Just gotta get out of here with a win even if by 2

[HoopsDawg]

Damn it Jans. Call a TO. You are right in front of the ref.

[msstate7]

Let the shot clock run out, then call the jump ball

[civildawg]

Man we better get some home cooking Saturday with the way this game has been called

[mparkerfd20]

Nice response after the timeout

[Tater]

And some on here think we're going to win at Auburn lol

I'm huffing the most on the board and even I had us losing that one

[HoopsDawg]

Let's fn go!

[msstate7]

Don't you dare let up now! I want to win by 15

[StarkVegasSteve]

Two big defensive stops. Need two more.

[RockyDog]

Cam and Harris need to take over this team. Big juevos to double the lead

[Tater]

I'd be more like to go to a strip club if I could reach in like Vandy without getting whistled****

[Tater]

Man we better get some home cooking Saturday with the way this game has been called

Against Kentucky. Funny

[CaptainObvious]

Now use 25 seconds and score or get to the FT line.

[msstate7]

Why didn't they foul cam for 1 and 1?

[Tater]

Why didn't they foul cam for 1 and 1?

Wasn't 1 and 1 yet. We weren't in the bonus lmao. Unless you mean the 1:10 foul which he just got it away too quick

[StarkVegasSteve]

“Whistled for a foul and could have easily been a tie up.”

Hey hoss, Murphy had the ball under his chin tucked like a RB running 22 power at the goal line. That is a foul 10 times out of 10.

[1eyedog]

Over. the years......Vandy at home would be a bunch of fouls and Vandy at the free throw line for the win.......any win at Vandy in Bball is a good win....

[msstate7]

Wasn't 1 and 1 yet. We weren't in the bonus lmao. Unless you mean the 1:10 foul which he just got it away too quick

I'm talking about the trap they had him in. Thought they had 6 fouls

[StarkVegasSteve]

Now we need to make damn FTs.

[EdwardDrayton]

“Whistled for a foul and could have easily been a tie up.”

Hey hoss, Murphy had the ball under his chin tucked like a RB running 22 power at the goal line. That is a foul 10 times out of 10.

Murph was expecting the auto call and so wasn't trying to wrestle the ball. Terrible job by the refs there.

[HoopsDawg]

Quad 1 Win!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Damn Matthews gives them points with the clock stopped. Just stupid. Which kind of describes our night.

[EdwardDrayton]

We gotta play better Saturday.

[Tater]

Maroon White chant on the road. Love it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Murph was expecting the auto call and so wasn't trying to wrestle the ball. Terrible job by the refs there.

Another theme of tonight.

[Tater]

I'm talking about the trap they had him in. Thought they had 6 fouls

No we were at 5 lol. This team played 19 minutes and only drew 5 fouls. Insanity

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maroon White chant on the road. Love it.

Let’s start it once this thing is officially wrapped up. Still feeling a little uneasy. Maybe it is just the Memorial Gym nightmares of previous trips

[StarkVegasSteve]

No we were at 5 lol. This team played 19 minutes and only drew 5 fouls. Insanity

Hell at one point we were at 8 and they were at 2.

[Tater]

“Whistled for a foul and could have easily been a tie up.”

Hey hoss, Murphy had the ball under his chin tucked like a RB running 22 power at the goal line. That is a foul 10 times out of 10.

He had that ball tucked so well, I've seen more orange on an apple.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thank god for Melendez and Harris down the stretch.

[mparkerfd20]

Damn good win

[BeardoMSU]

Double digit win on the road! ****in' A!

[ScoobaDawg]

14-1 best start since 03-04 team. dawgs win again by 12.

[msstate7]

Auburn has let Texas back in it

[StarkVegasSteve]

We won a game ON THE ROAD where Hubbard had 9 points and Kugel had 0 points. Finding different ways to win is this teams best strength.

[HoopsDawg]

And Cam didn't pick up his 4th foul until 40 seconds left in the game. Jans is too conservative on fouls.

[CaptainObvious]

Hail State

[HoopsDawg]

We won a game ON THE ROAD where Hubbard had 9 points and Kugel had 0 points. Finding different ways to win is this teams best strength.

RJ, Harris, and Cam were outstanding.

[BeardoMSU]

We won a game ON THE ROAD where Hubbard had 9 points and Kugel had 0 points. Finding different ways to win is this teams best strength.

This is insane. Our depth is so damn good. How many games would we've lost so far with the offense of the last few years? Serious, this team is ELITE.

[msstate7]

And Cam didn't pick up his 4th foul until 40 seconds left in the game. Jans is too conservative on fouls.

If he's trying to steal mins there, I wish he woulda used Warren.

[Tater]

This is a team Howland would have lost. Hell we mostly expected to lose it there at the end. Jans is a culture changer. We don't rely on one guy to carry. We've got 8 different guys that can takeover a game on any given night.

This win punctuates us being a top 15 team. A win saturday and you can't deny we're top 10. Everything in front of us.

[DawgFromOxford]

Always a big deal to win on the road. Obviously some things to clean up but thats a solid Q1 win

[Tater]

For all the bitching doom and gloom (myself included) during the mid 2nd half collapse....

ESPN never had our win probability drop below 80% and Vandy never got within one score.

[NCMSTFAN]

We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.

[HoopsDawg]

We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.

Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.

[LC Dawg]

We could have done a lot of things better but #1, and #6 lost on the road tonight so I'll definitely take it. I'm not sure what is going on with Clary but if he's not going to be back soon I would like to see Warren when we are up by 20.
We need another ball handler.

[HoopsDawg]

Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.

And Kugel has to play with high energy and stay locked in. I'm sure it's tough not seeing the floor until the 13 minute mark but he needs to stay unselfish.

[NCMSTFAN]

Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.

I agree with you, and as bad as Kugel played tonight we know what he is capable of doing and we will need him going forward. When he is on he is tough for anyone to stop. Sometimes he looks uninterested but I think that's just his personality

[NCMSTFAN]

We could have done a lot of things better but #1, and #6 lost on the road tonight so I'll definitely take it. I'm not sure what is going on with Clary but if he's not going to be back soon I would like to see Warren when we are up by 20.
We need another ball handler.

It doesn't seem like Jans fully trusts Warren yet, I'm not sure when we get Clary back so until then Kugel and Cam will have to help with ball handling duties. Let's be honest, until tonight Kugel was doing a pretty good job running some back up point considering that's not his natural position, but we do need a healthy Clary back and I hope to see him soon.

[LC Dawg]

We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.

I would also include Nwoko in that. He was very physical tonight and we needed that.

[HoopsDawg]

I agree with you, and as bad as Kugel played tonight we know what he is capable of doing and we will need him going forward. When he is on he is tough for anyone to stop. Sometimes he looks uninterested but I think that's just his personality

Usually Cam runs point forward but he was on the bench with 3.

Vandy wisely pressed every time Hubbard was on the bench. That coach is going to be a problem.

[NCMSTFAN]

I would also include Nwoko in that. He was very physical tonight and we needed that.

Agreed, I like Nwoko.. he is athletic, has some size and has good intangibles. He isn't the bruiser type big man that we have had but he brings enough athleticism, size and hard work that he contributes. He is still young also and can develop into good SEC big as long as he continues to work hard.

[NCMSTFAN]

Usually Cam runs point forward but he was on the bench with 3.

Vandy wisely pressed every time Hubbard was on the bench. That coach is going to be a problem.

True and Jans chose not to go with Warren so that kind of tells you he isn't ready for prime time just yet. Harris and Melendez can also bring the ball up some so again, we are lucky to have the depth we do this year but we could definitely use Clary soon.

Yes they have a pretty dang good coach, Vandy went 9-23 last year and are already 13-2 this year with some solid wins under this coach, he won alot at JMU also. The SEC is going to be very scary for years to come

[CaptainObvious]

With Kugel so disengaged tonight. I wonder if he is going to be our sulking violet. Or maybe his girlfriend left him and his dog died. Something was very off from the minute he entered the game.

[Todd4State]

This is a team Howland would have lost. Hell we mostly expected to lose it there at the end. Jans is a culture changer. We don't rely on one guy to carry. We've got 8 different guys that can takeover a game on any given night.

This win punctuates us being a top 15 team. A win saturday and you can't deny we're top 10. Everything in front of us.

I think MSU fans were haunted by that game against Vanderbilt where they had that dude that literally could not miss and led them to a big comeback a few years ago.

[StarkVegasSteve]

With Kugel so disengaged tonight. I wonder if he is going to be our sulking violet. Or maybe his girlfriend left him and his dog died. Something was very off from the minute he entered the game.

That is going to be Kugel some nights. Jans probably waited a little too long to get him in and let him get in the flow of the game too. I felt like he was pressing trying to speed his way into the game.

[Tater]

I think MSU fans were haunted by that game against Vanderbilt where they had that dude that literally could not miss and led them to a big comeback a few years ago.

That game is old enough to drive at this point. ****ing Shan Foster hit 4 3s in the final 45 seconds of 4th/OT and we lost by 1 in OT iirc.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That game is old enough to drive at this point. ****ing Shan Foster hit 4 3s in the final 45 seconds of 4th/OT and we lost by 1 in OT iirc.

That was the stupidest damn game. We should have won the thing like 3 times. Memorial Gym was a graveyard for our teams in those days. Never won there.

[RockyDog]

This is insane. Our depth is so damn good. How many games would we've lost so far with the offense of the last few years? Serious, this team is ELITE.

Another eye opening stat line is we scored 76 points on only 57 shots. 57 shots were a high number for Jans's previous couple of teams and we were reeling off about 55 points per game. Vandy did a pretty good job slowing our offense down and we also got out rebounded for the first time in a while. I hope we get some adrenaline going when Big Blue comes in the building and we get 30 point Josh back on Saturday.

[ZedFedder]

Can we just acknowledge how nice it is to win by 14 on the road in the SEC against a one loss team and still feel we played subpar? This team is really good, and we as fans need to enjoy this year because you never know what next year holds.

[tcdog70]

I do watch games. Was one of the few State fans at the game we played in Dallas. I just havent watched Florida play this season until tonight

wish we could have signed South Pike's Martin --The Gators got a good one

[tcdog70]

I?m old, but this team looks better than the ray white, Gary Hooker, Wiley peck teams......and they literally got screwed out of the tournament .......those guys were that good......and this team is better.....

Ricky Brown and Greg Grimm also---might have been our best team.

[tcdog70]

Wut?!? lol.

wonder how Cam gets those assist. He is so terrible with the ball. What a bad take--I want Cam with the ball-He puts extreme pressure on the opponent. He sets up everybody for easy baskets.

[tcdog70]

I mean would you say Cam is one of our 5 best offensive players? He is not. That does not make him a bad player. He just is not a very good scorer outside of 6 ft.

your basketball IQ is very low.

[RockyDog]

your basketball IQ is very low.

wut? He's not saying anything wrong. When was the last time you can recall Cam taking a jump shot? There's nothing wrong with his play AT ALL, but it's not inaccurate to say he's not an offensive player.

[StarkVegasSteve]

your basketball IQ is very low.

It is actually extremely high. I look at things from more than just an effort level. The kid gives max effort and tries really hard and is an above average to elite defender. He is however a below average offensive player. He cannot score outside 5 ft, he lacks the ability to create a shot(mostly because he has little shooting ability), and when he is pressured he tends to panic and is prone to turnovers.

That takes nothing away from his athleticism and his defense. He has more athleticism than any of us could gain in 10 lifetimes. But I do know that from 12 ft and out I could outshoot him any day of the week. He is a more athletic and slightly less offense version of Tony Allen.

Also you did not answer the question: Is Cam Matthews one of our 5 best offensive players? If he is who do you have him in front of? I mean my rankings would be Hubbard, Kugel, Melendez, Harris, Clary(when healthy), Murphy, Jones, Warren, Matthews, Nwoko. Do you think he is better than Clary or Murphy?

[msstate7]

wut? He's not saying anything wrong. When was the last time you can recall Cam taking a jump shot? There's nothing wrong with his play AT ALL, but it's not inaccurate to say he's not an offensive player.

Assists and offensive rebs are offensive stats.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Assists and offensive rebs are offensive stats.

No doubt. Unfortunately you do not get points for those. And you need points to win.

[smootness]

It is actually extremely high. I look at things from more than just an effort level. The kid gives max effort and tries really hard and is an above average to elite defender. He is however a below average offensive player. He cannot score outside 5 ft, he lacks the ability to create a shot(mostly because he has little shooting ability), and when he is pressured he tends to panic and is prone to turnovers.

That takes nothing away from his athleticism and his defense. He has more athleticism than any of us could gain in 10 lifetimes. But I do know that from 12 ft and out I could outshoot him any day of the week. He is a more athletic and slightly less offense version of Tony Allen.

Also you did not answer the question: Is Cam Matthews one of our 5 best offensive players? If he is who do you have him in front of? I mean my rankings would be Hubbard, Kugel, Melendez, Harris, Clary(when healthy), Murphy, Jones, Warren, Matthews, Nwoko. Do you think he is better than Clary or Murphy?

Putting Matthews below Shawn Jones in offensive ability is genuinely one of the most insane things I have ever read on this board.

Everyone knows his limitations, but what he does have is the ability to drive the basket and use his size and athleticism to score. He is by no means elite at it, but that is definitely a skill he possesses. And what he has better than anyone on our team is excellent court vision and very good passing ability. No, he is not a good jump shooter, and he is not perfect as a ball handler, but equating that completely to offensive ability is dumb.

Matthews absolutely helps make our offense go. He helps create at least 5-6 easy buckets every game, and that is hugely valuable.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Putting Matthews below Shawn Jones in offensive ability is genuinely one of the most insane things I have ever read on this board.

Everyone knows his limitations, but what he does have is the ability to drive the basket and use his size and athleticism to score. He is by no means elite at it, but that is definitely a skill he possesses. And what he has better than anyone on our team is excellent court vision and very good passing ability. No, he is not a good jump shooter, and he is not perfect as a ball handler, but equating that completely to offensive ability is dumb.

Matthews absolutely helps make our offense go. He helps create at least 5-6 easy buckets every game, and that is hugely valuable.

I guess I put more of an emphasis on being able to score outside of 6 ft. Therefore Jones is higher in my ranking. If we need a guy to run 90 mph down the floor like Derrick Henry and dunk it, Cam Matthews is our guy. If I got to have one stop and I need to put someone on the other teams best player, Cam Matthews is our guy. But if I need to a guy to make 2 threes, go 5/7 from the FT line, and get me contested buckets, Cam Matthews is on down the list.

You can rank him however high you want to. I tend to skew a little more NBA type or how does his game translate. Therefore I rank Matthews low on offensive ability because he will not play in the NBA outside of getting brought up here and there from a G League team.

And like I said, this is strictly offensive ability. Not the 5 best players all around on the team.

[Rawdawg]

Cam Mathews is a top 10 player in college basketball. His ability to distribute, offensive rebound, get steals leading to transition baskets etc all factor into offense.

http://evanmiya.com/

[StarkVegasSteve]

Cam Mathews is a top 10 player in college basketball. His ability to distribute, offensive rebound, get steals leading to transition baskets etc all factor into offense.

http://evanmiya.com/

I literally only specifically mentioned offense. Actually said he is the guy I want guarding the best player at the end of the game. Those rankings are factoring in defense. Of which I think he is very good to elite

[Tater]

Steve seems to be talking more hooping / 1on1 offensive talents which Shawn Jones is better at.

In college basketball Cam Matthews is better at offense than Jones though.

It's similar saying Gardner Minshew is better on offense for the Raiders than Brock Bowers because Minshew scores more points. Just not the right way to view it imo.

[SmokeyDawg]

I literally only specifically mentioned offense. Actually said he is the guy I want guarding the best player at the end of the game. Those rankings are factoring in defense. Of which I think he is very good to elite

Offense is more than scoring. You're arguing he isn't a scorer.
He's 6th on the team scoring, 1st in offensive rebounds, 1st in assists.
All offensive stats.

Also 1st in turnovers, we need a ball handler to be available and ready

[Pancho]

glad that's over. is it over?

[Coach34]

Break it down like this:

If Jones didnt play another minute this season? We would be just fine and probably not miss him

If we lost Cam? It would hurt us alot

[BigDawg81]

Cam Mathews is a top 10 player in college basketball. His ability to distribute, offensive rebound, get steals leading to transition baskets etc all factor into offense.

http://evanmiya.com/
Cam is a player that wouldn?t score double digits every game but can win you games. Also, he can elevate the players around him.

[smootness]

I guess I put more of an emphasis on being able to score outside of 6 ft. Therefore Jones is higher in my ranking. If we need a guy to run 90 mph down the floor like Derrick Henry and dunk it, Cam Matthews is our guy. If I got to have one stop and I need to put someone on the other teams best player, Cam Matthews is our guy. But if I need to a guy to make 2 threes, go 5/7 from the FT line, and get me contested buckets, Cam Matthews is on down the list.

You can rank him however high you want to. I tend to skew a little more NBA type or how does his game translate. Therefore I rank Matthews low on offensive ability because he will not play in the NBA outside of getting brought up here and there from a G League team.

And like I said, this is strictly offensive ability. Not the 5 best players all around on the team.

Jones is no better than Cam outside of 6 feet.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jones is no better than Cam outside of 6 feet.

In 3 years Shawn Jones is 36-133 for a 27% 3 pt percentage. He has 42% overall FG percentage. Cam Matthews in 4 years is 19-96 from 3 for a 19.8% 3 pt percentage. Therefore, Jones is better.

Like I said, y'all can think what you want. I value shot making ability. He doesn't have that. If the game is on the line, I don't want the ball in his hands. Period. That has nothing to do with his defense, his dribbling, his passing, etc. It has to do with his shooting. Plain and Simple. I'm sure there are metrics that you can pull up that make him a good offensive player, but good offensive players translate to the next level. He doesn't. Not in this era. The guy is Rodman. And Rodman wouldn't get on the floor in today's NBA. If this was 1992, Cam Matthews would be a lottery pick despite the fact that he can't shoot outside of 6 ft.

[smootness]

In 3 years Shawn Jones is 36-133 for a 27% 3 pt percentage. He has 42% overall FG percentage. Cam Matthews in 4 years is 19-96 from 3 for a 19.8% 3 pt percentage. Therefore, Jones is better.

Like I said, y'all can think what you want. I value shot making ability. He doesn't have that. If the game is on the line, I don't want the ball in his hands. Period. That has nothing to do with his defense, his dribbling, his passing, etc. It has to do with his shooting. Plain and Simple. I'm sure there are metrics that you can pull up that make him a good offensive player, but good offensive players translate to the next level. He doesn't. Not in this era. The guy is Rodman. And Rodman wouldn't get on the floor in today's NBA. If this was 1992, Cam Matthews would be a lottery pick despite the fact that he can't shoot outside of 6 ft.

Matthews definitely has more offensive ability than Rodman.

And who cares about the difference between 19% and 27%. Neither should ever shoot a jump shot. That stat actually proves my main frustration with Jones - he shoots way too many 3?s. Matthews has taken far fewer shots over far more minutes, because he knows that is not his game. So his shot selection is also better than Jones. Another one in Cam?s favor.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Matthews definitely has more offensive ability than Rodman.

And who cares about the difference between 19% and 27%. Neither should ever shoot a jump shot. That stat actually proves my main frustration with Jones - he shoots way too many 3?s. Matthews has taken far fewer shots over far more minutes, because he knows that is not his game. So his shot selection is also better than Jones. Another one in Cam?s favor.

So you are comparing Matthews to the number 7 guy, who is better than Matthews.

The fact that you think he is near Rodman, a 17 HALL OF FAMER, is gd laughable. Our fans view of Cam Matthews is just 17 stupid. He is a good college defensive player. That is it. Settle the 17 down with this crap. Some of you need to watch another college game outside of ours.

[SPMT]

So you are comparing Matthews to the number 7 guy, who is better than Matthews.

The fact that you think he is near Rodman, a 17 HALL OF FAMER, is gd laughable. Our fans view of Cam Matthews is just 17 stupid. He is a good college defensive player. That is it. Settle the 17 down with this crap. Some of you need to watch another college game outside of ours.

Fact. Nothing else needs to be said.

[Pancho]

not many humans exist who could tote Rodmans jock

[NCMSTFAN]

So you are comparing Matthews to the number 7 guy, who is better than Matthews.

The fact that you think he is near Rodman, a 17 HALL OF FAMER, is gd laughable. Our fans view of Cam Matthews is just 17 stupid. He is a good college defensive player. That is it. Settle the 17 down with this crap. Some of you need to watch another college game outside of ours.

While I pretty much agree with most of what you said, you can't just say he is only a good college defensive player and that is it. That's not it, you have to factor in his rebounding, assists, steals and to be honest his leadership. He leads the team in assist, field goal %, steals and is 2nd in rebounding, that alone says he's not just a defensive player.

[smootness]

So you are comparing Matthews to the number 7 guy, who is better than Matthews.

The fact that you think he is near Rodman, a 17 HALL OF FAMER, is gd laughable. Our fans view of Cam Matthews is just 17 stupid. He is a good college defensive player. That is it. Settle the 17 down with this crap. Some of you need to watch another college game outside of ours.

I said OFFENSIVELY. He is a much better passer and ball handler than Rodman ever was.

Is he better than Rodman overall? Of course not. Rodman is the absolute easy GOAT rebounder and among them defensively. No, Matthews is not close to Rodman in those categories.