Allstate Insurance

[Pancho]

My agent has received my text concerning Allstate not aligning with certain viewpoints. I am looking into a more American provider now.

[AROB44]

I thought Allstate was an American company. What did I miss?

[DownwardDawg]

What is this about??

[Pancho]

Did you see the all state commercial special made for the sugar bowl?

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's in regards to the Allstate message before the Sugar Bowl. He basically was calling out Americans and making it sound like their fault that some crazed brain washed ISIS lunatic committed an act of terror on Tuesday night. Said Americans need to "overcome their addiction to divisiveness" and "accept people's differences". It was a god awful message and whoever told him to put that out should be fired on the damn spot. I can't believe there wasn't a hand raise guy somewhere along the chain of command for that message that wasn't like, "Hey guys, maybe let's not do this. Maybe let's just say our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and the city of New Orleans and will be in the weeks and months to come." Literally the easiest statement to make.

[Pancho]

AllState is losing customers as we speak.

[Pancho]

They tell us to keep politics out of sports and enjoy it but with ESPN and now this woke all state commercial, they are shoving a political stance down our throats.

[StarkVegasSteve]

My agent has received my text concerning Allstate not aligning with certain viewpoints. I am looking into a more American provider now.

I'm not sure your agent should really be getting the wrath on that one. I doubt he was consulted on the messaging before it went out. I'm sure he probably was like 85% of all the other people who sell Allstate. They probably all said, "Oh 17. This is going to cost me some business."

[DownwardDawg]

Did you see the all state commercial special made for the sugar bowl?

No. I did not. At work so I just glanced at the game when I could. Never paid attention to the commercials. TV in my office was muted.

[Coach34]

Sux for the local guys- but the only way to make these people understand is to cost them business. Bud Light learned their lesson. Others are as well.

[Santiago]

It's in regards to the Allstate message before the Sugar Bowl. He basically was calling out Americans and making it sound like their fault that some crazed brain washed ISIS lunatic committed an act of terror on Tuesday night. Said Americans need to "overcome their addiction to divisiveness" and "accept people's differences". It was a god awful message and whoever told him to put that out should be fired on the damn spot. I can't believe there wasn't a hand raise guy somewhere along the chain of command for that message that wasn't like, "Hey guys, maybe let's not do this. Maybe let's just say our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and the city of New Orleans and will be in the weeks and months to come." Literally the easiest statement to make.

I totally agree. It causes speculation also, the group think in their company that no one did raise their hand. It looks like that line of thinking is so strong in their leadership, that anyone that might have wanted to raise their hand did not out of fear of their job.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Switch to Farm Bureau if you?re in MS

Best insurance money can buy and won?t grieve you to death if god forbid you need to use it.

[DEDawg]

What is this about??

They bud light themselves. It was less on the nose, but a much more serious topic.

[Extendedcab]

Or Nationwide!!!

[Johnson85]

I totally agree. It causes speculation also, the group think in their company that no one did raise their hand. It looks like that line of thinking is so strong in their leadership, that anyone that might have wanted to raise their hand did not out of fear of their job.

Yup. Just coming up with that statement was a colossal 17-up. What kind of person sees that there is a terrorist tack by somebody brainwashed with ISIS propaganda and has the immediate reaction of "Damn americans and their addiction to divisiveness" or that the terrorist killed 14 people because Americans are unwilling to accept people's imperfections and differences. That said, smart and competent people say and do stupid things all the time and the stupidity in proposing this statement is forgiveable. But having a culture where this was vetted and everybody was either too scared or similarly stupid is a colossal leadership failure. The board should immediately do an investigation as to how this statement made it onto the air.

[Commercecomet24]

Yup. Just coming up with that statement was a colossal 17-up. What kind of person sees that there is a terrorist tack by somebody brainwashed with ISIS propaganda and has the immediate reaction of "Damn americans and their addiction to divisiveness" or that the terrorist killed 14 people because Americans are unwilling to accept people's imperfections and differences. That said, smart and competent people say and do stupid things all the time and the stupidity in proposing this statement is forgiveable. But having a culture where this was vetted and everybody was either too scared or similarly stupid is a colossal leadership failure. The board should immediately do an investigation as to how this statement made it onto the air.

Excellent rational post! Yeah someone gonna have to fall on the sword for that one. The idea should've been shotdown pretty quick but I'm guessing one of the big dogs came up with the idea and everyone was to scared to challenge it.

[Todd4State]

Why not say prayers and condolences to the family members who lost loved ones in the tragic incident on Bourbon St. on New Year's Day?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why not say prayers and condolences to the family members who lost loved ones in the tragic incident on Bourbon St. on New Year's Day?

Because they didn't have a hand raise guy to say, "Hey guys, this statement is stupid as shit and is going to negatively affect our bottom line. Maybe just go with a boilerplate statement and say we're starting a relief fund for victims families and donating 1 million dollars to it".

A little off topic, but I'll be very interested to see the class action lawsuit that inevitably comes out of this. Any insurance company is going to deny a claim due to it being an act of terrorism so it will end up in court.

[viverlibre]

I totally agree. It causes speculation also, the group think in their company that no one did raise their hand. It looks like that line of thinking is so strong in their leadership, that anyone that might have wanted to raise their hand did not out of fear of their job.

The "yes" culture has permiated the military and governmental agencies. I suspect the same for corp. America. Two main reasons, top leaders don't create a culture of wanting subordinates to speak up and "careerism."

[Pancho]

The City of NOLA will be sued to kingdom come

[SteelCurtain74]

Well, this is the company that has a mascot of "Mayhem" so not surprised. Heads will need to roll but it probably won't be the idiot that made the statement. Some underling will get blamed and shown the door.

[viverlibre]

The City of NOLA will be sued to kingdom come

The mechanical bollards they are installing on Bourbon Street are a PITA. I've been responsible for repairing/maintaining them at military bases, the are out of service a lot. The old fashioned bollards that fit in hole (with a padlock) are far and away better. One average sized man can remove and replace them easily. Whatever LE officer assigned to that beat would have the key and be responsible for them.

[Cooterpoot]

Well, don't eat ChicFilA chicken then

[Pancho]

Seems the customers have gotten the message loud and clear. What will the allstate dei group do now?

[Churchill]

I'm insured with Allstate and I recently (4/09/24) had marginal hail damage in Madison. Five different roofing companies told me that if I wasn't with Allstate they would pursue a claim but they really thought we would be wasting our time trying to deal with Allstate. This is a 100% true story. I was already changing at renewal in 30 days without this other stuff.

[Pancho]

These local agents will feel it in the pocketbook but there is no alternative in this case.

[Tater]

Sux for the local guys- but the only way to make these people understand is to cost them business. Bud Light learned their lesson. Others are as well.

Just chiming in with an extremely loud incorrect buzzer.

BUD the year and a half before the commercial had stock price fluctuation from $44 to $67 (with the peak week of $67 being right when the commercial was released, which had more to do with hedge funds making money against the general public). BUD the year and a half after the commercial has had price fluctuation between $49 and $68 with the peak week being May this year though it did scrape $66 right during the start of NFL playoffs last season.

AB InBev owns more than Bud Light. It was hilarious to see people boycott Bud Light by going to Michelob, Miller, Modelo, etc. People have no idea who actually owns which beer anymore and the point is it's gotten so murky that AB owned all 3 of those at different points (yes i know they sold miller to Coors - but do you? does the general public know?). Boycotting AB would take someone just boycotting beer altogether to be safe which obviously wasn't happening. Bud Light was back in the hands of people spouting to boycott it less than 6 months later (Kid Rock being the most notable).

It's like if someone was mad and wanted to boycott the Pepsi Kardashian girl commercial, they would have to boycott eating doritos, cheetos, lays, and quaker oats too.

Or if you think Nestle's water bottling practices are abhorrent then you'd have to stop getting gerber for your baby and purina for your fur baby.

If this sounds exhausting, that's the point. Americans have lost the ability to truly boycott big brands by having an illusion of choice.

AllState and Progressive largest shareholders are the same group: Vanguard. Was this a calculated decision thinking that they wanted to buy up more AllState stock in a month when they sell off the boom Progressive will see? People will forget about this in six months and AllState will rebound. People forgot about how little they donate for the good hands program and just ignored when they stopped showing the number after they were shamed on how low it is.

But hey what do I know, I'm not a genius message board poster who thinks "Bud Light" is the one who needed a lesson learned by switching to Modelo.

[Pancho]

good for them. thx for the prognosticating

[viverlibre]

I'm insured with Allstate and I recently (4/09/24) had marginal hail damage in Madison. Five different roofing companies told me that if I wasn't with Allstate they would pursue a claim but they really thought we would be wasting our time trying to deal with Allstate. This is a 100% true story. I was already changing at renewal in 30 days without this other stuff.

I have USAA, they are high as a cat's back, but pay out well when there is a claim. A couple of years ago after a hail storm, USAA more than treated me fairly, my neighbors with State Farm fought for months. State Farm only wanted to place parts of the roof.

[Coach34]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/bud-light-boycott-ab-inbev-sales/index.html


"In North America, organic revenue, seen as the best measure of operating performance, plunged $1.4 billion last year as beer sales by volume tumbled in the region, primarily due to a decline in Bud Light sales in the United States. Beer makes up the lion’s share of AB InBev’s revenue."

[viverlibre]

Just chiming in with an extremely loud incorrect buzzer.

BUD the year and a half before the commercial had stock price fluctuation from $44 to $67 (with the peak week of $67 being right when the commercial was released, which had more to do with hedge funds making money against the general public). BUD the year and a half after the commercial has had price fluctuation between $49 and $68 with the peak week being May this year though it did scrape $66 right during the start of NFL playoffs last season.

AB InBev owns more than Bud Light. It was hilarious to see people boycott Bud Light by going to Michelob, Miller, Modelo, etc. People have no idea who actually owns which beer anymore and the point is it's gotten so murky that AB owned all 3 of those at different points (yes i know they sold miller to Coors - but do you? does the general public know?). Boycotting AB would take someone just boycotting beer altogether to be safe which obviously wasn't happening. Bud Light was back in the hands of people spouting to boycott it less than 6 months later (Kid Rock being the most notable).

It's like if someone was mad and wanted to boycott the Pepsi Kardashian girl commercial, they would have to boycott eating doritos, cheetos, lays, and quaker oats too.

Or if you think Nestle's water bottling practices are abhorrent then you'd have to stop getting gerber for your baby and purina for your fur baby.

If this sounds exhausting, that's the point. Americans have lost the ability to truly boycott big brands by having an illusion of choice.

AllState and Progressive largest shareholders are the same group: Vanguard. Was this a calculated decision thinking that they wanted to buy up more AllState stock in a month when they sell off the boom Progressive will see? People will forget about this in six months and AllState will rebound. People forgot about how little they donate for the good hands program and just ignored when they stopped showing the number after they were shamed on how low it is.

But hey what do I know, I'm not a genius message board poster who thinks "Bud Light" is the one who needed a lesson learned by switching to Modelo.

I've always wondered if that was a PSYOP, like the coke/new coke deal, to bring stock prices down so execs could buy back at a low price.

[Tater]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/bud-light-boycott-ab-inbev-sales/index.html


"In North America, organic revenue, seen as the best measure of operating performance, plunged $1.4 billion last year as beer sales by volume tumbled in the region, primarily due to a decline in Bud Light sales in the United States. Beer makes up the lion’s share of AB InBev’s revenue."

And yet the stock stayed relatively flat. Which is where it really impacts their pocketbook. If you produce less in anticipation of a boycott, you spend less. Revenue dropping $1.4 billion when operating costs drop $1.5 billion still means a net profit of $0.1 billion. And the stock price is the true measure of if a boycott was successful longterm.

[ScooterDog]

Pancho, please get a quote from SAFECO. Rates are competitive and They Will PAY YOUR CLAIMS! I?ve had 2 roof replacements in the last 10 - 20 years. Last time the adjuster printed me a settlement check from his portable printer in his car. No problems either time. State Farm is also competitive but they have a bad reputation for paying claims. I would get quotes from 4 or 5 different companies.

[Pancho]

I am aware of state farm. in talks with shelter at the moment

[Lord McBuckethead]

It was the correct message. They are correct.

[Lord McBuckethead]

State Farm in Mississippi. Just check up on their coverage after the tornadoes north of Tupelo.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Everyone needs to stop being little bitches and not take every comment from a company as an affront to your way of life.

Budlight did nothing wrong, AllState said nothing wrong. One could make an argument that Allstate was 100% correct in everything they said. So it wasn?t 100% your cup of tea?.. who the F are you? Guess what, you are not the main character. So settle down, and just be Fn happy for a moment and realize it is not about you 100% of the time.

[Biguglyjoe]

Everyone needs to stop being little bitches and not take every comment from a company as an affront to your way of life.

Budlight did nothing wrong, AllState said nothing wrong. One could make an argument that Allstate was 100% correct in everything they said. So it wasn?t 100% your cup of tea?.. who the F are you? Guess what, you are not the main character. So settle down, and just be Fn happy for a moment and realize it is not about you 100% of the time.
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 Allstate Agent 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Pancho]

Everyone needs to stop being little bitches and not take every comment from a company as an affront to your way of life.

Budlight did nothing wrong, AllState said nothing wrong. One could make an argument that Allstate was 100% correct in everything they said. So it wasn?t 100% your cup of tea?.. who the F are you? Guess what, you are not the main character. So settle down, and just be Fn happy for a moment and realize it is not about you 100% of the time.

one would assume the ISIS dude, the killer was the one with the divisive attitude. Fn on that for a bit and see how you like it. some folks may swallow the full woke wad but I am not one of em. you are free to do as you please.

[viverlibre]

Everyone needs to stop being little bitches and not take every comment from a company as an affront to your way of life.

Budlight did nothing wrong, AllState said nothing wrong. One could make an argument that Allstate was 100% correct in everything they said. So it wasn?t 100% your cup of tea?.. who the F are you? Guess what, you are not the main character. So settle down, and just be Fn happy for a moment and realize it is not about you 100% of the time.

The Allstate CEO FAed, we see what he FOs. In the long run, I doubt this has much impact.

Just stick with, "our thoughts and prayers are with the victim's loved ones and all those effected." I have no idea what the thought process on the statement was. Sure what he said is true, but saying it in relation to this event was stupid.

[Tater]

I've always wondered if that was a PSYOP, like the coke/new coke deal, to bring stock prices down so execs could buy back at a low price.

You know what they say.... follow the money.

AB - InBev is not hurting in the slightest. Just like the millions of other brands that cancel culture has tried to claim. Cancel culture isn't real. Would hope that Cancelled34 would know better.

[Coach34]

You know what they say.... follow the money.

AB - InBev is not hurting in the slightest. Just like the millions of other brands that cancel culture has tried to claim. Cancel culture isn't real. Would hope that Cancelled34 would know better.

Since the Dylan Mulvaney fiasco, the S&P 500 is up 46% while BUD stock is down 26%.

If the boycotts have no effect, why have Target, WalMart, Bud, etc. backed away from DEI? Why did BUD fire the manager who promoted the Dylan Mulvaney matter?

As for the hypersensitivity charge, the BUD exec said they wanted to move to a new customer base and away from the "frat boy" image. It looks like the existing customer base gave Bud its wish.

I showed the revenues were down 1.4B and you said the operating costs were down 1.5B. I'd like to see the link on that. I provided a link showing they lost revenue because of it.

[msudawglb]

The "yes" culture has permiated the military and governmental agencies. I suspect the same for corp. America. Two main reasons, top leaders don't create a culture of wanting subordinates to speak up and "careerism."

Well, seeing as how I work for a government agency, and I have to sit through mandatory training yearly that encourages us to speak out with our thoughts toward decision making, I'll shoot down the quoted post above.

[Pancho]

I guess you aren't in the department a friend of mine was in then and I'm glad for you. He had hours of dei mandatory conversations and was literally finished with his work each week by lunch on tuesday. The others simply sat and looked at their phones from wed to friday and thought it was great. my friend eventually got another job and left the place. He said they department had 28 employees but could operate with 9 or 10 people if they were sane employees. I am now fully insured with Shelter now so all is well regardless if the allstate ceo is a woke loon or not.

[Johnson85]

Well, seeing as how I work for a government agency, and I have to sit through mandatory training yearly that encourages us to speak out with our thoughts toward decision making, I'll shoot down the quoted post above.

That means next to nothing. Employees are going to speak up or not based on the consequences of speaking out when it's not what their higherups want to hear.

Not saying the agency you work for doesn't actually want people to speak out. But having mandatory training on it is just as likely to be indicative of having a culture that doesn't reward speaking out (but having somebody that at least in theory wants that to cahnge, if not in practice) as it is to be indicative of a culture that actually reward, or at least not punish for, speaking out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That means next to nothing. Employees are going to speak up or not based on the consequences of speaking out when it's not what their higherups want to hear.

Not saying the agency you work for doesn't actually want people to speak out. But having mandatory training on it is just as likely to be indicative of having a culture that doesn't reward speaking out (but having somebody that at least in theory wants that to cahnge, if not in practice) as it is to be indicative of a culture that actually reward, or at least not punish for, speaking out.

I will happily donate my services to be a hand raise guy for these companies. I just require a 500K donation the State Excellence Fund

[Johnson85]

Just chiming in with an extremely loud incorrect buzzer.

BUD the year and a half before the commercial had stock price fluctuation from $44 to $67 (with the peak week of $67 being right when the commercial was released, which had more to do with hedge funds making money against the general public). BUD the year and a half after the commercial has had price fluctuation between $49 and $68 with the peak week being May this year though it did scrape $66 right during the start of NFL playoffs last season.

AB InBev owns more than Bud Light. It was hilarious to see people boycott Bud Light by going to Michelob, Miller, Modelo, etc. People have no idea who actually owns which beer anymore and the point is it's gotten so murky that AB owned all 3 of those at different points (yes i know they sold miller to Coors - but do you? does the general public know?).

Why would the fact that AB InBev owned any of those brands in the past matter for their bottom line when people switch from beers they own now?




Boycotting AB would take someone just boycotting beer altogether to be safe which obviously wasn't happening. Bud Light was back in the hands of people spouting to boycott it less than 6 months later (Kid Rock being the most notable). Not really. Pretty much any miller coors beer plus Modello in the US is safe. If you're drinking a lot of Budlight, you're probably not having to keep track of which "craft" labels they own. Even if you drink both, if you cut out the ones easily identifiable, that still costs ABInBev revenue.

And I think a "soft" boycott is still pretty effective. I avoid buying Nike when I have a somewhat similar alternative. They're just annoying as shit and they make sports worse by injecting politics in it and giving ass hats like the spoiled p*ssy whipped QB a microphone, but I don't make my life worse over it. If it's meaningfully better for me, I'll buy it. If it's not, I won't. If a significant number of people do that, it makes it painful for companies to be ass hats. You genearlly don't want to be in a position where you lose all the close calls as a company, particularly in retail. Same with Target. If there is something I need at Target that I can't get somewhere else easily, I'll get it. But generally, Walmart is slightly less obnoxious with the woke stuff (and significantly less obnoxious on the child sexualization stuff and probably most importantly, inviting men into women's bathrooms), that Target only gets leftovers. Not a big deal, but again, when you are in a space as competitive as retail, small things can have a pretty sizeable impact. There's lots of things that have probably caused Walmart's outperformance of Target's stock over the past year, and Target's insistence on annoying a portion of its customer base is probalby only a small part of it. But if your stock is down in a year where your biggest competitor is up 81% and the stock market in general is up over 20%, do you really want to be antagonizing any of your customers?

[Coach34]

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/bud


Down 25% from just 1 year ago- there is no spinning it- that hurts and the boycott did indeed work

[Pancho]

Fat Tire is my beer

[Tater]

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/bud


Down 25% from just 1 year ago- there is no spinning it- that hurts and the boycott did indeed work

Was 1 year ago when the boycotts started?

Look this is the last post you get without me sending you a consultant fee for stock advice. You're so far out of your depth. You thought you were wrong about Florida's big man... buddy you're more lost here.

Here's the free advice: never download Robinhood or any other day trading app. Just find a good 3-4% savings account and stick to that. Even a 401k is above your head.

[Tater]

Why would the fact that AB InBev owned any of those brands in the past matter for their bottom line when people switch from beers they own now?



Not really. Pretty much any miller coors beer plus Modello in the US is safe. If you're drinking a lot of Budlight, you're probably not having to keep track of which "craft" labels they own. Even if you drink both, if you cut out the ones easily identifiable, that still costs ABInBev revenue.

And I think a "soft" boycott is still pretty effective. I avoid buying Nike when I have a somewhat similar alternative. They're just annoying as shit and they make sports worse by injecting politics in it and giving ass hats like the spoiled p*ssy whipped QB a microphone, but I don't make my life worse over it. If it's meaningfully better for me, I'll buy it. If it's not, I won't. If a significant number of people do that, it makes it painful for companies to be ass hats. You genearlly don't want to be in a position where you lose all the close calls as a company, particularly in retail. Same with Target. If there is something I need at Target that I can't get somewhere else easily, I'll get it. But generally, Walmart is slightly less obnoxious with the woke stuff (and significantly less obnoxious on the child sexualization stuff and probably most importantly, inviting men into women's bathrooms), that Target only gets leftovers. Not a big deal, but again, when you are in a space as competitive as retail, small things can have a pretty sizeable impact. There's lots of things that have probably caused Walmart's outperformance of Target's stock over the past year, and Target's insistence on annoying a portion of its customer base is probalby only a small part of it. But if your stock is down in a year where your biggest competitor is up 81% and the stock market in general is up over 20%, do you really want to be antagonizing any of your customers?

AB InBev owns Grupo Modello which imports Corona, Modelo, and more. I didn't read more because I sensed it being an "about me" diatribe trying to expand your shopping habits at a large scale. Mississippi State Message Board posters are not the average demo. And even you were wrong about "Modelo" being a "safe" beer to purchase.

AB InBev is not at all concerned about the Cancel Culture mob boycotting. Just like the following failed boycotts:

Coors/Miller
Target
ABC
Amazon
American Airlines
Apple
AT&T
Barbie
BofA
BBC (the british news channel)
Campbell's
Chick-fil-a (it's doubly funny both sides of the political spectrum have failed at cancelling them. Just a well oiled machine)
Carhartt
Cisco
Citi
CNN
Coke
Cracker Barrel
Delta
Disney
Fox
Ford
HBO
Enterprise
Hertz
Home Depot
JP morgan Chase
Kellogg's (lol at how popular the Pop Tart bowl is)
MLB
NASCAR
NBA
NBC
NFL
North Face
Oreo
Paypal
Patagonia
PBS
Starbucks
The Super Bowl
Tyson Foods
Nike
Under Armour
United Airlines (Spirt or bust for ya I guess)
Univision
UPS
CBS
Walmart
Wells Fargo
Yeti

http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Wiki/index.php?title=List_of_things_Conservatives_have_ %22canceled%22

That's just some of this one list with sources. It's exhausting. I'm done with this thread though. You're welcome for giving you a consolidated list to avoid. Have fun finding something that isn't owned by that group in some fashion.

[Coach34]

Was 1 year ago when the boycotts started?

Look this is the last post you get without me sending you a consultant fee for stock advice. You're so far out of your depth. You thought you were wrong about Florida's big man... buddy you're more lost here.

Here's the free advice: never download Robinhood or any other day trading app. Just find a good 3-4% savings account and stick to that. Even a 401k is above your head.

The stock was around $64 when the Trans link got rolled out in March. It's way down now in spite of the market doing well. No amount of your gibberish changes that. You are being a ****ing baffoon.

[Tater]

The stock was around $64 when the Trans link got rolled out in March. It's way down now in spite of the market doing well. No amount of your gibberish changes that. You are being a ****ing baffoon.

You need to Zelle $25 to the MSU NIL fund to unlock the contents of this response

[Coach34]

You need to Zelle $25 to the MSU NIL fund to unlock the contents of this response

Translated:

Coach and the other posters have blown my ass up on the Bud portion of the stock and how it cost people jobs and money for doing that dumb trans shit. So I will continue to try and make it about the total corporation and other shit so I can avoid the fact they got me

We are still waiting on you to show us where BUD offset the loss in production costs

[Duckdog]

Translated:

Coach and the other posters have blown my ass up on the Bud portion of the stock and how it cost people jobs and money for doing that dumb trans shit. So I will continue to try and make it about the total corporation and other shit so I can avoid the fact they got me

We are still waiting on you to show us where BUD offset the loss in production costs

exactly

[Pancho]

wonder what crytic response tater man is working on? I'm sure it'll knock us all back***********

[Johnson85]

AB InBev owns Grupo Modello which imports Corona, Modelo, and more. I didn't read more because I sensed it being an "about me" diatribe trying to expand your shopping habits at a large scale. Mississippi State Message Board posters are not the average demo. And even you were wrong about "Modelo" being a "safe" beer to purchase.

AB InBev is not at all concerned about the Cancel Culture mob boycotting. Just like the following failed boycotts:

Coors/Miller
Target
ABC
Amazon
American Airlines
Apple
AT&T
Barbie
BofA
BBC (the british news channel)
Campbell's
Chick-fil-a (it's doubly funny both sides of the political spectrum have failed at cancelling them. Just a well oiled machine)
Carhartt
Cisco
Citi
CNN
Coke
Cracker Barrel
Delta
Disney
Fox
Ford
HBO
Enterprise
Hertz
Home Depot
JP morgan Chase
Kellogg's (lol at how popular the Pop Tart bowl is)
MLB
NASCAR
NBA
NBC
NFL
North Face
Oreo
Paypal
Patagonia
PBS
Starbucks
The Super Bowl
Tyson Foods
Nike
Under Armour
United Airlines (Spirt or bust for ya I guess)
Univision
UPS
CBS
Walmart
Wells Fargo
Yeti

http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Wiki/index.php?title=List_of_things_Conservatives_have_ %22canceled%22

That's just some of this one list with sources. It's exhausting. I'm done with this thread though. You're welcome for giving you a consolidated list to avoid. Have fun finding something that isn't owned by that group in some fashion.

You should never assume you are right. Just giving you the heads up. If you go back and read the post you are replying to, you would see the phrase "plus Modello in the US is safe." If you were the type of person that should ever assume you are right, you would have questioned that phrase "in the US" and wondered whether it's there for a reason.

With respect to that list, why would I want a list of companies other people have allegedly tried to boycott?

[Tater]

Translated:

Coach and the other posters have blown my ass up on the Bud portion of the stock and how it cost people jobs and money for doing that dumb trans shit. So I will continue to try and make it about the total corporation and other shit so I can avoid the fact they got me

We are still waiting on you to show us where BUD offset the loss in production costs

Translated. You're an idiot who points to two dates over a year and a half apart and ignores the stock movement all before it (it was pumped right before the Mulvaney incident and was overvalued - hedgies knew what they were doing) and after it. Stock has been relatively flat over the last 3 years because there is no way to capture more of the market than they have without brushing up against anti-trust / monopoly busting. Why else do you think they had to sell Miller to Coors?

To put this in terms you might understand. You're speaking with the knowledge of a 12 year old who just learned that on Madden that crossing drags beats straight man coverage everytime. And you're saying you've confidently figured out football to a 40 year old with years of coaching experience. You're so out of your depth.

How do you wake up every day and think you're an expert in every area of life when you're not even more than a novice in your own field.

[Tater]

You should never assume you are right. Just giving you the heads up. If you go back and read the post you are replying to, you would see the phrase "plus Modello in the US is safe." If you were the type of person that should ever assume you are right, you would have questioned that phrase "in the US" and wondered whether it's there for a reason.

With respect to that list, why would I want a list of companies other people have allegedly tried to boycott?

Constellation Brands sells Modelo in the US, but who sells Modelo from Mexico to Constellation Brands? Do you understand how stupid that sounds as you trying to have a gotcha moment right?

[Johnson85]

Constellation Brands sells Modelo in the US, but who sells Modelo from Mexico to Constellation Brands? Do you understand how stupid that sounds as you trying to have a gotcha moment right?

Constellation picked up two breweries in the deal also and produces its own modelo. No clue if they can or do supplement their production with purchases from AbInbev. Obviously neither company would want that widely known if they do as it would hurt Modelo sales and cost ABInbev wholesale business.

But even if Constellation bought Modelo wholesale from ABInBev, it's not like it's not still effective to move from Budlight to Modelo in the US. They are in the retail business (sort of; I guess it's still whole sale for a lot of the US, but it's another level of the supply chain) for a reason and they want that side of the revenue also if they have invested in building out that capacity.

[Pancho]

I guess we wait and see if any of these companies put the CEO out and make a woke terror supporting commercial so tater man can school us all with his unlimited mental faculties.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The Allstate CEO FAed, we see what he FOs. In the long run, I doubt this has much impact.

Just stick with, "our thoughts and prayers are with the victim's loved ones and all those effected." I have no idea what the thought process on the statement was. Sure what he said is true, but saying it in relation to this event was stupid.

I disagree. It was the perfect time to be said. It had to be said eventually, might as well do it as soon as possible. No one wants to hear that men in the US are having a problem, white men in particular. But they are. They are irrationally angry. They don't understand that our country is not a zero sum game. Hell they don't even know what a zero sum game is.

They have been told since the repeal of the fairness doctrine that they are losing this country. 24/7 conservative radio is not healthy. With megaphones Guys like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, and really starting with Bill Cooper, this entire country lost it's shared humanity. I was raised to believe we are all in this together. My Christian beliefs demand that I not only help those that need it, but I hug those people everyone is trashing. That includes trans people. That includes the gayest guy you have ever seen. That includes rednecks. That includes black people and Muslims. None of us should be tearing anyone down. Jesus would not have done that. So the next time you get mad at Bud Light for retweeting a promotional video of a trans person drinking a bud light, remember, your reaction says more about you than Bud Light.

Remember the trans person wasn't waving their dick around, just drinking a beer. Are you mad you thought they were attractive before finding out?

The bigger issue for Allstate should be that their coverage sucks, because that is what really should matter to people that is paying them.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I also believe that people vote with their money and their feet. If you don't like what they said, for whatever reason, it is a free country. There is no reason to give them your money. But I will reiterate.... everything said in public is not an affront to you personally.
What I do, is just shake my head, have a chuckle about it, and remember that on the grand scheme of things to be up in arms about.....90% of this shit is done to just keep us distracted. Distracted from the things that actually matter. Family, Community, and the 50 people in my life I interact with. That is where life actually happens. Not on a pre-game speech or company that is trying to turn the tide of the conversation to what needs to be discussed. Men that feel like those actions are acceptable.

[Pancho]

I am pretty much with you, I think . I feel you on Jesus meeting with and enter acting but do you think he would willingly tell them it's okay to be the way they are? He would always say to go and sin no more because I do not remember a passage stating to go and continue in sin. I think that probably covers the gays and trans and muslims you mention too. I know folks who are gays and trans and muslims etc and from my experience it is them who isn't very accepting of others but maybe that is just me and the gays and trans and muslims I know. maybe they all aren't that way? are you advocating that we as US citizens shouls accept the views of ISIS?

[Tater]

I am pretty much with you, I think . I feel you on Jesus meeting with and enter acting but do you think he would willingly tell them it's okay to be the way they are? He would always say to go and sin no more because I do not remember a passage stating to go and continue in sin. I think that probably covers the gays and trans and muslims you mention too. I know folks who are gays and trans and muslims etc and from my experience it is them who isn't very accepting of others but maybe that is just me and the gays and trans and muslims I know. maybe they all aren't that way? are you advocating that we as US citizens shouls accept the views of ISIS?

You started off decent and then ended up at a roundabout straw-man that's kinda weird. But I think you're being genuine today because that's the wordiest i've ever seen you comment. (I know that might read sarcastic, and I apologize for that if it does. I do mean that earnestly.)

I've met plenty of people of all different creeds, colors, and orientations. Plenty good. Plenty bad. It's never a pattern of any one thing that's good or bad. Hell, the worst person I had the displeasure of meeting in my life was someone else at State. A cis-gender white man. But, a gay man. And let me tell you, this dude sucked (and I'm not talking bout cocks, Cuck34 so you can stop reading this now). Now he was friend of friends cause I knew a few that rolled through parties back in college and somehow he was in good with some of the college ladies who got their tuition paid from working at the Pony. (The amount of strippers with a token gay best friend I've met since college is astonishing. I both understand and do not understand the dynamic, whatever.) I tried giving this dude multiple chances. I thought "he's a product of his upbringing. have to be tough. have to hate straight white men cause he was bullied his whole life." I thought maybe it's just a self fulfilling prophecy. Bigots hate gays and the gay man acts more flamboyant to piss off the bigots who hate the gay guy more who becomes more flamboyant... But as I came to know em more, I learned - dude was just awful. Break point was when he outed another friend of mine who was very much in the closet publicly. Now this person still one of the greatest men I've have the pleasure to be friends with. The pure hatred to do something so vile as that - I accepted that all walks of life just have an evil man.

Now this is where the Bible and I stop seeing eye to eye and there's plenty better Christians than me. Love thy Neighbor? Agreed. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Agreed. But love someone even if they are pure evil and hate your guts and want to murder you and will do it if given the opportunity? There's a reason Jesus is up on the cross and forgiving those who killed him and ole Tater ain't. He's a better man than me.

So ISIS? **** no, **** them.

But Trans / Gay people? Man who cares what the **** someone wants to do with a hidden appendage in the comfort of their own home.

People who flout their sexuality and make it their entire personality? Agreed I don't care to see that shit personally and will take my business elsewhere. That's why I was friends with the girls from the Pony, but never stepped in there. Keep that shit in the bedroom.

Does God really care about the bedroom? Some parts of the Old Testament seem to think so. New testament retcons it. I think there's bigger fish to fry when it comes to sinning (specifically shellfish iykyk). False Idols (Celeb worship), Judging, Hatred, Murder... they just feel "worse" to me. Sure you can say all sin is sin. But I'll just agree to disagree. If God thinks that some guy murdering 15+ on Bourbon street deserves the same exact eternal damnation as some dude kissing another dude... I'll lodge a complaint at the gate, call me a Karen idc.

Now, does that mean I wanna walk amongst it? No, not really. I want good friends. Now I agree it's weird when a girl shaves half her head and dies the other half neon green. I ain't interested and would rather talk to her brunette friend. But does she deserve eternal damnation for expressing herself and how she feels by altering a bodily appendage? Does the man who cuts his dick off to become a woman deserve it? Do I deserve it for shaving my beard? Does a soldier deserve it for losing his arm in battle? Where is the line there? I don't think there should be one.

And the trans bathroom / sports debate is so overblown. We can agree IF someone is doing that to get access to the girl's bathrooms or just to win a women's sport, there's nuance and they are a shitty shitty person. But most everyone of em I meet just want to feel happy, be loved, and enjoy life.

Unfortunately we meet assholes in plenty of spots. A sad truth is I've met the worst gays in the places where it's least tolerated. Living in Wisconsin - half of them that are gay you wouldn't even know it. Down in Mississippi every one of em is obvious. Again I don't know if it's that self fulfilling prophecy or what, but experience other places and it'll make more sense.

To wrap it up. **** ISIS, but that doesn't mean every Muslim is bad. I think the teachings of Islam are shit. But every walk of life will show you good and bad people. The internet shows you the worst.

[Coach34]

Retarded Warren Buffet has now turned into a philosopher. Wonderful

Most people dont care if someone is gay or whatever. People just dont want that shit thrown in their face constantly. If you want to have a gay pride parade- have one I dont care. Do we need drag queen story hour with kids? No we dont. There is no "trans". A guy in a dress is a guy in a dress. A guy in a dress thats been castrated is still a castrated dude in a dress. A girl dressing up as a dude is a tomboy. I havent drank Bud Light for 20 years now- so having the dude on a can and that campaign absolutely didnt affect me in the least.

The problem starts when people start wanting to have these dudes going into women's bathrooms and prisons. These dudes in dresses playing women's sports. No. Nope. That crosses a line. That's where we have to draw the line at the insanity.

[Tater]

Retarded Warren Buffet has now turned into a philosopher. Wonderful

Most people dont care if someone is gay or whatever. People just dont want that shit thrown in their face constantly. If you want to have a gay pride parade- have one I dont care. Do we need drag queen story hour with kids? No we dont. There is no "trans". A guy in a dress is a guy in a dress. A guy in a dress thats been castrated is still a castrated dude in a dress. A girl dressing up as a dude is a tomboy. I havent drank Bud Light for 20 years now- so having the dude on a can and that campaign absolutely didnt affect me in the least.

The problem starts when people start wanting to have these dudes going into women's bathrooms and prisons. These dudes in dresses playing women's sports. No. Nope. That crosses a line. That's where we have to draw the line at the insanity.

While my majors were in engineering, I did get a minor in philosophy from this school. Remind me which degree you got from State again?

Edit: The bathroom debate is stupid and borne out of fear. If we just had port-a-johns / solo unisex bathroooms everywhere it would be fixed. I don't want random unmarried message board warrior 50 year-olds in the same bathroom as my 5 year old son for the same reason people purport to not want transgender women in the women's bathroom. It's not a trans issue. It's a shitty bathroom design in the name of efficiency (urinal troughs are super efficient but it takes one pedo to ruin it in the men's room). Stop acting like it's a trans debate/issue.

[RocketDawg]

It's in regards to the Allstate message before the Sugar Bowl. He basically was calling out Americans and making it sound like their fault that some crazed brain washed ISIS lunatic committed an act of terror on Tuesday night. Said Americans need to "overcome their addiction to divisiveness" and "accept people's differences". It was a god awful message and whoever told him to put that out should be fired on the damn spot. I can't believe there wasn't a hand raise guy somewhere along the chain of command for that message that wasn't like, "Hey guys, maybe let's not do this. Maybe let's just say our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and the city of New Orleans and will be in the weeks and months to come." Literally the easiest statement to make.

Not defending Allstate - but I suspect his "message" was done before the New Orleans massacre and they just decided to run with it, along with a few words in sympathy at the start that were just added on. They never should have done what the did.

[RocketDawg]

I have USAA, they are high as a cat's back, but pay out well when there is a claim. A couple of years ago after a hail storm, USAA more than treated me fairly, my neighbors with State Farm fought for months. State Farm only wanted to place parts of the roof.

I had some serious damage from a storm late in the summer of 2023 and State Farm paid off very well. The adjuster insisted that they replace the entire roof. I would have done that anyway, but it was nice for them to pay the entire bill. They even paid for emergency cleanup, which was quite expensive. I've been with them forever, so that might have had something to do with it.

[Todd4State]

You started off decent and then ended up at a roundabout straw-man that's kinda weird. But I think you're being genuine today because that's the wordiest i've ever seen you comment. (I know that might read sarcastic, and I apologize for that if it does. I do mean that earnestly.)

I've met plenty of people of all different creeds, colors, and orientations. Plenty good. Plenty bad. It's never a pattern of any one thing that's good or bad. Hell, the worst person I had the displeasure of meeting in my life was someone else at State. A cis-gender white man. But, a gay man. And let me tell you, this dude sucked (and I'm not talking bout cocks, Cuck34 so you can stop reading this now). Now he was friend of friends cause I knew a few that rolled through parties back in college and somehow he was in good with some of the college ladies who got their tuition paid from working at the Pony. (The amount of strippers with a token gay best friend I've met since college is astonishing. I both understand and do not understand the dynamic, whatever.) I tried giving this dude multiple chances. I thought "he's a product of his upbringing. have to be tough. have to hate straight white men cause he was bullied his whole life." I thought maybe it's just a self fulfilling prophecy. Bigots hate gays and the gay man acts more flamboyant to piss off the bigots who hate the gay guy more who becomes more flamboyant... But as I came to know em more, I learned - dude was just awful. Break point was when he outed another friend of mine who was very much in the closet publicly. Now this person still one of the greatest men I've have the pleasure to be friends with. The pure hatred to do something so vile as that - I accepted that all walks of life just have an evil man.

Now this is where the Bible and I stop seeing eye to eye and there's plenty better Christians than me. Love thy Neighbor? Agreed. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? Agreed. But love someone even if they are pure evil and hate your guts and want to murder you and will do it if given the opportunity? There's a reason Jesus is up on the cross and forgiving those who killed him and ole Tater ain't. He's a better man than me.

So ISIS? **** no, **** them.

But Trans / Gay people? Man who cares what the **** someone wants to do with a hidden appendage in the comfort of their own home.

People who flout their sexuality and make it their entire personality? Agreed I don't care to see that shit personally and will take my business elsewhere. That's why I was friends with the girls from the Pony, but never stepped in there. Keep that shit in the bedroom.

Does God really care about the bedroom? Some parts of the Old Testament seem to think so. New testament retcons it. I think there's bigger fish to fry when it comes to sinning (specifically shellfish iykyk). False Idols (Celeb worship), Judging, Hatred, Murder... they just feel "worse" to me. Sure you can say all sin is sin. But I'll just agree to disagree. If God thinks that some guy murdering 15+ on Bourbon street deserves the same exact eternal damnation as some dude kissing another dude... I'll lodge a complaint at the gate, call me a Karen idc.

Now, does that mean I wanna walk amongst it? No, not really. I want good friends. Now I agree it's weird when a girl shaves half her head and dies the other half neon green. I ain't interested and would rather talk to her brunette friend. But does she deserve eternal damnation for expressing herself and how she feels by altering a bodily appendage? Does the man who cuts his dick off to become a woman deserve it? Do I deserve it for shaving my beard? Does a soldier deserve it for losing his arm in battle? Where is the line there? I don't think there should be one.

And the trans bathroom / sports debate is so overblown. We can agree IF someone is doing that to get access to the girl's bathrooms or just to win a women's sport, there's nuance and they are a shitty shitty person. But most everyone of em I meet just want to feel happy, be loved, and enjoy life.

Unfortunately we meet assholes in plenty of spots. A sad truth is I've met the worst gays in the places where it's least tolerated. Living in Wisconsin - half of them that are gay you wouldn't even know it. Down in Mississippi every one of em is obvious. Again I don't know if it's that self fulfilling prophecy or what, but experience other places and it'll make more sense.

To wrap it up. **** ISIS, but that doesn't mean every Muslim is bad. I think the teachings of Islam are shit. But every walk of life will show you good and bad people. The internet shows you the worst.

Well the thing I think a lot of people miss is a sin is a sin and the fact of the matter is WE are not the judge. GOD is.

There isn't anything in the Bible that specifically says that "you kiss a guy you go to hell. You kill someone you go to hell. You steal some money you don't go to hell but it's a sin." It's not like our laws where it's "OK you killed someone and if you plead guilty you get life in prison and if you plead innocent and you lose the trial you get the death penalty." All God asks for is that you have a relationship with HIM and ask for forgiveness. After all, Moses killed an Egyptian soldier and I'm 99.9% sure that he is in Heaven right now.

The fact of the matter is it's man who assigns "how bad" sins are in reality.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

No one wants to hear that men in the US are having a problem, white men in particular. But they are. They are irrationally angry. They don't understand that our country is not a zero sum game. Hell they don't even know what a zero sum game is.

They have been told since the repeal of the fairness doctrine that they are losing this country. 24/7 conservative radio is not healthy. .

Didn't you learn anything from the election? Calling white men the biggest threat to the democracy as a campaign slogan worked out well for the left. 24/7 of any one sided view is not healthy, no matter which side you take. Both sides are angry and to single out one group shows your agenda. Plus, why would white men be mad when they just won the election?

[Pancho]

The most intelligent business people I know didn't attend college, so having a degree and somehow matching education to a moral stance doesn't fly. What divisiveness was all state referencing then if the commercial was taped prior to the terror attack in NOLA? I'm not angry so is lordbuckhead angry?

[Johnson85]

I had some serious damage from a storm late in the summer of 2023 and State Farm paid off very well. The adjuster insisted that they replace the entire roof. I would have done that anyway, but it was nice for them to pay the entire bill. They even paid for emergency cleanup, which was quite expensive. I've been with them forever, so that might have had something to do with it.

State Farm is very hit or miss. All companies when you get to a certain size are, but they take it to another level. It's like they roll the dice and most of the time you just get run of the mill service, a very small percentage of the time you get outstanding, above and beyond treatment, and then a much larger percentage of the time it's like they decide they are going to try to act like a caricature of an evil insurance company. I assume it's based on who individually is handling your claim but I have no clue how that works with how they handle caseload, because you can have similar incidents in the same area and it clearly goes several levels up the chain without getting to a common decision maker. I've seen enough of them to know I won't ever use them. There's just realistically never going to be enough of a discount compared to other options to justify essentially paying for the right to litigate against them if you are one of the unlucky ones they decide they want to 17.

[SPMT]

Retarded Warren Buffet has now turned into a philosopher. Wonderful

Most people dont care if someone is gay or whatever. People just dont want that shit thrown in their face constantly. If you want to have a gay pride parade- have one I dont care. Do we need drag queen story hour with kids? No we dont. There is no "trans". A guy in a dress is a guy in a dress. A guy in a dress thats been castrated is still a castrated dude in a dress. A girl dressing up as a dude is a tomboy. I havent drank Bud Light for 20 years now- so having the dude on a can and that campaign absolutely didnt affect me in the least.

The problem starts when people start wanting to have these dudes going into women's bathrooms and prisons. These dudes in dresses playing women's sports. No. Nope. That crosses a line. That's where we have to draw the line at the insanity.

Agree. People just don?t like ant it shoved down your throat and you specifically children. Children are incapable of making many decisions and are very malleable.

[Political Hack]

America is addicted to divisiveness right now. The political vile and the 24-hour news cycle proves it. That could've very easily been a part of the speech before the terror attack... it's relevant either way. I agree with him that we, as a country, need to start focusing and celebrating what brings us together and unifies us a little more and stop broadcasting what differentiates us and divides us a little more.

The crazy black and white whacknut conservatives and flighty-ass overly sensitive lunatic liberals get all the headlines. Nobody puts normal people on TV anymore.

I realize this is "political" but it's not really a polarizing "political stance." I'm joining the Rodney King political party of "Can't we just all get along"...

[Hot Rock]

Agree. People just don?t like ant it shoved down your throat and you specifically children. Children are incapable of making many decisions and are very malleable.

Children your concern? This is the stuff that baffles me. Transgenders are not the problem and neither are homosexuals. This ain't new, we have known it for decades about the coverups of the Catholics but if you think it's limited to them, you are sadly mistaken. You should check out the Baptist convention situation then:

Go look at arrests and convictions of pedophiles in this country. Here's a hint, they are not gay or transgender. You will find youth ministers, pastors, coaches, sports trainers etc.. What you won't find is transgenders. You know why? Pedophiles don't cut off their appendages. There may have been one last year but he/she was also a clergyman.

The bigger problem is we don't teach our boys to keep their dick in their pants and blame girls for dressing provocative if they get attacked. Rape is reported infrequently and rarely convicted. Rape is so common that we elected a rapist as our next President. Do not tell me Trump ain't a rapist as he told us he was a sex-offender when he bragged about grabbing women's privates to random people on a bus. That's on video. Then he lost the lawsuit where he tried to sue E Jean Carroll for saying he raped her. Not only did the prove he raped her but two more women as well. Then he was on both P Diddy's and Ebstein's guest lists. Anyone not knowing Trump is a sex offender is lying to themselves.

So, no... this country is not Christian and anyone thinking so should have voted for someone doing what Jesus said do. Start by caring for the poor and that is the opposite of what is about to happen.

[Johnson85]

America is addicted to divisiveness right now. The political vile and the 24-hour news cycle proves it. That could've very easily been a part of the speech before the terror attack... it's relevant either way. I agree with him that we, as a country, need to start focusing and celebrating what brings us together and unifies us a little more and stop broadcasting what differentiates us and divides us a little more.

The crazy black and white whacknut conservatives and flighty-ass overly sensitive lunatic liberals get all the headlines. Nobody puts normal people on TV anymore.

I realize this is "political" but it's not really a polarizing "political stance." I'm joining the Rodney King political party of "Can't we just all get along"...

The 24-hour news cycle and social media is certainly an exacerbating factor, but I would not say America is addicted to divisiveness. There is a portion of American that views everything through an identity based lense and their entire focus is on how the government is favoring one group over others. Then there is the almost complete abandonment of the idea that there is anything that shouldn't be dictated by politics. Thirty years ago, there was a legitimate argument that people on the right were the ones that wanted the government meddling in personal business. The people on the right haven't gotten much better (they've shifted pretty hard on decriminalizing marijuana and same sex marriage and related issues, but it's not really a philosophical switch where they decided the government was overreaching; it was just a political shift), but people on the left have gotten 1,000 times worse. They went from at least pretending to believe that individual liberty existed outside of economic transactions, to believing that the government has the right to dictate how much broccoli you eat. You had longstanding social conventions (e.g., go to the bathroom of the sex you can pass for) that they decided should be revoked and addressed by law. They abandoned any support for RFRA and the idea that there should be any accommodation for religious belief or practice (at least if you are not part of the right identity group) and actually countenanced purposefully burdening religious exercise to make a point (e.g. birth control litigation). The COVID stuff was when they got the nastiest, doing things like essentially required people that had recovered from COVID within the past 3 months for not getting a shot, despite them having better immunity than people that had gotten one shot 12 months prior. Or applying the vaccine mandate for government contractors for remote workers.

It's no longer feasible for most people to just pay taxes but otherwise more or less ignore the government and go about their business. Basically everybody that works or has a family member work for a government contractor, a healthcare facility taking medicare or medicaid, works for a elementary or secondary public school or private or public institute of higher learning, or one of the military branches is at risk of being collateral damage (or targeted damage).

Stop telling people what kind of water heater they can buy, stop trying to compel people to participate in speech they don't agree with, stop telling people that their rights depend on which identity group they belong to, and stop going out of your way to use government powers discomfort people you don't like rather than just trying to accomplish legitimate government interests like the provision of public goods, and you'd see a lot less people being "divisive".

[TUSK]

I'm in.....

[msu15]

I'm in.....

RIP Dynasty

[Homedawg]

And yet the stock stayed relatively flat. Which is where it really impacts their pocketbook. If you produce less in anticipation of a boycott, you spend less. Revenue dropping $1.4 billion when operating costs drop $1.5 billion still means a net profit of $0.1 billion. And the stock price is the true measure of if a boycott was successful longterm.

Coors in the last 12 months is down $6. Bud is down $16. But yeah great idea for the ad. ....

[TUSK]

RIP Dynasty

again?

[Coach34]

again?

DeBore is Les Miles

[Political Hack]

Johnson85, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However, the federal government doesn't favor the single left-wing nut job asking for crazy gender policies. A local California school board may. A local county government may. But the federal government does not. What the federal government favors is the large corporations that have paved the way for today's politicians to remain in power. The healthcare, pharmaceutical, firearms, tobacco and alcohol lobbyists dictate policy in this country. They control the representatives we elected to represent us. That's the problem. All this "liter box in the bathroom" bullshit is a distraction to keep all of you focused on the wrong things. They take one instance of insanity and spew it all over the social media and get people in Mississippi worked up about some lunatic BS happening in San Francisco. Who cares!?!?!

The 24-hour news cycle doesn't report the news. They decide the news.

When the grand old party gave up on states rights after winning the White House, House, and Senate during W's term and ballooned the federal government's spending to levels that had never been seen before (yes, you read that correctly... GOP outspent the Dem who actually balanced the budget), the political landscape was set. Big corporations took over the Fed. It hasn't changed since.

Blaming the strange lady-man/man-lady political distraction for America's current problems is like blaming a fart for climate change.

[Johnson85]

Children your concern? This is the stuff that baffles me. Transgenders are not the problem and neither are homosexuals. This is dumb. Nobody is complaining about transgenders existing. They want their daughters and wives to be able to have bathrooms and dressing rooms to themselves and they want their daughters to be able to play women's sports without having to complete against boys/men.



This ain't new, we have known it for decades about the coverups of the Catholics but if you think it's limited to them, you are sadly mistaken. You should check out the Baptist convention situation then:

Go look at arrests and convictions of pedophiles in this country. Here's a hint, they are not gay or transgender. You will find youth ministers, pastors, coaches, sports trainers etc.. What you won't find is transgenders. You know why? Pedophiles don't cut off their appendages. There may have been one last year but he/she was also a clergyman. The sex abuse certainly was not limited to the catholic church, which probably has a lower rate of sexual abuse per capita than public school employees. That said, much of the catholic sex abuse scandals did involve homosexual priests and post pubescent boys. People like to just avoid the question of whether an abuser was homosexual, I assume because they are concerned the rates of offense would not be the same for straight people and homosexual people or people that are transgendered.


The bigger problem is we don't teach our boys to keep their dick in their pants and blame girls for dressing provocative if they get attacked. This is also dumb. Even relatively ridiculous rape claims get treated as credible. Obviously there was a lot of identity politics going on, but the Duke Lacrosse Case for example.


Rape is reported infrequently and rarely convicted. Rape is so common that we elected a rapist as our next President. 3 out of our last 5 presidents were accused of sexual assault that involved penetration or rape. I would say one of those was a very credible accusation and involved somebody that had to give up their law license for perjury, so the he said she said doesn't exactly cut in his favor. Biden and Trump may lie a lot, but that doesn't exactly mean they're rapists. Trump's accuser is not particularly credible. I don't know enough about Biden's. That's about all you can go off of though when you are talking about a he said/she said accusation from decades earlier.


Do not tell me Trump ain't a rapist as he told us he was a sex-offender when he bragged about grabbing women's privates to random people on a bus. That's on video. Then he lost the lawsuit where he tried to sue E Jean Carroll for saying he raped her. Not only did the prove he raped her but two more women as well. Then he was on both P Diddy's and Ebstein's guest lists. Anyone not knowing Trump is a sex offender is lying to themselves. An impressive amount of actual errors here. He didn't sue Carroll. She sued him. The jury found that he was not liable for rape. That's not a criminal trial where maybe they thought he raped her but couldn't get over the high burden of proof. They found by a preponderance of the evidence that he did not rape her. But regardless, that wouldn't prove or disprove the claim. In a he said she said account from 30 years prior, a majority vote by a civil jury just doesn't tell you much about what actually happened. It tells you some combination of how much they liked or disliked the accuser and defendant and how credible or not they found the accuser and defendant.


So, no... this country is not Christian and anyone thinking so should have voted for someone doing what Jesus said do. Start by caring for the poor and that is the opposite of what is about to happen. So glad you have figured out what Christianity dictates people should vote for. You should definitely let all the christian religious leaders know so they can tell their congregants how to vote.

[Johnson85]

Johnson85, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However, the federal government doesn't favor the single left-wing nut job asking for crazy gender policies. A local California school board may. A local county government may. But the federal government does not. The Biden administration claimed that Title IX, which was supposedly enacted to ensure educational opportunities were not denied to women, prohibited schools receiving federal funding from having female only bathrooms, locker rooms, dorms, or sports. That's a massive deal that affects basically everybody with a female relative or friend that attends or works at an educational institution subject to Title IX (which is the vast majority of them)


What the federal government favors is the large corporations that have paved the way for today's politicians to remain in power. The healthcare, pharmaceutical, firearms, tobacco and alcohol lobbyists dictate policy in this country. They control the representatives we elected to represent us. That's the problem. All this "liter box in the bathroom" bullshit is a distraction to keep all of you focused on the wrong things. They take one instance of insanity and spew it all over the social media and get people in Mississippi worked up about some lunatic BS happening in San Francisco. Who cares!?!?!

The 24-hour news cycle doesn't report the news. They decide the news.

When the grand old party gave up on states rights after winning the White House, House, and Senate during W's term and ballooned the federal government's spending to levels that had never been seen before (yes, you read that correctly... GOP outspent the Dem who actually balanced the budget), the political landscape was set. Big corporations took over the Fed. It hasn't changed since.

Blaming the strange lady-man/man-lady political distraction for America's current problems is like blaming a fart for climate change. One, it's not a political distraction to the women affected. If you give me the choice between my daughter being able to have a girls only bathroom at school or my preferred tax policy, I'm going to go with what is better for my daughter. Two, if sane people can't win on the really obvious issue of "Should the federal government allow single sex bathrooms and female only sports", then there's no need for a distraction. The government can do whatever they want regardless. It's not like people are going to rebel over tax policy but not over their wives and daughters being able to have a bathroom to themselves.

[BrunswickDawg]

All this bathroom hyperbole is why my wife has this sign at her business:

https://i.etsystatic.com/33287822/r/il/7cea24/4816532252/il_794xN.4816532252_4qip.jpg

[TUSK]

DeBore is Les Miles

Hey, don't break my concentration... I'm busy marinating your deer meat.

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[Lord McBuckethead]

I am pretty much with you, I think . I feel you on Jesus meeting with and enter acting but do you think he would willingly tell them it's okay to be the way they are? He would always say to go and sin no more because I do not remember a passage stating to go and continue in sin. I think that probably covers the gays and trans and muslims you mention too. I know folks who are gays and trans and muslims etc and from my experience it is them who isn't very accepting of others but maybe that is just me and the gays and trans and muslims I know. maybe they all aren't that way? are you advocating that we as US citizens shouls accept the views of ISIS?

Nope I am sure not advocating we accept ISIS. And yes, Muslims (not ISIS) accepting or not accepting of Average Joe Christian really has nothing to do whether that Christian should or shouldn't be accepting to them.

[Lord McBuckethead]

All this bathroom hyperbole is why my wife has this sign at her business:

https://i.etsystatic.com/33287822/r/il/7cea24/4816532252/il_794xN.4816532252_4qip.jpg

Exactly. Just wash your hands.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Didn't you learn anything from the election? Calling white men the biggest threat to the democracy as a campaign slogan worked out well for the left. 24/7 of any one sided view is not healthy, no matter which side you take. Both sides are angry and to single out one group shows your agenda. Plus, why would white men be mad when they just won the election?

I wouldn't say they are the biggest threat to democracy. I would say that men and definitely including white men have issues and we shouldn't hide from them. This entire post started because of the comments of a CEO or CFO of Allstate. When I heard their address before the delayed Sugar Bowl, it was actually sobering that I was hearing something that the country needed to hear.

The threat to democracy, well that is definitely a political discussion that I will not enter on this site. As it has nothing to do with Sports or Mississippi State and I don't feel like getting shadow banned for a month like last year during the baseball run.

[GeoDawg]

If I get what I deserve, woe is me.

If the Christ of the Bible, keeps his promises (there lies my faith), PRAISE GOD!!

[Political Hack]

The Biden administration claimed that Title IX, which was supposedly enacted to ensure educational opportunities were not denied to women, prohibited schools receiving federal funding from having female only bathrooms, locker rooms, dorms, or sports. That's a massive deal that affects basically everybody with a female relative or friend that attends or works at an educational institution subject to Title IX (which is the vast majority of them)

One, it's not a political distraction to the women affected. If you give me the choice between my daughter being able to have a girls only bathroom at school or my preferred tax policy, I'm going to go with what is better for my daughter. Two, if sane people can't win on the really obvious issue of "Should the federal government allow single sex bathrooms and female only sports", then there's no need for a distraction. The government can do whatever they want regardless. It's not like people are going to rebel over tax policy but not over their wives and daughters being able to have a bathroom to themselves.

(1) the decision allowed states and individual school districts to implement those policies, which as I noted in my post, we're made by some local authorities.

(2) I'm still not sure how a California school district affects people in Mississippi? I'm pretty sure school bathrooms are still labeled boy/girl in Georgia.

What happened to the old state's rights conservatives? Now we're trying to implement social laws and regulations in other states? Your way is your way. And your way is fine. But your way doesn't have to be everybody's way. Isn't that what we're fighting for? Individual liberty? Why should someone in Mississippi be able to tell someone in California how to label their bathrooms?

[Pancho]

That in part is why so many are leaving the culture of Cali for a more normal setting to live, work, worship and raise kids.

[Political Hack]

That in part is why so many are leaving the culture of Cali for a more normal setting to live, work, worship and raise kids.

As would I. That's not the community I'd raise my kids in.

[Tater]

Coors in the last 12 months is down $6. Bud is down $16. But yeah great idea for the ad. ....

On October 7th, 2022 - BUD closed at $44.68
On May 17th, 2024 - BUD closed at $67.42

Guess they should go back to doing what they did between then to pump up the price by your less-than-novice logic.

Top Minds of EliteDawgs Stock Trading going on for sure.

[Pancho]

I made myself wealthy by other means and I entertain myself watching others tell others how to supposedly be smart.

[Tater]

That in part is why so many are leaving the culture of Cali for a more normal setting to live, work, worship and raise kids.
California population 2006 - 36,021,202
California population 2015 - 38,904,296
California population 2024 - 39,198,693

Mississippi population 2006 - 2,904,978
Mississippi population 2015 - 2,990,231
Mississippi population 2024 - 2,943,045

Cali has gained a Mississippi worth of population in the timeframe that Mississippi has gained 40k people.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/states/california/population

[Coach34]

California population 2006 - 36,021,202
California population 2015 - 38,904,296
California population 2024 - 39,198,693

Mississippi population 2006 - 2,904,978
Mississippi population 2015 - 2,990,231
Mississippi population 2024 - 2,943,045

Cali has gained a Mississippi worth of population in the timeframe that Mississippi has gained 40k people.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/states/california/population

Alot of their population growth is illegals. Millions have poured into the state. Meanwhile, the taxpayers and corporations are leaving

[Coach34]

and now this latest fire just shines a light on their incompetence leading their people. Gonna see more people move away and it has probably ended Pretty Boy's presidential aspirations. What gross mismanagement resulting in millions of loss plus a few lives

[Pancho]

Tater knows. It's all part of his scheme on ED.

[Tater]

Alot of their population growth is illegals. Millions have poured into the state. Meanwhile, the taxpayers and corporations are leaving

Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:

Mexico Population 2006 - 106,886,790
Mexico Population 2015 - 120,149,897
Mexico Population 2024 - 129,388,467

And Cali is losing business?

Cali GDP 2006 - $1.81 Trillion
Cali GDP 2015 - $2.47 Trillion
Cali GDP 2024 - $4.08 Trillion

Mississippi GDP 2006 - $0.088 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2015 - $0.105 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2024 - $0.139 Trillion

Almost like getting your news from Enron Musk and "No one should take us Foxing seriously" News isn't quite matching reality.

Would you like to try again?

[Pancho]

Who pays for the illegals housing, cell phones, clothing and daily food as they simply stay in the country and breath the air?

[Tater]

and now this latest fire just shines a light on their incompetence leading their people. Gonna see more people move away and it has probably ended Pretty Boy's presidential aspirations. What gross mismanagement resulting in millions of loss plus a few lives

Banging his best friend's wife will always prevent Newsome from being President. His only hope is to be the VP after 4 years of republicans ****ing things up and then president dies. He has 0 path to the presidency otherwise.

California has rebounded from fires and will again. Meanwhile should we go look at how shitty Katrina was handled or is that too easy of a dunk? I'll pass it up because you might just quit with those stats.

Newsflash - facts don't care about your feelings. California and New York subsidize states like Mississippi. It's just how our economy works. Big cities and tech hubs make cash. If California had an earthquake sending it into the water, the US economy would crumble. If Mississippi / Louisiana / Alabama all flooded, the NFL would move the Super Bowl to Jerryworld, relocate the Saints to St. Louis, and life would chug right along.

[Tater]

Who pays for the illegals housing, cell phones, clothing and daily food as they simply stay in the country and breath the air?

California pays for "Legals" safety, access to daily food and clothing, and allowing Mississippi to breathe free. Glass houses.

[Pancho]

nor sure about the enron musk thing you say but i betcha he gone work some federal budgets over and show what % of fed workers aren't needed. No telling what the folks who disagree will say then. Probably be like a ceo telling folks to be less divisive after a terrorist attack. will enron musk be involved in the prosecution of the jan6 committee?

[Pancho]

California pays for "Legals" safety, access to daily food and clothing, and allowing Mississippi to breathe free. Glass houses.

taxes

[Political Hack]

The west coast is prone to drought, wildfire, and earthquakes. LA is overpopulated and in the middle of a hornets nest of disasters.

Manhattan is sinking.

Miami floods every king tide.

Villages are moving inland in Alaska.

Memphis and Seattle sit on a massive fault line with half of downtown Memphis is a "liquefaction" zone.

New Orleans sits below sea level on the Gulf of Ameri... Mexico.

Seattle sits on a long overdue fault and has a significant tsunami risk.

This country is very young and some of the areas we built massive infrastructure in are incredibly disaster prone.

[Tater]

nor sure about the enron musk thing you say but i betcha he gone work some federal budgets over and show what % of fed workers aren't needed. No telling what the folks who disagree will say then. Probably be like a ceo telling folks to be less divisive after a terrorist attack. will enron musk be involved in the prosecution of the jan6 committee?

I wouldn't defend Enron Musk on this specific thread. The twitter stock is such an easy point to make. I used to think he was smart until he started talking openly about programming. I know programming. He's an idiot with that. I question if he's ever been actually smart at rocket science or electric cars.

[Pancho]

Then it is beneficial for you to enjoy living in a free country. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Sound like you need to be introduced to Mr Trump because he is an outside the box thinker. He seems pretty good with his starlink technology and even has liberals asking him to provide free service for the fire ravaged areas where they saved a fish.

[Coach34]

Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:
Would you like to try again?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Here ya go Retarded Warren- from the BBC (I can get other outlets as well)



Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico.

Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.

Encounters fell at the start of 2020 as arrivals slowed because of the pandemic.

The number of encounters is not a count of individuals who stay in the US as some migrants will be returned and the same person can be recorded trying to enter multiple times.

These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.

The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.

[Johnson85]

Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:

Mexico Population 2006 - 106,886,790
Mexico Population 2015 - 120,149,897
Mexico Population 2024 - 129,388,467

And Cali is losing business?

Cali GDP 2006 - $1.81 Trillion
Cali GDP 2015 - $2.47 Trillion
Cali GDP 2024 - $4.08 Trillion

Mississippi GDP 2006 - $0.088 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2015 - $0.105 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2024 - $0.139 Trillion

Almost like getting your news from Enron Musk and "No one should take us Foxing seriously" News isn't quite matching reality.

Would you like to try again?

Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

[Coach34]

Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

Not to mention silicon valley is mostly where their economic growth is coming from.

[Johnson85]

The west coast is prone to drought, wildfire, and earthquakes. LA is overpopulated and in the middle of a hornets nest of disasters.

Manhattan is sinking.

Miami floods every king tide.

Villages are moving inland in Alaska.

Memphis and Seattle sit on a massive fault line with half of downtown Memphis is a "liquefaction" zone.

New Orleans sits below sea level on the Gulf of Ameri... Mexico.

Seattle sits on a long overdue fault and has a significant tsunami risk.

This country is very young and some of the areas we built massive infrastructure in are incredibly disaster prone.

The wildifires are pretty different than the rest of those issues. Most of those can't really be addressed without moving. California could mitigate wildfires pretty significantly if they did forest management and if they still allowed things like reservoirs to be built.

[Pancho]

the tree huggers would riot and tie themselves to the forest floor if such a sane idea were put into action. that is why they are so against any water retention plans as well.

[Goldendawg]

I thought this was a sports site. Can any of these tree huggers or millions of illegals play OL, CB or WR and have we identified them?*****

[Johnson85]

I thought this was a sports site. Can any of these tree huggers or millions of illegals play OL, CB or WR and have we identified them?*****

The tree huggers are basically useless to us. We even beat them in one of their main sports, frisbee golf.

The illegals definitely have some potential. Not a good hit rate, but there's enough of them that some of the kids being brought across are definitely going to be contributors.

[Tater]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Here ya go Retarded Warren- from the BBC (I can get other outlets as well)



Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico.

Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.

Encounters fell at the start of 2020 as arrivals slowed because of the pandemic.

The number of encounters is not a count of individuals who stay in the US as some migrants will be returned and the same person can be recorded trying to enter multiple times.

These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.

The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.

"These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.
The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.
It says about a fifth of them arrived in 2010 or later but the majority arrived before this time, some as early as the 1980s."

Let's just step through this with some amount of thinking. Just some.


11 million Migrants.
1/5 arrived 2010 or later.
2.2 million Migrants arrived 2010 or later.
8.8 million Migrants arrived 1980-2009.
Bill Clinton was the only Democratic President from 1980 to 2009 (other than Obama's first year).

Your choice to continue making a very bad point is to try to argue a majority of them came in during Clinton's 8 years. Not a great argument but you can try to make it.

Now let's also look at the 2.2 million since 2010.
Trump had 2ish Million encounters at the borde in his presidency.
Biden had 10ish Million encounters at the border in his presidency.

Now the logical conclusions to draw here - more migrants tried to cross because of what they "thought" was a weak border under Biden. We can easily agree on that I hope.

Now I don't have the time to research the Obama 8 years with the same source as you've provided, but I'm gonna make a point here that you can't really refute. I'm going to assume Obama had "0" encounters and just failed to protect the border at all.

Assuming that ALL 11 million migrants came in only under democratic presidencies:
Clinton - 1.1 million / year
Obama+Biden - 0.18 million / year

Or if you think Obama was perfect and Trump was perfect
Biden - 0.55 million / year

Also - "An attempt to pass a cross-party bill to tighten border security failed in May 2024, with Harris saying that Trump "tanked it".
Biden issued an executive order the following month to quickly deport migrants at the border.
This means migrants can be sent back without having their asylum claims processed, if the average number of weekly encounters exceeded a certain threshold."

This was a smart political play by Trump and a huge problem with American politics. Similar things happened in 2020 in reverse, but the challenging party has no incentive to allow the incumbent party to pass partisan legislation in an election year. In fact they are better off blocking it. Our government setup is shitty in this regard.


Now to leave you with a thought. I just gave you stats for worst case scenarios for Dems based on your assessments. Do you really believe that a presidency that Quadrupled the number of migrants stopped at the border was worse at border control than? Really? This guy that stopped 10 million has less control of the border than the guy who stopped 2.5 million? Which one of them is preaching about too many government workers and bloat?

Do you get the picture yet?

[Santiago]

Banging his best friend's wife will always prevent Newsome from being President. His only hope is to be the VP after 4 years of republicans ****ing things up and then president dies. He has 0 path to the presidency otherwise.

California has rebounded from fires and will again. Meanwhile should we go look at how shitty Katrina was handled or is that too easy of a dunk? I'll pass it up because you might just quit with those stats.

Newsflash - facts don't care about your feelings. California and New York subsidize states like Mississippi. It's just how our economy works. Big cities and tech hubs make cash. If California had an earthquake sending it into the water, the US economy would crumble. If Mississippi / Louisiana / Alabama all flooded, the NFL would move the Super Bowl to Jerryworld, relocate the Saints to St. Louis, and life would chug right along.

Let's visit this ....
1. California passed a multi-BILLION dollar bond in 2014 for the purpose of water resevoirs. They have yet to build anything and cannot account for the money.
2. Lousianna - I remember seeing that Mayor on American Greed, for all his corruption. He was the most vocal about how things were handled. And in regard to how Katrina was handled.....again , like California, if you remember, they diverted funds that were intended for levee maintenance and repair and funneled it elsewhere. To say "how it was handled" , yes indeed look at the screw ups prior to it.

3. Western NC - FEMA says no money left to help, and they have been very slow in relief. FEMA directors told workers to ignore areas with Trump signs. Pathetic.
4. TX is where Cali and NY companies are moving to. I wonder why?
5. California population is falling. In the next Electoral voting realignment for states, California would drop and Florida and TX would increase.......unless.....somehow a ton of citizens are legalized or at least counted in the population calcs. There is your answer.


There is a common theme, and I feel like you might be too much on one side to see it.

[Tater]

Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

Calm down francis. I'm talking to people who put up the stock price on X date and Y date and point to that as proof. Sometimes you gotta slow roll dumb people with small statistics to build them up slowly in these convos.

Come back in 4 pages or so and they'll maybe be caught up to where you are and then I can address all of you at once. Yea I agree that one statistic isn't great method of arguing, but if I start talking about demographic % statistics, GDP growth % by county, etc - I'm just gonna lose them. Know your audience. This isn't a thread for people with half a functioning brain yet.

[was21]

USAA is the best for both homeowners and auto insurance if you're eligible.

[Tater]

Let's visit this ....
1. California passed a multi-BILLION dollar bond in 2014 for the purpose of water resevoirs. They have yet to build anything and cannot account for the money.
2. Lousianna - I remember seeing that Mayor on American Greed, for all his corruption. He was the most vocal about how things were handled.
3. Western NC - FEMA says no money left to help, and they have been very slow in relief.

There is a common theme, and I feel like you might be too much on one side to see it.

Yes the theme is you're looking for corruption on one side of the house and found 3 examples (one from 10 years ago mind you) to prove the narrative you want.

I just point to the 2020 (partisan-ly passed) CARES Act and how many republican politicians / lobbyists / companies that donate to republican super pacs had "record profits" and forgiven PPP loans. That's just one instance that outweighs the money you mentioned by 10x-100x.

Your problem is you've decided Ive argued Democrats are pure and Republicans are corrupt. I've never said the first part of that. Dems ain't perfect - most all republicans have shown you who they are since Reaganomics started failing in the late 80s.

The exception to the rule for dems is when one is corrupt / for big business.
The exception to the rule for repubs is when one is for the people.

That's my stance and most every large scale investigation supports this.

Edit: I gave you those 3 examples willingly. But on the 3rd one, go look at who voted against allowing FEMA more money.

[Coach34]

Holy crap Retarded Warren- what a long-winded pile of shit

A) First of all- I gave a number from 2022 simply from the Biden Admin that most people know to be wayyyy under represented. Alot of people figure the number to be around 30MM
B) Ten million un this admin alone- most of whom arent being turned away. They are being brought in. This admin has set record numbers because they encouraged illegal immigration and have let The Cartels roll them here. The Cartels are smuggling more people than drugs these days
C) Trump's numbers were way lower because of his Remain In Mexico policy- ya know, the one Biden got rid of on his 1st day?

You cant have triple digit encounters as we have had under this admin and blame it on Bill Clinton

[Santiago]

Yes the theme is you're looking for corruption on one side of the house and found 3 examples (one from 10 years ago mind you) to prove the narrative you want.

I just point to the 2020 (partisan-ly passed) CARES Act and how many republican politicians / lobbyists / companies that donate to republican super pacs had "record profits" and forgiven PPP loans. That's just one instance that outweighs the money you mentioned by 10x-100x.

Your problem is you've decided Ive argued Democrats are pure and Republicans are corrupt. I've never said the first part of that. Dems ain't perfect - most all republicans have shown you who they are since Reaganomics started failing in the late 80s.

The exception to the rule for dems is when one is corrupt / for big business.
The exception to the rule for repubs is when one is for the people.

That's my stance and most every large scale investigation supports this.

Edit: I gave you those 3 examples willingly. But on the 3rd one, go look at who voted against allowing FEMA more money.

The examples are the ones you mentioned.
It was just pretty easy to reply on your comments since they were lacking the entirety of the issue. These areas are run by one party so heavily that it is absolutely on them.
You mentioned Louisiana.... were corruption by that city leadership was so bad, the mayor was indicted. You mention how the situation was handled but seemed to leave out all the millions and billions of dollars given by tax payers for prevention.


Right now, no I don't give a flip about the party. It is pathetic anyone would try to defend those that are in charge in California. It is a one party rule, so no one to blame but themselves.
Where did all the tax payer money go for reservoirs?
The governor knocked down damns that were holding water.

Today, it is absolutely fair to make the politicians and leaders in California completely accountable.

[Pancho]

The reason Trump is so popular now is directly due to policies nation wide that are supported and put in place by folks who think like the leaders in Cali do.

[Coach34]

The reason Trump is so popular now is directly due to policies nation wide that are supported and put in place by folks who think like the leaders in Cali do.

You are exactly correct- with LA fires being the latest example

Saw the other day over 80% of people support voter ID yet we still have one side that continues to fight it politically

[Coach34]

thanks to the Mods for leaving this open for awhile. Probably time to lock it up and move on. Neither side is going to convince the other of anything for the most part.

Let's hope the weather doesnt affect Saturday's game vs Big Blue. Huge op for us this weekend

[Tater]

Holy crap Retarded Warren- what a long-winded pile of shit

A) First of all- I gave a number from 2022 simply from the Biden Admin that most people know to be wayyyy under represented. Alot of people figure the number to be around 30MM
B) Ten million un this admin alone- most of whom arent being turned away. They are being brought in. This admin has set record numbers because they encouraged illegal immigration and have let The Cartels roll them here. The Cartels are smuggling more people than drugs these days
C) Trump's numbers were way lower because of his Remain In Mexico policy- ya know, the one Biden got rid of on his 1st day?

You cant have triple digit encounters as we have had under this admin and blame it on Bill Clinton

You gave a number and then you say "I don't believe it"

There's no arguing with you. You don't even believe what you say. How could anyone else? Is Olivier Rioux one of those that you count since he's not American but not in those statistics? He's an "illegal" you have a "gut feel" is playing even though reality doesn't support you.

You're actually stupid. Please donate another $25 to our NIL to continue this conversation.

[Political Hack]

Y'all do know that Trump threatened the republican Congress to ensure they wouldn't pass needed border security legislation until he got back in office? It was agreed to in a bi-partisan manner and Biden was set to sign it. Then Trump squashed it from the golf course for political gain. Killed border security for political gain. And then exploited the poor border situation to get elected. And America bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm honestly just glad we didn't waste a billion dollars on a wall. God forbid someone figures out how to use a shovel or a rope. Much less a drone.

While both sides are busy screaming at one another and blaming the other party, BOTH are at fault. Politics itself is at fault. The way our system is run is at fault. I don't fault Trump at all for playing the game. He's better at it than the Democrats and this election proved it. We've allowed DC to just become another episode of Monday Night Raw.

[Tater]

thanks to the Mods for leaving this open for awhile. Probably time to lock it up and move on. Neither side is going to convince the other of anything for the most part.

Let's hope the weather doesnt affect Saturday's game vs Big Blue. Huge op for us this weekend

Oh I take it back. We agree here. Best post you've made. More of this, less of the socially illiterate pretending that small town Louisiana is the pinnacle of economic smarts and the forefront authority on population statistics.

[Tater]

Y'all do know that Trump threatened the republican Congress to ensure they wouldn't pass needed border security legislation until he got back in office. It was agreed to in a bi-partisan manner and Biden was set to sign in. Then Trump squashed it from the golf course for political gain. Killed border security for political gain. And then exploited the poor border situation to get elected. And America bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm honestly just glad we didn't waste a billion dollars on a wall. God forbid someone figures out how to use a shovel or a rope. Much less a drone.

While both sides are busy screaming at another and blaming the other party, BOTH are at fault. Politics itself is at fault. The way our system is run is at fault. I don't fault Trump at all for playing the game. He's better at it than the Democrats and this election proved it. We've allowed DC to just become another episode of Monday Night Raw.

No they're aware. They blew right past me pointing this out. Because it's easier to blame the big bad dems and "illegals" for their problems and not the business men paying foreign immigrants to come over cheaper wages than them and ruining the country to increase their bank account scoreboard. Glad we got Enron buying Trump and his policies in office. That's totally not how he's already trying to run this country.

[Political Hack]

Also, when our worst problem is that people are literally risking their lives to get into our country, we probably have it a lot better than we're realizing. Every single one of us has a roof over our heads, food in our belly, and gas in our tank but we continually find some reason to thrash "the other side." We should be much more thankful that we live in the greatest country in the world during the most prosperous time in human history.

[Tater]

Also, when our worst problem is that people are literally risking their lives to get into our country, we probably have it a lot better than we're realizing. Every single one of us has a roof over our heads, food in our belly, and gas in our tank but we continually find some reason to thrash "the other side." We should be much more thankful that we live in the greatest country in the world during the most prosperous time in human history.

I'd agree that we're a better country, but not so sure we can call ourselves the best anymore. Not the greatest of all time (probably early 80s, could say 90s, even bush years were better. Took a major nosedive during bush's second presidency and haven't reversed course enough since as much as Obama tried. 2024 was a good year, but blaming Biden for Trump's short term policies ruining 21/22 ruined any momentum to keep it going for people. )

[Political Hack]

I'd agree with that. The 80's and 90's were the perfect storm. Just enough technology, but not too much.

[Santiago]

Y'all do know that Trump threatened the republican Congress to ensure they wouldn't pass needed border security legislation until he got back in office? It was agreed to in a bi-partisan manner and Biden was set to sign it. Then Trump squashed it from the golf course for political gain. Killed border security for political gain. And then exploited the poor border situation to get elected. And America bought it hook, line, and sinker.

I'm honestly just glad we didn't waste a billion dollars on a wall. God forbid someone figures out how to use a shovel or a rope. Much less a drone.

While both sides are busy screaming at one another and blaming the other party, BOTH are at fault. Politics itself is at fault. The way our system is run is at fault. I don't fault Trump at all for playing the game. He's better at it than the Democrats and this election proved it. We've allowed DC to just become another episode of Monday Night Raw.

You know also, Biden sent troops to the TX Border to break the current laws, right?
Billion dollars on the wall...that is what maybe a week's pay to Ukraine?

The border bill presented by Democrats last year for election year show, was loaded with other stuff. It was not Trump. Let's be honest here on who was playing the game after 4 years.

[ScoobaDawg]

thanks to the Mods for leaving this open for awhile. Probably time to lock it up and move on. Neither side is going to convince the other of anything for the most part.

Let's hope the weather doesnt affect Saturday's game vs Big Blue. Huge op for us this weekend

Yea... I've been debating on just moving it off the main forum or killing it.
Well... now it's time to get back to talking about sports.

[Political Hack]

Yea... I've been debating on just moving it off the main forum or killing it.
Well... now it's time to get back to talking about sports.

Lol. Thanks Scooba.