NIL is creating parity

[msstate7]

ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams

[KOdawg1]

I think it's the portal more so than NIL, but NIL is a factor too. Teams can't hoard talent. Talented back ups are going elsewhere where they don't have to be backups anymore.

[msstate7]

I think it's the portal more so than NIL, but NIL is a factor too. Teams can't hoard talent. Talented back ups are going elsewhere where they don't have to be backups anymore.

I agree with you. I refer to NIL as portal for some reason when they aren't the same thing.

[DEDawg]

It?s great for us if we lose the 1970s mindset and play the game which Selmon seems good at doing. We will get burned of course, but overall we have a better shot at competing and having stars align for a great season

[bulldawg28]

It's the portal which is why we'll bounce back soon.

[HoopsDawg]

Also...Mike Bobo

[DownwardDawg]

ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams

I agree. But ND also has a much better coach now than when they last played the SEC Champs.

[coachnorm]

Just think about Las Vegas casinos stepping up and deciding what UNLV needs to compete for a national championship?

[BeardoMSU]

It?s great for us if we lose the 1970s mindset and play the game which Selmon seems good at doing. We will get burned of course, but overall we have a better shot at competing and having stars align for a great season

Yes

[BeardoMSU]

Also...Mike Bobo

Remember when he was a HC candidate for us, lol?

[Quaoarsking]

Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.

Why is that?

[HoopsDawg]

Also, No Saban.

Underrated factor: new clock rules. Teams can really burn clock now.

[maroonmania]

It's the portal which is why we'll bounce back soon.

Yea, it's NIL combined with unlimited transfers that's creating the parity. Every player with eligibility is a total free agent every year. It's a free for all with most players putting the money offer above anything else that a school offers. This is an environment unlike anything college football has ever experienced and it's only going to get more chaotic.

[HoopsDawg]

Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.

Why is that?

1) not a wealthy fanbase
2) Starkville is not a destination town
3) we have conditioned ourselves as a developmental program. Portal/NIL doesn't support that model.

But not sure your premise is even true about everyone loving the portal but us.

Side note, we have close to the most portal additions in the country.

[parabrave]

The problem is that the rich schools are going to get top talent sitting on a bench from a P5 school and others less fortunate are getting the leftovers from Western Michigan.

[LC Dawg]

ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams

I'm enjoying it.
I don't know if it will help us but I can't see how it would be much worse for us than the previous system. I do think the SEC as a whole better adapt quickly because just amassing the best players to win a championship won't happen anymore.

[KOdawg1]

Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.

Why is that?

We have the #5 ranked portal class in the country currently

[KOdawg1]

The problem is that the rich schools are going to get top talent sitting on a bench from a P5 school and others less fortunate are getting the leftovers from Western Michigan.

That's not the case at all.

[LC Dawg]

One thing that will benefit us is that there is no way in hell the SEC goes to 9 league games.

[CaptainObvious]

1) not a wealthy fanbase
2) Starkville is not a destination town
3) we have conditioned ourselves as a developmental program. Portal/NIL doesn't support that model.

But not sure your premise is even true about everyone loving the portal but us.

Side note, we have close to the most portal additions in the country.

Add that the NIL transfers we get are just here for the pay check whereas the NIL transfers to contenders are there for the pay check, to win, and to get recognition by Scouts!

[Coach34]

Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.

Why is that?

Because of players like Dazmin James at UPig. Didnt do shit all season at UPig- gets a chance in the bowl game and catches 3 balls for 137 yards. Instead of appreciating the start and being one of UPig's guys next season- he is entering the portal to try and get some extra cash from somewhere else.

State will never keep breakout players or any significant talent. They will move on to the blue blood higher bidder once they show something playing for us.

[Todd4State]

Remember when he was a HC candidate for us, lol?

Would have been better than Arnett and Barbay.

[Todd4State]

Because of players like Dazmin James at UPig. Didnt do shit all season at UPig- gets a chance in the bowl game and catches 3 balls for 137 yards. Instead of appreciating the start and being one of UPig's guys next season- he is entering the portal to try and get some extra cash from somewhere else.

State will never keep breakout players or any significant talent. They will move on to the blue blood higher bidder once they show something playing for us.

The majority of the ones we lose it seems to me are guys going back home like Zavion Thomas or Coleman.

[Coach34]

The majority of the ones we lose it seems to me are guys going back home like Zavion Thomas or Coleman.

Yes- Dillon went home to Washington and Woody went home to USC

[EdwardDrayton]

Yes- Dillon went home to Washington and Woody went home to USC

I thought Woody is from Georgia??!???

[Coach34]

I thought Woody is from Georgia??!???

I was being a smartass. They left us for better places

[EdwardDrayton]

I was being a smartass. They left us for better places

Yup. That they did.

[vv83]

Yes- Dillon went home to Washington and Woody went home to USC

Come on now. Your example is 2 RBs in an extremely RB unfriendly offense and one of those 2 RBs had a very public disagreement with the Leach right before it happened.

Yeah we will always lose players to the portal, but we should (and can this offseason) be a net positive from it and in theory be more competitive than we have been in our glorious, win filled, past that includes the legendary 1941 SEC championship and the 2014 Orange Bowl appearance.

We have been historic bottom dwellers our entire program lifespan, we have to embrace change and try to take advantage of new era protocol

[Coach34]

RaRa left for Georgia

I can name others but no need. State football is will be a constant fight for 6-6 from this day forward as long as constant transfers are allowed

[EdwardDrayton]

RaRa left for Georgia

I can name others but no need. State football is will be a constant fight for 6-6 from this day forward as long as constant transfers are allowed

Unfortunately this is true. <sigh>

[DownwardDawg]

RaRa left for Georgia

I can name others but no need. State football is will be a constant fight for 6-6 from this day forward as long as constant transfers are allowed
Yes. The transfer portal is killing us way more than NIL. Something has to be done to stop the transferring.

[CaptainObvious]

Yes. The transfer portal is killing us way more than NIL. Something has to be done to stop the transferring.

Nothing is going to be done. We. Are. A. Baseball. School.

[Quaoarsking]

We have the #5 ranked portal class in the country currently

Yeah, I'm talking about our fans, not the coaching staff (at last).

It seems like our fans overwhelmingly hate NIL and the portal, and fans of other schools with our level of prestige see it as the way out of mediocrity. Or maybe I'm overreacting to a small sample size.

[Todd4State]

Yes- Dillon went home to Washington and Woody went home to USC

Doesn't really matter because anyone we have lost we have replaced with someone in the portal as we are doing now.

Really it's a matter of time before we get completely up to speed with NIL because Cohen didn't know what he was doing.

See our top 6 portal class that we have put together after a 2-10 season.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, I'm talking about our fans, not the coaching staff (at last).

It seems like our fans overwhelmingly hate NIL and the portal, and fans of other schools with our level of prestige see it as the way out of mediocrity. Or maybe I'm overreacting to a small sample size.

I think many of our fans are uncomfortable with it. And I think it's because of MSU's football culture set by the athletic department in the past. MSU has long discouraged fans to pay for players even though yes it happened. But when our fans were caught in the act I can't remember a time in the past where MSU stood up for the University. team, and booster and instead cooperated with the NCAA and collected "exemplary compliance" trophies while actually penalizing the team worse than the NCAA would have in some cases.

Basically the attitude for years was "Yes we can play dirty and build a good football team but eventually it's all going to get taken away by the NCAA once we get caught so it's really not worth it."

It also allows for some very convenient excuses for our large group of fans that like to bitch just to bitch when they don't really have control of the situation. Now as it is fans have much more control because if a fan bitches and they aren't giving money they are at fault to a small degree. So when they bitch MSU fans can shoot back "Well if you don't like it donate more". There is a lot less on the fan when they can conveniently point to LT, Jackie, Dan, Leach, Arnett, Croom, etc. for screwing things up. The rants aren't so comfortable when the shoe is on the other foot.

I think that is changing based on the recent donation figures though. And it's not like you have to sell a kidney every month to participate in NIL. Anything helps.

Contrast that to Ole Miss where paying players is essentially part of their football tradition and culture. It's not surprising that they adapted to NIL a lot quicker than MSU. Eventually I think it's going to level out though because MSU has always had the potential to spend. It's just never really been tapped into until now.

[MoreCowbell]

Every "have not" fanbase in the Power Four loves the NIL and the portal ... except us.

Why is that?

Because our fan and alumni base is poor and in the poorest state

[MoreCowbell]

Yeah, I'm talking about our fans, not the coaching staff (at last).

It seems like our fans overwhelmingly hate NIL and the portal, and fans of other schools with our level of prestige see it as the way out of mediocrity. Or maybe I'm overreacting to a small sample size.

Dude we have no prestige

[MoreCowbell]

I think many of our fans are uncomfortable with it. And I think it's because of MSU's football culture set by the athletic department in the past. MSU has long discouraged fans to pay for players even though yes it happened. But when our fans were caught in the act I can't remember a time in the past where MSU stood up for the University. team, and booster and instead cooperated with the NCAA and collected "exemplary compliance" trophies while actually penalizing the team worse than the NCAA would have in some cases.

Basically the attitude for years was "Yes we can play dirty and build a good football team but eventually it's all going to get taken away by the NCAA once we get caught so it's really not worth it."

It also allows for some very convenient excuses for our large group of fans that like to bitch just to bitch when they don't really have control of the situation. Now as it is fans have much more control because if a fan bitches and they aren't giving money they are at fault to a small degree. So when they bitch MSU fans can shoot back "Well if you don't like it donate more". There is a lot less on the fan when they can conveniently point to LT, Jackie, Dan, Leach, Arnett, Croom, etc. for screwing things up. The rants aren't so comfortable when the shoe is on the other foot.

I think that is changing based on the recent donation figures though. And it's not like you have to sell a kidney every month to participate in NIL. Anything helps.

Contrast that to Ole Miss where paying players is essentially part of their football tradition and culture. It's not surprising that they adapted to NIL a lot quicker than MSU. Eventually I think it's going to level out though because MSU has always had the potential to spend. It's just never really been tapped into until now.

No it is because the deficit it insurmountable and most of us realize it.

If I go write a check for $25,000 tomorrow and give it to football NIL what tangible difference would that make? Other SEC school have at least 20x the manpower and money we have and no one trusts the leadership in charge.

Plus the thought of my hard earned money going to some kid I do not know, who will be here for 5 months, to play 17ing football then leave absolutely infuriates me


Shit, our last 2 ADs-graduates, athlete, coach, stepfather MSU legend, both ditched here to go to rival schools. Cohen leaving should tell you everything you need to know about how bad our situation is. Them leaving does not give me a good feeling about where we are headed.

[The Federalist Engineer]

NIL also has consequences... you allow an unathletic donor kid on your team for money and then allow the kid on the sideline out of pity... then the Georgia Rudy helps ND in a key moment

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[AROB44]

Because our fan and alumni base is poor and in the poorest state

Our fan and alumni base is more cheap than anything else.

[Quaoarsking]

Because our fan and alumni base is poor and in the poorest state

There are plenty of schools in "poor states" whose fanbases have embraced the portal and have found success with it. Why can't we? Our alumni base is probably on the poorer half of FBS alumni base wealth rankings, but it's not DFL.


Dude we have no prestige

We have "low" prestige sure (as I said in the post you replied to), but there are dozens of FBS schools with less prestige than us. We were the 20th best program in the country between 2009 and 2022, and most of that was without being able to bring in high quality transfers. We could be that level of program again with the right coach.

[Coach34]

But those schools aren’t playing in the SEC

We lost our top QB target in the portal after we had him locked up for 750K. Auburn offered 2MM and he said sorry Lebbo- the money is too much. Then we let the bright spot on offense go to LSU. Now we have plastic man and a guy Fla State didn’t want anymore.

Football at State is done under the current conditions.

[Pancho]

Norvell is letting Gus search for a system QB for his offense.

[Quaoarsking]

But those schools aren’t playing in the SEC

Yeah, some of them are playing in a tougher conference!

[msu15]

But those schools aren’t playing in the SEC

We lost our top QB target in the portal after we had him locked up for 750K. Auburn offered 2MM and he said sorry Lebbo- the money is too much. Then we let the bright spot on offense go to LSU. Now we have plastic man and a guy Fla State didn’t want anymore.

Football at State is done under the current conditions.

You need to change your name to TittyBaby34

[War Machine Dawg]

Lmao, parity? Not even close. It's concentrated the talent into a very small number of traditional, rich powerhouse schools. ND just happens to be one of them. And this playoff is proving that 8 was always the right number. 12 is too many.

[Extendedcab]

Some of you NIL guys are talking out both sides of your mouth. NIL is great it brings parity and NIL is horrible as the Blue Bloods will eat MSU's and all smaller schools lunch with money being offered to "Student Athletes".

I am listing below what the internet thinks of NIL - and it is not good!

Overview:

The once cherished notion of college athletics as a pure, amateur pursuit is rapidly eroding under the weight of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL), where the allure of lucrative deals is transforming the landscape from a place of school pride to a transactional marketplace, effectively "destroying" college sports by prioritizing individual profit over the traditional team-first mentality, disproportionately benefiting top programs and leaving smaller schools struggling to compete, all while blurring the lines between collegiate and professional athletics.

Key points highlighting NIL's destructive impact

Recruiting Chaos:
Top recruits are now heavily swayed by the potential NIL earnings offered by schools, leading to a "bidding war" where the highest paying institutions attract the best talent, regardless of academic fit or program history, creating an uneven playing field.

Powerhouse Domination:
Big-name schools with large alumni networks and established brand power are easily able to secure lucrative NIL deals for their athletes, further widening the gap between them and smaller programs who struggle to compete financially.

Loss of Amateurism:
The core concept of college athletics, where student-athletes play for the love of the game and the pride of their school, is being undermined as the focus shifts towards personal financial gain through NIL deals.

Blurring the lines between college and professional athletics:
NIL deals allow student athletes to make money off their personal brand, which some say creates an unstable atmosphere where athletes are constantly being recruited with promises of pay.

Transfer Portal Exploitation:
NIL further fuels the transfer portal, allowing athletes to easily jump between schools based on the promise of bigger NIL opportunities, disrupting team chemistry and stability.


Ethical Concerns:
Concerns arise about potential exploitation of athletes, particularly in high-profile sports, where the pressure to secure lucrative deals could lead to poor decision-making or prioritizing commercial opportunities over academic pursuits.

Disrupting team cohesion:
NIL deals can create disparities in earning potential between teammates, which can lead to jealousy and resentment.

Taking talent away from smaller schools:
Larger programs can offer players more money and a better chance at professional sports, which can lead to players leaving smaller schools.

Creating a class system:
NIL deals can create a class system within college athletics, where some players earn a significant amount of money while others earn little or nothing.

Undermining the authenticity of college sports:
Some say that NIL has made playing for your brand more important than playing for your school, which can make college sports less authentic for students and fans.

Lack of legal protection:
Some say that there is a lack of legal protection in verbal and written NIL agreements.


In Summary:

"Once, the roar of the crowd at a college football game was a celebration of school spirit, where fans rallied behind their team, regardless of the players' personal wealth. Now, the buzz is often about which star athlete just signed a million-dollar NIL deal with a local business, and which school is offering the most lucrative package to the next big recruit. The allure of big money has turned the college sports landscape into a free-for-all, where the traditional values of teamwork and amateurism are increasingly sacrificed at the altar of personal profit."

So why are you pro-NIL guys for NIL? There is no where for this to go except in the toilet! The genie is out of the bottle and I do not think there is a way to put the genie back in the bottle without destroying the whole college sport systems and starting over! Today, it is a total unadulterated mess!!

[GeoDawg]

NIL/Transfer portal is a rather simple equation for me. It's like a company asking me to contribute to a fund so that they can use the money to go out and hire away their competitor's best employees. The company's pitch is that they will be able to produce a better product.

Why would I do that? Produce the product at your own cost and I will decide whether why I want to buy it or not. Period.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

[DEDawg]

Some of you NIL guys are talking out both sides of your mouth. NIL is great it brings parity and NIL is horrible as the Blue Bloods will eat MSU's and all smaller schools lunch with money being offered to "Student Athletes".

I am listing below what the internet thinks of NIL - and it is not good!

Overview:

The once cherished notion of college athletics as a pure, amateur pursuit is rapidly eroding under the weight of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL), where the allure of lucrative deals is transforming the landscape from a place of school pride to a transactional marketplace, effectively "destroying" college sports by prioritizing individual profit over the traditional team-first mentality, disproportionately benefiting top programs and leaving smaller schools struggling to compete, all while blurring the lines between collegiate and professional athletics.

Key points highlighting NIL's destructive impact

Recruiting Chaos:
Top recruits are now heavily swayed by the potential NIL earnings offered by schools, leading to a "bidding war" where the highest paying institutions attract the best talent, regardless of academic fit or program history, creating an uneven playing field.

Powerhouse Domination:
Big-name schools with large alumni networks and established brand power are easily able to secure lucrative NIL deals for their athletes, further widening the gap between them and smaller programs who struggle to compete financially.

Loss of Amateurism:
The core concept of college athletics, where student-athletes play for the love of the game and the pride of their school, is being undermined as the focus shifts towards personal financial gain through NIL deals.

Blurring the lines between college and professional athletics:
NIL deals allow student athletes to make money off their personal brand, which some say creates an unstable atmosphere where athletes are constantly being recruited with promises of pay.

Transfer Portal Exploitation:
NIL further fuels the transfer portal, allowing athletes to easily jump between schools based on the promise of bigger NIL opportunities, disrupting team chemistry and stability.


Ethical Concerns:
Concerns arise about potential exploitation of athletes, particularly in high-profile sports, where the pressure to secure lucrative deals could lead to poor decision-making or prioritizing commercial opportunities over academic pursuits.

Disrupting team cohesion:
NIL deals can create disparities in earning potential between teammates, which can lead to jealousy and resentment.

Taking talent away from smaller schools:
Larger programs can offer players more money and a better chance at professional sports, which can lead to players leaving smaller schools.

Creating a class system:
NIL deals can create a class system within college athletics, where some players earn a significant amount of money while others earn little or nothing.

Undermining the authenticity of college sports:
Some say that NIL has made playing for your brand more important than playing for your school, which can make college sports less authentic for students and fans.

Lack of legal protection:
Some say that there is a lack of legal protection in verbal and written NIL agreements.


In Summary:

"Once, the roar of the crowd at a college football game was a celebration of school spirit, where fans rallied behind their team, regardless of the players' personal wealth. Now, the buzz is often about which star athlete just signed a million-dollar NIL deal with a local business, and which school is offering the most lucrative package to the next big recruit. The allure of big money has turned the college sports landscape into a free-for-all, where the traditional values of teamwork and amateurism are increasingly sacrificed at the altar of personal profit."

So why are you pro-NIL guys for NIL? There is no where for this to go except in the toilet! The genie is out of the bottle and I do not think there is a way to put the genie back in the bottle without destroying the whole college sport systems and starting over! Today, it is a total unadulterated mess!!

Well thank god you pasted a chatGPT output where you didn?t even show the input you fed it. now we know the truth

[DEDawg]

NIL/Transfer portal is a rather simple equation for me. It's like a company asking me to contribute to a fund so that they can use the money to go out and hire away their competitor's best employees. The company's pitch is that they will be able to produce a better product.

Why would I do that? Produce the product at your own cost and I will decide whether why I want to buy it or not. Period.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

Because your concept of a company is incorrect. Companies raise funds issuing debt via series ABC, VC, angels, IPO, lines of credit, SBA. Very rarely you will find a company that is fully bootstrap

[Extendedcab]

Well thank god you pasted a chatGPT output where you didn?t even show the input you fed it. now we know the truth

The input to ChatGPT and another tool as well was “How is NIL destroying college sports “. The answer is quite comprehensive.

ETA

What does it matter the question I asked? It searched its dataset ( I have no control over that) and came to the conclusions listed. Can you dispute any points it listed? Do you think college sports is better off today?

[Pancho]

how many of the 12 teams in the 24 playoff will then be in it again in 25?

[GeoDawg]

Because your concept of a company is incorrect. Companies raise funds issuing debt via series ABC, VC, angels, IPO, lines of credit, SBA. Very rarely you will find a company that is fully bootstrap

If some of you want to act as investors, banks, etc., go right ahead. The irony is you're not an investor, you're a subsidizer. Not me I'm the customer.

I'll sit back and watch your subsidy go down the drain.

[DEDawg]

The input to ChatGPT and another tool as well was “How is NIL destroying college sports “. The answer is quite comprehensive.

ETA

What does it matter the question I asked? It searched its dataset ( I have no control over that) and came to the conclusions listed. Can you dispute any points it listed? Do you think college sports is better off today?

Now do ?How is NIL benefiting college sports? and you would get all the opposite. Point being, ask I biased question get a biased answer

[DEDawg]

If some of you want to act as investors, banks, etc., go right ahead. The irony is you're not an investor, you're a subsidizer. Not me I'm the customer.

I'll sit back and watch your subsidy go down the drain.

Don?t get cranky, you literally asked someone to tell you were your comparison was wrong. It?s a dumb comparison either way that doesn?t really apply

[GeoDawg]

Don?t get cranky, you literally asked someone to tell you were your comparison was wrong. It?s a dumb comparison either way that doesn?t really apply

No, my comparison is totally valid. MSU athletics is in the entertainment business. It is not a charity or non-profit. At least not anymore. That's out the window.

[schddog72]

ND wouldn't have stood a chance against the sec champs a few seasons ago. ASU in the playoffs. Ohio state, Georgia, and Texas in it, but with 2 losses. Not sure if this environment will help us, but it's definitely breaking up super teams

I'm going to totally disagree with you, as in 180 degrees. The transfer portal & NIL, in their current forms, are totally dismantling semblance of parity that the NCAA was ever a semblance of. Ultimately, NIL and unlimited transfers will create a super division/conference of most of the current "HAVES" (hint: it don't include MSU) and a somewhat larger group of the "have-nots" )which DOES include MSU. Unless drastic changes are made, the rich will continue to get richer and the poor will get poorer and will become just leftovers. College football is now the NFL but without rules, structure, or sideboards, and as it is, NFL means NOT FOR LONG. The real NFL is built and designed to promote parity based on talent in evaluating and living within a salary cap. College football at this time is ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS!! All you have to do is look a few miles to the north of Starkvegas and to most of this year's 12 playoff teams for confirmation. Otherwise, the rest of the bowls were taken from the "have-not" population (excluding, of course, DOS, et als). This picture is not about to change unless some NFL-type structure is added to the equation.

Apologies for direahea of the keyboard, but absurdity of this thread lead just set me off.

[Coach34]

Here is all you need to know:

Lebby had a deal with Arnold to come to State for 750K. He signed the paper. We thought we were good.

Auburn jumped in and offered 2MM. Arnold said **** you and your paper. I'm going to Auburn.

Then LSU took our young QB for about the same price we offered Arnold

This is our future in the SEC

[HoopsDawg]

Here is all you need to know:

Lebby had a deal with Arnold to come to State for 750K. He signed the paper. We thought we were good.

Auburn jumped in and offered 2MM. Arnold said **** you and your paper. I'm going to Auburn.

Then LSU took our young QB for about the same price we offered Arnold

This is our future in the SEC

Damn

[Coach34]

Damn

and here is what our fans either dont understand or dont want to admit:

Our QB signee- KT- who has MSU blood- is going to leave for a blue blood and double the money the second he has success at State. Ohio State or whomever will offer him 4MM while we are only able to pay 2MM at most to keep him. That is our future

[Todd4State]

Here is all you need to know:

Lebby had a deal with Arnold to come to State for 750K. He signed the paper. We thought we were good.

Auburn jumped in and offered 2MM. Arnold said **** you and your paper. I'm going to Auburn.

Then LSU took our young QB for about the same price we offered Arnold

This is our future in the SEC

I will take Kromenhoek over MVB. We came out better. In the old days we would have to sit around and wait three seasons for our 5'10" QB to figure out how to read a defense.

[Coach34]

We’ll have to disagree. I think we downgraded. MVB looked better as a true freshman and the stats back it up in a better conference

[Todd4State]

We’ll have to disagree. I think we downgraded. MVB looked better as a true freshman and the stats back it up in a better conference

MVB has a much larger sample size and Lebby is a much better OC than FSU's OC Alex Atkins. Kromenhoeck is 6'4" and has a stronger arm plus he had over 100 yards rushing in a FSU offense that doesn't really ask the QB to run much. MVB actually had negative rushing yards but the thing that bothered me the most about MVB was his awareness at times. He would take delay of game penalties and would start sliding way short of the first down marker. I know he is a freshman but those are things that even an average high school QB should know. MVB was also 5'10" which is not much taller than Tyson Lee was and it definitely was a factor in getting passes knocked down. Not to mention he also struggled with some shorter passes.

Both are raw but we're getting a lot more upside with Kroemenhoek and a lot more physical talent and to your point we may have lost MVB but the reality is we replaced him with someone that is at worst comparable.

[MoreCowbell]

I will take Kromenhoek over MVB. We came out better. In the old days we would have to sit around and wait three seasons for our 5'10" QB to figure out how to read a defense.

Kromenhoeck was terrible the 1 game I watched

[AROB44]

Kromenhoeck was terrible the 1 game I watched

Well...that should settle it. He should never have been recruited. ***********

[Extendedcab]

Now do ?How is NIL benefiting college sports? and you would get all the opposite. Point being, ask I biased question get a biased answer

Even putting in a non-biased question "Is NIL good or bad for college sports" the only positive answer it lists is for the "student athlete". They do not mention any benefit for the university, students, fans or for the sport itself.

[Quaoarsking]

Well all over the country, NIL and the portal are closing the gap between the Power Conference have-nots and the Elites. It can be us too, and maybe it will be going forward.

[Coursesuper]

Lmao, parity? Not even close. It's concentrated the talent into a very small number of traditional, rich powerhouse schools. ND just happens to be one of them. And this playoff is proving that 8 was always the right number. 12 is too many.

This is true. To everyone else it an illusion. Most bowl game suck due to the portal and the rich are getting richer.

[parabrave]

The NIL is not the main reason for the Chaos is Football, right now that is. Players have been getting paid 6 figures to 7 figures for years with their "advisors" or preachers acting on their nephews behalf. Think Reggie Bush and yes Cam Newton, Marcus Dupree hell go back to John David Crow, with a shout out to "The Junction Boys". The main problem is the transfer portal and until the NCAA puts a lid on that pandora box the game is gonna suck. Also The current NIL format is not sustainable for most of the schools. Now that it's out from beneath the table there are now bidding wars for top talent and schools with stupid rich Alumni and most schools are just not going to be able to compete with The Texas big 2 Notre Dame and hell if Stanford ever got Smart big tech schools. Most Alumni who had to scratch and claw to put themselves through college working minimum wage jobs are just going to say screw it and find other things to entertain themselves on Saturday/ Now this is just for football. I think MBBs are different due to the size of the teams.

[MoreCowbell]

Well...that should settle it. He should never have been recruited. ***********

Don?t be a drama queen

[Turfdawg67]

Well all over the country, NIL and the portal are closing the gap between the Power Conference have-nots and the Elites. It can be us too, and maybe it will be going forward.

So going forward we can expect a $20M surplus to, at best, break even for 6-8 wins a year? Yay!!

[Ezsoil]

The coach may be better but their schedule was Ole Miss Soft

[Coach34]

Well all over the country, NIL and the portal are closing the gap between the Power Conference have-nots and the Elites. It can be us too, and maybe it will be going forward.

Where? Big Ten was Oregon, Ohio St, and Penn St as usual. Indiana had a dream schedule to avoid the top teams except Ohio ST
SEC? Texas, Georgia, and Tenn, followed by Bama.
ACC? Clemson. SMU won 11 the year before they joined the ACC
Big 12? All the big dawgs left so its a whole conference of have nots battling now

[DEDawg]

Where? Big Ten was Oregon, Ohio St, and Penn St as usual. Indiana had a dream schedule to avoid the top teams except Ohio ST
SEC? Texas, Georgia, and Tenn, followed by Bama.
ACC? Clemson. SMU won 11 the year before they joined the ACC
Big 12? All the big dawgs left so its a whole conference of have nots battling now

Purposely leaving out 2 teams that completely flipped the roster in 1 season and made the playoffs is an interesting miss. Vandy seemed to have luck closing the gap this year, think I recall they beat a team they traditionally do not.

[Coach34]

Purposely leaving out 2 teams that completely flipped the roster in 1 season and made the playoffs is an interesting miss. Vandy seemed to have luck closing the gap this year, think I recall they beat a team they traditionally do not.

A) Those two teams would have been 6-6 in the SEC
B) Vandy in all their glory went 6-6.....which is what we are hoping for with our 12-13MM dollars we are spending

[parabrave]

ASU caught fire with a dam good Norm Bulaich and a coach who will be transferring to BAMA or LSU after next year. BTW I can't wait to see Sketterbro in the NFL.

[Coach34]

Indiana's Big Ten Wins:

4-8 UCLA
4-8 Northwestern
1-11 Purdue
7-6 Nebraska
8-5 Michigan
6-7 Washington
5-7 Michigan St

Indiana had a dream schedule and took advantage

[msstate7]

Indiana's Big Ten Wins:

4-8 UCLA
4-8 Northwestern
1-11 Purdue
7-6 Nebraska
8-5 Michigan
6-7 Washington
5-7 Michigan St

Indiana had a dream schedule and took advantage

They were 3-9 last season, so even with a soft schedule, it was a big time turn around

[msstate7]

ASU caught fire with a dam good Norm Bulaich and a coach who will be transferring to BAMA or LSU after next year. BTW I can't wait to see Sketterbro in the NFL.

Since we talking about a white rb, I say he ends up more Jacob Hester than Alstott

[Quaoarsking]

They were 3-9 last season, so even with a soft schedule, it was a big time turn around

In fact, they finished with a winning record only twice in last 16 seasons, but then the portal and NIL sent to the playoffs. "Weak schedule" (still in the toughest FBS conference) or not, I think we can all agree that if the portal and NIL had never been a thing, they wouldn't have been anywhere close to the playoffs.

[DEDawg]

In fact, they finished with a winning record only twice in last 16 seasons, but then the portal and NIL sent to the playoffs. "Weak schedule" (still in the toughest FBS conference) or not, I think we can all agree that if the portal and NIL had never been a thing, they wouldn't have been anywhere close to the playoffs.

Yep. It really is an asinine argument to try to even make. Plain and simple there is no chance Indiana makes the playoffs without NIL and Portal. and if they weren?t in it guess who makes it in that wildcard spot? Alabama who was left out. That is parity.

[Coach34]

They were 3-9 last season, so even with a soft schedule, it was a big time turn around

They hired a new coach that brought alot of players with him

[Coach34]

Yep. It really is an asinine argument to try to even make. Plain and simple there is no chance Indiana makes the playoffs without NIL and Portal. and if they weren?t in it guess who makes it in that wildcard spot? Alabama who was left out. That is parity.

The point is that doesnt happen in the SEC. It helped them in the Big Ten. They dont get a candy schedule like that in the SEC. They get one like we have

[DEDawg]

The point is that doesnt happen in the SEC. It helped them in the Big Ten. They dont get a candy schedule like that in the SEC. They get one like we have

I would argue it did happen with Ole Miss and Vandy. which honestly bodes extremely well for us. Ole Miss missed the playoffs, but let?s be honest they were one of the 12 best teams and if Lane stays will get in at some point. With Vandy yeah they went 6-6 but how often do they do tbat? Once every 15 years or something? We are Mississippi state, historically a 4-5 win program. Our goal shouldn?t be playoffs yet it should be getting back to a bowl standard of 7 or 8 wins per year. We embrace NIL and transfer portal that is very possible to sustain.

[Offshore Dawg]

Let's shed a little perspective on this subject, Phil Knight has given Oregon just over $1,000,000,000. Yes, that's a Billion, he also gives Ohio State $16,000,000 a year for their NIL. I know one example but what do the dawgs have coming in and how much money for NIL will be available next year then the next. Three years at the rate State is spending will take $50,000,000 just to play. Seems other than a booster telling another fan HaHa WE beat you. The real winners seem to be the car dealers, Jewlery stores, tattoo shop and Girlfriends.

[Quaoarsking]

The point is that doesnt happen in the SEC. It helped them in the Big Ten. They dont get a candy schedule like that in the SEC. They get one like we have

You're using 70s/80s/90s/00s/10s/early20s logic. The Big 10 is better than the SEC now.

Indiana may have missed the 2nd and 4th best Big 10 teams from their schedule, but they at least won all their games against the mid-level competition, and that's not something Alabama and Ole Miss can say.

[GeoDawg]

Let's shed a little perspective on this subject, Phil Knight has given Oregon just over $1,000,000,000. Yes, that's a Billion, he also gives Ohio State $16,000,000 a year for their NIL. I know one example but what do the dawgs have coming in and how much money for NIL will be available next year then the next. Three years at the rate State is spending will take $50,000,000 just to play. Seems other than a booster telling another fan HaHa WE beat you. The real winners seem to be the car dealers, Jewlery stores, tattoo shop and Girlfriends.

That's why from my perspective, the sooner it burns down, the better. Stop feeding the beast. I know that's a terrible attitude and sacrilegious for some, but an intervention is needed.

[Coach34]

You're using 70s/80s/90s/00s/10s/early20s logic. The Big 10 is better than the SEC now.

Maybe this 1 season it was at the top- but thats not the case year after year. And in-season match-ups, the SEC was 3-0 vs the Big Ten (I'm not concerned about non-playoff match-ups in bowls when teams are down 15-20 players with starters sitting out as well)

Texas beat Michigan. Texas also beat the Big 12 champ
Tenn lost to Ohio St on the road with a freshman QB in the playoff
Bama curbstomped Wisconsin on the road
LSU beat UCLA

[Quaoarsking]

... And LSU lost to USC? Did you just "forget" about that one?

"The SEC was 3-0 against the Big 10 when you exclude the losses I declare don't matter, the one that did matter but it's OK because Tennessee had a freshman quarterback (who also played last year), and the one I forgot about."

[Coach34]

SEC was 3-1 vs the Big Ten

point still stands

[Quaoarsking]

SEC was 3-1 vs the Big Ten

point still stands

3-1 if you selectively include or exclude the games you want.

[Pancho]

he had a brain fart and has recently been to a meth lab. have you not ever had a brain fart?

[Quaoarsking]

he had a brain fart and has recently been to a meth lab. have you not ever had a brain fart?

Yes, but if you exclude all of them, I haven't.

[Pancho]

you sound like the lady at the game yesterday

[Coach34]

3-1 if you selectively include or exclude the games you want.

If you consider bowl games with rosters missing 20 players or more a good measuring stick- then have at it. The SEC was 3-1 vs Big Ten in the regular season when rosters were intact

[MBDawg601]

Big 10 is a good margin better than the SEC and will have an all big 10 natty this year. SEC has proven in bowl performances that they are not up to par.

[parabrave]

Speaking of Big Ten and NIL I was reading where Michigan flipped LSUs star QB recruit paying him 12 mil over a 4 year period. When they said they were investing 50 mil to their NIL they weren't kidding. Some famous alumni, Tom Brady, Portnoy is involved and some billionaire named Theisen. Also they have numerous Tech Billionaires. And unlike about 80% of colleges they can reload the bank every year.

[Pancho]

that is how the system works