Staff Changes

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looks like Cody Kennedy will be moving on. We will bringing Phil Loadholt from Colorado. Also bringing in Vincent Dancy to coach DEs and OLBs. TBD If this means Turner returns. My personal guess is that he will be in more of an analyst role this year and Dancy will take over the entire DL OFFICIALLY next year. This also moves Coleman to just ILBs

[BigDawg81]

They moved Turner inside to coach Defensive Tackles only

[HancockCountyDog]

Looks like Cody Kennedy will be moving on. We will bringing Phil Loadholt from Colorado. Also bringing in Vincent Dancy to coach DEs and OLBs. TBD If this means Turner returns. My personal guess is that he will be in more of an analyst role this year and Dancy will take over the entire DL OFFICIALLY next year. This also moves Coleman to just ILBs

That makes sense why OL portal recruiting has been sh!t.

[Todd4State]

No one treats football coaches that have had an ounce of success in the past better than Mississippi State.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They moved Turner inside to coach Defensive Tackles only

That was the announcement. I would not be the least bit surprised if Turner did not have a headset game 1.

[Todd4State]

They moved Turner inside to coach Defensive Tackles only

I think you might see schools eventually get to where you have coordinators who just call plays and then have 10 recruiters who recruit off campus and coach position groups.

I'd personally go:

OC- off the field
QB
RB
WR
TE
OL
DC- off the field
DL
OLB/EDGE
ILB
CB
S/Nickle
ST- off the field
K/P- off the field

[Todd4State]

That was the announcement. I would not be the least bit surprised if Turner did not have a headset game 1.

Sounds to me like they're Ok with his coaching but not happy with his recruiting. Which is in line with the talk amongst fans.

[DEDawg]

Sounds to me like they're Ok with his coaching but not happy with his recruiting. Which is in line with the talk amongst fans.

I'm the biggest Lebby supporter here, but if they are ok with his coaching then that's a serious red flag

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm the biggest Lebby supporter here, but if they are ok with his coaching then that's a serious red flag

I would be willing to give him another year on the coaching. He can coach when he has talent. He is a crappy recruiter though, and has been for like 10-12 years. Saying that, I feel like this is a way to ease him out instead of straight up firing him. I mean you only get 15 headsets for coaches on gameday. I seriously doubt he has a headset next year. I feel like he will quietly be reassigned to an analyst position and sit in booth with our headset guys on gamedays.

[confucius say]

I'm the biggest Lebby supporter here, but if they are ok with his coaching then that's a serious red flag

I thought our DT play improved tremendously through the year. Kpaka and Mclendon were much better at Thanksgiving than Labor Day.
KBJ (4 games) and Dinkins (1 game) hardly played so who knows.
Our DT struggles are way more talent than coaching

[Todd4State]

I thought our DT play improved tremendously through the year. Kpaka and Mclendon were much better at Thanksgiving than Labor Day.
KBJ (4 games) and Dinkins (1 game) hardly played so who knows.
Our DT struggles are way more talent than coaching

In theory his group should be ahead of the others. He has been back since Leach passed away and he had a one year head start on everyone except for Bumphis on our staff.

[bulldawg28]

Looks like Cody Kennedy will be moving on. We will bringing Phil Loadholt from Colorado. Also bringing in Vincent Dancy to coach DEs and OLBs. TBD If this means Turner returns. My personal guess is that he will be in more of an analyst role this year and Dancy will take over the entire DL OFFICIALLY next year. This also moves Coleman to just ILBs

These are great hires

[StarkVegasSteve]

These are great hires

I like bringing in both. I think there is a chance they both bring guys with them.

[bulldawg28]

I like bringing in both. I think there is a chance they both bring guys with them.

What guys?

[maroonmania]

I would be willing to give him another year on the coaching. He can coach when he has talent. He is a crappy recruiter though, and has been for like 10-12 years. Saying that, I feel like this is a way to ease him out instead of straight up firing him. I mean you only get 15 headsets for coaches on gameday. I seriously doubt he has a headset next year. I feel like he will quietly be reassigned to an analyst position and sit in booth with our headset guys on gamedays.

Sorry, but assistant coaches, especially those that are not coordinators, that can't or won't recruit are basically useless. Especially this day and age. Development of player groups have become less important than ever because nobody much hangs around to be developed. There is no reason for Turner to still have a job if he can't get players.

[NCDawg]

I like bringing in both. I think there is a chance they both bring guys with them.

I note Loadholt also has Oklahoma ties, having graduated there. Looks as if we're becoming an Oklahoma farm club. Maybe when Venables is probably fired next year, we can hire him for our defense.

[KB21]

https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/20090105__20090106_C03_SP06FBCBCSp1.jpg?w=600
Our OL coach and TE coach

[Todd4State]

What guys?

Carde Smith seems to be the most obvious/likely.

[Pancho]

any thought son Oatis?

[KB21]

Carde Smith seems to be the most obvious/likely.

I'm curious to see if Deion actually stays there after his sons go pro. There has been some talk that he's trying to get his foot in the door of an NFL job.

[Todd4State]

I'm curious to see if Deion actually stays there after his sons go pro. There has been some talk that he's trying to get his foot in the door of an NFL job.

It's definitely not his last stop. He might end up at Florida State once they get enough money to fire Norvell.

I think a NFL team is going to be hesitant to hire him because they know that means that Shadeur is their QB no matter what whether they like it or not. The only teams that would agree to that would be a team in a complete rebuild that don't have a star QB already.

[bulldawg28]

Carde Smith seems to be the most obvious/likely.

Gotcha

[DEDawg]

I'm curious to see if Deion actually stays there after his sons go pro. There has been some talk that he's trying to get his foot in the door of an NFL job.

Would be great for us

[HoopsDawg]

this is good news guys. be happy for once.

[msu15]

this is good news guys. be happy for once.

Nobody is bitching in this thread. Pipe down Francis

[HoopsDawg]

Nobody is bitching in this thread. Pipe down Francis

eat a dick

[Turfdawg67]

eat a dick

Lol. Two in one day…

[KB21]

Paul Rhoads added as an analyst

[Todd4State]

Looks like we just hired the guy who should be our DC as an analyst in Paul Rhodes. Hopefully he gets one of the 15 headsets. I think I speak for all of us when I say that.

[Pancho]

roger that

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looks like we just hired the guy who should be our DC as an analyst in Paul Rhodes. Hopefully he gets one of the 15 headsets. I think I speak for all of us when I say that.

As I said earlier in the day, I would be VERY SURPRISED if David Turner had a headset game 1. Also funny enough, Rhoads was the DC for Mark Hudspeth at Gulf Shores HS in 2022

[Pancho]

some research there steve

[Todd4State]

As I said earlier in the day, I would be VERY SURPRISED if David Turner had a headset game 1. Also funny enough, Rhoads was the DC for Mark Hudspeth at Gulf Shores HS in 2022

Rosebowl told me that Turner would be recruiting on the field next year. I asked him who would be the off the field assistant and I haven't gotten a response back.

Rhoads I'm assuming will have one of the 15 headsets.

[basedog]

As I said earlier in the day, I would be VERY SURPRISED if David Turner had a headset game 1. Also funny enough, Rhoads was the DC for Mark Hudspeth at Gulf Shores HS in 2022

Hmmm kinda strange. How old is he?

[Commercecomet24]

Looks like we just hired the guy who should be our DC as an analyst in Paul Rhodes. Hopefully he gets one of the 15 headsets. I think I speak for all of us when I say that.

Rhoads has been an excellent DC in the past. Glad we brought him on to help. I've heard he's gonna be heavily involved in scouting and gameplanning!

[Commercecomet24]

Hmmm kinda strange. How old is he?

Rhoads is 57

[BeardoMSU]

Rhoads has been an excellent DC in the past. Glad we brought him on to help. I've heard he's gonna be heavily involved in scouting and gameplanning!

Nice

[Coursesuper]

Rhoads has been an excellent DC in the past. Glad we brought him on to help. I've heard he's gonna be heavily involved in scouting and gameplanning!

It?s always smart to bring in an in old hand that has been there and done that. Experience is an invaluable asset.

[basedog]

Rhoads is 57

Thanks, I saw his bio, has experience but DC at a high school was kinda weird to me. But as an advisor can’t be all bad.

[BrunswickDawg]

Hmmm kinda strange. How old is he?

Not really - Dan Mullen did some coaching at Lake Oconee Academy in '22.

[Todd4State]

Is Rhoads a 4 man front or a 3 man front coach traditionally?

Just trying to learn about his background.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Rhoads a 4 man front or a 3 man front coach traditionally?

Just trying to learn about his background.

He's a 3 man guy. Ran a 3-4 since around 2015.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just to add, I text one of my buddies out here in Dallas who went to Iowa St for undergrad about the hire, he couldn't have had more praise for Rhoads. Said he's going to be a great guy to have in the building and has probably forgotten more about defense than most people have ever or will know. Said our building and staff got a lot better today with that hire.

[HancockCountyDog]

Where is Rhoads currently, is he at Boston College or is he back at Gulf Shores.

The guy was the head coach at Iowa State for like 7 years, so he definitely has experience.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Where is Rhoads currently, is he at Boston College or is he back at Gulf Shores.

The guy was the head coach at Iowa State for like 7 years, so he definitely has experience.

He's with Bill O'Brien at BC. That also should tell you how good of a football mind he is. O'Brien has assembled some really good staffs during his college coaching.

[Todd4State]

He's a 3 man guy. Ran a 3-4 since around 2015.

Awesome! Thanks! He sounds like a really good pick up. Wish we had him in 2024.

[msudawg1200]

He's with Bill O'Brien at BC. That also should tell you how good of a football mind he is. O'Brien has assembled some really good staffs during his college coaching.

He was at BC as OLB coach in 2023. When Jeff Hafley left to go be the Packers DC, Rhoads returned to Gulf Shores to be OLB coach after serving as DC in 2022. He was not on staff with BOB at BC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He was at BC as OLB coach in 2023. When Jeff Hafley left to go be the Packers DC, Rhoads returned to Gulf Shores to be OLB coach after serving as DC in 2022. He was not on staff with BOB at BC.

Interesting. I thought he stayed on with them. Didn't know he went back to Gulf Shores with Mark.

[HancockCountyDog]

Interesting. I thought he stayed on with them. Didn't know he went back to Gulf Shores with Mark.

I have family in Mobile, they tell me that the Gulf Shores coaching staff has 5-6 former college coaches.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I have family in Mobile, they tell me that the Gulf Shores coaching staff has 5-6 former college coaches.

That's true. That is a big selling point for Mark to get players. He has A TON of former college coaches on his staff. That has become an extremely desirable job and location to coach in the last 3 or 4 years. I know AJ McCarron wants the head job BAD. He was hoping Hud would get the USM job and he could take the Gulf Shores job.

[HancockCountyDog]

That's true. That is a big selling point for Mark to get players. He has A TON of former college coaches on his staff. That has become an extremely desirable job and location to coach in the last 3 or 4 years. I know AJ McCarron wants the head job BAD. He was hoping Hud would get the USM job and he could take the Gulf Shores job.

Apparently they have a sizeable war chest for coaching staff. Not sure how, but that is why AJ probably wants the job. They are making 2 to 3 times more than the average coach down that way.

[msudawg1200]

I have family in Mobile, they tell me that the Gulf Shores coaching staff has 5-6 former college coaches.

Hud as HC, Brian VanGorder who has been DC at Auburn, Notre Dame, Georgia, and the Falcons among others, Mitch Rodrigue who has been an OL coach at Colorado, USM, and ULL, and of course, Rhoads.

[Lord McBuckethead]

He had terrible OL talent last year, and they ended up not being the worst thing in the world. I mean, they are bad, but not as bad as our 3rd down defense which may be the worst 3rd down defense in the entire history of the SEC.

[Really Clark?]

He had terrible OL talent last year, and they ended up not being the worst thing in the world. I mean, they are bad, but not as bad as our 3rd down defense which may be the worst 3rd down defense in the entire history of the SEC.

Vandy's 3rd down defense was worse than ours this season.

[KOdawg1]

A guy like Rhoads is what we should've already had this past year.

When you pair a first time HC with a first time DC, you see a lot of what we had this year. With Dancy and Rhoads, you've got two guys with HC experience (albeit, they sucked) that can help Lebby and Hutz. Need to add another experienced analyst or two.

[Coursesuper]

Vandy's 3rd down defense was worse than ours this season.

The problem there was we weren?t in a 3rd down situation very much. The opposing team was usually in a new set of downs in one or two plays.

[Really Clark?]

The problem there was we weren?t in a 3rd down situation very much. The opposing team was usually in a new set of downs in one or two plays.

There was some of that but it wasn't quite as bad as you would think at first glance. We were 5th and tied with South Carolina with actual 3rd down attempts. I mean we sucked ass by any stretch of the imagination but Vandy had 3 fewer attempts and a little worse conversion rate. Florida had an even worse rate in 2022. As bad as we were, it's not to the worse in recent years.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A guy like Rhoads is what we should've already had this past year.

When you pair a first time HC with a first time DC, you see a lot of what we had this year. With Dancy and Rhoads, you've got two guys with HC experience (albeit, they sucked) that can help Lebby and Hutz. Need to add another experienced analyst or two.

Ehh...the Iowa St guys I spoke with last night said Rhoads actually did good compared to historical norms with Iowa St. He just couldn't recruit well enough to stay up with the Big 12 at the time, and he lost some key assistants. I didn't realize he turned down Wisconsin when Bielema left for Arkansas.

[KOdawg1]

Ehh...the Iowa St guys I spoke with last night said Rhoads actually did good compared to historical norms with Iowa St. He just couldn't recruit well enough to stay up with the Big 12 at the time, and he lost some key assistants. I didn't realize he turned down Wisconsin when Bielema left for Arkansas.

He was 32-55. 1 winning season in 7 years. He wasn't a good head coach. No "ehh" to it. Doesn't mean his experience isn't valuable and he can't help us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He was 32-55. 1 winning season in 7 years. He wasn't a good head coach. No "ehh" to it. Doesn't mean his experience isn't valuable and he can't help us.

Like I said, "compared to historical norms". Hell Chizik was 5-19 before him and got the Auburn job. He has like the 4th most wins in ISU history. Again, they didn't say he was a good head coach. They said he did good compared to historical norms. I mean Dan McCarney went 56-85 there. Campbell, who most would consider a HELL of a coach, is 57-48. Iowa St is a damn tough job. It's in the middle of nowhere Iowa. And we think recruiting to Starkville is hard.

[KOdawg1]

Like I said, "compared to historical norms". Hell Chizik was 5-19 before him and got the Auburn job. He has like the 4th most wins in ISU history. Again, they didn't say he was a good head coach. They said he did good compared to historical norms. I mean Dan McCarney went 56-85 there. Campbell, who most would consider a HELL of a coach, is 57-48. Iowa St is a damn tough job. It's in the middle of nowhere Iowa. And we think recruiting to Starkville is hard.
I mean, cool? Like I said, he's not a good head coach. Not sure what this is all about.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I mean, cool? Like I said, he's not a good head coach. Not sure what this is all about.

I'm just telling you what people who actually supported the program during that time were saying. That's all. I generally try to not look at solely records when judging that stuff. I think Rhoads will be a good addition to the staff and hopefully that will get Turner off the field.

[Really Clark?]

I'm just telling you what people who actually supported the program during that time were saying. That's all. I generally try to not look at solely records when judging that stuff. I think Rhoads will be a good addition to the staff and hopefully that will get Turner off the field.

Johnny Majors had a losing record and 1 winning season at Iowa St...Pitt hired him from ISU and he was a pretty good coach for Pitt and Tenn

[StarkVegasSteve]

Johnny Majors had a losing record and 1 winning season at Iowa St...Pitt hired him from ISU and he was a pretty good coach for Pitt and Tenn

Yea I really wasn't trying to turn this into a HC debate. Just passing along info that was told to me by some big time Iowa St guys.

[BigDawg81]

I?ve heard that Rhoads might be the DC in waiting

[Todd4State]

I?ve heard that Rhoads might be the DC in waiting

As far as I'm concerned he is the DC now.

[KB21]

As far as I'm concerned he is the DC now.

I hope not. I'd have serious questions about whether Rhoads would run a modern defensive scheme.