Cam Ward opts out at halftime of bowl game today

[Coach34]

after putting up 31 points in the 1st half. Miami loses bowl game

College football is going to die sooner than later with all of this bullshit

[MetEdDawg]

Yeah this is the sad part. The state of college football is the test case of what happens when you turn over all the power to teenagers and kids in their early 20s.

He set a record, then deuced out on his team, which really isn't his team because he transferred there.

I know the model is what it is and we have to play the game to compete. But the reality is the game sucks as it currently is. And Ward bailing on his team, then being allowed on the sidelines to continue in some weird coaching and helping give signs role makes no sense to me and highlights just how bad things have gotten.

[basedog]

Nothing surprises me now days.

[Cowbell]

I personally love to see this stuff. Just like the the bear sharks not making the playoff. It all adds to the ultimate demise of NIL/Portal

[CaptainObvious]

I personally love to see this stuff. Just like the the bear sharks not making the playoff. It all adds to the ultimate demise of small programs being sustainable in this environment like Mississippi State

Fixed it for you. The Big 30-32 will survive like the NFL model. They will use programs like MSU as their "minor" league feeder program.

[Coach34]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

[KOdawg1]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

When have we ever?

[BeardoMSU]

This is actually good. The worse things get, and the quicker they do, the sooner we'll see a correction on this pendulum swing.

[MoreCowbell]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the powers that be knew 20 years ago where college fball was heading so they let us win a little under Dan to feel good because they knew what our destiny was heading towards. Powers that be are the football Gods

[Coach34]

When have we ever?

We had a chance to be a 10 win team under the old system. The Big Guys would buy most of the top talent but we could find some diamonds and develop kids that were top talent level but needed more time. Now- even that has been taken from us.

Now we are simply bidding for talent against schools with deeper pocket books. Mississippi spent around $15MM for a team that won 9 games with a favorable schedule. We gonna spend $15MM for a team that has a ridicuous schedule with the winnable SEC games on the road so we might finish with 6 wins. The price will just continue to go up and we cant keep up with college football inflation

[Commercecomet24]

Yeah this is the sad part. The state of college football is the test case of what happens when you turn over all the power to teenagers and kids in their early 20s.

He set a record, then deuced out on his team, which really isn't his team because he transferred there.

I know the model is what it is and we have to play the game to compete. But the reality is the game sucks as it currently is. And Ward bailing on his team, then being allowed on the sidelines to continue in some weird coaching and helping give signs role makes no sense to me and highlights just how bad things have gotten.

100%!

[msu15]

Baby want a bottle?

[SPMT]

100%!

17 this. Ridiculous to be passionate about these sports now. How do you pay NIL to the watch a person you paid quit half way through the final game.

[Commercecomet24]

17 this. Ridiculous to be passionate about these sports now. How do you pay NIL to the watch a person you paid quit half way through the final game.

Yep I agree it's reached the point where so many are becoming disinterested in the whole mess

[Coach34]

Baby want a bottle?

I mean this with all my heart- eat a dick

[CaptainObvious]

I mean. Who is going to fix this? The NCAA can't. Congress can't. The Supreme Court can't. The Presidents and ADs would have to come together to organize a new hierarchy to set caps, and rules and the Blue Blood ADs and a presidents don't want the playing field leveled. They want ALL the advantages. A new playoff format was created and nobody likes it because it actually worked by its design. Less than Blue Blood level Boise and ASU got top seeds and the best matchup is now #1 Oregon vs #8 Ohio State. So what will happen is #8 OSU will win and everybody will say: The 8 Seed won so it works to have more playoff teams. But is Ohio State really an 8 seed? No way. They are a Top 4 team. So, again everything needs RE-Fixing from NIL to portal to playoff format. What a freaking mess. And it started because of the stupid salaries for football coaches 20 years ago. So yeah! We should have seen this coming!

[Coursesuper]

I mean. Who is going to fix this? The NCAA can't. Congress can't. The Supreme Court can't. The Presidents and ADs would have to come together to organize a new hierarchy to set caps, and rules and the Blue Blood ADs and a presidents don't want the playing field leveled. They want ALL the advantages. A new playoff format was created and nobody likes it because it actually worked by its design. Less than Blue Blood level Boise and ASU got top seeds and the best matchup is now #1 Oregon vs #8 Ohio State. So what will happen is #8 OSU will win and everybody will say: The 8 Seed won so it works to have more playoff teams. But is Ohio State really an 8 seed? No way. They are a Top 4 team. So, again everything needs RE-Fixing from NIL to portal to playoff format. What a freaking mess. And it started because of the stupid salaries for football coaches 20 years ago. So yeah! We should have seen this coming!

No one will fix this garbage, this will continue until it collapses upon itself.

[Cowbell]

This is actually good. The worse things get, and the quicker they do, the sooner we'll see a correction on this pendulum swing.

Exactly

[Goldendawg]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

No, we were the Washington Generals in '24, with a strong possibility of the same in '25 with all these JC and Portal guys that so many on here say "or he will be a depth piece". Time will tell quickly. How good were the 11 Marshall players following Huff to USM? We should never play them at Hattiesburg under any conditions. Will be their Superbowl to start the season as we help $ave their program. Who set this up, a 2 for 1 deal? We should know better!

[Goldendawg]

Yep I agree it's reached the point where so many are becoming disinterested in the whole mess

I plan to file for a copyright Monday for all P4 football jerseys. The name on the back will be a gigantic font so all fans in attendance can read them from all seats. This is the only way we can know who is playing for us year to year. The numbers can be smaller for use by the Refs. Heck, I went to Hail State roster early in the past incompetent season and never learned most of their names. Sad, miss the days of following young players from their Freshman year and watching them develop. I even remember going to the 4 or so freshman games as a young boy and hearing my late SuperDawg Dad say, "I can't wait to see that player in a year or two. He's really gonna be good."

[Commercecomet24]

I plan to file for a copyright Monday for all P4 football jerseys. The name on the back will be a gigantic font so all fans in attendance can read them from all seats. This is the only way we can know who is playing for us year to year. The numbers can be smaller for use by the Refs. Heck, I went to Hail State roster early in the past incompetent season and never learned most of their names. Sad, miss the days of following young players from their Freshman year and watching them develop. I even remember going to the 4 or so freshman games as a young boy and hearing my late SuperDawg Dad say, "I can't wait to see that player in a year or two. He's really gonna be good."

Yeah you have to relearn who's on the team every year now. I miss those days too and they're gone forever unfortunately.

[Offshore Dawg]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

This ^^^ basically is all the dawgs have ever been, if you think otherwise take off your maroon glasses. State is in the SEC to provide wins for the big boys. At least now that comes with a large welfare check.

[msstate7]

I mean. Who is going to fix this? The NCAA can't. Congress can't. The Supreme Court can't. The Presidents and ADs would have to come together to organize a new hierarchy to set caps, and rules and the Blue Blood ADs and a presidents don't want the playing field leveled. They want ALL the advantages. A new playoff format was created and nobody likes it because it actually worked by its design. Less than Blue Blood level Boise and ASU got top seeds and the best matchup is now #1 Oregon vs #8 Ohio State. So what will happen is #8 OSU will win and everybody will say: The 8 Seed won so it works to have more playoff teams. But is Ohio State really an 8 seed? No way. They are a Top 4 team. So, again everything needs RE-Fixing from NIL to portal to playoff format. What a freaking mess. And it started because of the stupid salaries for football coaches 20 years ago. So yeah! We should have seen this coming!

You can fix it - stop watching it if you don't like it. We say we don't like it, but we fuel it with our views.

[Offshore Dawg]

100's of Millions being spent all across this nation by schools and Boosters just to say HaHa "WE" beat you. Followed by; mine's bigger than yours. The schools with the biggest money boosters will be the last ones standing. The top players only allegiance now days is to the money.

[msstate7]

Now that the expanded playoffs are here, stop playing bowls. What sport has non-playoff teams play games in the postseason?

[Coach34]

Now that the expanded playoffs are here, stop playing bowls. What sport has non-playoff teams play games in the postseason?

I agree with this. Teams are playing bowl games missing 20-25 players who have opted out or are in the portal

[basedog]

I think Ward should have opted out before the game, quitting at half time is a "quitter" who let his team down. Dumb decision whoever advised him even before the game.

This is just the beginning, college football has become spoiled and rotten.

[Really Clark?]

I enjoy watching them and seeing the new players step up. It's like an extended spring training and with so much talk about how the game is becoming less clean, the extra practices help. And it is at least something not completely destroyed and a part of college football. Why does this have to be a carbon copy pro league?

[Dawgface]

I wonder how long it will be before a few opt out of playoff games? You know rock bottom has arrived when this happens.

[CaptainObvious]

Now that the expanded playoffs are here, stop playing bowls. What sport has non-playoff teams play games in the postseason?

We know it is a glorified exhibition game now. So. It should not count for or against your record.

[msstate7]

I enjoy watching them and seeing the new players step up. It's like an extended spring training and with so much talk about how the game is becoming less clean, the extra practices help. And it is at least something not completely destroyed and a part of college football. Why does this have to be a carbon copy pro league?

I don't hate the bowls, but at least have the transfer portal open post-bowls. Having players moving around during bowl season makes it a disaster

[Really Clark?]

I don't hate the bowls, but at least have the transfer portal open post-bowls. Having players moving around during bowl season makes it a disaster

Well if they close the transfer mess that they have created, either by reinstating rules or get to actual contracts, then a lot of the chaos goes away.

[bulldawg28]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

Lmao... not true.

[Patrick Tibbons]

Now that the expanded playoffs are here, stop playing bowls. What sport has non-playoff teams play games in the postseason?

Basketball. NIT & CBI tournaments are the equivalent of bowl games.

[Commercecomet24]

The bowl games have been really good this year. Most have been very competitive and fun to watch. The kids playing in place of those that opted out are playing hard trying to earn a starting spot or attract attention of bigger programs. What else would you rather watch during the holidays? Hallmark movies lol?

[Extendedcab]

The bowl games have been really good this year. Most have been very competitive and fun to watch. The kids playing in place of those that opted out are playing hard trying to earn a starting spot or attract attention of bigger programs. What else would you rather watch during the holidays? Hallmark movies lol?

What’s wrong with hallmark movies? :confused:

[EdwardDrayton]

Give me the old days when a player says he's sitting the second half and hears "well this is your lucky day kid, you can have the whole game off so go ahead and bring me your uni"

[Todd4State]

To me, if I'm paying a player money in NIL I expect them to participate in every game with the exception of injury, death in the family, illness, or coach's decision.

That includes bowl games.

And I suspect that teams are going to start writing that into their NIL agreements.

A bowl game is no more meaningless than then other 12 games a team plays.

[Political Hack]

Coaches should start recruiting character. NIL contracts should include incentives/disincentives for bowl games, etc...

The kid took advantage of the system and he's the bad guy? The system is a joke. The people running it have and continue to be a joke. The NCAA is a toothless tiger. They will literally let people play college football for a decade now if someone threatens to get a lawyer involved. The NCAA needs to fold and be disbanded. And all the money they make (THAT THEY STILL REFUSE TO SHARE WITH THE ATHLETES) should be sent straight to charity. Disgusting organization profiting off the work of kids.

[msudawg1200]

We are basically now the Cleveland Browns. We'll get some talent and we will compete. But we have no chance of being relevant or winning anything significant.

This sounds like us historically. Ole Miss also.

[Coursesuper]

Coaches should start recruiting character. NIL contracts should include incentives/disincentives for bowl games, etc...

The kid took advantage of the system and he's the bad guy? The system is a joke. The people running it have and continue to be a joke. The NCAA is a toothless tiger. They will literally let people play college football for a decade now if someone threatens to get a lawyer involved. The NCAA needs to fold and be disbanded. And all the money they make (THAT THEY STILL REFUSE TO SHARE WITH THE ATHLETES) should be sent straight to charity. Disgusting organization profiting off the work of kids.

The NCAA is shit for sure, but the big conferences share in this wholeheartedly. Pocketing huge amounts of money with bloated athletic departments funding ridiculous salaries. Greed and arrogance got in the way and now we have the shitshow that exists today. Think about the most money being spent in the portal are by teams desperate to not fall any further behind and remain relevant. This is driving the price up and up with no accountability and no end in sight. Hopefully this collapses upon itself and we reach some form of reasonable compromise to go forward.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah this is the sad part. The state of college football is the test case of what happens when you turn over all the power to teenagers and kids in their early 20s.

He set a record, then deuced out on his team, which really isn't his team because he transferred there.

I know the model is what it is and we have to play the game to compete. But the reality is the game sucks as it currently is. And Ward bailing on his team, then being allowed on the sidelines to continue in some weird coaching and helping give signs role makes no sense to me and highlights just how bad things have gotten.

shout out to lawyers and agents tool.

[msstate7]

Basketball. NIT & CBI tournaments are the equivalent of bowl games.

And good teams turn them down

[Political Hack]

The NCAA is shit for sure, but the big conferences share in this wholeheartedly. Pocketing huge amounts of money with bloated athletic departments funding ridiculous salaries. Greed and arrogance got in the way and now we have the shitshow that exists today. Think about the most money being spent in the portal are by teams desperate to not fall any further behind and remain relevant. This is driving the price up and up with no accountability and no end in sight. Hopefully this collapses upon itself and we reach some form of reasonable compromise to go forward.

Agree. Executives have been filling up their bank accounts for decades off these athletes and people get upset now that the athletes are milking the system???? REALLY???

There's chatter about a $22 million athletic department salary cap run through cooperatives and funded mostly through legitimate businesses and large donors, but that doesn't fix the transfer portal problem or the "you get to play forever" issue that's squeezing current high school students out of college athletics. There's also talk that some professional ownership groups are interested in funding certain teams NIL's to essentially "own" a team at the college level. Technically, they could "own" the player contracts without having to pay for any of the costs of the team, stadiums, etc... If the media dollars will support that model, it could actually bring some stability to "the market." But it's a freaking mess right now and I'm not sure it's going to get much better in the next year or two.

[Commercecomet24]

Agree. Executives have been filling up their bank accounts for decades off these athletes and people get upset now that the athletes are milking the system???? REALLY???

There's chatter about a $22 million athletic department salary cap run through cooperatives and funded mostly through legitimate businesses and large donors, but that doesn't fix the transfer portal problem or the "you get to play forever" issue that's squeezing current high school students out of college athletics. There's also talk that some professional ownership groups are interested in funding certain teams NIL's to essentially "own" a team at the college level. Technically, they could "own" the player contracts without having to pay for any of the costs of the team, stadiums, etc... If the media dollars will support that model, it could actually bring some stability to "the market." But it's a freaking mess right now and I'm not sure it's going to get much better in the next year or two.

Right on! Always great posts Hack! Hope you're doing well!

[Extendedcab]

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

[Pancho]

give it 3 to 5 years

[Political Hack]

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

The NCAA is NOT PAYING athletes. Period. Athletes are now free to make their own money, but zero dollars from the production of the games they play on television goes to them. ZERO.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

I am a pro-NIL guy and I am not happy about the current situation, but that doesn't mean these players shouldn't get a piece of the pie. The NCAA really shot themselves in the foot by not slowly migrating to a system that these players could get equal to the cost of the average scholarship in their pockets. Like all schools should average the cost of attendence for a football player, average it across the entire country, and that is the maximum someone is allowed to be paid to play in college. Let's say for arguments sake, it is 80k a year. Maximum for all schools, all players, etc for the year that could be paid to a player. The player still gets all their scholarship perks, but has a share of the pie.

I am also not a fan of a student transferring, but fair is fair. Any student on campus can transfer to any school at any point during their college careers. Why should players be the exception? A player should be allowed to play 5 years, no redshirts. A player should be able to transfer once and play immediately. A player can transfer if the head coach is fired or leaves. All other transfers have to sit out a year before they can play, and it would cost a year of eligibility. No medical redshirts. You get 5 seasons to play unrestricted from the day you are on a roster.

[Hot Rock]

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

Pay ain't the problem. Its the lack of a contract that limits transfers. They always got money, is it more? Yes, but if you think money is the problem, then the NFL, NBA, MLB would all not exist as those guys get paid well.

[BeardoMSU]

Pay ain't the problem. Its the lack of a contract that limits transfers. They always got money, is it more? Yes, but if you think money is the problem, then the NFL, NBA, MLB would all not exist as those guys get paid well.

Exactly. It's the lack of structure and governance that is the issue here. The pro Leagues all have contacts, free agency periods, trade deadlines, etc. The current CFB situation has none if that.

[R2Dawg]

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

Yeah, people act like facilities, free college education, etc. is just free. Huge investments in facilities require a return on investment. Every scholarship player gets a ton of money before NIL. The colleges provide the opportunity for many of these poor kids to get a life changing education and a few to make a pro career. Where is the return on investment back to their schools? It never happens. Plenty of greed to go around,

So where is the NIL for high school? Are high school kids supposed to be paid for playing? When momma and daddy fund the school and athletics?

[BeardoMSU]

Where is the return on investment back to their schools? It never happens.

You can't be serious, lol...

[Tbonewannabe]

I am a pro-NIL guy and I am not happy about the current situation, but that doesn't mean these players shouldn't get a piece of the pie. The NCAA really shot themselves in the foot by not slowly migrating to a system that these players could get equal to the cost of the average scholarship in their pockets. Like all schools should average the cost of attendence for a football player, average it across the entire country, and that is the maximum someone is allowed to be paid to play in college. Let's say for arguments sake, it is 80k a year. Maximum for all schools, all players, etc for the year that could be paid to a player. The player still gets all their scholarship perks, but has a share of the pie.

I am also not a fan of a student transferring, but fair is fair. Any student on campus can transfer to any school at any point during their college careers. Why should players be the exception? A player should be allowed to play 5 years, no redshirts. A player should be able to transfer once and play immediately. A player can transfer if the head coach is fired or leaves. All other transfers have to sit out a year before they can play, and it would cost a year of eligibility. No medical redshirts. You get 5 seasons to play unrestricted from the day you are on a roster.

Students can transfer but schools make you take a certain amount of hours to get the degree. You can't transfer in and have one semester to get a degree unless the school is waiving that requirement.

Also there are non competes in the real world for jobs.