Shapen and Spring Practice 2025

[Goldendawg]

My son and I attended the MSU basketball doubleheader in Tupelo yesterday. I ran into a writer for one of the MSU websites that I have talked to before. We briefly talked about several issues regarding our football program. I asked him if Shapen would be ready for spring football. He said no. End of my sources.

[Coach34]

PlasticMan is a waste of time. We're talking about a guy that broke his shoulder with shoulder pads on. He wont finish the first half of the schedule next season. He wont be able to do much during Spring Practice. We just let our starting QB go to LSU.

**** this program. Its garbage

[cheewgumm]

Unless Arnold was all world, we should have stuck with MVB, and built around him. (A bird in the hand)

I brought this up before and our fans said if MVB was good or a man or whatever he?d want to stay and compete.

That?s is a total misunderstanding of the world.

We (athletic department) have to be smarter.

[viverlibre]

Unless Arnold was all world, we should have stuck with MVB, and built around him. (A bird in the hand)

I brought this up before and our fans said if MVB was good or a man or whatever he?d want to stay and compete.

That?s is a total misunderstanding of the world.

We (athletic department) have to be smarter.

Concur.

[Cowbell]

My son and I attended the MSU basketball doubleheader in Tupelo yesterday. I ran into a writer for one of the MSU websites that I have talked to before. We briefly talked about several issues regarding our football program. I asked him if Shapen would be ready for spring football. He said no. End of my sources.

I'd love to hear some of the other issues discussed. Was he optimistic at all?

[msstate7]

Unless Arnold was all world, we should have stuck with MVB, and built around him. (A bird in the hand)

I brought this up before and our fans said if MVB was good or a man or whatever he?d want to stay and compete.

That?s is a total misunderstanding of the world.

We (athletic department) have to be smarter.

Arnold isn't all-world.

[Goldendawg]

I'd love to hear some of the other issues discussed. Was he optimistic at all?

He said he had been doing analysis of DL recruiting and it's failures since 2017. He said this would be published soon. I will be honest, I started venting about our powers to be continually hiring "On the Job Training" AD's, HC's, and DC's for literally decades of my being as a State fan. I told him we will have season tickets for 57 consecutive years and my late Father was in on the ground floor of the Bulldog Club. I told him in my opinion the program mirrored the Shira years and I never thought we would see this situation again in my lifetime. After 5 minutes, he told me he would love to chat more, but he had to get something to eat and get to the girls' game. Sometimes, I express my opinions too strongly to any State fan that will listen.*** PM me and I will tell you who I talked to. I do not like the post names in this context. BTW, he said he was not sold on Arnold at all.

[Todd4State]

He said he had been doing analysis of DL recruiting and it's failures since 2017. He said this would be published soon. I will be honest, I started venting about our powers to be continually hiring "On the Job Training" AD's, HC's, and DC's for literally decades of my being as a State fan. I told him we will have season tickets for 57 consecutive years and my late Father was in on the ground floor of the Bulldog Club. I told him in my opinion the program mirrored the Shira years and I never thought we would see this situation again in my lifetime. After 5 minutes, he told me he would love to chat more, but he had to get something to eat and get to the girls' game. Sometimes, I express my opinions too strongly to any State fan that will listen.*** PM me and I will tell you who I talked to. I do not like the post names in this context. BTW, he said he was not sold on Arnold at all.

Sounds like Robbie. I can't see Rosebowl putting out an article about our DL failures since 2017.

[Todd4State]

PlasticMan is a waste of time. We're talking about a guy that broke his shoulder with shoulder pads on. He wont finish the first half of the schedule next season. He wont be able to do much during Spring Practice. We just let our starting QB go to LSU.

**** this program. Its garbage

We need to pivot and get another QB in addition to what we have assuming we get the FSU guy.

[defiantdog]

Sounds like Robbie. I can't see Rosebowl putting out an article about our DL failures since 2017.
Not so fast, Rosey always likes to break conversations by going to get something to eat.

[bulldawg28]

We lost 2 Qbs in the portal and have signed none. We don't even have enough Qb's to have a spring training. I'm telling you guys Lebby is about to be on the hotseat soon. The fans are about to turn.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We lost 2 Qbs in the portal and have signed none. We don't even have enough Qb's to have a spring training. I'm telling you guys Lebby is about to be on the hotseat soon. The fans are about to turn.

Basically this seems like it’s starting to be Joe Moorhead part 2 without the raw talent Moorhead had. I’m willing to give Lebby another year but he needs to win 6 and go bowling or at least if we only win 5 look more competitive against the top teams

[Pancho]

and which 5 or 6 teams on the 25 schedule can msu defeat?

[msstate7]

and which 5 or 6 teams on the 25 schedule can msu defeat?

If he wins 5, I'll be impressed. It's a brutal schedule

[STATEBALLIN]

PlasticMan is a waste of time. We're talking about a guy that broke his shoulder with shoulder pads on. He wont finish the first half of the schedule next season. He wont be able to do much during Spring Practice. We just let our starting QB go to LSU.

**** this program. Its garbage

It?s true unfortunately. I?ve moved on to other hobbies.

[huffy]

Not so fast, Rosey always likes to break conversations by going to get something to eat.
At BULLDOG BURGER. Where people go to meat... that's: M E A T.

*slurps Diet Coke right into microphone*

[gtowndawg]

We lost 2 Qbs in the portal and have signed none. We don't even have enough Qb's to have a spring training. I'm telling you guys Lebby is about to be on the hotseat soon. The fans are about to turn.

I don't think he's about to be on the hotseat, he's on it. Barring a portal miracle, we are going to go winless again in the SEC and we the fans will demand change. Yes, Yes, that means the current AD will make the hire again...rinse, repeat.

[KB21]

Basically this seems like it’s starting to be Joe Moorhead part 2 without the raw talent Moorhead had. I’m willing to give Lebby another year but he needs to win 6 and go bowling or at least if we only win 5 look more competitive against the top teams

There is absolutely nothing about how Jeff Lebby coaches that is like Joe Moorhead.

[KB21]

Jeff Lebby is also nowhere near being on the hotseat.

[Cowbell]

At BULLDOG BURGER. Where people go to meat... that's: M E A T.

*slurps Diet Coke right into microphone*

I just laughed out loud

[gtowndawg]

Jeff Lebby is also nowhere near being on the hotseat.

If he goes winless (again) in the SEC he will be 100% on the HOTseat.

[Todd4State]

Not so fast, Rosey always likes to break conversations by going to get something to eat.

It could be David Murray now that I think about it. That would explain going back seven recruiting cycles.

[Tater]

There is absolutely nothing about how Jeff Lebby coaches that is like Joe Moorhead.

Yea Moorhead wins games. Especially against inferior talent.

[Cooterpoot]

Doesn't matter who is at QB when we don't have WRs to throw to or SEC RBs to hand the ball to

[TrapGame]

If he goes winless (again) in the SEC he will be 100% on the HOTseat.

If Lebby goes 0-8 in the SEC again for two in a row he will be gone. Take it to the bank. Moorhead may have destroyed the culture but he still could win some games. 3-9/0-8 and Lebby is gone. The fan and booster outrage will be nuclear meltdown level.Keeping Hutz is a **** you to the fans. Texas Tech fired their DC after going 8-4, hired Sheil Woods and he's killing it defensively in the portal.

[Coach34]

Lebby had a bad first year. Nobody can deny that

He is doing a solid job in recruiting and a solid job in the portal so far. He has got to get us better in 2025. Thats the bottom line

[mo7888]

We lost 2 Qbs in the portal and have signed none. We don't even have enough Qb's to have a spring training. I'm telling you guys Lebby is about to be on the hotseat soon. The fans are about to turn.

Did we lose LK?

[confucius say]

Yea Moorhead wins games. Especially against inferior talent.

Our fans. My goodness.

Joe had 13 nfl guys and several other senior lineman like Cory Thomas and Braxton hoyett and a senior qb and rb he misused. And all time bad ark and Mississippi teams. He had the best defense in the country and an offense full of proven seniors and lost 5 games.

[Todd4State]

If he goes winless (again) in the SEC he will be 100% on the HOTseat.

He may be on the hot seat. But he has the fire the DC card he can use. The plan has always been for him to be here at least three years.

[Tater]

Our fans. My goodness.

Joe had 13 nfl guys and several other senior lineman like Cory Thomas and Braxton hoyett and a senior qb and rb he misused. And all time bad ark and Mississippi teams. He had the best defense in the country and an offense full of proven seniors and lost 5 games.

Yea he sucked.

And even he didn't get skulldrug at home by Toledo.

Akron (coached by Joe Moorhead) beat Toledo this year btw. It's pretty empirical that Moorhead was and is better than Lebby. Like this isn't actually a debate and you don't get to just trash people for stating a fact.

A guy most of us agree had one of the worst possible tenures, maybe even worse than Croom relative to expectations has now seen us hire two coaches far worse than him.

[MoreCowbell]

I don't think he's about to be on the hotseat, he's on it. Barring a portal miracle, we are going to go winless again in the SEC and we the fans will demand change. Yes, Yes, that means the current AD will make the hire again...rinse, repeat.

Hot seat? Not enough fans care anymore. Who gives a sh it

[TrapGame]

I don't think he's about to be on the hotseat, he's on it. Barring a portal miracle, we are going to go winless again in the SEC and we the fans will demand change. Yes, Yes, that means the current AD will make the hire again...rinse, repeat.

If the rumors are true that current AD almost hired Elko before the Stoops debacle happened at A&M. If A&M goes through with hiring Stoops then we would have had Mike Elko as our head coach. Lebby was down the list a ways. We practically told Barry Odom if he couldn't bring his OC with him than we didn't want him. Which is insane. He made UNLV extremely competitive and will do the same at Purdue.

[Brobi-wan]

If the rumors are true that current AD almost hired Elko before the Stoops debacle happened at A&M. If A&M goes through with hiring Stoops then we would have had Mike Elko as our head coach. Lebby was down the list a ways. We practically told Barry Odom if he couldn't bring his OC with him than we didn't want him. Which is insane. He made UNLV extremely competitive and will do the same at Purdue.

I sat with a family that had a son working in the AD at MSU. They essentially told me that a sitting P4 coach was on his way (I assumed Elko) and then we hired Lebby. I think we did make a real push for Elko despite what some of the people on the board thought.

[Pancho]

had stoops gone to A&M it might be different but it's not.

[maroonmania]

Lebby will get his 3 years regardless just because of all that preceded him. Next year will be brutal though given the schedule so might as well find another interest. 2026 will determine Lebbys fate. He has to have been guaranteed 3 years or he would not have maintained Hutzler and crew. Either that or he is a complete idiot which I don't think he is.

[TrapGame]

Lebby will get his 3 years regardless just because of all that preceded him. Next year will be brutal though given the schedule so might as well find another interest. 2026 will determine Lebbys fate. He has to have been guaranteed 3 years or he would not have maintained Hutzler and crew. Either that or he is a complete idiot which I don't think he is.

Hutzler is crooting his ass off. I'll give him that. And since he and Lebby are good friends maybe we are waiting for the portal season to calm done and the first round of playoff games before we get another DC. Maybe.

There will be good DCs on the market over the next month.

[HancockCountyDog]

You can't compare what Lebby walked into, to any past coach except maybe Croom.

I want to give Lebby a pass for last year, but then he lost (actually blown out) to Toledo. I can't get past that one.

Other than that, i thought the team played hard down the stretch and the defense and offense actually got better as the year went on. Now, there was nowhere to go but up, but at least they did get better.

So far our portal class is average. I think going from MVB to LK is a wash. We haven't replaced Coleman or Pollack with anyone close to their level.

If he goes 3-9, unless every loss is a one possession game, I don't see how you keep him. I actually think we will win a game we aren't supposed to win, my guess is the egg. If he doesn't, I just don't know how you keep him, especially if Dan goes 9-3 at UNLV.

[Pancho]

So Hutzler is bringing talent while knowing he'll be let go soon? oh my

[TrapGame]

So Hutzler is bringing talent while knowing he'll be let go soon? oh my

No. Lebby wouldn't fire his friend like that. Hutz will be moved to ST. Hell, with his recruiting Lebby would be a huge idiot to outright fire him.

[bulldawg28]

Did we lose LK?

MVB, Parson

[Lord McBuckethead]

If he wins 5, I'll be impressed. It's a brutal schedule

Its the damn world we compete in. It is never going to change. You have to be competitive week in and out against SEC schools or its the highway.

[maroonmania]

No. Lebby wouldn't fire his friend like that. Hutz will be moved to ST. Hell, with his recruiting Lebby would be a huge idiot to outright fire him.

I won't think much of Hutz's recruiting until he brings in a SEC caliber DT or two. Right now we aren't going to be able to stop anyone from running down our throat.

[confucius say]

I won't think much of Hutz's recruiting until he brings in a SEC caliber DT or two. Right now we aren't going to be able to stop anyone from running down our throat.

Our run defense improved last year. If Dinkins, KBJ, Trevion, and McClendon can stay healthy, they are all solid pieces that will help you. Do need to add a few big bodies though.

[Pancho]

is Dinkins still around?

[confucius say]

is Dinkins still around?

Yes.

[Coach34]

If he goes 3-9, unless every loss is a one possession game, I don't see how you keep him. I actually think we will win a game we aren't supposed to win, my guess is the egg. If he doesn't, I just don't know how you keep him, especially if Dan goes 9-3 at UNLV.

It's highlyyyyyyy unlikely Mullen would return. You learn to never say never- just ask Jeremy Foley after he made Loafers call Mullen. Mullen doesnt want to come back to nowhere Mississippi and fight the upper SEC with one hand behind his back

[Todd4State]

It's highlyyyyyyy unlikely Mullen would return. You learn to never say never- just ask Jeremy Foley after he made Loafers call Mullen. Mullen doesnt want to come back to nowhere Mississippi and fight the upper SEC with one hand behind his back

Yeah. I may be wrong but I just get the sense he has the mutual love for MSU that MSU fans have for him. With Bill Snyder and K-State and Rich Rod at West Virginia I think that exists. Of course I think I remember Snyder's son being a coach there too or on staff at least and I think Rich Rod is from West Virginia.

And to your point- who does Dan have to beat at UNLV really? Boise State? Maybe San Diego State, Oregon State, or Fresno State some years? Even if Boise State is his new nemesis like Alabama he could easily go 11-1 in whatever conference they're in.

[Tater]

Yeah. I may be wrong but I just get the sense he has the mutual love for MSU that MSU fans have for him. With Bill Snyder and K-State and Rich Rod at West Virginia I think that exists. Of course I think I remember Snyder's son being a coach there too or on staff at least and I think Rich Rod is from West Virginia.

And to your point- who does Dan have to beat at UNLV really? Boise State? Maybe San Diego State, Oregon State, or Fresno State some years? Even if Boise State is his new nemesis like Alabama he could easily go 11-1 in whatever conference they're in.

It was telling that on his off week this year he spent it travelling to Mississippi State and interviewed in the booth.

We were playing UMass.

Irony doesn't fall on me from his look of disgust at the crowd in 2017's game.

If you were to say Lebby is fired in the next two years - Dan Mullen is the heavy favorite. This fanbase wants to enjoy Saturdays in the fall again. Dan (if he proves he can maintain UNLV) would provide that.

[Todd4State]

It was telling that on his off week this year he spent it travelling to Mississippi State and interviewed in the booth.

We were playing UMass.

Irony doesn't fall on me from his look of disgust at the crowd in 2017's game.

If you were to say Lebby is fired in the next two years - Dan Mullen is the heavy favorite. This fanbase wants to enjoy Saturdays in the fall again. Dan (if he proves he can maintain UNLV) would provide that.

This is the issue with our fans. We have too many fans that think that Dan would fix everything. And initially he might get us back to 8 wins a year. Although IF we have to fire Lebby we are going to be in worse shape than we were when Dan took over for Croom. So who knows how long it would really take him to rebuild as he never really has taken over a job that would be in the shape we would be in. I think we would be in a state where we are essentially treading water without really moving the program forward. This reminds me so much of when Pat McMahon was our baseball coach and "Well Ron Polk would have done this and that" and then we bring back Ron Polk and the program fell apart.

To me, this feels like the next mistake in a long line of mistakes in MSU football history.

[Tater]

This is the issue with our fans. We have too many fans that think that Dan would fix everything. And initially he might get us back to 8 wins a year. Although IF we have to fire Lebby we are going to be in worse shape than we were when Dan took over for Croom. So who knows how long it would really take him to rebuild as he never really has taken over a job that would be in the shape we would be in. I think we would be in a state where we are essentially treading water without really moving the program forward. This reminds me so much of when Pat McMahon was our baseball coach and "Well Ron Polk would have done this and that" and then we bring back Ron Polk and the program fell apart.

To me, this feels like the next mistake in a long line of mistakes in MSU football history.

Maybe you're right. But in today's SEC 8 Wins a year means games into November matter now. A 9 win season might have you in the playoff. People would enjoy Saturdays again.

Dan Mullen feels like a safe double hit. We've swung for the fences the last 4 times we've hired someone. I think Leach had us trending where he would have been amazing w/o Will Rogers. The other 3 hires were swinging for the fences and hitting a groundout in Moorhead and then a nasty strike out in Arnett. Lebby has 2 strikes already and we haven't swung close. Maybe this portal haul flips the script, but 4-8 or worse and you pull the plug and bring Dan home imo.


Can we afford another ridiculously bad hire if Lebby doesn't work out? How far is the bottom?

[Todd4State]

Maybe you're right. But in today's SEC 8 Wins a year means games into November matter now. A 9 win season might have you in the playoff. People would enjoy Saturdays again.

Dan Mullen feels like a safe double hit. We've swung for the fences the last 4 times we've hired someone. I think Leach had us trending where he would have been amazing w/o Will Rogers. The other 3 hires were swinging for the fences and hitting a groundout in Moorhead and then a nasty strike out in Arnett. Lebby has 2 strikes already and we haven't swung close. Maybe this portal haul flips the script, but 4-8 or worse and you pull the plug and bring Dan home imo.


Can we afford another ridiculously bad hire if Lebby doesn't work out? How far is the bottom?

I highly doubt we fire Lebby if he wins four games next year. That's essentially doubling our win total and we have a brutal schedule. Everyone knows he is going to get three years regardless. Now going 4-8 Lebby will have to make some major staff changes on the defensive side of the ball and as of now he still has that card he can play if things are bad next year.

I think we have to hire someone with experience to mitigate risk next time. Leach we knew basically what we were getting and that's what we got. If we have to fire Lebby we need to hire someone like Jon Sumrall or Ryan Silverfield who has G5 experience and has taken teams into the top 25.

There would be risks with Dan- the biggest being that he would leave us for someone again and the fact of the matter is he didn't really leave us with a great culture or Florida for that matter. He has to shoulder some responsibility for that. So then when he leaves we're right back where we started again.

[Tater]

I highly doubt we fire Lebby if he wins four games next year. That's essentially doubling our win total and we have a brutal schedule. Everyone knows he is going to get three years regardless. Now going 4-8 Lebby will have to make some major staff changes on the defensive side of the ball and as of now he still has that card he can play if things are bad next year.

I think we have to hire someone with experience to mitigate risk next time. Leach we knew basically what we were getting and that's what we got. If we have to fire Lebby we need to hire someone like Jon Sumrall or Ryan Silverfield who has G5 experience and has taken teams into the top 25.

There would be risks with Dan- the biggest being that he would leave us for someone again and the fact of the matter is he didn't really leave us with a great culture or Florida for that matter. He has to shoulder some responsibility for that. So then when he leaves we're right back where we started again.

4-8 would be the second worst season we've had since Croom. People keep saying brutal schedule - but it's the SEC. It's always been brutal. We need to be seen as a reason it's brutal. If you have just one SEC win to show in two years... you need to be shown the door.

[gtowndawg]

4-8 would be the second worst season we've had since Croom. People keep saying brutal schedule - but it's the SEC. It's always been brutal. We need to be seen as a reason it's brutal. If you have just one SEC win to show in two years... you need to be shown the door.

We could be 4-8 and still be winless in the SEC (which would be 2 years with no SEC wins - certainly a fireable situation).

[Tater]

We could be 4-8 and still be winless in the SEC (which would be 2 years with no SEC wins - certainly a fireable situation).

Fair. I just don't trust he wins all of NIU/ASU/USM. I have a really bad feeling about that USM game. He would lose the fanbase if he drops that one and a bunch of new players take time to gel. They're gonna be in the same boat - but like... just bad juju there.

[CaptainObvious]

Lose to USM, and you totally lose the fan base. Have NIU be 2025's Toledo and the coffin is nailed shut! Act like a damn SEC program or get the hell out of the SEC!

[TrapGame]

I'm telling y'all, if Lebby goes 3-9 with a bad OCC loss and no SEC wins, he's gone. A third year means what? A 5-7 season?

[Brobi-wan]

Lebby will not be fired for 4-8 with the toughest schedule in the country 2 years in a row. If he is, sink the program because it?s over no matter who we hire. Dan will likely not bring in 5 star QBs and we don?t have time to train a kid up for 2 years.

You guys complaining about this year and possibly next will also will be complaining when Dan is only good 1 out of every 3 three years because he either has to find diamonds in the rough or once people peak they are hired by someone else. It will be no different than what we have now. If you think it will, you?re wearing maroon colored glasses.

[msu15]

I'm telling y'all, if Lebby goes 3-9 with a bad OCC loss and no SEC wins, he's gone. A third year means what? A 5-7 season?

Yep. He really needs to start 4-0 next year just to get some momentum and excitement back in the team even if it turns out to be fool's gold. We've only started the season 4-0 twice this century(2012 and 2014).

[Tater]

Lebby will not be fired for 4-8 with the toughest schedule in the country 2 years in a row. If he is, sink the program because it?s over no matter who we hire. Dan will likely not bring in 5 star QBs and we don?t have time to train a kid up for 2 years.

You guys complaining about this year and possibly next will also will be complaining when Dan is only good 1 out of every 3 three years because he either has to find diamonds in the rough or once people peak they are hired by someone else. It will be no different than what we have now. If you think it will, you?re wearing maroon colored glasses.

Dan got us to 6-6 patch working QBs together in a tougher SEC schedule with a tough B12 OOC game in 2013. Other than his first year, Dan made a bowl every year. The peak SECW was 2011-2015.

[Brobi-wan]

Dan got us to 6-6 patch working QBs together in a tougher SEC schedule with a tough B12 OOC game in 2013. Other than his first year, Dan made a bowl every year. The peak SECW was 2011-2015.

This is not 2011-2015. There’s not even a comparison to what college football has evolved into. This is not the same playing field that Dan was on before. We are likely further behind the 8 ball than we were then. It will take a flashy offense and some swagger to get Starkville relevant. I doubt Dan has either at this point. He was amazing at winning the games he should’ve and I would love to have him back if college football had not turned into what it has.

[TrapGame]

Lebby will not be fired for 4-8 with the toughest schedule in the country 2 years in a row. If he is, sink the program because it?s over no matter who we hire. Dan will likely not bring in 5 star QBs and we don?t have time to train a kid up for 2 years.

You guys complaining about this year and possibly next will also will be complaining when Dan is only good 1 out of every 3 three years because he either has to find diamonds in the rough or once people peak they are hired by someone else. It will be no different than what we have now. If you think it will, you?re wearing maroon colored glasses.

ASU flipped their script in year two of Dillingham. It's the portal era. If you need three seasons just to get 5 lousy wins then you're not a very good head football coach.

I actually expect us to be a lot better next year but if he goes 3-9/4-8 he's gone.

[Coach34]

ASU flipped their script in year two of Dillingham. It's the portal era. If you need three seasons just to get 5 lousy wins then you're not a very good head football coach.

I actually expect us to be a lot better next year but if he goes 3-9/4-8 he's gone.

ASU did it in a weak B-12. They had trouble putting us away and we were terrible. Much harder to get a winning roster to compete in the SEC. Especially to StarkVegas

I think NIL and current climate has killed this program

[Pancho]

ASU flipped their script in year two of Dillingham. It's the portal era. If you need three seasons just to get 5 lousy wins then you're not a very good head football coach.

I actually expect us to be a lot better next year but if he goes 3-9/4-8 he's gone.

6 games would surprise us all because we doubt the team will improve that much.

[confucius say]

Dan got us to 6-6 patch working QBs together in a tougher SEC schedule with a tough B12 OOC game in 2013. Other than his first year, Dan made a bowl every year. The peak SECW was 2011-2015.

Haha. In no world was 2013 a tougher schedule than 2024. That's ludicrous. Dan never faced a schedule like we did in 2024.
We played 5 of the top 14 teams, all on the road. Insane. 2013 played 5 top 25 teams total.
2013 also had 11 nfl guys including a redshirt sophomore qb who is all pro, an all pro OL, and three nfl DT. Completely different rosters.

[bulldawg28]

Haha. In no world was 2013 a tougher schedule than 2024. That's ludicrous. Dan never faced a schedule like we did in 2024.
We played 5 of the top 14 teams, all on the road. Insane. 2013 played 5 top 25 teams total.
2013 also had 11 nfl guys including a redshirt sophomore qb who is all pro, an all pro OL, and three nfl DT. Completely different rosters.

Yeah, I believe this was the most difficult schedule in MSU history. 4 playoff teams and 3 others within the top 15-20. We played 7 ranked teams, it was a crazy year.

[Tater]

Haha. In no world was 2013 a tougher schedule than 2024. That's ludicrous. Dan never faced a schedule like we did in 2024.
We played 5 of the top 14 teams, all on the road. Insane. 2013 played 5 top 25 teams total.
2013 also had 11 nfl guys including a redshirt sophomore qb who is all pro, an all pro OL, and three nfl DT. Completely different rosters.

@2. Aub - last minute TD to lose juxtaposed with @2. Georgia keeping us at arm's length all game
@4. SCar - handled easily similar to @3. Texsa handling us easily
vs.7. Bama - we were in it until 4th while we never really threatened @7. UTk this year. sure chalk it up as home vs. away things.
vs.14. LSU was Dan being an idiot and getting us mollywhopped at home as opposed to @14. OM sleepwalking through beating us
OOC (neutral) 17. Okie blown out. Lebby did better here by actually playing the second half against 12. ASU
@18. Aggy we couldn't keep pace and lost by 10 meanwhile lebby got boat raced at home by 19 mizzou
vs. 8-5 OM we actually won whereas Lebby lost a similar game to a similar unranked and 8-4 aggy team
@. 3-9 Arky we squeaked out a road win with 3rd string QB while 6-6 Arky trounced us at home.
vs. 2-10 UK we squeaked out whereas we gave 7-5 Florida program momentum with losing that game while losing our QB.
OOC vs. BGSU (10-4 MAC champion) Win juxtaposed with the Toledo incident
OOC vs. FCS, major win for both.
OOC vs. Troy, major win juxtaposed with Solid win OOC vs. UMass

In terms of difficulty:
I think it breaks pretty evenly. 3-3-6. But I was wrong about SEC schedule being harder. Think that OOC was slightly harder with BGSU/Troy > Toledo/UMass outweighing the ASU > Okie difference. Arky and UK were worse than I remember, but I stand by that slice of time being the toughest the SECW was.
In terms of performance:
Dan 6, Lebby 2 (ASU and Egg), Equal footing 4

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ASU did it in a weak B-12. They had trouble putting us away and we were terrible. Much harder to get a winning roster to compete in the SEC. Especially to StarkVegas

I think NIL and current climate has killed this program

Rinse and Repeat from The Big Parrot