Who is excited for Year 1 of Lebby?

[Tater]

Clearly last year wasn't a real year for him. He developed no one. Any players he brought in have already left. If I were grading him out of 100 - he gets a 3. 1 for beating UMass. 1 for beating EKU. 1 for perfect attendance. So not just

Seriously... wtf has this guy done positive since then? Charlie is the NIL king so Lebby doesn't get credit for that especially when he's wasting money. Whatever he spent for 2-10 last year.

How many losses next year would you say fire him and not give him the 3rd year? For me it's 8+.

[msstate7]

I'm giving him a mulligan for last season. I sorta like his recruiting class this season, so I'm gonna try to be patient with him.

[Tater]

I'm giving him a mulligan for last season. I sorta like his recruiting class this season, so I'm gonna try to be patient with him.

I mean you can have liked his recruiting class last season. Who of note is still on the team from it?

[bulldawg28]

I was ok with him until he essentially caused himself to start the rebuild again. I'm concerned he's over his head and drowning now.

[viverlibre]

I was ok with him until he essentially caused himself to start the rebuild again. I'm concerned he's over his head and drowning now.

This.

I know we have a GM, but it doesn't seem like he's managing the portal well.

[maroonmania]

Hard to get excited when our few offensive difference makers are leaving and this substandard defensive staff appears to all be coming back. Still looking for any glimmer of hope for next season to be any better than this past season.

[mparkerfd20]

I have zero excitement. It was a bad hire and he's proven nothing but the fact that it was a bad hire so far. I'm not even optimistic: I have zero confidence in him after the shitshow of a defense he put on the field with zero staff changes. So far he's an idiot, with minimal proof he'll get over that hump. Not even gonna hope he turns it around because to this point evidence proves he won't. We'll be on another coach within 2 years anyway.

[confucius say]

We have a top 5 portal class as of now. Still early. Willing to be patient. Anything top 15 would be impressive after a 2-10 year.

We will be better defensively next year. Will see how much.

[KB21]

We have a top 5 portal class as of now. Still early. Willing to be patient. Anything top 15 would be impressive after a 2-10 year.

We will be better defensively next year. Will see how much.

He?s getting criticized by some because of the shape Zach Arnett left the program in.

[confucius say]

He?s getting criticized by some because of the shape Zach Arnett left the program in.

Yes. And combined with the fact that Leach's recruiting was meh at best.
Lebby took over a trainwreck of a roster. I mean just about every impact guy in 2024 was a guy he brought in. Almost no impact from guys he inherited.

[msstate7]

Needs to hire his father-in-law for OC

[KB21]

Needs to hire his father-in-law for OC

Why? Jeff doesn?t need anyone else calling plays. He?s a top 3 offensive play caller in the SEC.

[Tough Dawg]

Nothing that has happened the last 3 weeks is because of Arnett.

[Coursesuper]

Clearly last year wasn't a real year for him. He developed no one. Any players he brought in have already left. If I were grading him out of 100 - he gets a 3. 1 for beating UMass. 1 for beating EKU. 1 for perfect attendance. So not just

Seriously... wtf has this guy done positive since then? Charlie is the NIL king so Lebby doesn't get credit for that especially when he's wasting money. Whatever he spent for 2-10 last year.

How many losses next year would you say fire him and not give him the 3rd year? For me it's 8+.

8 plus wins, ha! You are going to be disappointed. If by some way that 6 wins is reached it?s coach of the year stuff.

[maroonmania]

Yes. And combined with the fact that Leach's recruiting was meh at best.
Lebby took over a trainwreck of a roster. I mean just about every impact guy in 2024 was a guy he brought in. Almost no impact from guys he inherited.

Leach's recruiting is irrelevant at this point. Even if he had brought in Top 15 classes annually, they would have all transferred out by now anyway because of the coaching turnover and the change in offensive philosophy. Just the times we live in.

[viverlibre]

We have a top 5 portal class as of now. Still early. Willing to be patient. Anything top 15 would be impressive after a 2-10 year.

Does that take into account players out? It's seems what little offense talent we had is out the door, with little coming in to offset.

[msstate7]

Why? Jeff doesn?t need anyone else calling plays. He?s a top 3 offensive play caller in the SEC.

Art was an outstanding football coach. Lebby hasn't proven anything. It was in jest bc I can't see us hiring him, but he would be a huge asset

[msstate7]

Does that take into account players out? It's seems what little offense talent we had is out the door, with little coming in to offset.

Good point. We've lost 2 starters to sec teams.

[KB21]

Nothing that has happened the last 3 weeks is because of Arnett.

Nothing bad has happened in the last three weeks. We haven?t lost a single player that isn?t replaceable. We have a top flight portal haul lined up. Jeff pulled in a top 25 class coming off a poor season that his immediate predecessor bears more responsibility for than he does.

[confucius say]

8 plus wins, ha! You are going to be disappointed. If by some way that 6 wins is reached it?s coach of the year stuff.

He meant 8 losses I'm pretty sure

[confucius say]

Good point. We've lost 2 starters to sec teams.

Who besides Coleman?

[msstate7]

Who besides Coleman?

MVB started every sec game. He was a starter

[Dawgface]

Zero excitement. I’m going to follow the SF Bay Area Bombers.

[confucius say]

MVB started every sec game. He was a starter

Yea because of injury. That's like saying going into 2025 that cooper rush or Spencer rattler are starting nfl qb.

He was already told he's not the projected starter in 2025. That was one of the reasons he was so upset.
It really doesn't matter if it's MVB, JA, or LK. Shapen is your 2025 starter.

[msstate7]

Yea because of injury. He was already told he's not the projected starter in 2025. That was one of the reasons he was so upset.
It really doesn't matter if it's MVB, JA, or LK. Shapen is your 2025 starter.

Ok, we lost 2 players to sec schools off a 2-10 team, and that number could grow. We missed on our #1 portal qb target. To portray our portal period as elite is sorta ringing hollow to me

[Dawgology]

He gets a 0 based on the transfer portal alone. He knew?we all ****ing knew?that we had to hit the transfer portal like crazy and throw wads of cash around to right the ship. So far the portal season has been crap. Top 5? Who cares? We are 1st?.then 3rd?now 4th. We will keep dropping because the real talent is starting to sign with serious programs. We are in the top 5 ONLY because the number of three stars we have signed. We probably won?t finish in the top 25 when all is said and done.

[confucius say]

Ok, we lost 2 players to sec schools off a 2-10 team, and that number could grow. We missed on our #1 portal qb target. To portray our portal period as elite is sorta ringing hollow to me

I certainly would not portray it as elite. Not sure anybody has, but if they do I will disagree with them.

I also have no idea if JA was our top qb target. I do know we had a visit lined up with LK before JA visited anywhere.

[msstate7]

I certainly would not portray it as elite. Not sure anybody has, but if they do I will disagree with them.

I also have no idea if JA was our top qb target. I do know we had a visit lined up with LK before JA visited anywhere.

"Top flight portal class" was the wording

[confucius say]

He gets a 0 based on the transfer portal alone. He knew?we all ****ing knew?that we had to hit the transfer portal like crazy and throw wads of cash around to right the ship. So far the portal season has been crap. Top 5? Who cares? We are 1st?.then 3rd?now 4th. We will keep dropping because the real talent is starting to sign with serious programs. We are in the top 5 ONLY because the number of three stars we have signed. We probably won?t finish in the top 25 when all is said and done.

We may not. And honestly, while it looks good, who the heck knows what a high portal ranking means. I mean the number one pass rusher in the portal had .5 sack this year. Not 5. But .5
Arizona state finished 30 in portal rankings last year and they clearly had the best portal period. Mississippi had the number 1 portal ranking last year and got worse in 2024.

[confucius say]

"Top flight portal class" was the wording

I would disagree with that.

[Tater]

Why? Jeff doesn?t need anyone else calling plays. He?s a top 3 offensive play caller in the SEC.

What - if anything - has Lebby done to change the state of the program as of today to be different than it was of day 1 of him being hired? What has he built? Who has he signed and kept?

[Tater]

Nothing bad has happened in the last three weeks. We haven?t lost a single player that isn?t replaceable. We have a top flight portal haul lined up. Jeff pulled in a top 25 class coming off a poor season that his immediate predecessor bears more responsibility for than he does.

You seem to forget.

MVB was brought in by Lebby.
Coleman was brought in by Lebby.
Craver was brought in by Lebby.

They are replaceable - sure. But he's already having to replace HIS guys. He hasnt even started the ****ing rebuild yet at this rate. Compared to day 1 what progress has Jeff Lebby made on replacing talent and getting state to where it needs to be?

[viverlibre]

He was already told he's not the projected starter in 2025. That was one of the reasons he was so upset.
It really doesn't matter if it's MVB, JA, or LK. Shapen is your 2025 starter.

If Levee told MVB that Shapen wills start over him in 2025, we're in much more trouble than we all realize.

Shapen put up 17 pat vs Toledo at home. Even if the D held them to 21, we'd still lost. In a game like that against such an inferior opponent, Shapen had to put the team on his back. No matter how bad the D is/was, our QB had to put up more than 17 in that game.

[Tater]

8 plus wins, ha! You are going to be disappointed. If by some way that 6 wins is reached it?s coach of the year stuff.

Idk how you misread it that bad. But here you go:

10-2: National CotY
9-3: SEC CotY
8-4: Keep
7-5: Keep
6-6: Keep
5-7: Keep
----------- Fire Line
4-8: Fire
3-9: Fire
2-10: Into the Sun
1-11: Fire in Hattiesburg
0-12: Just burn the football program to the ground for insurance.

Where is that Keep/fire line for you? Not where you expect him to be. Right now I'm expecting 2-10 again. And I'm an optimist.

[msstate7]

Idk how you misread it that bad. But here you go:

10-2: National CotY
9-3: SEC CotY
8-4: Keep
7-5: Keep
6-6: Keep
5-7: Keep
----------- Fire Line
4-8: Fire
3-9: Fire
2-10: Into the Sun
1-11: Fire in Hattiesburg
0-12: Just burn the football program to the ground for insurance.

Where is that Keep/fire line for you? Not where you expect him to be. Right now I'm expecting 2-10 again. And I'm an optimist.

The schedule is brutal. I won't like 4 wins; but if we show considerable improvement on defense and continue to recruit well, I will feel ok about year 3. Another 2-10, I'd fire him

[viverlibre]

Idk how you misread it that bad. But here you go:

10-2: National CotY
9-3: SEC CotY
8-4: Keep
7-5: Keep
6-6: Keep
5-7: Keep
----------- Fire Line
4-8: Fire
3-9: Fire
2-10: Into the Sun
1-11: Fire in Hattiesburg
0-12: Just burn the football program to the ground for insurance.

Where is that Keep/fire line for you? Not where you expect him to be. Right now I'm expecting 2-10 again. And I'm an optimist.

5-7 and he should be coach of the year. To win 5 we'll have to win the first 4 (including a CFP team) and upset Ark or Misery on the road. We'll be heavy underdogs in all but three games.

[Tater]

The schedule is brutal. I won't like 4 wins; but if we show considerable improvement on defense and continue to recruit well, I will feel ok about year 3. Another 2-10, I'd fire him

4-8 means USM, Alcorn, NIU, and 1 of Egg, @Ark, @Mizzou, @UF, @Aggy. You can probably throw ASU in there because they out punched their weight with a portal hall and are due for regression. But only 4 playoff teams. It can't be too brutal that you are calling it good enough to go 1-4 against non playoff P4 teams. 1 win against those in 2 total years is a keep? Better be scott frost nebraska level of 1 score losses.

[Coursesuper]

Idk how you misread it that bad. But here you go:

10-2: National CotY
9-3: SEC CotY
8-4: Keep
7-5: Keep
6-6: Keep
5-7: Keep
----------- Fire Line
4-8: Fire
3-9: Fire
2-10: Into the Sun
1-11: Fire in Hattiesburg
0-12: Just burn the football program to the ground for insurance.

Where is that Keep/fire line for you? Not where you expect him to be. Right now I'm expecting 2-10 again. And I'm an optimist.

There is no hard line, this staff will get at least 3 years baring a total collapse and the team quitting on them. The schedule is just as brutal as last season.

[msstate7]

4-8 means USM, Alcorn, NIU, and 1 of Egg, @Ark, @Mizzou, @UF, @Aggy. You can probably throw ASU in there because they out punched their weight with a portal hall and are due for regression. But only 4 playoff teams. It can't be too brutal that you are calling it good enough to go 1-4 against non playoff P4 teams. 1 win against those in 2 total years is a keep? Better be scott frost nebraska level of 1 score losses.

Our home games are gonna be extremely difficult: Tenn, Texas, Georgia, and OM. The games we should have a better chance in are all on the road - at aTm, at Florida, at ark, at mizzou. That's insanely difficult

[bulldawg28]

He meant 8 losses I'm pretty sure


4-8 means USM, Alcorn, NIU, and 1 of Egg, @Ark, @Mizzou, @UF, @Aggy. You can probably throw ASU in there because they out punched their weight with a portal hall and are due for regression. But only 4 playoff teams. It can't be too brutal that you are calling it good enough to go 1-4 against non playoff P4 teams. 1 win against those in 2 total years is a keep? Better be scott frost nebraska level of 1 score losses.

They should win 6 games minimum.

[Tater]

Our home games are gonna be extremely difficult: Tenn, Texas, Georgia, and OM. The games we should have a better chance in are all on the road - at aTm, at Florida, at ark, at mizzou. That's insanely difficult

Then maybe he should have done something, anything between Day 1 of getting hired and today to make them marginally less difficult. Why are we still at the starting line with him?

[Tater]

There is no hard line, this staff will get at least 3 years baring a total collapse and the team quitting on them. The schedule is just as brutal as last season.

3 years from when he was hired or 3 years from when he starts trying? Cause I haven't seen him try yet. Excited for year 1 next year. Unless we're saying Year 1 will be the next year.

[Coursesuper]

He meant 8 losses I'm pretty sure

Got it doing to many things at once.

[KB21]

You seem to forget.

MVB was brought in by Lebby.
Coleman was brought in by Lebby.
Craver was brought in by Lebby.

They are replaceable - sure. But he's already having to replace HIS guys. He hasnt even started the ****ing rebuild yet at this rate. Compared to day 1 what progress has Jeff Lebby made on replacing talent and getting state to where it needs to be?

It shows that Lebby realizes the proper value of those players. Coleman is the only one who can be considered a loss, and we didn't lose him because of Jeff Lebby or NIL. We lost him because he's from St. Louis and got the opportunity to play close to home. Craver was close to getting kicked off the team. With MVB, Jeff absolutely hated the fact that he had to slow the tempo down of his offense to accommodate him.

[Quaoarsking]

I wonder if Arizona State fans said that 4-8 or 5-7 would be good enough for Dillingham this year. After all, they were the power P5 team in 2023.

[Cowbell]

Why? Jeff doesn?t need anyone else calling plays. He?s a top 3 offensive play caller in the SEC.

No he is not.

Nobody else runs for a gain of two on 2nd and 25

[KB21]

No he is not.

Nobody else runs for a gain of two on 2nd and 25

Yes. He is. He drew up so many great play calls that were sure TDs only to have MVB either dirt the ball, underthrow the ball, or get sacked due to a lack of pocket presence.

[msstate7]

Yes. He is. He drew up so many great play calls that were sure TDs only to have MVB either dirt the ball, underthrow the ball, or get sacked due to a lack of pocket presence.

MVB will be what was wrong with the defense by tomorrow with some of yall

[KB21]

No. Zach Arnett is the reason the defense was bad.

[CaptainObvious]

Can we just acknowledge that 2024 was our worst season since Tech-10 and recognize that the "program savior" former Coordinator (apparently the highest level of coaching hire State can make) and his staff were in charge of the atrocities perpetrated on the Fanbase?

I'm so sick of it always being the "former guy" or the "dead guy" fault!

[msstate7]

Can we just acknowledge that 2024 was our worst season since Tech-10 and recognize that the "program savior" former Coordinator (apparently the highest level of coaching hire State can make) and his staff were in charge of the atrocities perpetrated on the Fanbase?

I'm so sick of it always being the "former guy" or the "dead guy" fault!

^^^

[KB21]

Can we just acknowledge that 2024 was our worst season since Tech-10 and recognize that the "program savior" former Coordinator (apparently the highest level of coaching hire State can make) and his staff were in charge of the atrocities perpetrated on the Fanbase?

I'm so sick of it always being the "former guy" or the "dead guy" fault!

It was, but the reason for the bad season was the destruction one year of an incompetent boob in Zach Arnett caused. Jeff Lebby had to try and make chicken salad out of the chicken shit Arnett left him. He did enough on offense to improve by almost 10 PPG over Barbay Bombs.

[viverlibre]

It was, but the reason for the bad season was the destruction one year of an incompetent boob in Zach Arnett caused. Jeff Lebby had to try and make chicken salad out of the chicken shit Arnett left him. He did enough on offense to improve by almost 10 PPG over Barbay Bombs.

And put up 17 points on Toledo at home! Yea!

[KB21]

And put up 17 points on Toledo at home! Yea!

Arnett would have gotten shut out.

[Coursesuper]

It was, but the reason for the bad season was the destruction one year of an incompetent boob in Zach Arnett caused. Jeff Lebby had to try and make chicken salad out of the chicken shit Arnett left him. He did enough on offense to improve by almost 10 PPG over Barbay Bombs.

There is always more than one root cause when things go this bad. The rot goes back years to one or two bad decisions that escalated into one on the other. But there is no consensus or swaying many about that. To many closed minds and opinions already set upon.

[TrapGame]

There is always more than one root cause when things go this bad. The rot goes back years to one or two bad decisions that escalated into one on the other. But there is no consensus or swaying many about that. To many closed minds and opinions already set upon.

This goes all the back to Cohen settling for JoMo instead of doing his homework and allowing the search to continue. Since then it's been like climbing a rock wall covered in baby oil. I'm hoping Lebby finally brings some stability. I don't like the fact he's keeping Hutzler. I believe we need an experienced DC. Winning at least 5 games w/ one being an SEC win is only way I'd give him a third year. Going 0-8 in the SEC two years in a row is unacceptable. Even Croom couldn't do that. It's the bare minimum to retain his job. And I'm also warming up to the Mullen reunion idea if next season is another fiasco.

[CaptainObvious]

So then we can't! Okay. I'll stick to my guns and agree with myself! The 2024 2-10 debacle was 100% on Lebby and Staff! No one else.

[Pancho]

gotta see how many wins an improved roster gets us next year

[Coursesuper]

This goes all the back to Cohen settling for JoMo instead of doing his homework and allowing the search to continue. Since then it's been like climbing a rock wall covered in baby oil. I'm hoping Lebby finally brings some stability. I don't like the fact he's keeping Hutzler. I believe we need an experienced DC. Winning at least 5 games w/ one being an SEC win is only way I'd give him a third year. Going 0-8 in the SEC two years in a row is unacceptable. Even Croom couldn't do that. It's the bare minimum to retain his job. And I'm also warming up to the Mullen reunion idea if next season is another fiasco.

Those two decisions are definitely part of the process that have led to this point. But there is a boat load more.

[Todd4State]

This goes all the back to Cohen settling for JoMo instead of doing his homework and allowing the search to continue. Since then it's been like climbing a rock wall covered in baby oil. I'm hoping Lebby finally brings some stability. I don't like the fact he's keeping Hutzler. I believe we need an experienced DC. Winning at least 5 games w/ one being an SEC win is only way I'd give him a third year. Going 0-8 in the SEC two years in a row is unacceptable. Even Croom couldn't do that. It's the bare minimum to retain his job. And I'm also warming up to the Mullen reunion idea if next season is another fiasco.

Lebby knows he is getting at least three years so he has some leverage to keep Hutzler. If/when it doesn't work the boosters will put pressure on him to get a new DC.

[Todd4State]

This goes all the back to Cohen settling for JoMo instead of doing his homework and allowing the search to continue. Since then it's been like climbing a rock wall covered in baby oil. I'm hoping Lebby finally brings some stability. I don't like the fact he's keeping Hutzler. I believe we need an experienced DC. Winning at least 5 games w/ one being an SEC win is only way I'd give him a third year. Going 0-8 in the SEC two years in a row is unacceptable. Even Croom couldn't do that. It's the bare minimum to retain his job. And I'm also warming up to the Mullen reunion idea if next season is another fiasco.

I want to see Dan have at least 3 years at UNLV before even considering it. I have a feeling that old issues are going to pop up.

[Biguglyjoe]

I want to see Dan have at least 3 years at UNLV before even considering it. I have a feeling that old issues are going to pop up.

I?m afraid they would get his best 3 years. Fiery Dan was a great coach. Complacent Dan was pretty frustrating.

[Tater]

It shows that Lebby realizes the proper value of those players. Coleman is the only one who can be considered a loss, and we didn't lose him because of Jeff Lebby or NIL. We lost him because he's from St. Louis and got the opportunity to play close to home. Craver was close to getting kicked off the team. With MVB, Jeff absolutely hated the fact that he had to slow the tempo down of his offense to accommodate him.

Dude he whiffed right away. Like that is not a positive in his direction. Why are you trying to spin that as positive. It is purely pathetic on his part.

[Todd4State]

I?m afraid they would get his best 3 years. Fiery Dan was a great coach. Complacent Dan was pretty frustrating.

Exactly. I'm not sure what UNLV has coming back but unless they all go to Purdue he should be good pretty quickly. Just like Florida. But I want to see what they look like when he brings in his players.

[bulldawg28]

Exactly. I'm not sure what UNLV has coming back but unless they all go to Purdue he should be good pretty quickly. Just like Florida. But I want to see what they look like when he brings in his players.

A complacent Dan is better and more exciting than any coach we've had in 50 years.

[KB21]

Dude he whiffed right away. Like that is not a positive in his direction. Why are you trying to spin that as positive. It is purely pathetic on his part.

When did he whiff? He never once put all his eggs in the Jackson Arnold basket. He had Luke Kromenhoek lined up before Arnold ever decided to make a visit. Bottom line is, we were in the mix for two much higher rated QBs than the one we lost who decided to go be backup at LSU. It appears we will get Luke Kromenhoek. We have Blake Shapen returning, and while there is an injury issue, some of you just don't realize how good he was when he played last year.

[Todd4State]

A complacent Dan is better and more exciting than any coach we've had in 50 years.

Yeah. Losing to South Alabama was awesome.**

[KB21]

Every bit of the angst some of you are throwing at Jeff Lebby needs to be going to Zach Arnett. He's the reason the program is in the current state, and Jeff Lebby is working his ass off trying to fix the mess he inherited. If some of you actually think another coach would be doing a better job with recruiting both at the high school and portal level and would have done a better job with the talent that was on the roster when he came in, then you obviously do not understand how any of this works. The situation Jeff Lebby inherited was WORSE than the situation Kenny Dillingham inherited at Arizona State.

[AROB44]

Every bit of the angst some of you are throwing at Jeff Lebby needs to be going to Zach Arnett. He's the reason the program is in the current state, and Jeff Lebby is working his ass off trying to fix the mess he inherited. If some of you actually think another coach would be doing a better job with recruiting both at the high school and portal level and would have done a better job with the talent that was on the roster when he came in, then you obviously do not understand how any of this works. The situation Jeff Lebby inherited was WORSE than the situation Kenny Dillingham inherited at Arizona State.

Outstanding post!!! But goes against the narrative on message boards of wanting to fire everyone.

[msstate7]

Every bit of the angst some of you are throwing at Jeff Lebby needs to be going to Zach Arnett. He's the reason the program is in the current state, and Jeff Lebby is working his ass off trying to fix the mess he inherited. If some of you actually think another coach would be doing a better job with recruiting both at the high school and portal level and would have done a better job with the talent that was on the roster when he came in, then you obviously do not understand how any of this works. The situation Jeff Lebby inherited was WORSE than the situation Kenny Dillingham inherited at Arizona State.

I'm gonna need an expiration on why arnett is to be blamed for everything.

[TrapGame]

I want to see Dan have at least 3 years at UNLV before even considering it. I have a feeling that old issues are going to pop up.

If he has UNLV winning at a historic level he won't be there for year three. Either we lure him back if Lebby can't get it done or he will be off to a bigger program.

[bulldawg28]

Yeah. Losing to South Alabama was awesome.**

So was Toledo and everyone on the schedule

[KB21]

I'm gonna need an expiration on why arnett is to be blamed for everything.

I'm going to need an explanation for why some of you can't see how bad he was.

[msstate7]

I'm going to need an explanation for why some of you can't see how bad he was.

No one has said he was good.

[KB21]

No one has said he was good.

You could have fooled me, because it is apparently taboo to say he destroyed the program, and because of him, we are in a position where we have to pour a completely new foundation for the football team.

[Tater]

Outstanding post!!! But goes against the narrative on message boards of wanting to fire everyone.

Jeff Lebby has led Mississippi State football for longer than Arnett. Yet he hasn't made a step forward in any meaningful way since being hired.

Arnett may have moved us negatively. Lebby isn't better if he's just keeping us in neutral at 2-10. It's not an either/or. Both are terrible and suck in their own ways.

[Tater]

You could have fooled me, because it is apparently taboo to say he destroyed the program, and because of him, we are in a position where we have to pour a completely new foundation for the football team.

You still don't get it man.

MVB & Craver were supposed to be the first pour of concrete.

But they're already gone. Again - no one is saying the program wasn't in shambles. We're saying Lebby has done NOTHING to move us forward in a year. No. Thing.

[KB21]

Jeff Lebby has led Mississippi State football for longer than Arnett. Yet he hasn't made a step forward in any meaningful way since being hired.

Arnett may have moved us negatively. Lebby isn't better if he's just keeping us in neutral at 2-10. It's not an either/or. Both are terrible and suck in their own ways.

Jeff Lebby came in, replaced every starter on offense, and improved the offense by 10 PPG over the previous year. How can you say that isn't a step in the right direction, considering that his offense is the reason he was a hot candidate? He doesn't have a waiver wire where he can pick up players during the season to improve the talent level he inherited, and it is foolish to believe that a head coach can come into a job and immediately flip the roster with enough talented players to compete at the top of the SEC when he was hired a week before the portal even opened.

[KB21]

You still don't get it man.

MVB & Craver were supposed to be the first pour of concrete.

But they're already gone. Again - no one is saying the program wasn't in shambles. We're saying Lebby has done NOTHING to move us forward in a year. No. Thing.

And that's a completely false statement. Neither MVB nor Craver are irreplaceable players. They tasted some early success because of Lebby's offensive scheme, and they both got the big head and felt they were worth more than what their value actually is. Also, Jeff was not going to go into another season where he has to scrap the tempo he wants to play at to accommodate a QB.

[msstate7]

Jeff Lebby came in, replaced every starter on offense, and improved the offense by 10 PPG over the previous year. How can you say that isn't a step in the right direction, considering that his offense is the reason he was a hot candidate? He doesn't have a waiver wire where he can pick up players during the season to improve the talent level he inherited, and it is foolish to believe that a head coach can come into a job and immediately flip the roster with enough talented players to compete at the top of the SEC when he was hired a week before the portal even opened.

Did you forget to mention defense?

[Tater]

Jeff Lebby came in, replaced every starter on offense, and improved the offense by 10 PPG over the previous year. How can you say that isn't a step in the right direction, considering that his offense is the reason he was a hot candidate? He doesn't have a waiver wire where he can pick up players during the season to improve the talent level he inherited, and it is foolish to believe that a head coach can come into a job and immediately flip the roster with enough talented players to compete at the top of the SEC when he was hired a week before the portal even opened.

2023: 21.8 PPG / 26.6 OPPG
2024: 25.8 PPG / 34.1 OPPG

(i'm sure you're trying to quote SEC PPG, but like we lost two OOC games this year so... no gimme the full game stats)

Who from that group on offense is still here bro? He lost his whole WR core and QB of the future. We're at another reset and looking at needing to rebuild for 2 years again. Before this past year, we were looking at a 2 year rebuild. He is not taking the program forward. What is different today than where we were a year ago?

Scoring more points in blowouts and overseeing an even larger ppg shift negatively on defense is not positive. Idk what you're drinking, but it's Monday morning. Stop it. Get some help.

[Tater]

And that's a completely false statement. Neither MVB nor Craver are irreplaceable players. They tasted some early success because of Lebby's offensive scheme, and they both got the big head and felt they were worth more than what their value actually is. Also, Jeff was not going to go into another season where he has to scrap the tempo he wants to play at to accommodate a QB.

So Jeff Lebby misses on talent evaluation. That's what we know in year 1

[Todd4State]

So was Toledo and everyone on the schedule

Do you think I am against replacing Lebby if he doesn't win here? Because I assure you I am not.

I am also against MSU making stupid decisions like bringing back Dan Mullen.

[Todd4State]

You still don't get it man.

MVB & Craver were supposed to be the first pour of concrete.

But they're already gone. Again - no one is saying the program wasn't in shambles. We're saying Lebby has done NOTHING to move us forward in a year. No. Thing.

I always felt like Taylor was going eventually take over for MVB. Craver is a good player. Everybody is losing everybody in the portal era though.

The players that are most likely to stay at MSU for four years are the in state ones and that's assuming we have stability with no major head coaching changes. That's a big reason why they're going to try to build around Taylor.

[Todd4State]

You could have fooled me, because it is apparently taboo to say he destroyed the program, and because of him, we are in a position where we have to pour a completely new foundation for the football team.

He's only one person to blame.

Personally I think Cohen is the MOST to blame just because of his NIL failures that put us behind. People can bitch about Dave Emerick, Leach, Dudeck, and Arnett's recruiting but the reality is they didn't have as many resources to use to recruit players to take us to the next level. That's why we had a hard time replacing Polk after 2021. And it forced us to use what NIL we had to focus on retaining players like Tulu. Not being able to replace Polk probably cost us Kentucky in 2022 and maybe LSU as well because we could have also added other players to make the team better too.

[MoreCowbell]

Clearly last year wasn't a real year for him. He developed no one. Any players he brought in have already left. If I were grading him out of 100 - he gets a 3. 1 for beating UMass. 1 for beating EKU. 1 for perfect attendance. So not just

Seriously... wtf has this guy done positive since then? Charlie is the NIL king so Lebby doesn't get credit for that especially when he's wasting money. Whatever he spent for 2-10 last year.

How many losses next year would you say fire him and not give him the 3rd year? For me it's 8+.

Note to self- the Tater poster seems to show signs of being small minded in his outlook on and his expectations for Lebby and programs expectations.

[Tater]

Note to self- the Tater poster seems to show signs of being small minded in his outlook on and his expectations for Lebby and programs expectations.

My expectations for him were the floor and he somehow went lower. I'm small minded because this guy already whiffed on his QB, his WR room - being an offensive guru. He showed immediately poor talent evaluation. And year 2 is now year 1.

I expect us to beat ****ing Toledo - at least not get curbstomped at home. I expect some turnover from the previous regime. This guy already has turnover of his own regime at the positions he's supposed to excel at.

If you see the progress, you're blind.

[Cooterpoot]

Offense will be ok if we can survive all the new guys learning it and getting on the same page. Slow starts were Lebby's calling card this year, so he's got to fix that. Defense is going to still be bad but improved. I still think Hutz is a bad DC and we're aren't signing players to get this defense better than about a top 100 with Hutz in charge of the defense. I see 4 wins if it comes together but probably 3 wins. We won't win many with that schedule. We won't be favored in any SEC game.

[gtowndawg]

Offense will be ok if we can survive all the new guys learning it and getting on the same page. Slow starts were Lebby's calling card this year, so he's got to fix that. Defense is going to still be bad but improved. I still think Hutz is a bad DC and we're aren't signing players to get this defense better than about a top 100 with Hutz in charge of the defense. I see 4 wins if it comes together but probably 3 wins. We won't win many with that schedule. We won't be favored in any SEC game.

4 would be a miracle. Another year of sucky football incoming.

[Cooterpoot]

4 would be a miracle. Another year of sucky football incoming.

It's a 5 year plan

[Extendedcab]

Clearly last year wasn't a real year for him. He developed no one. Any players he brought in have already left. If I were grading him out of 100 - he gets a 3. 1 for beating UMass. 1 for beating EKU. 1 for perfect attendance. So not just

Seriously... wtf has this guy done positive since then? Charlie is the NIL king so Lebby doesn't get credit for that especially when he's wasting money. Whatever he spent for 2-10 last year.

How many losses next year would you say fire him and not give him the 3rd year? For me it's 8+.


Isn?t that the same as asking who likes to get a root canal? No thanks!