This isn?t a good look IMO for Lebby?..

[Tough Dawg]

Is our entire administration asleep? Is Lebby enjoying the life of being a HC in the SEC/booster trips without producing short term results so far? We lost our QB1 to an in conference school to be a backup. He doesn?t land the transfer of someone he?s close with. Some would say family friends.

Retains the worst DC in arguably school history. Outside looking in it?s hard not to ask WTF is really going on. Gotta be a hard sell for Charlie when he?s calling donors for more NIL $$$

He better have a great week closing on a few big transfers.

[Really Clark?]

No Lebby does not. He looks smart since he know MVB wasn't QB1. He was demanding that and he would get $1.5 MIL. He is the one looking kind of foolish going to be the backup instead of having a huge opportunity to win our starting job.

[Tough Dawg]

What about the other issues?

[msstate7]

No Lebby does not. He looks smart since he know MVB wasn't QB1. He was demanding that and he would get $1.5 MIL. He is the one looking kind of foolish going to be the backup instead of having a huge opportunity to win our starting job.

Literally no one outside our fanbase thinks MVB was foolish; everyone sees him as moving up.

[DEDawg]

Literally no one outside our fanbase thinks MVB was foolish; everyone sees him as moving up.

If you wanna say to a better team sure but going from starter to backup is not moving up no matter how you wanna spin it

[msstate7]

If you wanna say to a better team sure but going from starter to backup is not moving up no matter how you wanna spin it

From the people in the know here, MVB or Arnold was backing up shapen here

[Tough Dawg]

I agree with msstate7. I and the majority of our fanbase were MVB fans and excited about his future. Lebby better be precise on some decision making going forward.

[Really Clark?]

Literally no one outside our fanbase thinks MVB was foolish; everyone sees him as moving up.

Ehhh, not sure I agree with you there. Had several outside of our fan base messaging me scratching their heads asking what was he thinking?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I agree with msstate7. I and the majority of our fanbase were MVB fans and excited about his future. Lebby better be precise on some decision making going forward.

So you would have been ok with giving him 1 mil plus and guaranteeing him the starting spot FOR TWO YEARS?? Because that is what he wanted. And that is not a guess. Multiple people have reported the same. He is not worth a mil and you would be crazy to give a guy with a 54% completion percentage the starting job FOR TWO YEARS.

[Tough Dawg]

That is Jeff?s call on letting him walk. So was his call on retaining his DC. So was his call not closing Arnold. So is/was his call on sticking with an injury prone Shapen.

[EdwardDrayton]

So you would have been ok with giving him 1 mil plus and guaranteeing him the starting spot FOR TWO YEARS?? Because that is what he wanted. And that is not a guess. Multiple people have reported the same. He is not worth a mil and you would be crazy to give a guy with a 54% completion percentage the starting job FOR TWO YEARS.

We would not pay MVB for his freshman performance but for the value he would bring the next couple of years. A big part of a coach's job is talent evaluation and development. Lebby made his decision about MVB. Going forward he will have to answer for it if it does not work out.

[NCDawg]

Van Buren has a good arm and I can see him being pretty good at LSU. He will more than likely have a good OL in front of him giving him time to throw.

[Really Clark?]

We would not pay MVB for his freshman performance but for the value he would bring the next couple of years. A big part of a coach's job is talent evaluation and development. Lebby made his decision about MVB. Going forward he will have to answer for it if it does not work out.

LSU is not paying for that either. And he is not a player you pay extra on now for future returns. Transfer portal and NIL world just doesn't allow for that in 99% of the cases. You pay extra now, he demands extra again during the season, etc etc. You develop him and he does blow up some he is still gone looking at a higher payday elsewhere.

[HancockCountyDog]

It is a perception/branding problem.

The perception is that our talented players would rather be backups at more successful programs.

That is a massive problem. It may not be true, but that is the perception of most people when this sh!t happens.

To be clear going from MVB to Luke K is a downgrade. One showed promise, the other was terrible.

We need some good news today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We would not pay MVB for his freshman performance but for the value he would bring the next couple of years. A big part of a coach's job is talent evaluation and development. Lebby made his decision about MVB. Going forward he will have to answer for it if it does not work out.

You realize this is the portal era right? If we paid more this year he would just want more next year, regardless of result.

[Coach34]

This is a terrible look for us.

[Coursesuper]

It is a perception/branding problem.

The perception is that our talented players would rather be backups at more successful programs.

That is a massive problem. It may not be true, but that is the perception of most people when this sh!t happens.

To be clear going from MVB to Luke K is a downgrade. One showed promise, the other was terrible.

We need some good news today.

The QB swap is for one that has the size, frame, speed and arm to compete in the veer and shoot from a player with just the arm. Perceptions are bent by ignorance of a desperate fan base that is grasping at straws. How bad were the Hawks this year? They lost a lot from the season before.

[msstate7]

The QB swap is for one that has the size, frame, speed and arm to compete in the veer and shoot from a player with just the arm. Perceptions are bent by ignorance of a desperate fan base that is grasping at straws. How bad were the Hawks this year? They lost a lot from the season before.

Gotta have size to make this offense work like Dillion Gabriel

[Tough Dawg]

Ignorance? Doesn?t take a genius to see the lack of results (2-10) and a string of questionable decision making by our HC.

He has to be and better be precise on his decision making starting today.

[bulldawg28]

Terrible look for Lebby. It's just getting is closer to a Mullen reunion. I can hardly wait!

[Tough Dawg]

Exactly.

[msstate7]

Terrible look for Lebby. It's just getting is closer to a Mullen reunion. I can hardly wait!

I wish. I can't see that happening though

[bulldawg28]

I wish. I can't see that happening though

Why can't you? If Mullen is willing you bring him back. At the rate things are going we won't have to wait long.

[msstate7]

Why can't you? If Mullen is willing you bring him back. At the rate things are going we won't have to wait long.

Just doubt it. I would be thrilled to be wrong though

[Really Clark?]

Y'all talking about Mullen coming back and Todd's finger are starting it itch to slam y'all!! Lol. Love ya buddy!!

[bulldawg28]

Y'all talking about Mullen coming back and Todd's finger are starting it itch to slam y'all!! Lol. Love ya buddy!!

Lol....We want Mullen!!! Bring back Mullen! I guarantee you if we struggle this year you'll hear that chant during a game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why can't you? If Mullen is willing you bring him back. At the rate things are going we won't have to wait long.

Mullen is not willing. One of the big reasons Dan did this was because he can now send his son to Bishop Gorman, which is one of the best athletic programs in the country. He wants Cannon to get a basketball scholarship

[KB21]

Lol....We want Mullen!!! Bring back Mullen! I guarantee you if we struggle this year you'll hear that chant during a game.

Because we have a football stupid fan base.

[bulldawg28]

Mullen is not willing. One of the big reasons Dan did this was because he can now send his son to Bishop Gorman, which is one of the best athletic programs in the country. He wants Cannon to get a basketball scholarship

Will all due respect you have no clue what Dan is thinking. Most thought he'd never coach again. If Cannon is a legitimate basketball player he'll get a scholarship at SHS. It will actually be more difficult to play at a powerhouse like BG.

[bulldawg28]

Because we have a football stupid fan base.

Yep, they wanted to try something new over a true freshman that played well against the toughest schedule in the country. Upside through the roof. Now we're back to foundation trying to build again. Stupid fan base indeed.

[Tough Dawg]

This thread has digressed a bit. Mullen won?t be back. I wanted Lebby to be the guy badly. But the last 2 months I?ve been highly disappointed by some really poor decisions

[Really Clark?]

This thread has digressed a bit. Mullen won?t be back. I wanted Lebby to be the guy badly. But the last 2 months I?ve been highly disappointed by some really poor decisions

It's Elitedawgs, thread high-jacking is a tradition. Lol

[Cowbell]

Because we have a football stupid fan base.

This irony in this is you are replying to a past FB player of ours lolz

[Bothrops]

Why can't you? If Mullen is willing you bring him back. At the rate things are going we won't have to wait long.

I just don't see Mullen winning here with the new system in place. Roster attrition is going to be bad every year.

[Dawgface]

You realize this is the portal era right? If we paid more this year he would just want more next year, regardless of result.
You can say the same for every player.

[bulldawg28]

I just don't see Mullen winning here with the new system in place. Roster attrition is going to be bad every year.

His UNLV stint is his introduction to the new system.

[Bdawg]

LSU is not paying for that either. And he is not a player you pay extra on now for future returns. Transfer portal and NIL world just doesn't allow for that in 99% of the cases. You pay extra now, he demands extra again during the season, etc etc. You develop him and he does blow up some he is still gone looking at a higher payday elsewhere.

This all day. Pay for play is one year negotiations at a time. If players think they are worth more, they will have in-season negotiations, which is nuts. The quicker we have binding contracts, the better

[Pancho]

Van Buren has a good arm and I can see him being pretty good at LSU. He will more than likely have a good OL in front of him giving him time to throw.

those nfl WR's at LSU need a qb who doesn't slow float a deep ball

[Ranchdawg]

I am so absolutely and totally disappointed with our whole athletic administration. Football is a complete dumpster fire, men’s basketball is pretty good but just good enough to make the tournament, women’s basketball same, soccer just lost their coach to Auburn, baseball don’t know enough but sorta feel no Omaha, softball doubt very good.

[Dawgology]

It?s all about perception. Until our program as a whole comes to grips with this we will continue a downward spiral to irrelevance. We will have to overpay to keep and get talent for a little while. If our program isnt willing to do that then we all need to just find a different team to follow. We must change perception and this is one of those little details that we miss in our athletic department that I continue to talk about.

[EdwardDrayton]

You realize this is the portal era right? If we paid more this year he would just want more next year, regardless of result.

And? If he delivers, which he likely will, then pay him. We want to beg for NIL from fans and then we want to scrimp. Push the chips to the center of the table. We are such pu$$ies sometimes.

[EdwardDrayton]

LSU is not paying for that either. And he is not a player you pay extra on now for future returns. Transfer portal and NIL world just doesn't allow for that in 99% of the cases. You pay extra now, he demands extra again during the season, etc etc. You develop him and he does blow up some he is still gone looking at a higher payday elsewhere.

Bull$hit. Pay him for the potential and pay him then for what he delivers. Have some balls and make a decision that gives us a chance to win. We are such pu$$ies sometimes. There are no guarantees but at least get in the game with some brass balls. Otherwise sign us up for the Sunbelt conference.

[Coach34]

LSU stole our QB from u because we are dumb.

College Football 2024

[Really Clark?]

Bull$hit. Pay him for the potential and pay him then for what he delivers. Have some balls and make a decision that gives us a chance to win. We are such pu$$ies sometimes. There are no guarantees but at least get in the game with some brass balls. Otherwise sign us up for the Sunbelt conference.

You can be ignorant and pissy all you want, it would have been stupid to play that game and guarantee him 2 years as starter. Overspend other areas of need. He ain't worth all he was asking.

[mparkerfd20]

This thread proves we have the stupidest ****ing fans of all time.

[msstate7]

This thread proves we have the stupidest ****ing fans of all time.

Bc lsu taking a good player from us is a good thing. Losing Arnold to Auburn is also good. If we miss on another player, no problem - it's a good thing

[RezDog7]

Terrible look for Lebby. It's just getting is closer to a Mullen reunion. I can hardly wait!

It's really funny that our fanbase thinks our administration would make a good decision.

[EdwardDrayton]

You can be ignorant and pissy all you want, it would have been stupid to play that game and guarantee him 2 years as starter. Overspend other areas of need. He ain't worth all he was asking.

Your predictable response to claim no one is as intelligent as you. Translation: insecurity possesses your inner self. Can't help you grow a pair.

[Todd4State]

I really don't understand why so many of our fans are so enamored with MVB.

Yes he showed promise but it's not like he was Dak 2014 out there or anything like that. He didn't have any historic upset wins or even an Egg Bowl win.

[EdwardDrayton]

I really don't understand why so many of our fans are so enamored with MVB.

Yes he showed promise but it's not like he was Dak 2014 out there or anything like that. He didn't have any historic upset wins or even an Egg Bowl win.

C'mon Todd. You're more knowledgeable than that. You know MVB did not have the supporting cast to post any upset wins as a freshman, least of all the Egg Bowl.

[msstate7]

I really don't understand why so many of our fans are so enamored with MVB.

Yes he showed promise but it's not like he was Dak 2014 out there or anything like that. He didn't have any historic upset wins or even an Egg Bowl win.

4th year junior to true freshman - fair comparison

[Really Clark?]

Your predictable response to claim no one is as intelligent as you. Translation: insecurity possesses your inner self. Can't help you grow a pair.

I didn't say that at all or make that claim at any point. But nice trying to twist it around. Only a real pus would revert to claiming someone else doesn't have a pair on the internet. We can discuss face to face.

[msstate7]

I didn't say that at all or make that claim at any point. But nice trying to twist it around. Only a real pus would revert to claiming someone else doesn't have a pair on the internet. We can discuss face to face.

How well is our big recruiting weekend going? This shit show has our fanbase at each other's throat to the point the cool and collected really Clark ready to meet at sonic

[EdwardDrayton]

I didn't say that at all or make that claim at any point. But nice trying to twist it around. Only a real pus would revert to claiming someone else doesn't have a pair on the internet. We can discuss face to face.

<chuckle>.

[Really Clark?]

How well is our big recruiting weekend going? This shit show has our fanbase at each other's throat to the point the cool and collected really Clark ready to meet at sonic

Ha. You are right. I should be better than that.

[Tater]

How well is our big recruiting weekend going? This shit show has our fanbase at each other's throat to the point the cool and collected really Clark ready to meet at sonic

Hey man. Could be worse. Our coach could have personal baggage too....

[Cowbell]

How well is our big recruiting weekend going? This shit show has our fanbase at each other's throat to the point the cool and collected really Clark ready to meet at sonic

😂

"Tis the season" - speaking of Clark

[EdwardDrayton]

We're all lifelong State fans folks. We may not always agree but we're all in the same boat. Continue to speak your mind. If we're always saying 'yes' together, only some of us are doing the thinking.

[CaptainObvious]

C'mon Todd. You're more knowledgeable than that. You know MVB did not have the supporting cast to post any upset wins as a freshman, least of all the Egg Bowl.

He had a couple of chances to take the Egg Bowl for us. His mistakes costs us opportunities, not his supporting cast!

[Really Clark?]

We're all lifelong State fans folks. We may not always agree but we're all in the same boat. Continue to speak your mind. If we're always saying 'yes' together, only some of us are doing the thinking.

Absolutely Edward!!

[Really Clark?]

😂

"Tis the season" - speaking of Clark

Holy #$&%!! Where's the Tylenol!!

[Todd4State]

C'mon Todd. You're more knowledgeable than that. You know MVB did not have the supporting cast to post any upset wins as a freshman, least of all the Egg Bowl.

We had a really good receiver group, a solid TE in Traore and the running game was adequate. He had some weapons to work with.

If we get Kroenhoeck we're getting a better QB honestly if you look at their film. And that's what the portal is about - getting your team better.

If/when Shapen goes down and we have to use Kroenhoeck we're getting a guy with SEC experience (Florida/FSU game) who has a cannon for an arm, looks much better on short/intermediate passes than Van Buren, and is a much better and more physical runner with a larger frame that can take hits.

[Todd4State]

4th year junior to true freshman - fair comparison

My point is he hasn't done anything. But you know that. Certainly not worth the complaining.

I could compare him to 1980 John Bond and the comparison still holds true.

[Dawgology]

The mouthpieces on here like to piss on your head and tell you it raining. All we have heard all season (and it’s true) is that we had the best WR group State has ever had. We have now basically lost them all…. That’s not a positive for any facet of this program. It damages our already terrible public perception and it impacts the talent level and ability to compete.

[msstate7]

The mouthpieces on here like to piss on your head and tell you it raining. All we have heard all season (and it’s true) is that we had the best WR group State has ever had. We have now basically lost them all…. That’s not a positive for any facet of this program. It damages our already terrible public perception and it impacts the talent level and ability to compete.

The portal has not gone well. Our big weekend was a total flop.