Soooooooo.....

[Coach34]

We signed a plastic QB we knew would get hurt. And he did.

Replaced him with a true freshman that showed promise to finish the season. Then we piss off this QB by coveting the OU QB that Lebby knew and coached. That QB said FO Lebby- I'm going to Auburn.

Now we have let our Freshman QB go because we wouldnt commit to him- and are trying to replace him with a guy from Fla State that was worse than him this past season.


We are M-State

[Dawgface]

In Lebby we trust. Ha.

[cheewgumm]

A bird in the hand ?

[Cowbell]

In MVB's defense, he is worth every bit as much as Arnold and should be pissed he wasn't offered the same. You can't be mad that we didn't get Arnold (other than input coaching staff getting taken to school) and also say MVB ain't worth 1.5M

[EdwardDrayton]

We signed a plastic QB we knew would get hurt. And he did.

Replaced him with a true freshman that showed promise to finish the season. Then we piss off this QB by coveting the OU QB that Lebby knew and coached. That QB said FO Lebby- I'm going to Auburn.

Now we have let our Freshman QB go because we wouldnt commit to him- and are trying to replace him with a guy from Fla State that was worse than him this past season.


We are M-State

Everything right here, in a nutshell.

[NCMSTFAN]

We signed a plastic QB we knew would get hurt. And he did.

Replaced him with a true freshman that showed promise to finish the season. Then we piss off this QB by coveting the OU QB that Lebby knew and coached. That QB said FO Lebby- I'm going to Auburn.

Now we have let our Freshman QB go because we wouldnt commit to him- and are trying to replace him with a guy from Fla State that was worse than him this past season.


We are M-State

Great post

[EdwardDrayton]

In Lebby we trust. Ha.

He's not really instilling much trust with us right now. But he's our guy for awhile. Hopefully he finds a way out of the darkness he's perpetuating.

[Really Clark?]

In MVB's defense, he is worth every bit as much as Arnold and should be pissed he wasn't offered the same. You can't be mad that we didn't get Arnold (other than input coaching staff getting taken to school) and also say MVB ain't worth 1.5M

How can you say that when MVB doesn't have those kind of offers in the market? He's looking at back-up P4 and G5 opportunities so far. It may change but right now he is in that $500,000 range but we wanted $1.5 MIL from us (down to $1MIL now) and to guarantee him the starting job. Just no way you agree to that. You wouldn't either.

[R2Dawg]

And here is yet another issue with NIL. The fanbase will never be on the same page with players and what they think they are worth. MVB was a solid freshman year but he ain't 1.5ml proven good. Neither is other QB to Aub either nor the one from FSU. Heck all of them may bomb.

The game that goes on is just a joke. Gotta trust your coaches.

[msstate7]

How can you say that when MVB doesn't have those kind of offers in the market? He's looking at back-up P4 and G5 opportunities so far. It may change but right now he is in that $500,000 range but we wanted $1.5 MIL from us (down to $1MIL now) and to guarantee him the starting job. Just no way you agree to that. You wouldn't either.

His on-the-field production is just as good as Arnold. Arnold is living off a HS rating.

[KB21]

His on-the-field production is just as good as Arnold. Arnold is living off a HS rating.

54% to 63% in Lebby's offense. 7.2 YPA to 9.0.

[Really Clark?]

His on-the-field production is just as good as Arnold. Arnold is living off a HS rating.

I think Auburn over paid for Arnold as well. My point is that MVB is not getting that kind offers in the open market. So why should we vastly over pay for him? Along with him wanting to be the guaranteed started. Nobody should get that off a 2-10 team.

[msstate7]

54% to 63% in Lebby's offense. 7.2 YPA to 9.0.

Maybe you should dig a little... Arnold stats are inflated in a couple games where he got mop up dirty in games where Oklahoma won by like a 100 points combined.

[HoopsDawg]

If MVB truly wanted 1.5 from us, I don't want to hear it from anyone in our fanbase. No way he was worth that.

[msstate7]

I think Auburn over paid for Arnold as well. My point is that MVB is not getting that kind offers in the open market. So why should we vastly over pay for him? Along with him wanting to be the guaranteed started. Nobody should get that off a 2-10 team.

We shouldn't, but I would make a fair offer to him and sorta apologize in case he doesn't get his number, which he most likely won't get

[msstate7]

If MVB truly wanted 1.5 from us, I don't want to hear it from anyone in our fanbase. No way he was worth that.

He, nor Arnold are worth 1.5

[RisperDawg]

I think Auburn over paid for Arnold as well. My point is that MVB is not getting that kind offers in the open market. So why should we vastly over pay for him? Along with him wanting to be the guaranteed started. Nobody should get that off a 2-10 team.

I'm with you and am dumbfounded that other State fans are saying we "should've just paid it." Why would you overpay like that? The market seems to be bearing out the absurdity of his request.

[msstate7]

I'm with you and am dumbfounded that other State fans are saying we "should've just paid it." Why would you overpay like that? The market seems to be bearing out the absurdity of his request.

I don't think we should overpay for MVB, but everyone was on board for overpaying Arnold. Neither are worth 1.5

[cheewgumm]

Offer MVB $650k, with. No starter guarantee.

[Really Clark?]

We shouldn't, but I would make a fair offer to him and sorta apologize in case he doesn't get his number, which he most likely won't get

I wouldn't apologize at all. A fair offer from us absolutely, but he needs to express that he wants to compete for the starting job, not demand it. He thought he had leverage, Craver too. I don't see it happening though.

[Dawgology]

These guys just don’t understand that State will HAVE to overpay to get anything close to elite talent due to the fact that we’ve had two miserable seasons and the image that we’ve allowed to be perpetuated about the football program for years. Pay up. Get great talent. Win. Things will get easier in recruiting at that point. In the current paradigm that’s the only sequence that will work.

[Coach34]

If MVB truly wanted 1.5 from us, I don't want to hear it from anyone in our fanbase. No way he was worth that.

I heard it was 900K

[DEDawg]

We shouldn't, but I would make a fair offer to him and sorta apologize in case he doesn't get his number, which he most likely won't get

Apologize for what? We still cant guarantee him the starting job

[msstate7]

Apologize for what? We still cant guarantee him the starting job

We offered a qb that isn't any better a lot more money

[Really Clark?]

I heard it was 900K

It wasn't that low. They were still looking for $1MIL+ just a day or so ago. $1.1 was a number thrown around a good bit Thursday / Friday.

[Really Clark?]

These guys just don’t understand that State will HAVE to overpay to get anything close to elite talent due to the fact that we’ve had two miserable seasons and the image that we’ve allowed to be perpetuated about the football program for years. Pay up. Get great talent. Win. Things will get easier in recruiting at that point. In the current paradigm that’s the only sequence that will work.

Overpaying is what we have to do, but not to that extent AND demanding the starting job. I don't care if he only wanted $300,000, I'm not guaranteeing anyone a starting position after going 2-10.

[DEDawg]

We offered a qb that isn't any better a lot more money

By whose standards? Yours? Considering MVB cant get a visit at an SEC school while JA was desperately wanted by two, makes me think people who know football have a different opinion than you on that.

[msstate7]

By whose standards? Yours? Considering MVB cant get a visit at an SEC school while JA was desperately wanted by two, makes me think people who know football have a different opinion than you on that.

Let's just use impartial stats for this season...
MVB...
Passer rating - 125.3
QBR - 63.0

jA...
Passer rating - 124.8
QBR - 47.8

[Dawgology]

Overpaying is what we have to do, but not to that extent AND demanding the starting job. I don't care if he only wanted $300,000, I'm not guaranteeing anyone a starting position after going 2-10.

Yeah the team went 2-10. He didnt lose to Toledo and Arizona State. He got as many wins as Shapen last year. And played his heart out against the toughest SEC schedule in the nation and kept us games as a true freshman. If you can go out there and get a QB for 1 mil that is better than that then go for it. If not. Pay him. Sounds like this coaching staff and administration as well as the NIL collective doesn’t have much of a plan.

[Matt3467]

Well we could do what Freeze would do and that's tell him he's the starter guaranteed as long as he's here. Also we could overpay.

[HoopsDawg]

Let's just use impartial stats for this season...
MVB...
Passer rating - 125.3
QBR - 63.0

jA...
Passer rating - 124.8
QBR - 47.8

It should be obvious that you can't just look at stats to evaluate a QB.

[HoopsDawg]

I heard it was 900K

Yeah, we can't pay 900k for a backup.

[msstate7]

It should be obvious that you can't just look at stats to evaluate a QB.

What exactly are we looking at to say Arnold is better other than a HS recruiting ranking?

[DEDawg]

What exactly are we looking at to say Arnold is better other than a HS recruiting ranking?

Maybe the fact no other school is offering him but JA had 3 P4 schools want him

[HoopsDawg]

What exactly are we looking at to say Arnold is better other than a HS recruiting ranking?

Some people are able to evaluate film and not just copy and paste stats.

[chef dixon]

So any chance MVB comes back if he's not getting what he wants on the market?

[Really Clark?]

Yeah the team went 2-10. He didnt lose to Toledo and Arizona State. He got as many wins as Shapen last year. And played his heart out against the toughest SEC schedule in the nation and kept us games as a true freshman. If you can go out there and get a QB for 1 mil that is better than that then go for it. If not. Pay him. Sounds like this coaching staff and administration as well as the NIL collective doesn’t have much of a plan.

And to keep with your narrative, you have yet to address the big issue of demanding to be the starting QB. Nobody in their right mind will do that.

You can keep saying pay him his asking price but if he can't and shouldn't get that anywhere else, then he is not worth it here either.

[msstate7]

Some people are able to evaluate film and not just copy and paste stats.

What film? They both played against OM, Tenn, and mizzou, and their stats are pretty much the same. Arnold is living off a HS rating. I'm really interested in your film breakdown. Perhaps you can post some examples for us non-experts like yourself. I'll be waiting

[msstate7]

And to keep with your narrative, you have yet to address the big issue of demanding to be the starting QB. Nobody in their right mind will do that.

You can keep saying pay him his asking price but if he can't and shouldn't get that anywhere else, then he is not worth it here either.

MVB is immature and stupid for showing up to meeting smelling like weed, but he's just as good as Arnold. Neither are worth what they want

[confucius say]

I don't think we should overpay for MVB, but everyone was on board for overpaying Arnold. Neither are worth 1.5

Not everyone.

[confucius say]

These guys just don’t understand that State will HAVE to overpay to get anything close to elite talent due to the fact that we’ve had two miserable seasons and the image that we’ve allowed to be perpetuated about the football program for years. Pay up. Get great talent. Win. Things will get easier in recruiting at that point. In the current paradigm that’s the only sequence that will work.

I'm on board with this if you are in the game for elite talent. But we aren't.

[msstate7]

Not everyone.

Common ground then. I wanted Arnold for around 1, but that's it

[confucius say]

MVB is immature and stupid for showing up to meeting smelling like weed, but he's just as good as Arnold. Neither are worth what they want

I agree with this largely. Different skill sets. But yea.
Both would be the backup behind Shapen going into the fall. That's from the building, not my opinion.

[confucius say]

Common ground then. I wanted Arnold for around 1, but that's it

Agree. Not worth more than that based on his body of work.

[Todd4State]

What exactly are we looking at to say Arnold is better other than a HS recruiting ranking?

Context. MVB was running an offense that fit his skill set. Arnold wasn't. And put up similar numbers.

The biggest thing about Arnold is he will be an upper class player who has beaten SEC teams before like Alabama. MVB has beaten UMass.

[Bdawg]

In MVB's defense, he is worth every bit as much as Arnold and should be pissed he wasn't offered the same. You can't be mad that we didn't get Arnold (other than input coaching staff getting taken to school) and also say MVB ain't worth 1.5M

Maybe Lebby didn?t think so?idk.. just saying. I watched a lot of dirt balls from MVB. Not saying Arnold is the savior but he did have a banged up WR corp( like really bad). Just have to trust the coaches eval. It?s his own moves that will hang himself or prove he knows what he?s doing. Obviously, AU wanted him bad enough too.

[Todd4State]

We signed a plastic QB we knew would get hurt. And he did.

Replaced him with a true freshman that showed promise to finish the season. Then we piss off this QB by coveting the OU QB that Lebby knew and coached. That QB said FO Lebby- I'm going to Auburn.

Now we have let our Freshman QB go because we wouldnt commit to him- and are trying to replace him with a guy from Fla State that was worse than him this past season.


We are M-State

Summed it up nicely.

I'll feel better about this if we get an upperclass QB just because we're playing with fire with Shapen.

[Bdawg]

We offered a qb that isn't any better a lot more money

You may think that but maybe the coaches don?t.

[msstate7]

Context. MVB was running an offense that fit his skill set. Arnold wasn't. And put up similar numbers.

The biggest thing about Arnold is he will be an upper class player who has beaten SEC teams before like Alabama. MVB has beaten UMass.

Their defense won that game. He did run the ball well, but his passing was non-existent. He followed that up with nothing vs lsu

[msstate7]

You may think that but maybe the coaches don?t.

I think it's more MVB's immaturity than ability deficit. Homedawg said we wouldn't get Arnold from the beginning, and he also said even if we do, shapen will start. Bc of this, I don't think we lost much.

[Bdawg]

Let's just use impartial stats for this season...
MVB...
Passer rating - 125.3
QBR - 63.0

jA...
Passer rating - 124.8
QBR - 47.8

You love stats, but sometimes they don?t mean crap. It?s 2 different teams and JA wide receiver corp was destroyed. Not saying JA is the greatest thing since sliced bread and also not saying MVB is bad, but just because you throw 2 stats out there that doesn?t make MVB better than Arnold. I would say the same thing if the number were reversed. You have to look at their talent, arm strength, accuracy, ability to read defenses, touch on short and long throws, pocket presence, ability to escape, speed, etc. If Lebby thinks one is worth 1.2 and the other is worth 500k, then it?s his choice. I serious doubt he?s making a decision off of 2 stats to say one is better than the other!! There are way more factors than 2 stats.

[DEDawg]

Hopefully Shapen stays healthy and it?s a moot point. He had 974 yards, 8 TD, and 1 INT in 4 games. That needs context because the schedule got tougher, but it isnt like Shapen was playing poorly last year. Im fine rolling with that and the FSU kid as the #2 assuming we spend whatever the delta was between FSU QB and JA on more legit portal players

[msstate7]

You love stats, but sometimes they don?t mean crap. It?s 2 different teams and JA wide receiver corp was destroyed. Not saying JA is the greatest thing since sliced bread and also not saying MVB is bad, but just because you throw 2 stats out there that doesn?t make MVB better than Arnold. I would say the same thing if the number were reversed. You have to look at their talent, arm strength, accuracy, ability to read defenses, touch on short and long throws, pocket presence, ability to escape, speed, etc. If Lebby thinks one is worth 1.2 and the other is worth 500k, then it?s his choice. I serious doubt he?s making a decision off of 2 stats to say one is better than the other!! There are way more factors than 2 stats.

Brenen Thompson played. Should we be excited about getting him from their "destroyed" wr corp?

[Bdawg]

MVB is immature and stupid for showing up to meeting smelling like weed, but he's just as good as Arnold. Neither are worth what they want

I agree with your last sentence

[Bdawg]

I agree with this largely. Different skill sets. But yea.
Both would be the backup behind Shapen going into the fall. That's from the building, not my opinion.

If that’s the case, why we offer a backup more than Shapen? Doesn’t add up to me?

[msstate7]

If that’s the case, why we offer a backup more than Shapen? Doesn’t add up to me?

I wonder this mysel. Perhaps perception is worth blowing money.

[Bdawg]

I think it's more MVB's immaturity than ability deficit. Homedawg said we wouldn't get Arnold from the beginning, and he also said even if we do, shapen will start. Bc of this, I don't think we lost much.

I don’t know how anyone could name a starter after last year. But if Lebby really wanted him, I wish we would have gotten him. Then maybe the best man win.

[Brobi-wan]

If that’s the case, why we offer a backup more than Shapen? Doesn’t add up to me?

Because we can’t pay Shapen to be on a gurney.

[Bdawg]

Brenen Thompson played. Should we be excited about getting him from their "destroyed" wr corp?

I dont know. Don’t know much about him. Hope our OC knows how to use him better than Oklahoma’s OC. He’s just fast. Guess time will tell

[Bdawg]

I wonder this mysel. Perhaps perception is worth blowing money.

Not to me if it causes us to lose out on other good players. We need help everywhere and DL is still weak sauce right now

[Bdawg]

Because we can’t pay Shapen to be on a gurney.

Ha. Well then we should be bringing in a starter and not wasting practice snaps on a guy who’s going to be on a gurney.

[Brobi-wan]

Ha. Well then we should be bringing in a starter and not wasting practice snaps on a guy who’s going to be on a gurney.

You won’t find an argument here. I’m in total agreement with you.

[Todd4State]

Their defense won that game. He did run the ball well, but his passing was non-existent. He followed that up with nothing vs lsu

His receivers were also non-existent. Like he was literally throwing to running backs and tight ends because their receivers were decimated with injury.

A lot of people play like crap at LSU.

[Todd4State]

These guys just don?t understand that State will HAVE to overpay to get anything close to elite talent due to the fact that we?ve had two miserable seasons and the image that we?ve allowed to be perpetuated about the football program for years. Pay up. Get great talent. Win. Things will get easier in recruiting at that point. In the current paradigm that?s the only sequence that will work.

THIS.

[parabrave]

He, nor Arnold are worth 1.5

This and if you are talking about the QB who 1st couldn't see the field at Clemson and then tanked FSUs season o hell no. Offer MVB 650,000 tell him he still needs some work but will eventually start once he develops touch on 15 yard passes and less. Hire a competent QB Coach, Lebby you be the HC now and start acting like one.

[Todd4State]

This and if you are talking about the QB who 1st couldn't see the field at Clemson and then tanked FSUs season o hell no. Offer MVB 650,000 tell him he still needs some work but will eventually start once he develops touch on 15 yard passes and less. Hire a competent QB Coach, Lebby you be the HC now and start acting like one.

It's not just that. MVB stares down receivers. He gets passes batted down. He takes dumb delay of game penalties at least twice a game. I'm really kind of confused as to why our fans were so impressed with him. He never really seemed to get going until we were down by at least 10 points.

It sounds to me like he might end up at Tulane which would be good for him because he can fix those things and then transfer again. Hard to compete with NOLA if you're Starkville I guess.**

Oh and I forgot about him sliding at least 2-3 yards before the first down marker.

[parabrave]

It's not just that. MVB stares down receivers. He gets passes batted down. He takes dumb delay of game penalties at least twice a game. I'm really kind of confused as to why our fans were so impressed with him. He never really seemed to get going until we were down by at least 10 points.

It sounds to me like he might end up at Tulane which would be good for him because he can fix those things and then transfer again. Hard to compete with NOLA if you're Starkville I guess.**

Oh and I forgot about him sliding at least 2-3 yards before the first down marker.

And that's what a competent QB coach is for. But if what was said about him showing up at practice smelling of weed has any truth to it then see ya later and the coach who didn't correct him should've been fired. When you have Deion being the epitome of being a hard ass coach who expects the players to act right and the results he has gotten then maybe just maybe you should go with his example/

[Todd4State]

And that's what a competent QB coach is for. But if what was said about him showing up at practice smelling of weed has any truth to it then see ya later and the coach who didn't correct him should've been fired.

Well he will find plenty of weed in NOLA if he goes to Tulane.

I don't know if he did or didn't show up to practice smelling like weed or not but even if he did we were down to Parson and Jake Weir so he kind of had us over a barrel.

[parabrave]

Well he will find plenty of weed in NOLA if he goes to Tulane.

I don't know if he did or didn't show up to practice smelling like weed or not but even if he did we were down to Parson and Jake Weir so he kind of had us over a barrel.

Nope then you have the players running the team, Thanks NIL, and you get the LB breaking the QBs jaw.

[maroonmania]

We signed a plastic QB we knew would get hurt. And he did.

Replaced him with a true freshman that showed promise to finish the season. Then we piss off this QB by coveting the OU QB that Lebby knew and coached. That QB said FO Lebby- I'm going to Auburn.

Now we have let our Freshman QB go because we wouldnt commit to him- and are trying to replace him with a guy from Fla State that was worse than him this past season.


We are M-State

Why is this surprising? This is the same coach that hired and is now keeping in total the worst defense coordinator and defensive staff in the SEC.

[bulldawg28]

Hey Mullen! Keep your phone on and near you!

[MoreCowbell]

I would actually think paying MVB more to keep him would benefit us greatly. Having a QB starting here for 4 years that fans know and watch grow would help buy in a lot. Picture Freshman year Dak. Not having a clue who any of the God damn players on the roster is half the reason idgaf anymore anyways.

[Tbonewannabe]

Well we could do what Freeze would do and that's tell him he's the starter guaranteed as long as he's here. Also we could overpay.

Freeze will also bench him and throw him under the bus after the first loss. If I was recruiting against Freeze I would just point them to the Bo Wallace thread on Twitter where he talked about how much of a piece of shit Freeze is.

[Really Clark?]

I would actually think paying MVB more to keep him would benefit us greatly. Having a QB starting here for 4 years that fans know and watch grow would help buy in a lot. Picture Freshman year Dak. Not having a clue who any of the God damn players on the roster is half the reason idgaf anymore anyways.

You know paying him a stupid asking price now and bowing to his demand to be the named starter from here on out, does absolutely nothing to guarantee him staying here for 4 years. Your are just asking to be bent over ever year by his agents.

[TALL DAWG]

For $1MM for 1 yr?the Rev could run over me with his bus?back up and?do it 3-4 more times?😂🎅

[DownwardDawg]

We offered a qb that isn't any better a lot more money

Nobody knows that.

[Pancho]

Who is interested currently in MVB? Who is he in contact with?

[Really Clark?]

Who is interested currently in MVB? Who is he in contact with?

Tulane

[Op4isabitch]

I’m curious and I mean this as it sounds. Is there any Coach we’ve ever had that was as good as C34.

Tired of every coach in every sport getting shit on….. f*** it was Lebbys first damn season and he was dealt a shit hand.

[DownwardDawg]

Who is interested currently in MVB? Who is he in contact with?

Apparently LSU. Which is absolutely crazy.

[Coach34]

Tulane

More like LSU. MVB is a lot better than a lot of fans realize

[msstate7]

More like LSU. MVB is a lot better than a lot of fans realize

Just pure copium.

[Really Clark?]

More like LSU. MVB is a lot better than a lot of fans realize

Starting offer at Tulane and opportunity to win our starting job but takes back up role at LSU. Has nothing to do with how good I think he is, I've already said I liked him better than many on here. But let's don't act like he is necessarily getting good advice either. Nor did he get his asking price.

[Coach34]

Starting offer at Tulane and opportunity to win our starting job but takes back up role at LSU. Has nothing to do with how good I think he is, I've already said I liked him better than many on here. But let's don't act like he is necessarily getting good advice either. Nor did he get his asking price.

he got more money from LSU to be their insurance policy and the chance to be their guy in 2026. He made the right choice over Tulane. And it makes us look ****ing dumb

[Really Clark?]

he got more money from LSU to be their insurance policy and the chance to be their guy in 2026. He made the right choice over Tulane. And it makes us look ****ing dumb

I mean it all hinges on if he actually does anything at LSU. But that was not what they thought they were gonna get when he entered the portal. He thought he was getting a starting job in the P4 and over a million dollars. He got neither of those things and actually went to a worse spot to compete right now. We will see on the dollars when it starts coming out but sounds like it closer to what we would pay vs what they were asking.

[Cowbell]

he got more money from LSU to be their insurance policy and the chance to be their guy in 2026. He made the right choice over Tulane. And it makes us look ****ing dumb

Well we were dumb in this. Thankfully, not having the money wasn't the issue this time so Lebby will get to reap what he sows.

[Cowbell]

I mean it all hinges on if he actually does anything at LSU. But that was not what they thought they were gonna get when he entered the portal. He thought he was getting a starting job in the P4 and over a million dollars. He got neither of those things and actually went to a worse spot to compete right now. We will see on the dollars when it starts coming out but sounds like it closer to what we would pay vs what they were asking.

Which all makes it even worse. How bad do we have to be to allow a starting freshman QB to walk to go be a backup at a rival program. Especially when he faced the hardest schedule of anyone in the country. The kid had Texas and Georgia on the ropes. If we had any sniff of a defense in those games we win and he gets offered the 1.5 from other programs that he was asking for. Hes as good as Arnold today.

[Cowbell]

Starting offer at Tulane and opportunity to win our starting job but takes back up role at LSU. Has nothing to do with how good I think he is, I've already said I liked him better than many on here. But let's don't act like he is necessarily getting good advice either. Nor did he get his asking price.

Would you want to play QB behind the oline that he had this year? He has a body to protect if he wants to make money someday.

[Cowbell]

After the Texas game, I had so many Texas fans text me about MVB that I was concerned they might take him from us as a backup to Arch.

[Really Clark?]

Which all makes it even worse. How bad do we have to be to allow a starting freshman QB to walk to go be a backup at a rival program. Especially when he faced the hardest schedule of anyone in the country. The kid had Texas and Georgia on the ropes. If we had any sniff of a defense in those games we win and he gets offered the 1.5 from other programs that he was asking for. Hes as good as Arnold today.

Pretty easy decision actually, you don't tell me you are the starter going forward. No matter what the money demands are. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Lebby made a good decision

[Really Clark?]

Would you want to play QB behind the oline that he had this year? He has a body to protect if he wants to make money someday.

That's a completely moot statement. He absolutely did not care, IF we met his demands. We made to correct decision.

[Cowbell]

Pretty easy decision actually, you don't tell me you are the starter going forward. No matter what the money demands are. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Lebby made a good decision

At some point you guys with sources are going to understand that you have to filter some of the stuff coming out of our coach's offices. They are adding bias to everything that has come out in the last two weeks. Same here. And even if it was true that he said that - he's 18. If I told you some of the things JA has said to people in Denton, you would tell him to hit the door too. Part of a coaches job is to manage 18 year old emotions.

[Cowbell]

That's a completely moot statement. He absolutely did not care, IF we met his demands. We made to correct decision.

How is it moot? I wouldn't want to have to stick around to fight for a starting job on a team with a terrible oline when I could go do the same thing at a team with a pulse that can protect my potentially valuable body. He made the right choice.

[Really Clark?]

At some point you guys with sources are going to understand that you have to filter some of the stuff coming out of our coach's offices. They are adding bias to everything that has come out in the last two weeks. Same here. And even if it was true that he said that - he's 18. If I told you some of the things JA has said to people in Denton, you would tell him to hit the door too. Part of a coaches job is to manage 18 year old emotions.

I get that but not when you get that information from players as well. Some were pissed at him and Craver for their demands that he be giving the starting job for 2 years. Not that they didn't think he was deserving to win the job but not demand a guarantee. Especially with some of the off the field stuff.

The best way to manage those emotions is riding the pine and humbling the player to work back to that position.

[Really Clark?]

How is it moot? I wouldn't want to have to stick around to fight for a starting job on a team with a terrible oline when I could go do the same thing at a team with a pulse that can protect my potentially valuable body. He made the right choice.

It's moot because he was going to stick around no matter what...as long as we cave to his demands. It was ridiculous

[cheewgumm]

Give the extra $ to Otis.

Over pay and get him in here.

[HoopsDawg]

he got more money from LSU to be their insurance policy and the chance to be their guy in 2026. He made the right choice over Tulane. And it makes us look ****ing dumb

depends. did he truly need a guarantee to be the starting QB? Did he truly need 900K or more? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then we made the only move we could make.

[bulldawg28]

I get that but not when you get that information from players as well. Some were pissed at him and Craver for their demands that he be giving the starting job for 2 years. Not that they didn't think he was deserving to win the job but not demand a guarantee. Especially with some of the off the field stuff.

The best way to manage those emotions is riding the pine and humbling the player to work back to that position.

I call BS. Players would have no clue what was said to a coach unless he did it publicly. I know the kid wouldn't negotiate publicly. The ONLY way players would know is if the coach is telling them. If the coach is telling them he needs to go.

[Cowbell]

It's moot because he was going to stick around no matter what...as long as we cave to his demands. It was ridiculous
We disagree on this but I do appreciate your insight and your ability to discuss this without getting your feelings hurt - thanks for that

[Cowbell]

I call BS. Players would have no clue what was said to a coach unless he did it publicly. I know the kid wouldn't negotiate publicly. The ONLY way players would know is if the coach is telling them. If the coach is telling them he needs to go.

This is what I believe is going on but my sources are no better than others here. I believe they are trying to safe face to some degree with other players to keep them from transferring

[bulldawg28]

This is what I believe is going on but my sources are no better than others here. I believe they are trying to safe face to some degree with other players to keep them from transferring

Wow.... this ship won't stay afloat long. Welp, you know how I feel about what's to come next.

[Really Clark?]

I call BS. Players would have no clue what was said to a coach unless he did it publicly. I know the kid wouldn't negotiate publicly. The ONLY way players would know is if the coach is telling them. If the coach is telling them he needs to go.

Well one of them didn't mind sharing to some of the other players what was said. Their buds. It got around to some of the other guys when one of their buds spread it, as he wasn't too fond of that demand either. Another portal guy told it as well. When that matches what's said from other sources, pretty legit. To be fair it wasn't the money demand as much as the guarantee of being a starter for 2 years.

[bulldawg28]

Well one of them didn't mind sharing to some of the other players what was said. Their buds. It got around to some of the other guys when one of their buds spread it, as he wasn't too fond of that demand either. Another portal guy told it as well. When that matches what's said from other sources, pretty legit. To be fair it wasn't the money demand as much as the guarantee of being a starter for 2 years.

Still, the coach or coaches have to be better. I would transfer too if coaches are playing these type of games. There's no doubt favoritism happening which never makes for true success.

[Really Clark?]

We disagree on this but I do appreciate your insight and your ability to discuss this without getting your feelings hurt - thanks for that

Yeah, no worries. I can get fired up sometimes, if someone comes at me. But I really don't have feelings about recruiting / transfers anymore. It's just a business and chess pieces now. I made feelings known years ago when this was breaking and what I thought and how it would play out. Once it started you adapt or die. We tried to die and still digging out of the hole that we were put when several of us was telling the players behind the scenes this was not going to end well for us if we did not get proactive.

[Really Clark?]

Still, the coach or coaches have to be better. I would transfer too if coaches are playing these type of games. There's no doubt favoritism happening which never makes for true success.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a coach telling a player. I meant one of the players that was in the room was sharing this directly. Now is he immature and talks too much. Absolutely! But you have to know that several of the boys won't like the demanding a position.

[Cowbell]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a coach telling a player. I meant one of the players that was in the room was sharing this directly. Now is he immature and talks too much. Absolutely! But you have to know that several of the boys won't like the demanding a position.
And this is expected from young men this age so just part of the game.

[Cowbell]

Yeah, no worries. I can get fired up sometimes, if someone comes at me. But I really don't have feelings about recruiting / transfers anymore. It's just a business and chess pieces now. I made feelings known years ago when this was breaking and what I thought and how it would play out. Once it started you adapt or die. We tried to die and still digging out of the hole that we were put when several of us was telling the players behind the scenes this was not going to end well for us if we did not get proactive.

That's what's so disappointing about the last few days. There were some things handled really poorly, even though Charlie and donors have done a heck of a job to make this easier for the coaches.

[Cowbell]

Wow.... this ship won't stay afloat long. Welp, you know how I feel about what's to come next.
kamario Taylor in a Mullen offense

[Really Clark?]

And this is expected from young men this age so just part of the game.

I get that. When it got serious with the agents though...I agree with not caving to the demand. It's a business and I can't care what anyone thinks, the value has to make sense and overspending where needed has to increase our ROI. MVB numbers and demands was not in line. Hate to lose him, think he will be good. Although I also think 2026 could have been a shoot out with KT for the starting job also.

[BankerDog]

I call BS. Players would have no clue what was said to a coach unless he did it publicly. I know the kid wouldn't negotiate publicly. The ONLY way players would know is if the coach is telling them. If the coach is telling them he needs to go.

You do realize Craver was suspended because he was going around locker room telling everyone what he was wanting right?

[Really Clark?]

That's what's so disappointing about the last few days. There were some things handled really poorly, even though Charlie and donors have done a heck of a job to make this easier for the coaches.

Well I was speaking much further in the past with NIL. But Charlie is outstanding and they have done well. Has the coaches made missteps, absolutely. Not to the level of fail some want to believe but not to the level we need in every way either. They have been much better organized to hit the portal running than years past. We still need more "front office" types to help and embedding in the network of agents better.

[Really Clark?]

You do realize Craver was suspended because he was going around locker room telling everyone what he was wanting right?

Right, exactly the one

[BankerDog]

Right, exactly the one

If people only knew how he and MVB and JJ walked around like they were All-Pros. Bumphis wanted to cut Craver mid season but we weren?t in a position to because Creed quit on his team.

Only reason Leb let Creed continue to practice was because our scout team depth was so void of talented players they needed him out there to at least make it game like.

[BankerDog]

Well I was speaking much further in the past with NIL. But Charlie is outstanding and they have done well. Has the coaches made missteps, absolutely. Not to the level of fail some want to believe but not to the level we need in every way either. They have been much better organized to hit the portal running than years past. We still need more "front office" types to help and embedding in the network of agents better.


Mark is gonna really hate having to not dip into the athletic fund like he has over the past few years to fund academics. Things like the front office are needed. You have to started treating recruiting like the draft, and portal like free agency. You?ll see, and have already started seeing, us take guys in December signing period that will come in as guys trying to make a roster spot during camp and if they aren?t good enough-will be shown the door during spring transfer period. It sucks it?s like that now, but it?s where it?s at.

[bulldawg28]

kamario Taylor in a Mullen offense

Would/will be filthy

[bulldawg28]

You do realize Craver was suspended because he was going around locker room telling everyone what he was wanting right?

If so that was stupid reason for suspension. That's where the team leaders step in.

[KB21]

Lebby isn?t a push over like Arnett was.

[BankerDog]

If so that was stupid reason for suspension. That's where the team leaders step in.

Stupid reason? Geez..you probably also thought Willie Gay deserved to be kicked off the team when he decked Shrader for talking too much at practice. I imagine you?re probably a ?talk s*** get hit guy? until it happens to you and have to run to daddy.

[bulldawg28]

Stupid reason? Geez..you probably also thought Willie Gay deserved to be kicked off the team when he decked Shrader for talking too much at practice. I imagine you?re probably a ?talk s*** get hit guy? until it happens to you and have to run to daddy.

Lol, you don't know me or football locker room dynamics. I have no idea what happened with Willie & the Qb and neither do you. However, if he whipped the starting Qb and no one meaning teamstes did anything it tells you everything. I'm assuming you were a soccer player at best huh?

[bulldawg28]

Lebby isn?t a push over like Arnett was.

The only thing that situation if true speaks to is lack of team leadership.

[Really Clark?]

The only thing that situation if true speaks to is lack of team leadership.

I do agree we need some to step up to be dawg leaders in the locker room. Hope it starts happening soon. I do think KT has the potential to be a leader but it will take him a minute to gain it probably.

[bulldawg28]

I do agree we need some to step up to be dawg leaders in the locker room. Hope it starts happening soon. I do think KT has the potential to be a leader but it will take him a minute to gain it probably.

It's the only way the team wins. Coaches coach and the leaders lead.

[tcdog70]

Quit worrying about QB. MVB wasn?t going to play next year. Shapen in better and So is Kamario. Lebby will have us a QB. KT is better than MVB.. has better arm, better touch, faster, bigger, smarter and all MVB has is experience. KT on the one against Rebs, we score every time. He doesn?t run to goal line and turn his back, not does he slide short of first down.

[Pancho]

^^^^^^^^

[Really Clark?]

It's the only way the team wins. Coaches coach and the leaders lead.

No argument from me at all on that!