Luke Kromenhoek

[DEDawg]

https://247sports.com/player/luke-kromenhoek-46116580/college-307091/

https://247sports.com/season/2025-football/transferportaltop/?positionkey=57

17 JA moving on. Luke is third ranked transfer player and first ranked QB in the portal. Im not familiar with him or how he translates to Lebbys system, but getting the number 1 transfer QB would be a huge win. He is on campus right now hopefully we don?t let him leave without a commitment.

[Brobi-wan]

I agree. Need this commitment this weekend.

[msstate7]

Does any other sec program want him?

[bulldawg28]

Does any other sec program want him?

Not many SEC Qb's need him.

[msstate7]

Not many SEC Qb's need him.

Good.

[DEDawg]

Does any other sec program want him?

He had all the offers out of HS. Georgia, Ole Miss, Florida, Tenn.

Think those guys just have QB set for next year and are spending money elsewhere. It is interesting tho Auburn didn?t pursue.

[Brobi-wan]

He’ll likely be our starter halfway through the season and he will be a splash

[Really Clark?]

He had all the offers out of HS. Georgia, Ole Miss, Florida, Tenn.

Think those guys just have QB set for next year and are spending money elsewhere. It is interesting tho Auburn didn?t pursue.

Auburn did pursue, along with a lot of other QB's. He would have been one of, if not the next target if Arnold hadn't commit.

[DEDawg]

Auburn did pursue, along with a lot of other QB's. He would have been one of, if not the next target if Arnold hadn't commit.

Cool. Not that I don?t trust Lebby with QB but good to know other big programs were on him too. I haven?t watched any film on the kid and don?t know anything about him but hopefully he is a good fit for Lebby and JA was only higher because of familiarity. Fwiw transfer portal has Luke 1 and JA 7

[KB21]

The Kromenhoek?s are being very particular about what they are looking for. This isn?t about money with them. They had a bad experience at FSU and want a good situation for a reset. They respect Jeff Lebby enough from when he recruited Luke out of high school to give him a chance.

[DEDawg]

The Kromenhoek?s are being very particular about what they are looking for. This isn?t about money with them. They had a bad experience at FSU and want a good situation for a reset. They respect Jeff Lebby enough from when he recruited Luke out of high school to give him a chance.

Particular as in guaranteed starting/playing time? Curious if we can give them what it is they want

[HancockCountyDog]

The kid was terrible at FSU.

FSU was a train wreck.

He is just a true freshman, so he still has upside, but MVB performed way better against much tougher competition.

Arnold beat bama and showed SEC ability.

Signing Luke means we are rolling with Shapen next year.

[basedog]

Predicting if Shapen can stay healthy is anyone's guess but I like the fact he is coming back. Also, from what "little" I know about the kids we have signed and portal, it looks better on paper than what we had last year. Good start going into the second year.

[Todd4State]

He has a lot of talent but very little experience.

Essentially this is MVB.

[Dawgface]

Another one that falls into the ‘I’ll believe it when I see it.’

[Young dawg]

I know he wasn?t our first choice, but he has all the tools and could end up being a very good get for us.

[chef dixon]

And what did y'all expect with JA? Not that much experience and looked terrible when he did

There literally is no difference in risk between this guy and JA

[Todd4State]

And what did y'all expect with JA? Not that much experience and looked terrible when he did

There literally is no difference in risk between this guy and JA

Seriously? Arnold has started in the SEC and won games. He will be a year older than this guy. Lebby whiffed. Period.

[DEDawg]

And what did y'all expect with JA? Not that much experience and looked terrible when he did

There literally is no difference in risk between this guy and JA

The difference is JA has played under Lebby and knows the system. Not saying Luke couldn't pick it up quickly

[chef dixon]

Seriously? Arnold has started in the SEC and won games. He will be a year older than this guy. Lebby whiffed. Period.

He definitely whiffed. But did you watch the games? JA played poorly consistently. He won ONE conference game in which he was basically Chris Relf and his defense held the opponent to 3 points.

It's still a big risk especially at 2 mil a year

[basedog]

Seriously? Arnold has started in the SEC and won games. He will be a year older than this guy. Lebby whiffed. Period.

Time will tell. I don't know that Arnold is better than Shapen. We have gotten better results overall compared to last year at this time. It's a learning experience for all D1 programs. We fans don't know what Coaches have to listen to with players having agents now days.
Ain't easy or Saban would still be Coaching.

[basedog]

Time will tell. I don't know that Arnold is better than Shapen. We have gotten better results overall compared to last year at this time. It's a learning experience for all D1 programs. We fans don't know what Coaches have to listen to with players having agents now days.
Ain't easy or Saban would still be Coaching.

Also Arnold ain't worth $1.5 million plus to MSU, maybe to Freeze who will be on hot seat going into the fall.

[MBDawg601]

Looking at Arnold's stats... not sure why his price was driven so high. I know he lacked WR talent, but they're not very good qb stats. He is a former 5 star, sure... He has yet to prove it though.

Shapen had far more impressive stats and one of them was vs a team that has a 1st round bye in the playoff.

If we get a big time QB great, but I do not think missing on JA sets us back as far as folks are saying. It could be a blessing if we utilize that money to land some monsters on the front.

[basedog]

Looking at Arnold's stats... not sure why his price was driven so high. I know he lacked WR talent, but they're not very good qb stats. He is a former 5 star, sure... He has yet to prove it though.

Shapen had far more impressive stats and one of them was vs a team that has a 1st round bye in the playoff.

If we get a big time QB great, but I do not think missing on JA sets us back as far as folks are saying. It could be a blessing if we utilize that money to land some monsters on the front.

I agree, if Arnold is or was so great why did he lose his job. Yes some say it was the OC fault but it ain’t buying. Hey I would have been ok with Arnold especially sine MVB hit the portal. But losing Arnold ain’t worth blaming Lebby. I’m sure he did all he could do.

[Coursesuper]

This pathetic, Arnold has signed with The Reverend Freezus. Move the 17 on. If we can get this other player he?s a better player that what we had on the roster. Whatever we still will have to continue to fight an up hill battle both ways.

[Todd4State]

Time will tell. I don't know that Arnold is better than Shapen. We have gotten better results overall compared to last year at this time. It's a learning experience for all D1 programs. We fans don't know what Coaches have to listen to with players having agents now days.
Ain't easy or Saban would still be Coaching.

Shapen's biggest issue is his durability obviously. He didn't exactly light it up against Toledo or Arizona State. I think he is above average.

[Cowbell]

I agree, if Arnold is or was so great why did he lose his job. Yes some say it was the OC fault but it ain’t buying. Hey I would have been ok with Arnold especially sine MVB hit the portal. But losing Arnold ain’t worth blaming Lebby. I’m sure he did all he could do.

We drove up the price for freeze so have consolation in that.

[basedog]

Shapen's biggest issue is his durability obviously. He didn't exactly light it up against Toledo or Arizona State. I think he is above average.

Arnold wasn’t as good overall either. Shapen has some food stats overall, more experience also. As far as injuries, it happens and if you play the game you can’t worry bout getting hurt. Upside to all this, we played a true Freshman and he did pretty good. So if it happens again in 25 so many are saying Taylor is way better than MVB. Just saying. Oh I’m betting we get a QB in portal.

[basedog]

We drove up the price for freeze so have consolation in that.

Freeze has all his cards on table at Auburn next year. They are good at changing coaches.

[Tater]

Is this thread gonna go 20 pages before we find out we got outbid by Charles Huff and USM and that "we had a different target we were more interested in" before we hype ourselves up over him only to fall flat on our face at the Rock on Labor Day weekend and the entire fanbase wakes up to realize that Lebby has not made a single positive move since since being hired.

Seriously, what player has Lebby added since day 1 that's been a positive and still here?

[Dawgology]

Is this thread gonna go 20 pages before we find out we got outbid by Charles Huff and USM and that "we had a different target we were more interested in" before we hype ourselves up over him only to fall flat on our face at the Rock on Labor Day weekend and the entire fanbase wakes up to realize that Lebby has not made a single positive move since since being hired.

Seriously, what player has Lebby added since day 1 that's been a positive and still here?

Exactly

[NCDawg]

Looking at Arnold's stats... not sure why his price was driven so high. I know he lacked WR talent, but they're not very good qb stats. He is a former 5 star, sure... He has yet to prove it though.

Shapen had far more impressive stats and one of them was vs a team that has a 1st round bye in the playoff.

If we get a big time QB great, but I do not think missing on JA sets us back as far as folks are saying. It could be a blessing if we utilize that money to land some monsters on the front.

I agree. You need a very good OL and DL in order to be really competitive.

[confucius say]

The kid was terrible at FSU.

FSU was a train wreck.

He is just a true freshman, so he still has upside, but MVB performed way better against much tougher competition.

Arnold beat bama and showed SEC ability.

Signing Luke means we are rolling with Shapen next year.

So did signing Arnold. That's what people in the football building have been saying for a week.

[confucius say]

I've said this before, but will say it again. It is going to be difficult to get any big time qb to transfer here. Shapen is the likely starter, and the guy we just signed is slated to be a five star on On3 when the final rankings come out.
Anybody we sign knows the likelihood of them being QB1 is not high.

[TheLostDawg]

Is this thread gonna go 20 pages before we find out we got outbid by Charles Huff and USM and that "we had a different target we were more interested in" before we hype ourselves up over him only to fall flat on our face at the Rock on Labor Day weekend and the entire fanbase wakes up to realize that Lebby has not made a single positive move since since being hired.

Seriously, what player has Lebby added since day 1 that's been a positive and still here?

The way people talk on here, you must have a good nightlife to get players so with that theory southern should be doing better. And they have a target.

We need to spend money on the line, both sides. That's where our money needs to go. You think our qb gets hurt easily, well instead of paying for two decent ones, roll with what you have and get a group that can protect him

[KB21]

I've said this before, but will say it again. It is going to be difficult to get any big time qb to transfer here. Shapen is the likely starter, and the guy we just signed is slated to be a five star on On3 when the final rankings come out.
Anybody we sign knows the likelihood of them being QB1 is not high.

On the other side of that, any QB that is looking for an opportunity knows that he will put up numbers in Lebby's offense:

2019: Dillon Gabriel 236-398-3,653-29-7
2020: Matt Corrall 231-326-3,337-29-14
2021: Matt Corrall 262-386-3,349-20-5
2022: Dillon Gabriel 230-367-3,168-25-6
2023: Dillon Gabriel 266-384-3,660-30-6
2024: Blake Shapen 74-108-974-8-1
Michael Van Buren 140-256-1,886-11-7

MVB, unfortunately, had a significantly lower completion percentage and yards per attempt than most Jeff Lebby QBs.

[Coach34]

He was a true Freshman. Damn. He will get better

[basedog]

He was a true Freshman. Damn. He will get better

I hate we lost him.

[KB21]

He was a true Freshman. Damn. He will get better

Dillon Gabriel in 2019 was a true freshman. Jeff did not like the fact that he had to slow the tempo of his offense down for MVB, nor that the quick passing game couldn't get going with MVB. MVB was also directly responsible for half the sacks he took.

[Really Clark?]

He was a true Freshman. Damn. He will get better

He will. Looks like it might happen in G5 though. I could see him improve for 1-2 years in G5 and then back to a P4 program his senior year.

[Cowbell]

We should offer MVB every bit as much as we were willing to offer Arnold. He is worth the same.

[NCMSTFAN]

We should offer MVB every bit as much as we were willing to offer Arnold. He is worth the same.
I agree!!

[KB21]

He will. Looks like it might happen in G5 though. I could see him improve for 1-2 years in G5 and then back to a P4 program his senior year.

MVB should go play for GJ Kinne at Texas State. That's a good call.

[Really Clark?]

We should offer MVB every bit as much as we were willing to offer Arnold. He is worth the same.

I'm not guaranteeing him the starting job and no, he is not worth $1.1 MIL. He is not getting that in the market so far, not close.

[RisperDawg]

We should offer MVB every bit as much as we were willing to offer Arnold. He is worth the same.

I agree that they are worth the same. Unfortunately, that number is significantly less than either were asking.

[KB21]

I don't agree that they are worth the same. Arnold was much more efficient as a passer in Lebby's offense. His completion percentage was almost 10 points higher, and his YPA was almost a full 2 yards higher.

[Cowbell]

I don't agree that they are worth the same. Arnold was much more efficient as a passer in Lebby's offense. His completion percentage was almost 10 points higher, and his YPA was almost a full 2 yards higher.

Against big 12 defenses. MVB had the hardest schedule of any QB in the country

[msstate7]

Against big 12 defenses. MVB had the hardest schedule of any QB in the country

The legend of Arnold is based on a myth...

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[msstate7]

The legend of Arnold is based on a myth...

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[DEDawg]

Any updates? He is supposedly on a 2 day visit so I imagine we don?t hear anything until tomorrow if there is good news

[confucius say]

The legend of Arnold is based on a myth...

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I agree. As a passer, I would just assume have MVB.
Now Arnold is by far the superior runner.

[DEDawg]

I agree. As a passer, I would just assume have MVB.
Now Arnold is by far the superior runner.

I think this is kind of a myth in its own. MVB throws a beautiful deep ball but is not a good passer. Making the layup throws is arguably more important than having a good deep ball.

[confucius say]

I think this is kind of a myth in its own. MVB throws a beautiful deep ball but is not a good passer. Making the layup throws is arguably more important than having a good deep ball.

Agree. Neither is Arnold.

[DEDawg]

https://x.com/collegefbportal/status/1868746142932185564?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[mo7888]

https://x.com/collegefbportal/status/1868746142932185564?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

Is this the highest rated QB we've ever gotten?

[KB21]

Is this the highest rated QB we've ever gotten?

Yes.

[DEDawg]

Is this the highest rated QB we've ever gotten?

Costello may have been a bit higher but he's up there

[Bothrops]

Costello may have been a bit higher but he's up there

Wasn't Costello a 5 star?

[DawgNamedScuba]

Random highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIwXjqQsr-o

[Pancho]

he has committed today.

[parabrave]

Wow I thought State was bad. Nearly every hightlight they are behind by double digits.

[basedog]

Wow I thought State was bad. Nearly every hightlight they are behind by double digits.

I only read/post on ED and 6 Pack. ED has become the most negative message board by far! As far as QB goes, if we end up with the FSU Qb I think it's the best shape we have been in at that position in a very long time!!

[Commercecomet24]

I only read/post on ED and 6 Pack. ED has become the most negative message board by far! As far as QB goes, if we end up with the FSU Qb I think it's the best shape we have been in at that position in a very long time!!

I 100% agree with everything you just said!

[DEDawg]

I 100% agree with everything you just said!

Room would be a high quality vet starter a 5 star backup and the highest ranked HS guy we?ve ever gotten. Pretty impressive by Lebby

[Brobi-wan]

I only read/post on ED and 6 Pack. ED has become the most negative message board by far! As far as QB goes, if we end up with the FSU Qb I think it's the best shape we have been in at that position in a very long time!!

The doom and gloom on here isn’t as warranted as people think. Now if we go 2-10 next year….it will be. It’s premature at this point.

[TrapGame]

The doom and gloom on here isn’t as warranted as people think. Now if we go 2-10 next year….it will be. It’s premature at this point.

This is a build up of bullshit from 2018 to now and Jeff Lebby is getting the brunt of it b/c he's the guy in the captain's chair at the moment.

Turning this program around and having something like an Arizona State '24 season would calm a lot of tits around here.

If it's another 2-10/3-9 season I think Lebby will be gone. The Croom PTSD will be in full effect. There will be pitch forks and torches in front of Keenum's office.

[BeardoMSU]

I 100% agree with everything you just said!

Indeed. This place has really become insufferable.

[Brobi-wan]

This is a build up of bullshit from 2018 to now and Jeff Lebby is getting the brunt of it b/c he's the guy in the captain's chair at the moment.

Turning this program around and having something like an Arizona State '24 season would calm a lot of tits around here.

If it's another 2-10/3-9 season I think Lebby will be gone. The Croom PTSD will be in full effect. There will be pitch forks and torches in front of Keenum's office.

I don’t think it will be, BUT Keenum probably should be gone. That’s the one part I agree on with some of the more gloomy posters

[EdwardDrayton]

What was insufferable was our football season sooooo........

[Bdawg]

I only read/post on ED and 6 Pack. ED has become the most negative message board by far! As far as QB goes, if we end up with the FSU Qb I think it's the best shape we have been in at that position in a very long time!!

How many times have we let a four star go, miss on one 5 star, and then sign another 5 star? Shouldn?t take long for anyone to answer. Good job Lebby. At least you got it done. Now please let?s get some linemen on both side of the ball!!

[Bdawg]

This is a build up of bullshit from 2018 to now and Jeff Lebby is getting the brunt of it b/c he's the guy in the captain's chair at the moment.

Turning this program around and having something like an Arizona State '24 season would calm a lot of tits around here.

If it's another 2-10/3-9 season I think Lebby will be gone. The Croom PTSD will be in full effect. There will be pitch forks and torches in front of Keenum's office.

I don’t know how to judge the guy with this 2 year flip flop BS schedule Lebby has been given. Hopefully 2026 will be easier for him. Talk about an uphill battle with the 2 year schedule and roster he inherited!!! Toledo game is really hanging over his head and keeping the DC. I get he wants continuity but the DC must show marked improvement next year.

[SPMT]

I don?t know how to judge the guy with this 2 year flip flop BS schedule Lebby has been given. Hopefully 2026 will be easier for him. Talk about an uphill battle with the 2 year schedule and roster he inherited!!! Toledo game is really hanging over his head and keeping the DC. I get he wants continuity but the DC must show marked improvement next year.

Agree. Needs a fair shake.

[maroonmania]

This is a build up of bullshit from 2018 to now and Jeff Lebby is getting the brunt of it b/c he's the guy in the captain's chair at the moment.

Turning this program around and having something like an Arizona State '24 season would calm a lot of tits around here.

If it's another 2-10/3-9 season I think Lebby will be gone. The Croom PTSD will be in full effect. There will be pitch forks and torches in front of Keenum's office.

Lebby could have bought himself some grace with the fanbase if he would have made changes with the defensive staff and brought in someone more proven at DC. By not doing that there is really no basis for being positive.

[DEDawg]

BOOM
https://x.com/on3sports/status/1869059255472705694?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[parabrave]

T and L were talking about LK vs JA yesterday. Takling about how LK was a better prospect but JA was supposed to be the Lebby guy and the perception between MSU and National.

[TrapGame]

Lebby could have bought himself some grace with the fanbase if he would have made changes with the defensive staff and brought in someone more proven at DC. By not doing that there is really no basis for being positive.

Keeping Hutzler pisses me off. I don't care how improved we looked against OM. Half those ****ers were checked out b/c their special season was over.

We need to annihilate USM and Huff on Labor Day weekend. If Huff gets a rag tag bunch of leftovers from nothing G5 programs and gives us a tight game it will be over before it starts.

[HancockCountyDog]

I cant believe USM was able to hire Huff. He is a damn good coach.

Whoever is giving him advice is a moron.

[TrapGame]

I cant believe USM was able to hire Huff. He is a damn good coach.

Whoever is giving him advice is a moron.

He wanted to be closer to home. But, USM is a coaching graveyard since Bower. Fedora left them is shambles. He was using them for a bigger job. I knew his best friend from Texas for a few years. He said Fedora wanted to hire his brother as OC. His brother was the head coach at a high school in Texas. USM couldn't even pay him more than his high school coaching job.

[DEDawg]

T and L were talking about LK vs JA yesterday. Takling about how LK was a better prospect but JA was supposed to be the Lebby guy and the perception between MSU and National.
Yeah this seems to be the consensus between everyone but MSU and AU. I assume if he had them both and could only take one, Lebby would take JA, but I?m not upset at all. Huge get for us

[Todd4State]

Yeah this seems to be the consensus between everyone but MSU and AU. I assume if he had them both and could only take one, Lebby would take JA, but I?m not upset at all. Huge get for us

Arnold would have given us a better chance to win now.

That said Kromenhoek has a higher ceiling and we get him for more years potentially.

[basedog]

Arnold would have given us a better chance to win now.

That said Kromenhoek has a higher ceiling and we get him for more years potentially.

Hmmm, hard to say, Arnold had better players around him at OK, FSU was Msu bad. I hated losing MVB but I we are set at the QB position now.

[Commercecomet24]

Indeed. This place has really become insufferable.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BeardoMSU again.

Love ya, Bro!

[Coursesuper]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BeardoMSU again.

Love ya, Bro!

Merry Holidays to you, hope y?all are well.

[DEDawg]

Arnold would have given us a better chance to win now.

That said Kromenhoek has a higher ceiling and we get him for more years potentially.

Well considering Shapen was said to be the starter regardless then if he stays healthy we probably got the better player and fit for us. This stuff changes so much but I guess the plan is Shapen/Luke this year, Luke 2026, KT 2027.

[Todd4State]

Hmmm, hard to say, Arnold had better players around him at OK, FSU was Msu bad. I hated losing MVB but I we are set at the QB position now.

I have found that QB's that are older tend to perform better. There are exceptions.

[basedog]

I have found that QB's that are older tend to perform better. There are exceptions.

No doubt. Experience is a plus.

[parabrave]

No doubt. Experience is a plus.

And Maturity!!

[Todd4State]

Well considering Shapen was said to be the starter regardless then if he stays healthy we probably got the better player and fit for us. This stuff changes so much but I guess the plan is Shapen/Luke this year, Luke 2026, KT 2027.

Personally, if I were in Lebby's shoes I would get another upperclass QB just because of Shapen's injury history. I do think that you have their general game plan right though.

[DEDawg]

I've been watching some of LK's film... wow dude is crazy talented. I wonder if with Shapen being out in the Spring if there's any possibility LK could outright win the job

[Brobi-wan]

I've been watching some of LK's film... wow dude is crazy talented. I wonder if with Shapen being out in the Spring if there's any possibility LK could outright win the job

I watched some as well. He’s better than MVB.

[TrapGame]

I've been watching some of LK's film... wow dude is crazy talented. I wonder if with Shapen being out in the Spring if there's any possibility LK could outright win the job

Kromenhoek could be a dark horse for becoming "That Guy" next season in college football.

[Pancho]

Is KT enrolling in January?

[NCMSTFAN]

I watched some as well. He’s better than MVB.

You could be right but highlight film makes everyone look great. I personally think MVB had the highest ceiling of them all.

[parabrave]

You could be right but highlight film makes everyone look great. I personally think MVB had the highest ceiling of them all.

MVB made the right choice to go to LSU. BKs offense suits him better where he can sit back there and wait for 20 YD + pass routes to develop without getting killed/

[Pancho]

He still must improve his deep ball to play there. He won't be required to run as much either which I think he likes.

[parabrave]

He still must improve his deep ball to play there. He won't be required to run as much either which I think he likes.

His deep ball looked pretty good last year. He was dropping some dimes in on the over the shoulder passes. However his short game does need alot of work.. He has to develop his touch and learn he doesn't have to throw lazers on 8 yard curls.

[Pancho]

deep floaters cost us several yards in the egg bowl when the WR had to slow down and wait. I might ultimately be way off base but i expect MVB to get caught up in the wash at LSU and recruited over.

[Brobi-wan]

You could be right but highlight film makes everyone look great. I personally think MVB had the highest ceiling of them all.

Well it’s not just that. As far as size goes, he’s a a lot larger.

[DEDawg]

One thing I didn?t realize until I started looking at his film? he played WR and some defense in HS too. He isnt a stone feet pocket passer, he?s big and fast and should be able to fully run this offense

[NCMSTFAN]

MVB made the right choice to go to LSU. BKs offense suits him better where he can sit back there and wait for 20 YD + pass routes to develop without getting killed/

MVB dropped some deep passes right in receivers hands on a few occasions, he was just a true Freshman and had some Freshman moments but the good outweighed the bad by far. I just hope he doesn't torch us one day. In my opinion you find a way to keep a guy like that

[DEDawg]

MVB dropped some deep passes right in receivers hands on a few occasions, he was just a true Freshman and had some Freshman moments but the good outweighed the bad by far. I just hope he doesn't torch us one day. In my opinion you find a way to keep a guy like that

Well Lebby has made it pretty clear he had both JA and LK above MVB so we will see but I think we upgraded

[Pancho]

MVB and Craver both went to Lebby face to face and demanded that MVB be named the starter. Lebby knows how to handle such situations and how not to be strong armed by players and their agents.

[NCMSTFAN]

Well Lebby has made it pretty clear he had both JA and LA above MVB so we will see but I think we upgraded

He sure did and he may be right, but from my eye test and what I saw I like MVB's potential future the best. He's gone now so what I think doesn't matter, I just think Lebby should have found a way to keep him, the kid played great against top 10 teams.

[Todd4State]

He sure did and he may be right, but from my eye test and what I saw I like MVB's potential future the best. He's gone now so what I think doesn't matter, I just think Lebby should have found a way to keep him, the kid played great against top 10 teams.

I wasn't all that impressed with him. Yes he had moments but size is always going to be an issue and he struggled to complete some passes that should be relatively simple.

[Tater]

I wasn't all that impressed with him. Yes he had moments but size is always going to be an issue and he struggled to complete some passes that should be relatively simple.

In theory it's easier to teach throwing the simple passes rather than the difficult. "Can't teach arm strength" and all that, ex: Will Rogers. But some guys never put it together. A true freshman missing on slants but dropping dimes 30+ yd downfield tho... reminds of a guy: Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes never put it all together for a season until Y2 of the NFL.

[Coach34]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

[Dawgface]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

If not him…..someone else.

[TrapGame]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

Will Brian Kelly be the head coach or will they deny some more cancer treatment to some kids to fire him?

[CaptainObvious]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

Sooooo...... the status quo.

[CaptainObvious]

He sure did and he may be right, but from my eye test and what I saw I like MVB's potential future the best. He's gone now so what I think doesn't matter, I just think Lebby should have found a way to keep him, the kid played great against top 10 teams.

So by "found a way to keep him", do you mean "pay him the $1.1 million and guarantee the QB1 position? Because that was how Lebby could have kept him.

[Really Clark?]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

I think it's a better chance he's on his 3rd school by then and out of the SEC.

[Pancho]

i agree with really clark?

[Quaoarsking]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

Maybe, but Dan Mullen and Kamario Taylor will beat LSU's ass in 2027 on our way to the playoffs.

[Pancho]

whut?

[Percho]

i agree with really clark?

Me too

[Matt3467]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

I have a feeling LSU isn't his final stop.

[Todd4State]

So by "found a way to keep him", do you mean "pay him the $1.1 million and guarantee the QB1 position? Because that was how Lebby could have kept him.

To me it sounds like he did the old "I'm going to make an absurd offer and they'll either tell me to go or pay me a ton of money."

I don't think Van Buren really wanted to come back and I'm not 100% sure Lebby wanted him back either. Essentially he was being recruited over.

[basedog]

I agree, I have no inside info but it seems he didn't want to be back except for a huge pay. I hate losing him but IF any player isn't 100% in I don't want them at my school!

Things are lining up for Lebby, in saying this it's gonna take another year of signing to really get going although we will be improved, not sure we will reach .500 but I think it will be close.
It's like starting a new franchise but this is the new era.

[msu15]

I have a feeling we gonna be watching MVB beating our ass in 2026

Swing and a miss

[bulldawg28]

I agree, I have no inside info but it seems he didn't want to be back except for a huge pay. I hate losing him but IF any player isn't 100% in I don't want them at my school!

Things are lining up for Lebby, in saying this it's gonna take another year of signing to really get going although we will be improved, not sure we will reach .500 but I think it will be close.
It's like starting a new franchise but this is the new era.

Agreed, Lebby is recruiting to turn things around. Let's hope he can take the next step and coach them up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

To me it sounds like he did the old "I'm going to make an absurd offer and they'll either tell me to go or pay me a ton of money."

I don't think Van Buren really wanted to come back and I'm not 100% sure Lebby wanted him back either. Essentially he was being recruited over.

Jeff would've happily brought him back. But not for a 7 figure NIL deal or to be guaranteed to start. When we recruited this kid, it was always known BY EVERYONE that he would sit for two years and compete for the job in 26. Jeff knew he wasn't ready. He told him, his parents, his representatives, and anyone else involved with the kid this plan before he signed.

Then about midway through the season, I believe after UGA or A&M, his camp wanted to start to renegotiate things. We were receptive to that at first but by the end of the year it had ballooned to a 7 figure deal and a guarantee to start. We told him we weren't giving him that and thanked him for his time at Mississippi State.

[basedog]

Jeff would've happily brought him back. But not for a 7 figure NIL deal or to be guaranteed to start. When we recruited this kid, it was always known BY EVERYONE that he would sit for two years and compete for the job in 26. Jeff knew he wasn't ready. He told him, his parents, his representatives, and anyone else involved with the kid this plan before he signed.

Then about midway through the season, I believe after UGA or A&M, his camp wanted to start to renegotiate things. We were receptive to that at first but by the end of the year it had ballooned to a 7 figure deal and a guarantee to start. We told him we weren't giving him that and thanked him for his time at Mississippi State.

Makes sense.

[Coursesuper]

I agree, I have no inside info but it seems he didn't want to be back except for a huge pay. I hate losing him but IF any player isn't 100% in I don't want them at my school!

Things are lining up for Lebby, in saying this it's gonna take another year of signing to really get going although we will be improved, not sure we will reach .500 but I think it will be close.
It's like starting a new franchise but this is the new era.

This is a great synopsis of what the program is going through right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a great synopsis of what the program is going through right now.

And the thing is, we all told ourselves this would happen when Leach left. We knew what we would be facing when he moved on. Of course instead of easing into a rebuild with a similar concept, Arnett nuked the program. Hindsight being 20/20, maybe we needed that. It's no different than when an NBA or NFL team tanks to reset the roster. The problem is that we were not guaranteed the first pick of someone like Keelon Russell or Bryce Underwood.

[Coursesuper]

And the thing is, we all told ourselves this would happen when Leach left. We knew what we would be facing when he moved on. Of course instead of easing into a rebuild with a similar concept, Arnett nuked the program. Hindsight being 20/20, maybe we needed that. It's no different than when an NBA or NFL team tanks to reset the roster. The problem is that we were not guaranteed the first pick of someone like Keelon Russell or Bryce Underwood.
Very true, there is no helping the sport in the D1 world. It?s eat or be eaten.