Dan Mullen to UNLV

[BigDawg81]

Football Scoop is reporting that UNLV and Mullen are close to finalizing a deal to make Mullen the next head coach at UNLV.

[DEDawg]

He will do really well there. No crazy high expectations, decent recruiting base with SOCAL close, and Megan will like the area. Good for him

[Quaoarsking]

One year to rev up, and then retake the Mississippi State job in December 2025?

[Todd4State]

One year to rev up, and then retake the Mississippi State job in December 2025?

I hope not.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Very interested to see what the staff build out looks like. Does he get the band back together?

[DawgFromOxford]

I?ll be honest. I thought his college coaching days were behind him.

Question is can he pull Hevesy away from Lowe?s

[RisperDawg]

I?ll be honest. I thought his college coaching days were behind him.

Question is can he pull Hevesy away from Lowe?s

It'll be tough. I've heard HD is making a push as well. Of course, you can never count out Ace.

[KB21]

Very interested to see what the staff build out looks like. Does he get the band back together?

Curious to see if Brennan Marion follows Odom to Purdue.

[Bothrops]

Interesting shet. I'm sure somewhere in that head he toys with the idea of returning here, and then says...nah.

[TrapGame]

Question is can he pull Hevesy away from Lowe?s

You know Mullen can't croot. ***

[Really Clark?]

It'll be tough. I've heard HD is making a push as well. Of course, you can never count out Ace.

I always pictured him as a True Value kind of guy

[Cowbell]

Cousin Eddie going to Vegas....

[CaptainObvious]

I kind of figured he would eventually end up at Notre Dame. You know. To make the Movie Title by the Same Name a reality!

[starkvegasdawg]

I always pictured him as a True Value kind of guy

Harbor Freight

[MoreCowbell]

I hope not.
You are right man, we can do much better

[msudawglb]

I?ll be honest. I thought his college coaching days were behind him.

Question is can he pull Hevesy away from Lowe?s

That made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

[BeardoMSU]

Cousin Eddie going to Vegas....

https://y.yarn.co/16504667-1b7a-46af-80f7-9d418d15f8fd_text.gif

[Quaoarsking]

You are right man, we can do much better

We can?

2009 to 2017 was a hell of a lot of fun to be a State fan, and thanks to NIL and the Portal, it doesn't really matter how good of a "recruiter" a coach is anymore. His second stint here might be better than his first.

[preachermatt83]

We can?

2009 to 2017 was a hell of a lot of fun to be a State fan, and thanks to NIL and the Portal, it doesn't really matter how good of a "recruiter" a coach is anymore. His second stint here might be better than his first.

I agree. I think Lebby will ultimately succeed here but anyone who thinks we can ever do better here than what Dan accomplished year in and year out is just not being rational. He will take UNLV to bowl games

[Todd4State]

We can?

2009 to 2017 was a hell of a lot of fun to be a State fan, and thanks to NIL and the Portal, it doesn't really matter how good of a "recruiter" a coach is anymore. His second stint here might be better than his first.

1991-2001 was also a hell of a lot of fun. Thanks Jackie! Leach would have been just as good had he lived.

I actually think if anything you have to be a better recruiter now because you have to be able to sell portal transfers on your vision for the program. You certainly can't be an arrogant ass or have an OL coach that is an arrogant ass running off portal players. You have to kiss ass more than ever than before. Sure you can be an ass to a kid whose offers are EMCC, Jackson State and USM. And Dan excelled with finding those diamonds in the rough but at the same time he struggled with higher end recruits and it prevented us from putting together complete teams- which is what limited his ceiling with us IMO. I don't think you can build a team like that in the portal era.

So, it's going to be interesting to see if how he manages the portal and how he manages his team in this era. He also left MSU and Florida with teams that had major culture issues that sent both programs into disarray. I wouldn't be real excited about his offense either which is becoming dated. Hard to beat teams running the QB up the middle these days. Maybe he will evolve there too.

I'm glad that UNLV gets to find this stuff out because when MSU finds out it always seems to turn into FAFO.

[Todd4State]

I agree. I think Lebby will ultimately succeed here but anyone who thinks we can ever do better here than what Dan accomplished year in and year out is just not being rational. He will take UNLV to bowl games

I mean Barry Odom took them to bowl games. Dan would be taking over a good situation. We'll see if he can maintain it.

[MoreCowbell]

We can?

2009 to 2017 was a hell of a lot of fun to be a State fan, and thanks to NIL and the Portal, it doesn't really matter how good of a "recruiter" a coach is anymore. His second stint here might be better than his first.

I was being incredibly sarcastic

[PGHBulldogBG]

Anyone who wouldn’t take Dan back at this stage is crazy. We have been awful since he left overall and he would definitely annoy Kiffin. Even if we knew he would move on it would give us proper time to try and vet for our next coach. What he did here was pretty incredible considering we have the worst football history outside of vandy in the conference

[bulldawg28]

Come on back Dan the man! Make MSU great again!!!

[Santiago]

His evaluation of MS talent, and development was huge for us.

[Dawgface]

Anyone who wouldn’t take Dan back at this stage is crazy. We have been awful since he left overall and he would definitely annoy Kiffin. Even if we knew he would move on it would give us proper time to try and vet for our next coach. What he did here was pretty incredible considering we have the worst football history outside of vandy in the conference

Agree. But if he does well there and I think he will I doubt he would care to get back in the sec meat grinder. I still have hopes for Lebby.

[NCMSTFAN]

I'd take Mullen back in a heart beat, I'm not sure he would ever want to come back but he took our team to places we hadn't seen. We were relevant every year, we haven't seen success like that since he left. He will do well at UNLV.

[Pancho]

would he consider Fitz for his QB coach?

[cheewgumm]

Mullen is gonna make the playoff at UNLV.

We?ll be 0-16 in the SEC and our fans will still be complaining that Mullen can?t cruit.

Sigh

[Matt3467]

Mullen how us competitive and believing we can win any game on our schedule outside of Bama.

[DownwardDawg]

I agree. I think Lebby will ultimately succeed here but anyone who thinks we can ever do better here than what Dan accomplished year in and year out is just not being rational. He will take UNLV to bowl games

He was great, but he could have done so much better with a little more effort. I always wanted more, and I think there are coaches that could have given us more.
Hopefully Lebby is that person but he has a lot to prove in the next couple of seasons.

[DownwardDawg]

Mullen how us competitive and believing we can win any game on our schedule outside of Bama.

JWS had us expecting to beat Bama along with everyone else.

[Matt3467]

JWS had us expecting to beat Bama along with everyone else.

Tbf unless you go back to the days of the Bear the Bama teams during JWS's tenure aren't the same and only until very recently have they started to come back down a little.

[DownwardDawg]

His evaluation of MS talent, and development was huge for us.

It really was. He could really develop players also. But today, it's about buying players. They won't be here long enough to develop.

[DownwardDawg]

Tbf unless you go back to the days of the Bear the Bama teams during JWS's tenure aren't the same and only until very recently have they started to come back down a little.

JWS will always be my favorite MSU coach, but Mullen is a close second.
And yes, I would take Mullen back rat now.

[BrunswickDawg]

Tbf unless you go back to the days of the Bear the Bama teams during JWS's tenure aren't the same and only until very recently have they started to come back down a little.

During the Sherrill Era, Bama won the SEC West 5 times in 7 years; won the SECC Game 2 times and won a National Title. Jackie's win in '96 was over a 10-3 Bama team that finished at #11. Stallings Era Bama was as close as you could get pre-Saban to a Bear like program. Now, I'll agree that the Dubose/Fran/Shula teams were no where near what Bama normally was - so the '97, '98, and '00 wins don't hold up well.

But, the point still was we believed we had a chance every time we played.

[DownwardDawg]

During the Sherrill Era, Bama won the SEC West 5 times in 7 years; won the SECC Game 2 times and won a National Title. Jackie's win in '96 was over a 10-3 Bama team that finished at #11. Stallings Era Bama was as close as you could get pre-Saban to a Bear like program. Now, I'll agree that the Dubose/Fran/Shula teams were no where near what Bama normally was - so the '97, '98, and '00 wins don't hold up well.

But, the point still was we believed we had a chance every time we played.

People seem to forget these points.

[CaptainObvious]

I got problems with you people and now you're gonna hear about it!!

Your damn expectations for Mississippi State Football are too damn high! Slow your roll!

That is all.

[Coach34]

You are right man, we can do much better

Yeah- we've been killing it since he left

[Extendedcab]

I got problems with you people and now you're gonna hear about it!!

Your damn expectations for Mississippi State Football are too damn high! Slow your roll!

That is all.

Surely you jest!!

[bulldawg28]

I'm excited!!!!! Bring Dan back!

[ArrowDawg]

Mullen is gonna make the playoff at UNLV.

We?ll be 0-16 in the SEC and our fans will still be complaining that Mullen can?t cruit.

Sigh

This is probably accurate.

[EdwardDrayton]

Mullen to UNLV. Bizarre.

[gtowndawg]

Mullen is gonna make the playoff at UNLV.

We?ll be 0-16 in the SEC and our fans will still be complaining that Mullen can?t cruit.

Sigh

My goodness, no kidding.

[WinningIsRelentless]

would he consider Fitz for his QB coach?

No Fred walker. He was the student assistant under Mullen with Dak. He?s coaching qb?s with the raiders right now.

[1eyedog]

del

[Turfdawg67]

Come on back Dan the man! Make MSU great again!!!

We were never great. Great would've been a Natty, an SEC title, an SEC West title... hell a victory over Bama and I'm listening. His career here has been broken down ad nauseam on here... 4 non-conference pushovers plus UK & Vandy wins were his usual seasons. The sad thing, I was all for it and was a DM fan, when a lot on this board were tired of him. But all you ppl rewriting history and making him seem like the greatest coach ever have forgotten the frustrations he provided too. And don't bring up 2014 either... 1/3 of the season we were the best college team in the nation, we were very mediocre in the middle and downright pitiful at the end, losing 3 of 4. But hey, at least we were the answer to a trivia question for a while.

Explains how cults exist. Lolz

[DownwardDawg]

We were never great. Great would've been a Natty, an SEC title, an SEC West title... hell a victory over Bama and I'm listening. His career here has been broken down ad nauseam on here... 4 non-conference pushovers plus UK & Vandy wins were his unusual seasons. The sad thing, I was all for it and was a DM fan, when a lot on this board were tired of him. But all you ppl rewriting history and making him seem like the greatest coach ever have forgotten the frustrations he provided too. And don't bring up 2014 either... 1/3 of the season we were the best college team in the nation, we were very mediocre in the middle and downright pitiful at the end, losing 3 of 4. But hey, at least we were the answer to a trivia question for a while.

Explains how cults exist. Lolz

Absolute facts.

[TrapGame]

I think Dan makes a run for his old job if we part ways with Lebby in the next two years. UNLV is for knocking the rust off and learning how to deal with the current portal.

[coachnorm]

Fellow elitedoggers have stated that Dan Mullen can’t recruit and that might be accurate. Maybe fellow elitedoggers should evaluate Las Vegas first and football second.

The investors and casino owners have pumped big money into Allegiant Stadium and they own a huge sum of the seats for the NFL Raiders. The Raiders themselves do not have the seat ownership that the investors have. That is why you see so many non-Raiders at the games, big money casino spenders get the tickets.

Also Las Vegas is in the BIG THREE of high school football with the casino support of Bishop Gorman High School. Probably big tax write offs for donations? Only Mater Dei and St John Bosco of Los Angeles have beaten Bishop Gorman in a long time. Because of available money these are the BIG THREE.

Now back to Allegiant Stadium and the investors and client problem. There are only so many seats for Raider games and clients have to be made happy and an upgraded UNLV program could be the investors and casinos solution. Once these entities develop a business plan to relieve this problem, NIL will explode and recruitment will be SECOND priority, so Mullen will ascend to a NIL manager instead of a standard college football recruiter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xez-oSH9oM

Timeline on video 4:40

[Bothrops]

I think Dan makes a run for his old job if we part ways with Lebby in the next two years. UNLV is for knocking the rust off and learning how to deal with the current portal.

Yeah I'm gonna wait until he tears up the Mountain West before I even think about him coming back here with the current failure of college football in operation.

[coachnorm]

Yeah I'm gonna wait until he tears up the Mountain West before I even think about him coming back here with the current failure of college football in operation.

The name of the game is to get superior assets and the method in 2024 is NIL. If the investors and casinos choose to arm Mullen with superior firepower, Mullen will succeed.

If the investors and casinos want to use UNLV as a tool to speed up a return on investment on Allegiant Stadium, they will provide call girls to sweeten up the offers? Remember, it is legal out there. Four and five star prospects could arrive and get paid real fast with quick money with benefits.

How do you measure someone’s success based on past experiences when he did not have the future firepower coming his way? Under this scenario an above average head coach can vanquish an upper tiered elite head coach?

[SpaceBully]

You are right man, we can do much better

Only coaching hires in MSU history that made me say "Wow" was King Jackie and The Pirate. Getting Bob Tyler was close, but he was only an assistant (although a good one) from Ole Miss.

[Political Hack]

Fellow elitedoggers have stated that Dan Mullen can’t recruit and that might be accurate. Maybe fellow elitedoggers should evaluate Las Vegas first and football second.

The investors and casino owners have pumped big money into Allegiant Stadium and they own a huge sum of the seats for the NFL Raiders. The Raiders themselves do not have the seat ownership that the investors have. That is why you see so many non-Raiders at the games, big money casino spenders get the tickets.

Also Las Vegas is in the BIG THREE of high school football with the casino support of Bishop Gorman High School. Probably big tax write offs for donations? Only Mater Dei and St John Bosco of Los Angeles have beaten Bishop Gorman in a long time. Because of available money these are the BIG THREE.

Now back to Allegiant Stadium and the investors and client problem. There are only so many seats for Raider games and clients have to be made happy and an upgraded UNLV program could be the investors and casinos solution. Once these entities develop a business plan to relieve this problem, NIL will explode and recruitment will be SECOND priority, so Mullen will ascend to a NIL manager instead of a standard college football recruiter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xez-oSH9oM

Timeline on video 4:40

Investors are buying the team by buying the talent... some big time investors are about to be "owners" because they'll have the majority of, or the entire team, under contract. This is happening with multiple teams right now. Vegas would be ripe for that.

[MoreCowbell]

Yeah- we've been killing it since he left

Dude I was being incredibly sarcastic I thought it was obvious

[Todd4State]

We were never great. Great would've been a Natty, an SEC title, an SEC West title... hell a victory over Bama and I'm listening. His career here has been broken down ad nauseam on here... 4 non-conference pushovers plus UK & Vandy wins were his usual seasons. The sad thing, I was all for it and was a DM fan, when a lot on this board were tired of him. But all you ppl rewriting history and making him seem like the greatest coach ever have forgotten the frustrations he provided too. And don't bring up 2014 either... 1/3 of the season we were the best college team in the nation, we were very mediocre in the middle and downright pitiful at the end, losing 3 of 4. But hey, at least we were the answer to a trivia question for a while.

Explains how cults exist. Lolz

Thank you! Those of us who lived through Jackie- to me that was the best era for MSU football. Dan really only had two seasons that really matched up to 1998-1999 and that was 2010 and 2014. Jackie had pretty memorable years in 1991 and 1994 as well.

Being number 1 in the country was great but that team ultimately didn't finish the job and lost to MSU's two biggest rivals.

My biggest issue with Dan was him constantly job hunting and totally neglecting MSU while he was doing it- which resulted in him not getting the job he wanted until he finally got the Florida job.

So Dan was good but not really worth the pedestal many fans put him on. Heck- Mike Leach was here a third of the time Dan was and had almost as many memorable moments as Dan.

Now that I have said that I will say this:

I am really glad that Dan got the UNLV job. Because now we get to see how he can navigate the portal era. Personally, I don't think he is going to do well with it unless failing at Florida humbled him. The reality is he had the same issues at Florida as he had at MSU. And basically ended up having basically the same results once McElwain's recruits left. Recruiting was an issue with him. Yes, his development helped offset that some. But it still resulted in a ceiling that he couldn't really break through here as well. What would the 2017 team had been with AJ Brown? That was the type of player he would miss on consistently. His recruiting woes created an image that MSU still struggles with today and he was part of that. But we're about to find out if he is better at that.

Also- will he bring back Hevesy? What will his staff look like there? Does he keep Brennan Marion as OC which would be a much different offense and basically make Dan a CEO coach? Will he crawfish when they play Boise State? Will he immediately begin job hunting again? The great news is UNLV gets to figure this out and not MSU. At least if he did come back to MSU Saban is gone from Alabama so maybe he can finally beat them.

Now IF he shows that he can improve in those areas I mentioned above and decides to run an offense that doesn't involve the QB running it 20-25 times a game then MAYBE you could talk me into being open about bringing him back. Odds are bringing him back would be a massive mistake though.

[AROB44]

Thank you! Those of us who lived through Jackie- to me that was the best era for MSU football. Dan really only had two seasons that really matched up to 1998-1999 and that was 2010 and 2014. Jackie had pretty memorable years in 1991 and 1994 as well.

Being number 1 in the country was great but that team ultimately didn't finish the job and lost to MSU's two biggest rivals.

My biggest issue with Dan was him constantly job hunting and totally neglecting MSU while he was doing it- which resulted in him not getting the job he wanted until he finally got the Florida job.

So Dan was good but not really worth the pedestal many fans put him on. Heck- Mike Leach was here a third of the time Dan was and had almost as many memorable moments as Dan.

Now that I have said that I will say this:

I am really glad that Dan got the UNLV job. Because now we get to see how he can navigate the portal era. Personally, I don't think he is going to do well with it unless failing at Florida humbled him. The reality is he had the same issues at Florida as he had at MSU. And basically ended up having basically the same results once McElwain's recruits left. Recruiting was an issue with him. Yes, his development helped offset that some. But it still resulted in a ceiling that he couldn't really break through here as well. What would the 2017 team had been with AJ Brown? That was the type of player he would miss on consistently. His recruiting woes created an image that MSU still struggles with today and he was part of that. But we're about to find out if he is better at that.

Also- will he bring back Hevesy? What will his staff look like there? Does he keep Brennan Marion as OC which would be a much different offense and basically make Dan a CEO coach? Will he crawfish when they play Boise State? Will he immediately begin job hunting again? The great news is UNLV gets to figure this out and not MSU. At least if he did come back to MSU Saban is gone from Alabama so maybe he can finally beat them.

Now IF he shows that he can improve in those areas I mentioned above and decides to run an offense that doesn't involve the QB running it 20-25 times a game then MAYBE you could talk me into being open about bringing him back. Odds are bringing him back would be a massive mistake though.

I think everyone gets it......you have a big dislike for DM and that's not going to change. I, personally, am glad that we had him. He and JWS were the best coaches in my lifetime and I've been a fan since the early sixties. We will never be that good again. You seem to forget that JWS was also looking for another job while he was here.....Pitt and Bama.

[Dawgface]

I think everyone gets it......you have a big dislike for DM and that's not going to change. I, personally, am glad that we had him. He and JWS were the best coaches in my lifetime and I've been a fan since the early sixties. We will never be that good again. You seem to forget that JWS was also looking for another job while he was here.....Pitt and Bama.

Very true. I would take him in a heart beat but it probably won’t happen. I’m close to the twilight of my life so it is discouraging to know I probably won’t see another era close to what we saw under Mullen.

[Todd4State]

I think everyone gets it......you have a big dislike for DM and that's not going to change. I, personally, am glad that we had him. He and JWS were the best coaches in my lifetime and I've been a fan since the early sixties. We will never be that good again. You seem to forget that JWS was also looking for another job while he was here.....Pitt and Bama.

Big difference is when Jackie was looking at other jobs he didn't neglect the job he had at MSU. In fact, he absolutely destroyed Alabama in 2000 when they were looking at him on the field. As I said- there is a right and a wrong way to look for jobs. Dan did it wrong. Jackie did it right.

"We will never be that good again"- bullshit. Leach won 9 games. We can find a coach that can win like Dan. But the way to find them isn't to keep making stupid moronic decisions like hiring Zach Arnett and hiring first year coaches and give them a learning curve in the SEC.

It's actually really sad that our fans consider Dan to be the best because he really wasn't THAT good.

[bulldawg28]

Big difference is when Jackie was looking at other jobs he didn't neglect the job he had at MSU. In fact, he absolutely destroyed Alabama in 2000 when they were looking at him on the field. As I said- there is a right and a wrong way to look for jobs. Dan did it wrong. Jackie did it right.

"We will never be that good again"- bullshit. Leach won 9 games. We can find a coach that can win like Dan. But the way to find them isn't to keep making stupid moronic decisions like hiring Zach Arnett and hiring first year coaches and give them a learning curve in the SEC.

It's actually really sad that our fans consider Dan to be the best because he really wasn't THAT good.

No we cannot find a coach that wins like Dan. History has proven that. Wasn't that good? Are you drunk? Dan took is from Vanderbilt to national prominence. The team is now on life support hoping to win a game.

[bulldawg28]

We were never great. Great would've been a Natty, an SEC title, an SEC West title... hell a victory over Bama and I'm listening. His career here has been broken down ad nauseam on here... 4 non-conference pushovers plus UK & Vandy wins were his usual seasons. The sad thing, I was all for it and was a DM fan, when a lot on this board were tired of him. But all you ppl rewriting history and making him seem like the greatest coach ever have forgotten the frustrations he provided too. And don't bring up 2014 either... 1/3 of the season we were the best college team in the nation, we were very mediocre in the middle and downright pitiful at the end, losing 3 of 4. But hey, at least we were the answer to a trivia question for a while.

Explains how cults exist. Lolz

You smoking Crack? We were Vanderbilt. Dan made us relevant. Longest bowl steak in the HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM. He recruited, developed, and gave us our BEST PLAYERS EVER. We have national recognition and free advertising in the NFL every Sunday because of Mullen.
The world respects MSU because of Mullen. Love it or hate it he's our Jesus Christ ����! Sent to save us! LOL.
If West Virginia can do it, so can we.

#BRINGDANBACK

[cheewgumm]

Mullen is one of the best evaluators of talent that there is.

That is why he turns 3 stars into 5 stars. It?s not luck.

This would be more Valuable than Gold right now. Our fans don?t see this for some reason.

Saying he can?t recruit when you line up the players he had is silly, at Best.

But if you say he can?t evaluate talent I have to question your judgement.

[Pancho]

^^^^^^

[Turfdawg67]

You smoking Crack? We were Vanderbilt. Dan made us relevant. Longest bowl steak in the HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM. He recruited, developed, and gave us our BEST PLAYERS EVER. We have national recognition and free advertising in the NFL every Sunday because of Mullen.
The world respects MSU because of Mullen. Love it or hate it he's our Jesus Christ ����! Sent to save us! LOL.
If West Virginia can do it, so can we.

#BRINGDANBACK

Good thing they doubled the number of bowl games and let one of our 5-7 teams in. Sherrill missed back to back bowl opportunities at 7-4. Also like an abused spouse, you forget all the bad, like shopping for a new job every November instead of preparing for the Egg Bowl. He hated it here and would never come back. Hell, he wanted the Maryland job over ours.

#MullenCult

ETA... Hey, post #5000! Or what MS7 calls just another weekend. Lolz

[bulldawg28]

Good thing they doubled the number of bowl games and let one of our 5-7 teams in. Sherrill missed back to back bowl opportunities at 7-4. Also like an abused spouse, you forget all the bad, like shopping for a new job every November instead of preparing for the Egg Bowl. He hated it here and would never come back. Hell, he wanted the Maryland job over ours.

#MullenCult

You live you learn. Rich Rod did the same now he's back. Petrino's doing it at Arkansas. Bring back Mullen. If Lebby doesn't turn it around quickly the Mullen cult is going to get louder.

[Turfdawg67]

Like I said earlier, I was a DM defender. People were tiring of his shtick and consistent 6-8 wins... saying he had 6 wins practically built into the schedule. I wasn't one of those fans because you still had to win those "gimmies" and I had lived through Felker, the end of Sherrill and Croom. I was fine with 6-8 wins and having a decent chance to win most Saturdays.

If that's what you desire too, that's fine. Don't expect anymore than that. And after a few years of that and some head scratching loses and no titles... ppl will go back thinking we can do better and want someone who doesn't run a 165lb back up the middle 12 times a game.

[bulldawg28]

Like I said earlier, I was a DM defender. People were tiring of his shtick and consistent 6-8 wins... saying he had 6 wins practically built into the schedule. I wasn't one of those fans because you still had to win those "gimmies" and I had lived through Felker, the end of Sherrill and Croom. I was fine with 6-8 wins and having a decent chance to win most Saturdays.

If that's what you desire too, that's fine. Don't expect anymore than that. And after a few years of that and some head scratching loses and no titles... ppl will go back thinking we can do better and want someone who doesn't run a 165lb back up the middle 12 times a game.

My oldest brother player under Felker, and Sherill so I know terrible football is our history. I know Mullen is the best thing that happened to MSU

[Pancho]

i agree and man, what would it be like to be able to have a 6-8 win teams the nest several years..............

[Todd4State]

Mullen is one of the best evaluators of talent that there is.

That is why he turns 3 stars into 5 stars. It?s not luck.

This would be more Valuable than Gold right now. Our fans don?t see this for some reason.

Saying he can?t recruit when you line up the players he had is silly, at Best.

But if you say he can?t evaluate talent I have to question your judgement.

The issue is in this era he would have to kiss ass more than ever.

You only see what he brought in. You don't see what he missed on and how that could have raised the ceiling for our program under his tenure.

He really didn't do anything that Tyler, Bellard, Jackie, or Leach did.

[Todd4State]

Like I said earlier, I was a DM defender. People were tiring of his shtick and consistent 6-8 wins... saying he had 6 wins practically built into the schedule. I wasn't one of those fans because you still had to win those "gimmies" and I had lived through Felker, the end of Sherrill and Croom. I was fine with 6-8 wins and having a decent chance to win most Saturdays.

If that's what you desire too, that's fine. Don't expect anymore than that. And after a few years of that and some head scratching loses and no titles... ppl will go back thinking we can do better and want someone who doesn't run a 165lb back up the middle 12 times a game.

If you look at Mack Brown and Bill Snyder who left and then came back to programs they used to coach they really didn't do much better than they did the first time and actually did slightly worse.

If we bring Dan back that's probably what's going to happen. We'll see what happens with Rich Rod but I kind of suspect the same thing will happen there too.

And given the culture issues of MSU and Florida after Dan left that is a concern as well.

I think MSU needs an experienced coach like a Ryan Silverfield at Memphis. Someone that has taken a G5 program into the top 25 and has beaten some P4 teams and has a consistent track record and someone that can recruit. Jon Sumrall might be good too.