MVB to enter portal

[basedog]

Says he is exploring the portal.

I suppose it?s up to what Arnold decides.

[Coach34]

He's been talking to Auburn and some others already

[Bothrops]

What's the feeling on Arnold this hour?

[basedog]

He's been talking to Auburn and some others already

25K just to visit Auburn. I’d take trip. There is no loyalty to any college team any longer.

[KOdawg1]

The boats have been burned. Gotta land Arnold

[basedog]

Seems Arnold was and has been Lebby’s choice. I hate to see MVB go and wish him all the best. I think with Arnold and Shapen we are in good shape at QB plus having not to rush Taylor is a big plus.

[ZedFedder]

This is just the era we are in. I hate to see MVB go as well. He competed and gave it his all. He will end up being really good somewhere, but I think Arnold can be better.

[Apoplectic]

and this is why I didn?t watch a full game this year and may not watch one next year either

[Todd4State]

and this is why I didn?t watch a full game this year and may not watch one next year either

If we pull this portal haul off- remains to be seen I know- our team could be a LOT better next year.

Give me this over a gradual slow rebuild to the Liberty Bowl over four years like we saw with Croom and Dan his first two years as head coach where it took us seven years to go from 2-10 in 2003 to 9-4 in 2010.

This may not work for us next year but hell- at least there is a chance it might.

[NCMSTFAN]

I hate to see this and hate that this is what College sports has become. I was rooting for MVB and was hoping we could find a way to keep him, I think he has the most upside of them all.

[Ranchdawg]

Adieu, Adi?s, goodbye! If the rumors of how much MVB wanted are true then let somebody else pay it. Because we have so many needs that we are going to have to pay a lot of $$’s on. Probably will have to pay players a bit more just to convince them to come to Starkville.

[TheLostDawg]

Adieu, Adi?s, goodbye! If the rumors of how much MVB wanted are true then let somebody else pay it. Because we have so many needs that we are going to have to pay a lot of $$’s on. Probably will have to pay players a bit more just to convince them to come to Starkville.

In the short term overpaying is worth it. Get a better football team. Bring money to the town. Then Starkville needs to do a lot like Oxford and put money into advertising the town. Then it gets easier to recruit

[Brobi-wan]

In the short term overpaying is worth it. Get a better football team. Bring money to the town. Then Starkville needs to do a lot like Oxford and put money into advertising the town. Then it gets easier to recruit

Maybe the city of Starkville should contribute to the NIL fund lmao. Having 80k people in town on game day sure makes a lot more cash than 35k

[basedog]

Seems the rumor of asking $1.5 million may be true on both Arnold and MVB.

[Coach34]

Seems the rumor of asking $1.5 million may be true on both Arnold and MVB.

hearing 1.0-1.5

[Duckdog]

Adios MVB don't let the door hit ya

[maroonmania]

All I can say is now we better not miss on Arnold. We are in bad shape if we have to rely on Shapen the glass man.

[basedog]

hearing 1.0-1.5

I think the cost has gotten as high as 1.5, Amazing. I also was told our NIL is up to 18.5 million.

[Pancho]

would lebby go with the 1.5M for mvb if arnold goes elsewhere?

[HoopsDawg]

I think the cost has gotten as high as 1.5, Amazing. I also was told our NIL is up to 18.5 million.

1.5 million sounds right for a starting SEC QB.

If we have 18.5 million there's no excuse to not field an extremely competitive team if we have intelligent decision makers. I would focus the majority on 1 QB, 2 Edge guys, 2 interior DT's, 1 difference maker at WR, 1 lockdown corner and 2 OL starters. That's 9 guys. Do the math. I realize we have to add some depth to the roster, but I would pay big for those 9 spots.

[confucius say]

If we have 18.5 million there's no excuse to not field an extremely competitive team if we have intelligent decision makers. I would focus the majority on 1 QB, 2 Edge guys, 2 interior DT's, 1 difference maker at WR, 1 lockdown corner and 2 OL starters. That's 9 guys. Do the math. I realize we have to add some depth to the roster, but I would pay big for those 9 spots.

We're not a planning on spending 18 million.
More like 12-14. If we can attract players worth that.

[Really Clark?]

would lebby go with the 1.5M for mvb if arnold goes elsewhere?

No he wouldn't

[basedog]

We're not a planning on spending 18 million.
More like 12-14. If we can attract players worth that.

I agree, I was just saying how much we have raised. It's an on going thing.

[DEDawg]

We're not a planning on spending 18 million.
More like 12-14. If we can attract players worth that.

This makes sense. We only need to spend enough to secure JA and enough defensive pieces to get us 6-6 next year. Rolling that money into 2026/2027 to go all in is smart

[Coach34]

Not all NIL money goes to football. We have other sports

[confucius say]

Not all NIL money goes to football. We have other sports

This is true. Once the 21 million from rev share starts, my understanding is about 14 million of that will be football.

[HancockCountyDog]

Does anyone think that MVB ends up at a top 25 school? I just don't see it.

This feels like Maryland or some other type of mid to lower-tier P4 program.

[EdwardDrayton]

Adieu, Adi?s, goodbye! If the rumors of how much MVB wanted are true then let somebody else pay it. Because we have so many needs that we are going to have to pay a lot of $$?s on. Probably will have to pay players a bit more just to convince them to come to Starkville.

We have to pay players enough that makes them forget WHERE they will be playing.

[HoopsDawg]

We're not a planning on spending 18 million.
More like 12-14. If we can attract players worth that.

I'm just talking about focusing most of the NIL Football money to those 9 spots. Not trying to get into the weeds of the exact dollar amounts. I understand a certain amount has to be spent on retention and roster depth, but no need to try and buy 60-85 players. That doesn't move the needle.

[HoopsDawg]

Does anyone think that MVB ends up at a top 25 school? I just don't see it.

This feels like Maryland or some other type of mid to lower-tier P4 program.

same. maybe a SMU or a NC State type place. Not sure if he starts at a P4 next year.

[Pancho]

gotta try and keep coleman now

[Brobi-wan]

gotta try and keep coleman now

Well, I have some bad news for you.

[NCMSTFAN]

same. maybe a SMU or a NC State type place. Not sure if he starts at a P4 next year.

I'm a little higher on MVB than most seem to be. I think he can start at alot of P4 schools. How many true Freshman have we seen at State as good as he was? He made mistakes but he also made some really good plays for us.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm a little higher on MVB than most seem to be. I think he can start at alot of P4 schools. How many true Freshman have we seen at State as good as he was? He made mistakes but he also made some really good plays for us.

He did well for a true freshman considering our schedule. I think his accuracy and ball placement will have to improve. I wish him well.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm a little higher on MVB than most seem to be. I think he can start at alot of P4 schools. How many true Freshman have we seen at State as good as he was? He made mistakes but he also made some really good plays for us.

I think Arnold vs. MVB is much closer than people want to admit, myself included. I think Arnold is better, but its close. It wouldn't surprise me to see MVB ball out next year, it would also not surprise me if he ends up a backup QB at some mid-tier P4 program.

[basedog]

Coleman to the portal. Gulp.

[starkvegasdawg]

Coleman to the portal. Gulp.

Last one out turn off the lights.

[parabrave]

He did well for a true freshman considering our schedule. I think his accuracy and ball placement will have to improve. I wish him well.

I would like to see him with a competent QB coach because I don't think he got any here. He didn't improve on his short game or on his decision making process. Hell none of our QBs did. Part of that is being a true freshman and not having a good offensive line. His reads never got better either. But he could zing a dam ball 40 yards down the field and hit a guy in stride or put it over his shoulder.

[NCMSTFAN]

I think Arnold vs. MVB is much closer than people want to admit, myself included. I think Arnold is better, but its close. It wouldn't surprise me to see MVB ball out next year, it would also not surprise me if he ends up a backup QB at some mid-tier P4 program.
Yea I've watched Arnold's highlights and they look really good, but all highlight film looks good, I haven't seen him in true game film to know enough. He was a five star so that's a plus. I personally saw enough of MVB to want to keep him over the other guys but Lebby must see different of they are both asking the same price.

I see MVB having a really good year somewhere next year, he played really well against some top teams this season, just my opinion though.

[NCMSTFAN]

Last one out turn off the lights.

I hear you but damn, we can't lose ALL of what little talent we had.. I understand College sports is basically a free for all right now but we have to find a way to keep some talent. Rebuilding in football every single year is alot tougher than a sport like basketball.

[RezDog7]

Last one out turn off the lights.

They're not LED so they will just burn themselves out.

[Coach34]

Coleman to the portal. Gulp.

I said this after the Egg Bowl. Anybody thinking he was staying was kidding themselves

[Pancho]

Mizzou is the early word on Coleman right now

[Bothrops]

Coleman to the portal. Gulp.

Only Mississippi State can lose its most valuable player. This place is a joke.

[Pancho]

he was supposed to be sewn up and kept. Any idea what he raised his dollar amount to?

[Apoplectic]

17 them all

[Brobi-wan]

he was supposed to be sewn up and kept. Any idea what he raised his dollar amount to?

He’s from MO. Wants to be closer to home is the speculation.

[Bothrops]

He’s from MO. Wants to be closer to home is the speculation.

Which is mostly bullshit

[HoopsDawg]

He’s from MO. Wants to be closer to home is the speculation.

Sure.

[Pancho]

$$$

[msstate7]

$$$

Supposedly we outbid them.

[HoopsDawg]

Supposedly we outbid them.

I heard they matched us. Or we matched them. Either way, I doubt we outbid them by much

[Offshore Dawg]

Based on what I have been reading a school needs to spend at least $10,000,000 per year on the purchase of mercenaries, or don't even bother trying to field a football team.

[Apoplectic]

Based on what I have been reading a school needs to spend at least $10,000,000 per year on the purchase of mercenaries, or don't even bother trying to field a football team.

what?s the ROR?

[starkvegasdawg]

Based on what I have been reading a school needs to spend at least $10,000,000 per year on the purchase of mercenaries, or don't even bother trying to field a football team.

People aren't going to continue to do this just to field a team and go 6-6 to 8-4. They're going to say 17 it and find other ways to spend their time and money and only the fans of the 5-7 teams that have a realistic shot of winning it all will keep pouring money into it.

[basedog]

People aren't going to continue to do this just to field a team and go 6-6 to 8-4. They're going to say 17 it and find other ways to spend their time and money and only the fans of the 5-7 teams that have a realistic shot of winning it all will keep pouring money into it.

I was talking to someone today bout what u said. It’s gonna drive the average fan way, hell I can’t name players on our team. I use to know the lineup and there backups. I’ve lost lots of interest in college football. It’s really sad to me, but I will always love MSU. Just saying.

[Bothrops]

Based on what I have been reading a school needs to spend at least $10,000,000 per year on the purchase of mercenaries, or don't even bother trying to field a football team.

I bet more money goes to player retention than player acquisition. I mean you'd have a hard time dreaming up a dumber system than this.

[Bothrops]

People aren't going to continue to do this just to field a team and go 6-6 to 8-4.

6-6 to 8-4? Lol. Romanticizing the Liberty Bowl experience is going to become highly coveted around here with the way things are geared right now.

[TheLostDawg]

I was talking to someone today bout what u said. It’s gonna drive the average fan way, hell I can’t name players on our team. I use to know the lineup and there backups. I’ve lost lots of interest in college football. It’s really sad to me, but I will always love MSU. Just saying.

I'm right there with you.

[Coach34]

I was talking to someone today bout what u said. It’s gonna drive the average fan way, hell I can’t name players on our team. I use to know the lineup and there backups. I’ve lost lots of interest in college football. It’s really sad to me, but I will always love MSU. Just saying.

Yep. I really dont care about football anymore. I keep up with college football for gambling reasons now. Thats it.

I semi care about basketball. Its just as bad- just alot fewer players which helps stomach it a little.

I still care about baseball because it hasnt infiltrated as bad- but it wont be long.

If I couldnt gamble on college sports- I probably wouldnt watch at this point. There's not much buy-in or fandom at this point. If they dont have it- why should I? Every game is just an all-star team of various guys now

[Apoplectic]

I'm right there with you.

ditto - started in 2024

[msstate7]

Yep. I really dont care about football anymore. I keep up with college football for gambling reasons now. Thats it.

I semi care about basketball. Its just as bad- just alot fewer players which helps stomach it a little.

I still care about baseball because it hasnt infiltrated as bad- but it wont be long.

If I couldnt gamble on college sports- I probably wouldnt watch at this point. There's not much buy-in or fandom at this point. If they dont have it- why should I? Every game is just an all-star team of various guys now

We could start the fixing it process by not watching at all.

[Apoplectic]

6-6 to 8-4? Lol. Romanticizing the Liberty Bowl experience is going to become highly coveted around here with the way things are geared right now.

in a few years there won?t be a liberty bowl - they have killed this great celebration of team sport

[HoopsDawg]

We could start the fixing it process by not watching at all.

I don't go anymore but I can't help but watch. It's still better than the NBA or any of the other crap on TV.

[msugolf]

We could start the fixing it process by not watching at all.

Unfortunately tv ratings are through the roof so it looks like it is here to stay. However the bubble will burst at some point. Donors will tire of giving millions every year for products that have no ROI and realize the gain is not worth the risk. I can see that within 10 years. Then maybe there will be change

[TheLostDawg]

I don't go anymore but I can't help but watch. It's still better than the NBA or any of the other crap on TV.

Well I still have my tickets but can't even sell them. I usually attend almost all the games except when we play teams like Alcorn. As base mentioned it's hard to even keep up with the starters now. I was like him and knew the first and second string plus a few extra. I'm sure much of that is from doing poor the past couple years but I've really lost interest. I'll keep my seats to help support but I couldn't even give them away on many games this year

[msstate7]

I don't go anymore but I can't help but watch. It's still better than the NBA or any of the other crap on TV.

I watch the grizzlies every game, but I can't watch random nba games

[confucius say]

what?s the ROR?

Depends on your program. Really good for some. Really bad for others.

[confucius say]

We could start the fixing it process by not watching at all.

Ratings are at an all time high.

[confucius say]

Rev share, caps, and multi year contracts will fix a lot of the problems. That's where it's headed.

[Matt3467]

NILs bubble will burst eventually. I'm not sure when but I can see a few things happening such as schools like us either not fielding a football team or dropping to a lower division where it's not really a thing. I could see the blue bloods forming their own "Super League" of sorts. Of course I also could see where it all completely collapses.

[Matt3467]

I was talking to someone today bout what u said. It?s gonna drive the average fan way, hell I can?t name players on our team. I use to know the lineup and there backups. I?ve lost lots of interest in college football. It?s really sad to me, but I will always love MSU. Just saying.

This year was really hard to get into and that's with my interest already going downhill from all the turnover, NIL, politics, etc. I can see every year us having to rebuild nearly the whole team and re-recruit our recruits. As an example, I know people are really high on Kamario and believe he's here for the long haul but imagine the reaction of the board when in a year or two he's in the portal. This isn't fun anymore.

[msstate7]

Ratings are at an all time high.

Which is crazy to me bc I'm at an all time low. Obviously I don't reflect the public

[HancockCountyDog]

Based on what I have been reading a school needs to spend at least $10,000,000 per year on the purchase of mercenaries, or don't even bother trying to field a football team.

We spent over 5 million last year to go 2-10.

[Coach34]

Ratings are at an all time high.

part of that is because people are slowly but surely stopping attending games in person. Much easier to just watch on TV now.

[parabrave]

Rev share, caps, and multi year contracts will fix a lot of the problems. That's where it's headed.

And limiting transfers will solve alot of the Chaos.

[Coach34]

And limiting transfers will solve alot of the Chaos.

They did that remember? It was a one-time transfer. Then the courts overturned that

[Extendedcab]

Which is crazy to me bc I'm at an all time low. Obviously I don't reflect the public

I am right there with you Msstate7! I rarely watch any sports on TV anymore, MSU being the exception but my interest is even waining there as well (I hate to say it)!

[msstate7]

We spent over 5 million last year to go 2-10.
Then either spend 12 or 2 million

[Matt3467]

I am right there with you Msstate7! I rarely watch any sports on TV anymore, MSU being the exception but my interest is even waining there as well (I hate to say it)!

Yea there were days I forgot we were playing!

[parabrave]

Yea there were days I forgot we were playing!

The only game that people will have circled next year will be the Texas game and the stadium might be Harvard and Crimson with all the OM Peeps buying the tickets to yell at Arch.

[DawgFromOxford]

Which is crazy to me bc I'm at an all time low. Obviously I don't reflect the public

I?m guessing it has more to do with parity in the game now. You have schools like Boise State, Indiana, SMU who are in the hunt for a national championship. It?s no longer a foregone conclusion that Alabama is going to play someone like OSU for the championship every year.

Mix that in with legalized gambling available almost everywhere now where people will tune into games they would?ve otherwise never had second thoughts about.

[parabrave]

I?m guessing it has more to do with parity in the game now. You have schools like Boise State, Indiana, SMU who are in the hunt for a national championship. It?s no longer a foregone conclusion that Alabama is going to play someone like OSU for the championship every year.

Mix that in with legalized gambling available almost everywhere now where people will tune into games they would?ve otherwise never had second thoughts about.

SMU and the other mentioned schools still play a 60+ Strength of Schedule also. SMU was at 75 before a e loss Clemson took it to them in the Championship. The CFP was to take the top 12 teams not the top conf champs and the runner ups. No matter how much you B & C about the old way they almost always got it right.

[War Machine Dawg]

I hear you but damn, we can't lose ALL of what little talent we had.. I understand College sports is basically a free for all right now but we have to find a way to keep some talent. Rebuilding in football every single year is alot tougher than a sport like basketball.

College football is dead. As long as the Portal exists and NIL remains an unregulated Wild West, we're going to be a perennial 2-10 doormat. We're in an era that's going to be worse for us than the Bad Old Days. At least then we could win 4 or 5 games and be competitive in most games.

The NFL is a better product than college football now. Teams get compensated when players leave. They don't have to renegotiate with these nut cases every year. They don't attempt to leverage your loyalty to the university against you and ask you to pay even more for everything including the players. They're open about it ultimately being a business.

Players always said that scholarships were just for one year to justify getting the Portal and de facto free agency. And while that was technically true, how often did you see schools terminate scholarships year to year? Virtually never. The only one who really did was Saban and Bama by abusing the medical exemption process. Even the biggest busts at other schools would keep their scholarships. We could go through a whole list of State players alone that are in that category.

I never thought I'd be apathetic about college football, but that's exactly where I am now. It sucks. Until there's real reform and regulation, I don't see a way for us to ever be competitive again. The NCAA had the perfect product and completely ruined it.

[parabrave]

College football is dead. As long as the Portal exists and NIL remains an unregulated Wild West, we're going to be a perennial 2-10 doormat. We're in an era that's going to be worse for us than the Bad Old Days. At least then we could win 4 or 5 games and be competitive in most games.

The NFL is a better product than college football now. Teams get compensated when players leave. They don't have to renegotiate with these nut cases every year. They don't attempt to leverage your loyalty to the university against you and ask you to pay even more for everything including the players. They're open about it ultimately being a business.

Players always said that scholarships were just for one year to justify getting the Portal and de facto free agency. And while that was technically true, how often did you see schools terminate scholarships year to year? Virtually never. The only one who really did was Saban and Bama by abusing the medical exemption process. Even the biggest busts at other schools would keep their scholarships. We could go through a whole list of State players alone that are in that category.

I never thought I'd be apathetic about college football, but that's exactly where I am now. It sucks. Until there's real reform and regulation, I don't see a way for us to ever be competitive again. The NCAA had the perfect product and completely ruined it.

and it's still gonna cost over 15 mil to be that bad. Hadad and Cross expounded on one of the biggest reasons for the rate hikes in being that these kids agents and they are agents are unregulated like the NFL agents, who are limited to what they receive, and other items. It was a pretty good segment Wednesday afternoon and covered how the NCAA screwed up at the beginning which led to the players lawsuit. Also a major problem which is expounding the rise in the cost of a player is the overpayaing of QBs because every coach is scared of not getting the next Joe Burrow. You had better believe these kids know what is being offered to their competitors and bring that into negotiations. It's only gonna stop when the coaches get together and stand firm in telling these prima donnas to pound sand.
And when the big donors star getting tired of being harrassed every year into giving your fair share and start saying F it and give that money to parts of the schools which will actually make a difference in the world.

[R2Dawg]

and it's still gonna cost over 15 mil to be that bad. Hadad and Cross expounded on one of the biggest reasons for the rate hikes in being that these kids agents and they are agents are unregulated like the NFL agents, who are limited to what they receive, and other items. It was a pretty good segment Wednesday afternoon and covered how the NCAA screwed up at the beginning which led to the players lawsuit. Also a major problem which is expounding the rise in the cost of a player is the overpayaing of QBs because every coach is scared of not getting the next Joe Burrow. You had better believe these kids know what is being offered to their competitors and bring that into negotiations. It's only gonna stop when the coaches get together and stand firm in telling these prima donnas to pound sand.
And when the big donors star getting tired of being harrassed every year into giving your fair share and start saying F it and give that money to parts of the schools which will actually make a difference in the world.

At some level, this is going to happen soon. They ain't getting all the money from the ave fan.

[parabrave]

At some level, this is going to happen soon. They ain't getting all the money from the ave fan.

It's already started. Heck one of our posters here on ED has stated that his group which has given over 6 figures has talked about switching over to giving it to the academic side of the University.

[SPMT]

It's already started. Heck one of our posters here on ED has stated that his group which has given over 6 figures has talked about switching over to giving it to the academic side of the University.

It doesn?t matter what we do. If the giants don?t do it, we won?t matter.

[starkvegasdawg]

Pandora's box has been opened and can never be closed. The money can never be capped again. If they try it will just go back to being under the table like before. The only thing that might work is severely restricting transfer rules. Bring back having to sit out. One free transfer. One year sitting out for the second transfer and two years sitting out for a third.

[basedog]

College football has sold itself to the devil. How do you support a program that has no loyalty to the University. It's sad to think I may never go to another college football game.

[WeDemBoyz]

If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to announce that they don?t care about college football anymore, does it still make a sound?