QB room

[Homedawg]

Here is what i expect. Shapen returns. MVB is asking a crazy number. He might be playing the field but he's not worth it. So he might or might not be back. If he leaves we look for qb in the portal to battle shapen w KT ready to be the qb in 26. That's rolling the dice, but what i think takes place as of today. Lebby is high on shapen, and wants him back, I'm told. I would hope at a reduced number. Don't shoot the messenger but as of today, what i see shaking out.

[Coursesuper]

Here is what i expect. Shapen returns. MVB is asking a crazy number. He might be playing the field but he's not worth it. So he might or might not be back. If he leaves we look for qb in the portal to battle shapen w KT ready to be the qb in 26. That's rolling the dice, but what i think takes place as of today. Lebby is high on shapen, and wants him back, I'm told. I would hope at a reduced number. Don't shoot the messenger but as of today, what i see shaking out.

I've heard exactly the same thing. The MVB is well above what he is worth don't you agree?

[Brobi-wan]

MVB just threw two picks in our final game, has not improved his pocket presence, and struggles to complete short yardage passes. If he is asking for crazy money, we let him go….I hope

[Homedawg]

I've heard exactly the same thing. The MVB is well above what he is worth don't you agree?

Yes. I wouldn't pay him that. But I guess that could be The wrong decison??? Idk. But I wouldn't. And they don't ask me. We shall see.

[Commercecomet24]

MVB has potential to be very very good. I wouldn't over pay for potential but thats just me. Shapen is an excellent qb if he can stay healthy and Kamario is the future.

[Really Clark?]

I would not pay MVB his asking price. I'm not sure he can get that anywhere either but more power to him if does.

[Coursesuper]

MVB has potential to be very very good. I wouldn't over pay for potential but thats just me. Shapen is an excellent qb if he can stay healthy and Kamario is the future.

Taylor can be very special if we can keep him upright.

[Cooterpoot]

I'd pay MVB to a point but we're going to suck balls next year if he leaves and you don't bring in a stud. Shapen can't stay on the field and Taylor is nowhere near ready. But hell, we should have so much money left after missing on so many, we can afford to pay MVB whatever.

[Coursesuper]

I would not pay MVB his asking price. I'm not sure he can get that anywhere either but more power to him if does.

If someone else pays that they are overpaying.

[Brobi-wan]

I would not pay MVB his asking price. I'm not sure he can get that anywhere either but more power to him if does.

Is it over 6 figs?

[msstate7]

I'll hate to lose MVB, but whatever... I barely care anymore.

[Dawgface]

I'll hate to lose MVB, but whatever... I barely care anymore.

Same. Hell….I didn’t even watch Egg bowl.

[Really Clark?]

If someone else pays that they are overpaying.

Still think a lot of it is Auburn and some other schools reaching out to every QB and promising the moon. We would be better off using that money elsewhere than over paying him.

[Really Clark?]

Is it over 6 figs?

Well over

[Coursesuper]

Agree, we need to build across he board. Have the flip the roster.

[parabrave]

6 figures is chump change now for any starter on a team.

[Bothrops]

Still think a lot of it is Auburn and some other schools reaching out to every QB and promising the moon. We would be better off using that money elsewhere than over paying him.

All Auburn needs is a quarterback to right the ship. MVB is not at a level for that task right now.

[Really Clark?]

All Auburn needs is a quarterback to right the ship. MVB is not at a level for that task right now.

Yeah but are trying to bring in more than 1 and have created some chaos in the market.

[StarkVegasSteve]

All Auburn needs is a quarterback to right the ship. MVB is not at a level for that task right now.

They are going to get Salter from Liberty. Hugh got him from TN and tried to bring him to Auburn with him.

[Cooterpoot]

We've been conditioned to be cheap. You pay whatever you have to pay if you believe MVB is the best you've got and can get. This cheap ass approach hasn't and will not work. Either bring in better or pay him.

[R2Dawg]

Still think a lot of it is Auburn and some other schools reaching out to every QB and promising the moon. We would be better off using that money elsewhere than over paying him.

Spend that money on some DL; we'll get more wins that way. Keep Parson for a plan B and roll with it. MVB ain't winning us a bunch of games by himself but may cost us a few games by himself.

[MStateDawg]

MVB just threw two picks in our final game, has not improved his pocket presence, and struggles to complete short yardage passes. If he is asking for crazy money, we let him go….I hope

His passing skills remind me of KJ Jefferson: he throws a nice deep ball but can't hit a slant to save his life. I know I'm in the minority, but I was not overly impressed by MVB this year.

[Quaoarsking]

His passing skills remind me of KJ Jefferson: he throws a nice deep ball but can't hit a slant to save his life. I know I'm in the minority, but I was not overly impressed by MVB this year.

I don't think you're even close to being in the minority on that...

[Matt3467]

Paying well over 6 figures for a QB that throws a pretty good deep ball but can't throw short passes to save his life is probably not very smart. I'd rather have a QB that can hit short to mid range with consistency but that's just me.

[Matt3467]

Off topic question but how is NIL paid out? Is it like a typical check stub and taxed like everything else or is it just cash money?

[Commercecomet24]

I would not pay MVB his asking price. I'm not sure he can get that anywhere either but more power to him if does.

Yeah the number is insane for what he is at this point. As you said if he can get it more power to him but someone will be overpaying.

[Commercecomet24]

Spend that money on some DL; we'll get more wins that way. Keep Parson for a plan B and roll with it. MVB ain't winning us a bunch of games by himself but may cost us a few games by himself.

Yes the DL is whats gonna make or break Lebby. He'll get the players on offense and his offense will work in the sec, but can he get a defense that can stop anyone, that's the question.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes the DL is whats gonna make or break Lebby. He'll get the players on offense and his offense will work in the sec, but can he get a defense that can stop anyone, that's the question.

They don't even need to stop them. Just allow less than 30/game and he'll win big. His offense works in this league (see OM 2020 and 2021 and Tennessee 2021-present)

[RezDog7]

Can we still get Arnold for two years and let MVB walk. Give Taylor time to develop. That would be my route.

[Brobi-wan]

Can we still get Arnold for two years and let MVB walk. Give Taylor time to develop. That would be my route.

I agree. That would be the better option IMO, but they don’t pay me to make the decisions. Should be interesting either way.

[tcdog70]

MVB has potential to be very very good. I wouldn't over pay for potential but thats just me. Shapen is an excellent qb if he can stay healthy and Kamario is the future.

trust me-Kamario would beat out MV. I reffed for 25 years in Public Highschool. Kamario is the best ive ever seen. He has it all. A SEC player stands out like asore thumb--He has It. I saw His uncle Omarr and he is better. size-speed-arm-and has a football head. Won't be any tip toeing at the goal line or sliding short of the first down.

[Percho]

Off topic question but how is NIL paid out? Is it like a typical check stub and taxed like everything else or is it just cash money?

Need to do away, as some as possible, the term NIL. Nothing is NIL it is just paying players.

[tcdog70]

just in case you all missed it. Last week Magee had Noxubee 34-16 with I think 5 minutes left in the game. Kamario led the Tigers back and won 36-34. It was awesome. 4th down on the 5 with seconds left KT threw nice pass for the win. he converted several 4th downs.

[KB21]

I think many are undervaluing MVB. Yes, he had some struggles with short throws and knowing when to step up into the pocket vs when to bail out of the pocket. However, he played damn good for a true freshman against an absolutely brutal schedule. You aren't going to find many QBs who can drop the downfield throws into a bucket the way he can.

I like Kamario Taylor, but let's be real. He's played high school in Mississippi. Mississippi high school coaches still believe the forward pass is something you only use when necessary. He's got a long way to go to be good at passing the football in college, but the talent is absolutely elite.

[Lord McBuckethead]

MVB just threw two picks in our final game, has not improved his pocket presence, and struggles to complete short yardage passes. If he is asking for crazy money, we let him go?.I hope

Can we just find a former Short Stop to come in and play QB? I mean seriously. I want someone that is cocky and can throw the ball.

[msudawglb]

man, we just lost 10 games. There ain't a soul on this team other than Coleman that I'd give a Mt. Dew to.

[Bothrops]

man, we just lost 10 games. There ain't a soul on this team other than Coleman that I'd give a Mt. Dew to.

Come on man, I. Smith and Stone. Ya gotta share some soda.

[Cooterpoot]

The people wanting to move on from MVB to a guy who can't stay healthy and struggles to process is laughable. Again, either you pay the man or by god you better be bringing in a stud to take his place. Either way, you're paying big money. Being cheap got us in this place and It won't get us out.

[Homedawg]

Is it over 6 figs?

yes. well over

[Homedawg]

6 figures is chump change now for any starter on a team.

no its big money for a star. and what he's asking is secqb starter money. sec starter ab starter money at a big time place

[Homedawg]

Can we still get Arnold for two years and let MVB walk. Give Taylor time to develop. That would be my route.

word i'm getting is Arnold ship has sailed. Others obviously hearing otherwise. I'll stick w what i heard and say I was wrong if we get him.

[SPMT]

man, we just lost 10 games. There ain't a soul on this team other than Coleman that I'd give a Mt. Dew to.

Certainly shouldn?t be many to fret over. QB is one but he ain?t worth 7 figures by any shot.

[Really Clark?]

The people wanting to move on from MVB to a guy who can't stay healthy and struggles to process is laughable. Again, either you pay the man or by god you better be bringing in a stud to take his place. Either way, you're paying big money. Being cheap got us in this place and It won't get us out.

We are not being cheap with MVB. We are just not going to pay an amount that's a lot more than he can get from any school just because they want it. If there is a school that will pay, more power to him but he's not worth that. There's overpaying for someone which we will be doing in the portal but there's foolish spending well above market for no good reason.

[Cooterpoot]

We are not being cheap with MVB. We are just not going to pay an amount that's a lot more than he can get from any school just because they want it. If there is a school that will pay, more power to him but he's not worth that. There's overpaying for someone which we will be doing in the portal but there's foolish spending well above market for no good reason.

Then when we don't have a QB for our shitty little football team in the fall, Lebby and this so-called Excellence Fund can kiss everyone's ass goodbye. Letting the best true FR QB we've had in my lifetime walk is as Mississippi State as it gets! We can stop bragging about those big donations because we'd rather use them on G5 talent and backups on Alabama's scout team. It's exactly like I said weeks ago, no top portal recruits are going to want to come here. Just more cheap ass shit!

[Really Clark?]

Then when we don't have a QB for our shitty little football team in the fall, Lebby and this so-called Excellence Fund can kiss everyone's ass goodbye. Letting the best true FR QB we've had in my lifetime walk is as Mississippi State as it gets! We can stop bragging about those big donations because we'd rather use them on G5 talent and backups on Alabama's scout team. It's exactly like I said weeks ago, no top portal recruits are going to want to come here. Just more cheap ass shit!

You can rant all you want but you damn well wouldn't pay the asking price either. He is not a top SEC starting QB right now, today, so he should not be paid that kind of money. I will be shocked if he gets close to that anyway and he hasn't jumped in the portal yet. That's telling of where the negotiations are at this point.

And no I'm not saying we just run it back with Shapen, a cheap back up and Taylor to just save money.

[BankerDog]

word i'm getting is Arnold ship has sailed. Others obviously hearing otherwise. I'll stick w what i heard and say I was wrong if we get him.

QB1 in Portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's about to get a little more crowded. Jackson Arnold in the portal.

[BankerDog]

Then when we don't have a QB for our shitty little football team in the fall, Lebby and this so-called Excellence Fund can kiss everyone's ass goodbye. Letting the best true FR QB we've had in my lifetime walk is as Mississippi State as it gets! We can stop bragging about those big donations because we'd rather use them on G5 talent and backups on Alabama's scout team. It's exactly like I said weeks ago, no top portal recruits are going to want to come here. Just more cheap ass shit!

You were the one who made the thread bragging about said donations?

[BankerDog]

You can rant all you want but you damn well wouldn't pay the asking price either. He is not a top SEC starting QB right now, today, so he should not be paid that kind of money. I will be shocked if he gets close to that anyway and he hasn't jumped in the portal yet. That's telling of where the negotiations are at this point.

And no I'm not saying we just run it back with Shapen, a cheap back up and Taylor to just save money.

Can?t even talk to that guy anymore. He is bipolar.

[HoopsDawg]

It's about to get a little more crowded. Jackson Arnold in the portal.

Hell yeah.

[Cooterpoot]

Arnold had worse PFF numbers than MVB. Oh, and in talking to some folks, that carrying on over some crazy number is a lie. Arnold has some family that's been a problem of sorts at OK too, so that's something else to consider.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Arnold had worse PFF numbers than MVB. Oh, and in talking to some folks, that carrying on over some crazy number is a lie

Arnold can also throw a slant. Which Van Buren cannot. He also knows when to take off and run. Van Buren does not. He also knows how to slide which....shocker here.....Van Buren does not. He's a better QB. I could give a rats ass what PFF said. They also said Will Levis and Malik Willis were can't miss prospects.

[Cooterpoot]

You were the one who made the thread bragging about said donations?

We aren't using them. We've got boosters beating down the doors trying to get rid of the defensive staff too, and crickets from Selmon.

[Cooterpoot]

Arnold can also throw a slant. Which Van Buren cannot. He also knows when to take off and run. Van Buren does not. He also knows how to slide which....shocker here.....Van Buren does not. He's a better QB. I could give a rats ass what PFF said. They also said Will Levis and Malik Willis were can't miss prospects.

You realize we scored on a slant against OM right? Didn't think so.

[Cooterpoot]

You can rant all you want but you damn well wouldn't pay the asking price either. He is not a top SEC starting QB right now, today, so he should not be paid that kind of money. I will be shocked if he gets close to that anyway and he hasn't jumped in the portal yet. That's telling of where the negotiations are at this point.

And no I'm not saying we just run it back with Shapen, a cheap back up and Taylor to just save money.

Like I said, I asked and the price isn't crazy. You guys blowing shit out of proportion again & wanting to chase a transfer with worse numbers is damn laughable.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You realize we scored on a slant against OM right? Didn't think so.

Really??? What play? Coleman ran a drag on his TD(literally ran a Leach mesh) and we scored on a QB keeper. Did we score another TD? The only slants I saw him were dirted.

[Homedawg]

Like I said, I asked and the price isn't crazy. You guys blowing shit out of proportion again & wanting to chase a transfer with worse numbers is damn laughable.
Well if we pay him 1.5 then we are ****ing stupid. pony up. And no, I'm not wanting to chase a transfer, I want us to get some solid players at every position, and not over spend for a guy who might be ok in 2 years.

[Really Clark?]

Like I said, I asked and the price isn't crazy. You guys blowing shit out of proportion again & wanting to chase a transfer with worse numbers is damn laughable.

What transfer did I say I want to chase? Show me that post I made.

Tell me what number you would pay MVB?

[StarkVegasSteve]

What transfer did I say I want to chase? Show me that post I made.

Tell me what number you would pay MVB?

I'm still wanting to know the slant we scored on in the Egg Bowl. Maybe I was more drunk than I thought and I missed a TD. Could've sworn the final was 26-14

[Cooterpoot]

What transfer did I say I want to chase? Show me that post I made.

Tell me what number you would pay MVB?

I'm paying what we're comfortable paying top true FR QB we think is the future. His number isn't what some are saying. A QB will be high anyway. Shapen sucks we going to spend on a downgrade in Arnold? People wanting to not pay money and let talent walk is why we're here. Either we keep talent or we don't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm paying what we're comfortable paying top true FR QB we think is the future. His number isn't what some are saying. A QB will be high anyway. Shapen sucks we going to spend on a downgrade in Arnold? People wanting to not pay money and let talent walk is why we're here.

Most don't think he's a downgrade. Just State fans who want to keep Van Buren, who's going to be replaced by Taylor in 26 anyways. We only need Jackson for a year and he wants to come here. Also, can you link the slant we scored on? I saw a mesh concept with a drag route

[Cooterpoot]

Most don't think he's a downgrade. Just State fans who want to keep Van Buren, who's going to be replaced by Taylor in 26 anyways. We only need Jackson for a year and he wants to come here.

Go look at the pff numbers then. It's not my metric I'm using and Arnold is a year up too. He's a Jr next year and still has worse numbers.

[confucius say]

Then when we don't have a QB for our shitty little football team in the fall, Lebby and this so-called Excellence Fund can kiss everyone's ass goodbye. Letting the best true FR QB we've had in my lifetime walk is as Mississippi State as it gets! We can stop bragging about those big donations because we'd rather use them on G5 talent and backups on Alabama's scout team. It's exactly like I said weeks ago, no top portal recruits are going to want to come here. Just more cheap ass shit!

Taylor is better than MVB today.
Save the 500-750k you'd pay MVB and go get two DL that can help you. Bring back Shapen and get a cheap veteran out of the portal and bring Taylor along. That's the money ball approach.

[Cooterpoot]

Taylor is better than MVB today.
Save the 500-750k you'd pay MVB and go get two DL that can help you. Bring back Shapen and get a cheap veteran out of the portal and bring Taylor along. That's the money ball approach.

No he's not LOL. He's not close to SEC ready.

[confucius say]

Can?t even talk to that guy anymore. He is bipolar.

Like a teenager. Drama and flip out.

[Really Clark?]

I'm paying what we're comfortable paying top true FR QB we think is the future. His number isn't what some are saying. A QB will be high anyway. Shapen sucks we going to spend on a downgrade in Arnold? People wanting to not pay money and let talent walk is why we're here. Either we keep talent or we don't.

So you are fine paying him well over $1 MIL?

I didn't see you linking where I said anything about chasing transfers.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Go look at the pff numbers then. It's not my metric I'm using and Arnold is a year up too. He's a Jr next year and still has worse numbers.

Again I have told you what I think of PFF. Now please show me the slant we scored on!!!! Psstt......it was a drag. I just went back and watched it again. Literally Mike Leach mesh

[Cooterpoot]

Same ole loser ass old shit over here. Y'all don't care about football. Hell, most of you would rather whip it to Lemonis and baseball. That's the problem.
I'm out let this place whither and die

[confucius say]

Really??? What play? Coleman ran a drag on his TD(literally ran a Leach mesh) and we scored on a QB keeper. Did we score another TD? The only slants I saw him were dirted.

To be fair, they weren't all dirted. One was intercepted....

[confucius say]

I'm paying what we're comfortable paying top true FR QB we think is the future. His number isn't what some are saying. A QB will be high anyway. Shapen sucks we going to spend on a downgrade in Arnold? People wanting to not pay money and let talent walk is why we're here. Either we keep talent or we don't.

Who said we think he is the future?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Same ole loser ass old shit over here. Y'all don't care about football. Hell, most of you would rather whip it to Lemonis and baseball. That's the problem.
I'm out let this place whither and die

Damn....all I wanted was a video of the slant we scored on. Didn't think it'd make the guy leave.

[HoopsDawg]

The problem is none of us can answer that question bc we are operating on incomplete information. What is our budget/salary cap for 2025? How much has already been promised/allocated. What is the going rate in the SEC for a starting QB? Backup QB. We would need all of those answers to even begin to know how much to pay MVB or anyone for that matter.

I would run us like an NFL team with a 53 man NIL roster and the other 50 guys on scholarships only. So let's say we have 10 million for 53 guys. I sure as hell could field a competitive team.

[StarkVegasSteve]

To be fair, they weren't all dirted. One was intercepted....

You're right. I forgot about that one.

[HoopsDawg]

Same ole loser ass old shit over here. Y'all don't care about football. Hell, most of you would rather whip it to Lemonis and baseball. That's the problem.
I'm out let this place whither and die

Cooterpoot, don't be such a pu$$y

[Really Clark?]

Damn....all I wanted was a video of the slant we scored on. Didn't think it'd make the guy leave.

Cooter's cooter has gotten sandy lately

[Coursesuper]

Taylor is better than MVB today.
Save the 500-750k you'd pay MVB and go get two DL that can help you. Bring back Shapen and get a cheap veteran out of the portal and bring Taylor along. That's the money ball approach.

No he's not there yet, he has all the tools and more but he's raw.

[BankerDog]

Same ole loser ass old shit over here. Y'all don't care about football. Hell, most of you would rather whip it to Lemonis and baseball. That's the problem.
I'm out let this place whither and die

We will see you on SPS arguing with GOAT and trying to see who the biggest loser of a poster we have in our fanbase.

All the guys were saying was don?t overpay for a freshman QB. You know the one who threw the slant at the laces on 4&3 to Mosley against Mizzo driving late?

[BankerDog]

The problem is none of us can answer that question bc we are operating on incomplete information. What is our budget/salary cap for 2025? How much has already been promised/allocated. What is the going rate in the SEC for a starting QB? Backup QB. We would need all of those answers to even begin to know how much to pay MVB or anyone for that matter.

I would run us like an NFL team with a 53 man NIL roster and the other 50 guys on scholarships only. So let's say we have 10 million for 53 guys. I sure as hell could field a competitive team.

Back ups with no NFL future cost about $250k-$300k. Rogers got about $500k if not more from Washington. We told Shapen he could come back but it?d be less than the $750K he got last year. True difference makers at DL-$1MM and up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The problem is none of us can answer that question bc we are operating on incomplete information. What is our budget/salary cap for 2025? How much has already been promised/allocated. What is the going rate in the SEC for a starting QB? Backup QB. We would need all of those answers to even begin to know how much to pay MVB or anyone for that matter.

I would run us like an NFL team with a 53 man NIL roster and the other 50 guys on scholarships only. So let's say we have 10 million for 53 guys. I sure as hell could field a competitive team.

This is just info I'm piecing together so take it for what it's worth: We have somewhere between 18-20 million for this year's team. Out of that, I would say 30-35% of it has been allocated.

Going rate for an SEC QB is somewhere between 550-1.3. Now the good news with QBs is they have marketability outside of just State Excellence Fund so they can go out and procure NIL deals separate of the Fund. Backup, if you want a credible one is probably 125-375. We can get away with paying Arnold on the lower end because of his relationship with Lebby. Doesn't mean that's what we need to do but we could get away with it. This is a little different than Gabriel because Gabriel was THE QB out of the portal. Arnold won't be THE QB.

[confucius say]

No he's not there yet, he has all the tools and more but he's raw.

So is MVB.
Except he doesn't have all the tools that Taylor has.

[Johnson85]

We've been conditioned to be cheap. You pay whatever you have to pay if you believe MVB is the best you've got and can get. This cheap ass approach hasn't and will not work. Either bring in better or pay him.

I thought MVB looked good as a true freshman and want to keep him. But we have major, major holes all across the team. I don't know what he's asking, but back when I paid some attention to the NFL, it seemed the perennial losers were always using top picks on "franchise QBs" and putting them in positions where they couldn't win when what they shoudl have been doing was building their team back to respectability and hoping to get lucky with a lower round QB and/or attracting one through free agency by being able to credibly say they were a QB away from competing.

We're going to have to overpay for a lot of positions, and MVB seems like a relatively good one to overpay for, but we need so many players on defense, I could see it making sense to let someone else overpay, us roll the dice with an injury prone QB next year and have all our eggs in the Taylor basket. Could blow up in our face, but we really, really need a respectable showing next year.

[confucius say]

This is just info I'm piecing together so take it for what it's worth: We have somewhere between 18-20 million for this year's team. Out of that, I would say 30-35% of it has been allocated.

Going rate for an SEC QB is somewhere between 550-1.3. Now the good news with QBs is they have marketability outside of just State Excellence Fund so they can go out and procure NIL deals separate of the Fund. Backup, if you want a credible one is probably 125-375. We can get away with paying Arnold on the lower end because of his relationship with Lebby. Doesn't mean that's what we need to do but we could get away with it. This is a little different than Gabriel because Gabriel was THE QB out of the portal. Arnold won't be THE QB.

Are you counting the revenue sharing money that comes from the House settlement starting July 1? Or just money donated from fans?

The revenue sharing money will kick in this summer. That will be 21 million but not all of that is football. About 14 million is I believe.
We have to float it until then.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Are you counting the revenue sharing money that comes from the House settlement starting July 1? Or just money donated from fans?

The revenue sharing money will kick in this summer. That will be 21 million but not all of that is football. About 14 million is I believe.
We have to float it until then.

I'm not operating on the basis that "that" money will be available until July 1. So this is just money donated.

[Johnson85]

I think many are undervaluing MVB. Yes, he had some struggles with short throws and knowing when to step up into the pocket vs when to bail out of the pocket. However, he played damn good for a true freshman against an absolutely brutal schedule. You aren't going to find many QBs who can drop the downfield throws into a bucket the way he can.

I like Kamario Taylor, but let's be real. He's played high school in Mississippi. Mississippi high school coaches still believe the forward pass is something you only use when necessary. He's got a long way to go to be good at passing the football in college, but the talent is absolutely elite.

That is such a huge skill for us when we are going to be outtalented at a lot of positions.

Like you, I thought he looked good for a true freshman. Certainly if he comes back the same player next year, that's not good enough, but presumably he's going to improve some. Hopefully he will make a big jump because the offseason will be much more productive with him having been thrown in the fire this year.

[HancockCountyDog]

We can?t pay MVB 7 figures, pay Shapen about 60-80% of that, and then try and field a competitive team.

Personally I would rather have shapen, a Parson like backup and KT waiting in the wings for 2026.

I would rather spend on defense on players with more than one year of eligibility and get through next year and the schedule from hell and focus on 2026 with KT.

I just didn?t think MVB was that great, solid for a freshman, but he will have a rude awakening in the portal when he ends up making 200k at Maryland.

[Brobi-wan]

We can?t pay MVB 7 figures, pay Shapen about 60-80% of that, and then try and field a competitive team.

Personally I would rather have shapen, a Parson like backup and KT waiting in the wings for 2026.

I would rather spend on defense on players with more than one year of eligibility and get through next year and the schedule from hell and focus on 2026 with KT.

I just didn?t think MVB was that great, solid for a freshman, but he will have a rude awakening in the portal when he ends up making 200k at Maryland.

Yeah, we’re playing the long game here. We have to. There’s not another option. If MVB WAS great we would’ve beaten OM. We should never have been in that game, but without the picks, that game could look a lot different. We lost by 12. Not worth 7 figs. 750k at most and tell him you give him a raise if he wins the starting job. Period.

[parabrave]

6 figures is chump change now for any starter on a team.

[Homedawg]

Go look at the pff numbers then. It's not my metric I'm using and Arnold is a year up too. He's a Jr next year and still has worse numbers.

I would keep MVB over Arnold as well. But thats me

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would keep MVB over Arnold as well. But thats me

Not for what he's asking you wouldn't. It's overpaying by mid 6 figures.

[HoopsDawg]

I would keep MVB over Arnold as well. But thats me

I would go Arnold-Shapen-Taylor. Arnold for 2 years. Shapen for insurance. Taylor for the future.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would go Arnold-Shapen-Taylor. Arnold for 2 years. Shapen for insurance. Taylor for the future.

Well you'd need to go Arnold-Shapen/transfer-Taylor for this year and then Arnold-Taylor-Transfer for next.

[HoopsDawg]

Well you'd need to go Arnold-Shapen/transfer-Taylor for this year and then Arnold-Taylor-Transfer for next.

Yeah, didn't feel it necessary to post a 4 deep at QB

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, didn't feel it necessary to post a 4 deep at QB

Oh I just meant that Shapen is out of eligibility after next year....I think. Although there's a Miami guy that's on like year 9

[gtowndawg]

I'm in the boat you gamble on ONE good QB, pray he stays healthy and spend the rest on other needs. If we are going to have any prayer to be half way decent next year it's going to be on a gamble and hope it works out.

[HRTFXR]

Paying well over 6 figures for a QB that throws a pretty good deep ball but can't throw short passes to save his life is probably not very smart. I'd rather have a QB that can hit short to mid range with consistency but that's just me.

Not stirring the pot, but you just described Will Rogers (who I was not a huge fan of). ��

[FISHDAWG]

Still think a lot of it is Auburn and some other schools reaching out to every QB and promising the moon. We would be better off using that money elsewhere than over paying him.

Yep ... a really good offensive line can make an average QB better while also improving the running game

[MoreCowbell]

Shapen sucks. I do not think it was a coincidence the team started to play better as soon as he we went down. Night and day.

I thought we had plenty of money and we were not poor, what happened?

We almost need to pay MVB so that we do not get the reputation of the school who will not play ball. No kid would want to come here especially a young talented QB. This will just further the stigma that we are not serious.

[MoreCowbell]

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[HancockCountyDog]

We almost need to pay MVB so that we do not get the reputation of the school who will not play ball. No kid would want to come here especially a young talented QB.

We just signed our young talented QB. Look, i like MVB, but if he wants the type of money people are claiming, I would rather pay Arnold. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought MVB got worse as the season went on.

Bottom line is that if Lebby is going after Arnold, that tells me that he prefers Arnold over MVB and at this point I have to trust he is making the right evaluation.

[MoreCowbell]

We just signed our young talented QB. Look, i like MVB, but if he wants the type of money people are claiming, I would rather pay Arnold. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought MVB got worse as the season went on.

Bottom line is that if Lebby is going after Arnold, that tells me that he prefers Arnold over MVB and at this point I have to trust he is making the right evaluation.

You very well could be right but we are not winning anything of significance next year anyways. I would build for 2026/2027 and having a QB with 3/4 years of starting experience by that point would be ideal. I would expect MVB to get much better. I mean look at the teams he played this year.

[MoreCowbell]

We've been conditioned to be cheap. You pay whatever you have to pay if you believe MVB is the best you've got and can get. This cheap ass approach hasn't and will not work. Either bring in better or pay him.

Agree

[MoreCowbell]

Here is what i expect. Shapen returns. MVB is asking a crazy number. He might be playing the field but he's not worth it. So he might or might not be back. If he leaves we look for qb in the portal to battle shapen w KT ready to be the qb in 26. That's rolling the dice, but what i think takes place as of today. Lebby is high on shapen, and wants him back, I'm told. I would hope at a reduced number. Don't shoot the messenger but as of today, what i see shaking out.

Curious, Is MVB asking price for next year only or are these asking prices for total career here? Curious how this works

[MoreCowbell]

I think many are undervaluing MVB. Yes, he had some struggles with short throws and knowing when to step up into the pocket vs when to bail out of the pocket. However, he played damn good for a true freshman against an absolutely brutal schedule. You aren't going to find many QBs who can drop the downfield throws into a bucket the way he can.

I like Kamario Taylor, but let's be real. He's played high school in Mississippi. Mississippi high school coaches still believe the forward pass is something you only use when necessary. He's got a long way to go to be good at passing the football in college, but the talent is absolutely elite.

Thank you. And another point, as far as fan buy-in it might be a good investment to have a 4 year QB starter as the face of your school/franchise. I cannot be the only one who is reminded of young Dak when analyzing MVB. Negotiate him down and sell the kid on staying here and how we can support his career moving forward. That is the smart thing to do.

Then Kamario takes over for 3 years after. You have a roadmap.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Curious, Is MVB asking price for next year only or are these asking prices for total career here? Curious how this works

Most of them are 1 year deals and you renegotiate. Sometimes you can lock kids up for multiple years, see Hubbard in basketball, but it's not very common. Even the Underwood kid at Michigan is only on a one year deal. They just added the payments together to get to the number they got to, I think 10.5 mil.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thank you. And another point, as far as fan buy-in it might be a good investment to have a 4 year QB starter as the face of your school/franchise. I cannot be the only one who is reminded of young Dak when analyzing MVB. Negotiate him down and sell the kid on staying here and how we can support his career moving forward. That is the smart thing to do.

Then Kamario takes over for 3 years after. You have a roadmap.

Or......you go get Jackson Arnold. Kamario is the future. Everyone, including Van Buren knows that. Don't overpay now when he probably wouldn't be the starter in 26.

[RezDog7]

Or......you go get Jackson Arnold. Kamario is the future. Everyone, including Van Buren knows that. Don't overpay now when he probably wouldn't be the starter in 26.

This is the way.

[Bdawg]

We've been conditioned to be cheap. You pay whatever you have to pay if you believe MVB is the best you've got and can get. This cheap ass approach hasn't and will not work. Either bring in better or pay him.

Agree with your last sentence. Try to bargain him down some and pay him or bring in another. Thought we were all geared to overpay to get right again??

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agree with your last sentence. Try to bargain him down some and pay him or bring in another. Thought we were all geared to overpay to get right again??

We're bringing in better.

[Bdawg]

We're bringing in better.

Good deal. I would rather overpay for some good DL though!!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good deal. I would rather overpay for some good DL though!!!

Well then you'll get your wish because we're going to have to overpay!! A new DL coach will help some though. That's where our biggest issue is.

[Walkerhill]

Most of them are 1 year deals and you renegotiate. Sometimes you can lock kids up for multiple years, see Hubbard in basketball, but it's not very common. Even the Underwood kid at Michigan is only on a one year deal. They just added the payments together to get to the number they got to, I think 10.5 mil.

It stretches credulity that Michigan would hand a freshman $10M+ to show up with no future commitment. That deal was reported as a 4-year deal.

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/nil-news/michigan-wolverines-received-nil-funding-from-billionaire-to-land-bryce-underwood

[Homedawg]

Not for what he's asking you wouldn't. It's overpaying by mid 6 figures.

oh i agree w that, see above. I know what mvb is asking, no clue on Arnold, but I'm sure Arnold is asking too much as well.

[Homedawg]

Curious, Is MVB asking price for next year only or are these asking prices for total career here? Curious how this works

next year

[StarkVegasSteve]

oh i agree w that, see above. I know what mvb is asking, no clue on Arnold, but I'm sure Arnold is asking too much as well.

He's not. He wants to be here. This is going to be a pretty quick transfer. I'd expect him in the boat no later than next weekend out of all likelihood. He knows he can get by on 650 and we can use the other 650 that we would've had to pay a top tier QB to get a couple of really solid O Lineman. MVB wants almost 7 figures.

[Bdawg]

Well then you'll get your wish because we're going to have to overpay!! A new DL coach will help some though. That's where our biggest issue is.

Yep. Why are we dragging our feet on Turner?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep. Why are we dragging our feet on Turner?

We're not. He doesn't have a contract after January 31. Why would we fire him and have to pay severance. Just let the contract expire.

[bigbub50]

We're not. He doesn't have a contract after January 31. Why would we fire him and have to pay severance. Just let the contract expire.

My only concern with this strategy is, won’t the potential transfers want to meet their next coach while the portal is in swing?

[StarkVegasSteve]

My only concern with this strategy is, won’t the potential transfers want to meet their next coach while the portal is in swing?

The doesn't mean we can't hire a new DL coach in the meantime. We're not going to sit on our hands until February 1 and then bring in someone. These guys will have a good idea who their position coach is when they come in for visits starting next week.

[bigbub50]

The doesn't mean we can't hire a new DL coach in the meantime. We're not going to sit on our hands until February 1 and then bring in someone. These guys will have a good idea who their position coach is when they come in for visits starting next week.

I really hope the change is made for DL coach. My opinion outside looking in is that the recruiting game has passed Turner by. He is old school. We have missed on so may d lineman. A change must be made here. I’m in the minority, but I’m okay giving hutzler another year. I am not okay with keeping turner. His recruiting has been horrendous.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I really hope the change is made for DL coach. My opinion outside looking in is that the recruiting game has passed Turner by. He is old school. We have missed on so may d lineman. A change must be made here. I’m in the minority, but I’m okay giving hutzler another year. I am not okay with keeping turner. His recruiting has been horrendous.

And you would be correct. That's the opinion of the staff as well. Certain boosters sold Selmon and Lebby, just like they did Arnett and co, on Turner's ability to recruit MS talent...........

[Really Clark?]

And you would be correct. That's the opinion of the staff as well. Certain boosters sold Selmon and Lebby, just like they did Arnett and co, on Turner's ability to recruit MS talent...........

Bump got an extra year, DT didn't. That tells you how uncertain his position was going into the year. He needed to have a good year on the recruiting trail. Bump did what he was suppose to do. Showed how hungry he is and worked the trail hard. Did well coaching his group too. DT just didn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bump got an extra year, DT didn't. That tells you how uncertain his position was going into the year. He needed to have a good year on the recruiting trail. Bump did what he was suppose to do. Showed how hungry he is and worked the trail hard. Did well coaching his group too. DT just didn't.

Correct. Lebby gave some leeway to guys that he had no relationship with but boosters talked them up. Bumphis ran with his opportunity and made the most of it. Turner kicked his feet up on the desk like he did with the last staff and did not do crap.

[confucius say]

Any thoughts on who the new DL coach will be?

[chef dixon]

If MVB is our starter next year and plays well there's no way in hell we don't try to keep him for year 3. You don't overpay just for next year if you have no plans for him in 2026

[gtowndawg]

Any thoughts on who the new DL coach will be?

Have I missed something? Please tell me I've missed something.

[Brobi-wan]

I really hope the change is made for DL coach. My opinion outside looking in is that the recruiting game has passed Turner by. He is old school. We have missed on so may d lineman. A change must be made here. I?m in the minority, but I?m okay giving hutzler another year. I am not okay with keeping turner. His recruiting has been horrendous.

I can live with Hutz another year after pulling through some of those recruits. Besides, unless the defense turns into a top 25 defense next year?..it doesn?t really matter who is calling the plays most likely. They?ll be better. Not good enough for us to win 8-9. If he?s awful again his buyout is less and you fire him then. Ole Miss had a terrible defense not all that long ago and now it?s elite. We can get back with someone else if Hutz cannot do it.

[Percho]

https://x.com/ParkerBillyPuc1/status/1863348920484508018

[KB21]

Correct. Lebby gave some leeway to guys that he had no relationship with but boosters talked them up. Bumphis ran with his opportunity and made the most of it. Turner kicked his feet up on the desk like he did with the last staff and did not do crap.

This is why you don't hire older coaches who are set in their ways just for experience.

[StarkVegasSteve]

https://x.com/ParkerBillyPuc1/status/1863348920484508018

I am not going to run the kid down because I think he throws a good ball, but he does not have the arm talent or athleticism of Arnold and he does not have the physical gifts of Kamario. And that is not to say that he does not throw a good ball or that he cannot rip it because he can. But there is a difference in his ball and Jackson Arnold. I mean go watch Arnold when he was at Denton Guyer. That tape is incredible. I mean effortless 50 yd throws.

[Commercecomet24]

Bump got an extra year, DT didn't. That tells you how uncertain his position was going into the year. He needed to have a good year on the recruiting trail. Bump did what he was suppose to do. Showed how hungry he is and worked the trail hard. Did well coaching his group too. DT just didn't.

100%! Bump was hungry, Turner not so much.

[confucius say]

I am not going to run the kid down because I think he throws a good ball, but he does not have the arm talent or athleticism of Arnold and he does not have the physical gifts of Kamario. And that is not to say that he does not throw a good ball or that he cannot rip it because he can. But there is a difference in his ball and Jackson Arnold. I mean go watch Arnold when he was at Denton Guyer. That tape is incredible. I mean effortless 50 yd throws.

I think you're right.
The knock on Arnold this year from guys like Cubelic was that he cannot process information or make decisions. Maybe that was coming from Seth littrell and is not true. Who knows.

[BigDawg81]

I?m for Arnold coming to State and people asking me why because he wasn?t good.
My answer is that he is obviously a talented guy as he was a 5 star quarterback and I think number 10 overall. I also believe that system and coaching matters. Lebby recruited him and Lebby is a great QB coach and his system works. I think Arnold will be a drastically different under Lebby.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think you're right.
The knock on Arnold this year from guys like Cubelic was that he cannot process information or make decisions. Maybe that was coming from Seth littrell and is not true. Who knows.

He ran the Veer and Shoot in HS. Lebby saw that and targeted him to be his QB at OU. Lebby gets the State job and Jackson wanted to transfer but Venables and Co talked to Jackson and his dad and promised them that they'd basically run the same offense with Littrell that they did with Lebby. That did not happen. Arnold is a veer and shoot QB.

[confucius say]

Watched highlights from Arnold from 2023 and 2024. Better runner than I realized. Much better than MVB.
Can tell all the arm talent is there but it looked like he struggled to know where to go with the ball. Coaching can help that of course.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Watched highlights from Arnold from 2023 and 2024. Better runner than I realized. Much better than MVB.
Can tell all the arm talent is there but it looked like he struggled to know where to go with the ball. Coaching can help that of course.

Playing in a system that you know also helps with that.

[HancockCountyDog]

Watched highlights from Arnold from 2023 and 2024. Better runner than I realized. Much better than MVB.
Can tell all the arm talent is there but it looked like he struggled to know where to go with the ball. Coaching can help that of course.

Arnold is a very good runner at QB.

Lebby wants to run a Corral type offense with a running QB. Shapen just can't stay healthy, MVB isn't big enough, - Arnold would let him run what he wants.

[paverdog]

When the earliest we might know if Arnold is our man or not?

[BigDawg81]

When the earliest we might know if Arnold is our man or not?
It was said here that it will be next Friday at the latest. A commitment to State too.

[paverdog]

I'm all in for Arnold being our QB. He knows the system and likes Lebby. This offence will jell to perfection with him.

[confucius say]

When does the portal officially open?

[StarkVegasSteve]

When does the portal officially open?

Monday

[BigDawg81]

Just heard that State is working with MVB and MVB price is 900K. It is close of what was said here.

[civildawg]

Just heard that State is working with MVB and MVB price is 900K. It is close of what was said here.

If true, I would go negotiate with Arnold