Sunday Morning QB- Thank Goodness It's Over Edition

[Coach34]

1. Little34 is trying to mess up my cook today with a damn basketball game in the middle of the day. Still gonna do a shrimp/crab/ and corn bisque. It's getting to be soup weather.

2. Well another Egg Bowl loss ending a very ugly season. 2 and ****ing 10. Wow. We are at the 5 points of hell from hiring Leach. His lack of recruiting, followed by his unfortunate passing, sprinkled in with an interim HC that did us no favors, and now a 1st year HC and DC that underwhelmed to say the least. There is no other grade for this season than F. Poor choice in a transfer QB that has stayed hurt his whole career. Some poor choices on portal D's. Gameplans that were obviously too involved in the 1st half of the season. The silver lining is that the team did in fact play hard all the way to the end and that is something to be proud of.

3. The EB was actually one of the staff's better games from a coaching standpoint. The defensive plan was damn good and kept the Klansmen off balance. Force them to RTGDF and see if they would be patient enough to do it or force themselves into mistakes. To Lame Kitten's credit, they stayed pretty patient yesterday. The D also did a great job of giving the run looks and then stemming into a heavier box. Still lots of questions on Hutzler but his gameplan yesterday was great.

4. Our gameplan on O wasnt bad either. Run wide as much as possible because there's not much to be had inside against the Confederates. Take some deep shots. Get the ball out of VB's hands. They got us taking too long a couple of times on PA- but that happens.

5. All is not roses tho. Lebbo's playcalling on the goalline was trash. 1st and goal at the 1 and we dont score. I know the "check with me" shit can help you offensively but we are leaving linemen in their stances too long at times- especially on the road. I would have rather watched 4 straight QB sneaks than what we did. He needs to get a goalline plan this offseason. Good offenses have that. We are just calling randem plays inside the 10.

6. Wonder what the plan is for QB in 2025? Only an idiot woud pay Shapen and bring him back to get hurt again. We have a Soph QB heading into next season with a quality QB recruit coming to campus. Develop VB and bring in a solid QB to come in and be insurance at worst and take the job at best imo. Just dont want to see a 2-headed QB next year. Parson needs to go to Southern Miss or Troy. He is not going to play here.

7. Better recruit the trenches like a madman. Get some grain fed beef from the Midwest on the OL and some Southern grown animals from the South on the DL. Kentucky is down this year but Stoops has done a great job there thru the years. How? Recruits the trenches very well. Has to be done.

8. Need to hold on to some of these WR's. I'll be surprised if 3 stays tho. I bet he declares or goes high dolla ho at a blueblood.

9. We are seeing the trickle down of NIL in college football. The bluebloods arent able to stockpile talent as they used to. These guys are getting paid to go play somewhere else instead of sit and wait their turn. I'm skeptical we can meet the demand of NIL in the coming years. We may for 1 year- but not for a 5 year period when the prices keep going up. Football remains the straw that stirs the drink- but it's not the "moneymaker" anymore. TV is the moneymaker. Some will disagree for sure or simply not like this- but we have a tough road ahead in football. The poorest school in the SEC in the poorest state in the US will have to really be smart and use the money wisely in recruiting. It's a much easier road in basketball and baseball. And we all know this is true.

10. GTHOM

HailState

[msstate7]

Bring MVB back and upgrade the LOS. I'm a huge MVB fan.

[Tater]

Yesterday (or any game against Colonel BearShark) shouldn't be a litmus for a DC ever again. Lane Kiffin's offense is designed to have the QB do one of three things. Stare down the main target for 3 seconds. If it's covered, dump to checkdown. If that's covered, tuck it and run.

There was maybe two plays yesterday that Dart didn't follow that mold. One was a great 3rd down on the run throw. Dart didn't take the 2014-2015 Dak leap from runner with an arm to a QB. As long as Kiffin has that style, anyone can scheme up to stop a QB who eventually gets impatient.

Otherwise, we need to look at a bit of the indiana blueprint. I'd go raid the Ohio Bobcats defense like Indiana raided JMU. Sucks this is what football is, but it worked didn't it?

Agree on MVB and having someone other than Shapen challenge for the job. He's a practice squad QB, he's not going to be able to play the physical game unfortunately. Seems like a good kid but some of us are just brittle. Hate it for him.

Coleman is a hired gun. He's going to go make bank. Good luck to him and no ill will if he leaves. We should spend money elsewhere. He's a luxury we can "recreate in the aggregate" if we moneyball it.

Keep AB away from public eye. Keep the clean program. I'm happy to be wrong there. Bout the only thing I ate crow on about this hire this year, so I'll own that.

Anything less than a bowl game next year is a firing imo. Turnarounds happen in one season now. Just go raid a G5 team and their coach. That should be the blueprint. (Idc how difficult the schedule still looks, start showing results or get someone in who can.)

[Bothrops]

Yesterday (or any game against Colonel BearShark) shouldn't be a litmus for a DC ever again. Lane Kiffin's offense is designed to have the QB do one of three things. Stare down the main target for 3 seconds. If it's covered, dump to checkdown. If that's covered, tuck it and run.

There was maybe two plays yesterday that Dart didn't follow that mold. One was a great 3rd down on the run throw. Dart didn't take the 2014-2015 Dak leap from runner with an arm to a QB. As long as Kiffin has that style, anyone can scheme up to stop a QB who eventually gets impatient.

Otherwise, we need to look at a bit of the indiana blueprint. I'd go raid the Ohio Bobcats defense like Indiana raided JMU. Sucks this is what football is, but it worked didn't it?

Agree on MVB and having someone other than Shapen challenge for the job. He's a practice squad QB, he's not going to be able to play the physical game unfortunately. Seems like a good kid but some of us are just brittle. Hate it for him.

Coleman is a hired gun. He's going to go make bank. Good luck to him and no ill will if he leaves. We should spend money elsewhere. He's a luxury we can "recreate in the aggregate" if we moneyball it.

Keep AB away from public eye. Keep the clean program. I'm happy to be wrong there. Bout the only thing I ate crow on about this hire this year, so I'll own that.

Anything less than a bowl game next year is a firing imo. Turnarounds happen in one season now. Just go raid a G5 team and their coach. That should be the blueprint. (Idc how difficult the schedule still looks, start showing results or get someone in who can.)

Without a receiver like Coleman, we have no chance to win 3 or 4 of our home games next year. Got to spend major bucks and try to get another one. Big bucks.

[Tater]

Without a receiver like Coleman, we have no chance to win 3 or 4 of our home games next year. Got to spend major bucks and try to get another one. Big bucks.

I disagree. Having him is a guy to take you from 6 to 9 wins. He's not a guy who can take you from 2 to 6 wins. Evidence: this year. I'd rather spend his money on 3 OL/DL. Build up the trenches and give ourself a potentially bowl eligible team. Then spend on guys like Booth/Coleman/etc. in the years that line up to have 9+ wins. Next year is hard capped at like 7-8 wins without major changes. I'd rather try to spend smartly to raise the floor with a strong foundation than spending on game breakers who are the difference in winning/losing a close Tennessee game. We don't get a close Tennessee game without the floor raiser so it's pointless.

Example: Coleman did enough to make us look competitive early on against OM. Without the line depth, we got out worked eventually and he was taken away. If we can pull off spending on both, great. But I want the line depth. Then yesterday probably goes differently. We don't score the first two TDs that we did. OM doesn't break the long run. OM doesn't break through late for a score. We score a TD on the goal line stand and we pick up a FG somewhere during the game moving the ball a bit better in the run game. We lose 14-10. With both more linemen and coleman, we win 24-14. That's how I see it, if it makes sense.

[Coach34]

Harrell
Whittemore
and probably Coleman out the door so far

[Tater]

Harrell
Whittemore
and probably Coleman out the door so far
Craver too from what the rumors are.

[Bothrops]

We aren't going to any receivers left lol. This portal/NIL shit just isn't going to help us in the W column. Can't have a complete team for one season lol

[tcdog70]

Bring MVB back and upgrade the LOS. I'm a huge MVB fan.

Kamario will put him on the bench

[Really Clark?]

Kamario will put him on the bench

I love Kamario's upside but he is more raw than MVB was coming in. That would be a huge ask to develop that quickly to beat him out.

[Activated Alpha]

Off topic, but do we have any rumors regarding Kiffen?

[Coach34]

Kamario will put him on the bench

unlikely in 2025

[Coach34]

Off topic, but do we have any rumors regarding Kiffen?

No job coming open that would warrant him leaving

[tcdog70]

unlikely in 2025

Then you aren’t smart as I thought

[tcdog70]

I love Kamario's upside but he is more raw than MVB was coming in. That would be a huge ask to develop that quickly to beat him out.

He would have scored from the 1 no doubt. Those missed deep balls that Coleman was wide open would have been six. Kamario has much better pocket presence.he wouldn’t be waving the ball around like a loaf of bread.

[Really Clark?]

He would have scored from the 1 no doubt. Those missed deep balls that Coleman was wide open would have been six. Kamario has much better pocket presence.he wouldn’t be waving the ball around like a loaf of bread.

We will find out real soon. Just don't come on here lambasting the staff when he doesn't start next year because he's not ready.

[Coursesuper]

Kamario will put him on the bench

He?s the future but he?s not ready for 25.

[Coach34]

Then you aren’t smart as I thought

I knowwwwwwww. He hits 90 mph fastballs with his dick and shoots 3's with his eyes closed.

90% of college QB's are not ready to start as a true freshman. As with VB- true freshmen do some good things along with some bad things. However we saw that VB wasnt ready to start this season. VB will improve alot with offseason work and Spring practice. Watching film with the staff- things our recruit wont be doing. Our recruit should be a good one but he will still be a true freshman.

[MoreCowbell]

Agree on all. We will have to pick and choose which years to spend $. I would build toward and spend on 2026. Goal should be 6/7 wins that year. Then repeat. Identify players to keep along the way. Only way we will be able to do it.

[Tater]

No job coming open that would warrant him leaving

Ohio State / NFL OC jobs could be appealing. Beating UGA this year gets him considered for the Ohio State job.

I think he stays put though.

[Coach34]

Day shit the bed today but Ohio State is not firing an 11-1 HC this season

[DEDawg]

Day shit the bed today but Ohio State is not firing an 11-1 HC this season

10-2, but it isnt this years record. Losing to Michigan 4x could absolutely do him in at a place like that. I would put it at 20% but things like that can quickly pick up momentum if the right money starts pushing

[msstate7]

Day shit the bed today but Ohio State is not firing an 11-1 HC this season

10-2. I think he needs a playoff win to secure job security, which is insane.

[Pancho]

he has much trouble with meechigan

[MoreCowbell]

If OHst loses round 1 they should fire Day and hire Vrabel. He would kill it there. Harbaugh 2.0

[msstate7]

If OHst loses round 1 they should fire Day and hire Vrabel. He would kill it there. Harbaugh 2.0

Vrabel coming to my saints, hopefully

[Coach34]

10-2. I think he needs a playoff win to secure job security, which is insane.

oh yeah the Oregon loss. He will get some mercy for losing his starting QB. They need to Fla State them from the playoff if he is done for the season

[msstate7]

oh yeah the Oregon loss. He will get some mercy for losing his starting QB. They need to Fla State them from the playoff if he is done for the season

No, we don't want another spot open

[Coach34]

No, we don't want another spot open

Mississippi is not making the playoff. Their 15MM built them a team headed to a nice bowl game likely in Fla

[Coursesuper]

Mississippi is not making the playoff. Their 15MM built them a team headed to a nice bowl game likely in Fla

Yep

[EdwardDrayton]

Mississippi is not making the playoff. Their 15MM built them a team headed to a nice bowl game likely in Fla

And it not once has failed to put a big $hit-eating grin on my face.

[Saltydog]

Lol, uh not any time soon. . . . . .He's athletic as hell but he's still very raw and greener than a grasshopper's a'hole. . . . .

[Tater]

Mississippi is not making the playoff. Their 15MM built them a team headed to a nice bowl game likely in Fla

The AP put Miami in between SCar and OM as a buffer.

Media mouth pieces have pitched SCar as the 3-Loss SEC team to put in. It's gonna be Bama as that 12th spot and SCar on deck.

[tcdog70]

I knowwwwwwww. He hits 90 mph fastballs with his dick and shoots 3's with his eyes closed.

90% of college QB's are not ready to start as a true freshman. As with VB- true freshmen do some good things along with some bad things. However we saw that VB wasnt ready to start this season. VB will improve alot with offseason work and Spring practice. Watching film with the staff- things our recruit wont be doing. Our recruit should be a good one but he will still be a true freshman.

I'm saying he is better than MV right now. Now will he make freshman mistakes-sure. he has better pocket presence, he protects the ball, his arm is stronger and more accurate, he is faster and a stronger runner. he has IT

[Johnson85]

Agree on all. We will have to pick and choose which years to spend $. I would build toward and spend on 2026. Goal should be 6/7 wins that year. Then repeat. Identify players to keep along the way. Only way we will be able to do it.

Do recruits get as many free transfers as they want now? At one point hadn't they proposed rules that gave one free transfer and then you had to sit out? Or did the different litigation scrap that?

If recruits only got one free transfer, and we could focus on getting some rising sophomores and juniors, we could build a base and then spend money on high profile 1 and done transfers when we were in position to have a good year. But if there are unlimited transfers, I'm not sure how we ever have enough of a team coming back to know that we should invest more in new players.